From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #151 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 151 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: May 24 [les@jmdl.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re:Kay's playing in NYC tomorrow (+ small diatribe) [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: ani on bob & joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Warren, Jack, and Sam ["Janine Sherman" ] "Night Ride Home" on Rosie ["Buck - the - Dog" ] Re: "Night Ride Home" on Rosie ["Brenda" ] Re: still have some questions! [Michael Paz Subject: Re:Kay's playing in NYC tomorrow (+ small diatribe) on Thu, 23 May 2002 14:09:52, Kay Ashley wrote: > Just wanted to let all the NYC folk know that I am playing a one hour set > tomorrow night (Friday the 24th) at 7:00 pm at The Baggot Inn (82 West 3rd > Street, btw Thompson & Sullivan, downstairs from the "world famous" Boston > Comedy Club.) > > Hey, hope to see some of you poor Cheney-ized (my new word for terrorized) > slobs there! :-D I mean, hey, you know what? Don't tell me that they wanna > blow up the Brooklyn Bridge or the Statue of Liberty! I knew that already! > Plus, I work smack-dab in between them in the Financial District!! So, like, > shut your damn trap unless you've got enough info to get on the Emergency > Broadcast System and tell me not to go to Manhattan! Know what I'm sayin'?!?! > Like, I was starting to feel better, really I was, and then Mr. > No-Moral-Center Vice Prez tells us it's not a matter of if, but when! Well, > no shit, Sherlock! Thanks for adding to my already ample supply of > apocalyptic visions! I mean, I was getting to the point where I wasn't > experiencing existential dread every time I got on the subway, but now that > Vice Prez has reminded me that I could die at any moment, I am actually > grateful to have the fight-or-flight adrenaline response fully cranked up > again! I think New York! > ers really need that kind of wake up call, 'cause you know, we're so damn > complacent! > > OK, I'm done. Thanks for listening. :-) > DICK Cheney??? This guy sounds more like LON Cheney!!! Seriously, Kay, if you keep your feelings all bottled up, you're just gonna develop an ulcer. Next time, let us know what you really think! ;-) Good luck with your gig! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:07:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question In a message dated 5/23/02 10:27:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > Not to spread > more rumours, but I've always imagined that "Coyote" was at least partially > > about Neil Young. A while back we had a thread going about who Coyote was written about. I was convinced it was about playwright Sam Shepard, who Dylan asked to travel with them during the tour and write a screenplay for a film. Instead, Shepard ended up writing a book, Rolling Thunder Logbook. He lived on a ranch in Minnesota and I thought this was interesting in his one and only performance as "Slim" in Cowboy Mouth... Even within the characters of Cavale and Slim, there is an urgent need to role-play, to act out a variety of behaviors: Slim "growls like a coyote and howls" (p.149); Cavale and Slim "walk through the room as though it were the city" and pretend to shop for shoes (p.150); and Cavale "plays dead" (p.152). These two characters, as they borrow the myth of Dylan and Baez and derive significance from the real-life Smith and Shepard, enact roles within roles, overlay masks with masks in their compulsion to perform. rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:41:40 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question my post didn't seem to go thru the first time... In a message dated 5/23/02 10:27:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hvnphun16@hotmail.com writes: > Not to spread > more rumours, but I've always imagined that "Coyote" was at least partially > > about Neil Young. A while back we had a thread going about who Coyote was written about. I was convinced it was about playwright Sam Shepard, who Dylan asked to travel with them during the tour and write a screenplay for a film. Instead, Shepard ended up writing a book, Rolling Thunder Logbook. He lived on a ranch in Minnesota and I thought this was interesting in his one and only performance as "Slim" in Cowboy Mouth... Even within the characters of Cavale and Slim, there is an urgent need to role-play, to act out a variety of behaviors: Slim "growls like a coyote and howls" (p.149); Cavale and Slim "walk through the room as though it were the city" and pretend to shop for shoes (p.150); and Cavale "plays dead" (p.152). These two characters, as they borrow the myth of Dylan and Baez and derive significance from the real-life Smith and Shepard, enact roles within roles, overlay masks with masks in their compulsion to perform. rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:36:55 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Joni and the boys Hey gang, All of this talk lately about Joni's paramours has me wondering just how much her career has been altered by her sometimes public lovelife. It occurs to me that Linda Rondstadt, Fleetwood Mac et al, Carly Simon, the Wilson sisters of Heart, and a host of other female artists took many shots for doing what male artists get a free pass. Double standard in my opinion, but has this in fact hurt Joni's career? I believe there was an infamous article in that pillar of rock journalism, Rolling Stone, that labelled her as "Groupie of the Year" or somesuch. Could writings like that be jealousy from some spurned author who didn't get a s close to his subject as desired? How many female writers did RS employ back then anyway? Is rock journalism balanced when it comes to female artists, and does it hurt their career if they are aloof? Joni has a reputation as an Ice Princess at times, eh? Just some rambling from a curious (if somewhat fried) mind. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:51:14 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: ani on bob & joni transcript of an mp3 i just downloaded under the impression that it was an ani & joni duet... "(various tuning sounds...lots of them) thank you...(mts - more tuning sounds)... a feather for me!! (??). see this does not happen art rock festivals, it simply doesnt. i never get feathers (mts)... these alternate tunings always seem like a good idea when im at home. (mts).... when they're written out in front of me....(mtswh - with harmonics)...i once saw joni mitchell play a show and she was just standing there for like ten minutes just going uuuhhh... uhh tryna, trying to tune, re tune her guitar into some ridiculous tuning, (laughs), i felt that it affirmed my whole life,,and i could, that was it,,, (mts),,, taking joy in other peoples struggles,, (laughs),,, (lmts - lots mts),, you know whats its funny, i um, i spent last august with uh mr robert e bob dylan. i was touring opening shows for him and ever since then, ive been, all these interviewers keep, asking me, what was it like touring with *god*, you know, and what words of wisdom did he bestow upon you, and, you have that glow, i can tell youve been with him,,, and you know theres all this, theres this,kind of like,,, religion of hyperbole that surrounds bob, and, you know, long live the church of bob,uh, i would never, you know, attempt heresy,in that area, um,speciually not in my line of work, but um hhhuu,,its funny because bob was never really, he was never really a deity for me, any where near the way, the scope, which joni,mitchell was ( audience cheer!!), and i, and i, you know, i think that respecting his work, and respecting,him, is a, is a good idea,and uh, i think hes done quite a few cool things, but, um its funny to me how it seems like, where i come from, in the states, the canon of bob, seems to be going deeper and richer and, more engrained in my culture, every day, and joni, seems to be sort of systematically ,,,, forgotten, and periodically condescended to by the media, in the states, its really ,,, its really strange to me ,,, not as strange as i wish it was,,to me hah hah,its actually kind of familiar, in a strange sort of a way,,but i think, i dont know, i think theres something,, theres something very elusive about uuhh, you know the sort of liberal, open, inclusive, revolutionary, folk singing, you know, change the world, sixties scene that wasnt quite, ready for a babe, uuhh, and its kind of its all, to listen to people talk these days, it seems like you know, all these voices have copme down, come down to one, in our collective memory, so anyway, id just like to put my vote in for joni, while, while im struggling with these tunings (mts),,,, ron np - maria muldaur - southland of the heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:09:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: ani on bob & joni Thanks for that transcription, Ron...there are SO many similarities between Joni and Ani, between her tunings, her genre-skipping, her constant move between playing solo and with a band, her gift of gab during live shows, yada yada yada. There's a nice interview piece in the JMDL library between the two as well. It's a good read, or a re-read if you haven't seen it. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Oh Atlanta" 4/13/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:09:08 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Warren, Jack, and Sam [TABLE NOT SHOWN] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:32:56 -0500 From: "Buck - the - Dog" Subject: "Night Ride Home" on Rosie Again, someone will have already posted this by the time I do, I'm sure, but a Bernadette-Peters-like woman performed "Night Ride Home" on Rosie today and she said the song was on the Bernadette-Peters-like woman's album as well. Rosie mentioned, "I love that song, 'Night Ride Home,' Joni Mitchell." Her name is Melissa something. Sorry, I can't remember the last name. But anyway, I thought some of you might be interested. ~Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:55:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Night Ride Home" on Rosie <> For sure, Matt...thanks for the info. Now who can fill in the blank, Melissa ________? Funny, so far (prior to this recording) all the NRH covers have been by men. Bob NP: Sherrelle, "Dreamland" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:31:46 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Joni and the boys That sort of thing is just sexist crapola from a guy too preoccupied with how small his dick is. :-) On Friday, May 24, 2002, at 01:36 PM, juancito@juno.com wrote: > Hey gang, > > All of this talk lately about Joni's paramours has me wondering just how > much her career has been altered by her sometimes public lovelife. It > occurs to me that Linda Rondstadt, Fleetwood Mac et al, Carly Simon, the > Wilson sisters of Heart, and a host of other female artists took many > shots for doing what male artists get a free pass. Double standard in my > opinion, but has this in fact hurt Joni's career? I believe there was an > infamous article in that pillar of rock journalism, Rolling Stone, that > labelled her as "Groupie of the Year" or somesuch. Could writings like > that be jealousy from some spurned author who didn't get a s close to his > subject as desired? How many female writers did RS employ back then > anyway? Is rock journalism balanced when it comes to female artists, and > does it hurt their career if they are aloof? Joni has a reputation as an > Ice Princess at times, eh? > > Just some rambling from a curious (if somewhat fried) mind. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:38:31 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: "Night Ride Home" on Rosie On 24 May 2002 at 17:55, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > For sure, Matt...thanks for the info. Now who can fill in the blank, > Melissa ________? > I think it was Melissa Errico. She's done a bit of Broadway work. B n.p.: Beth Orton & Ryan - "Concrete Sky" - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:39:35 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: still have some questions! Josh I meant to answer you before and got sidetracked. I have a VG-8 and Two Parker guitars (a Concert Fly like Joni's and a Classic Fly which also has magnetic pick ups). I think Bree and some other folks did a good job telling you about the system, but if you have any more questions feel free to contact me and also check out the VG-8.com website. Also come to Jonifest in NY this summer and you can try mine out. Peace Michael on 5/19/02 7:10 AM, Josh Eubank at josheubank@mindspring.com wrote: > I wrote yesterday about Joni's new guitar system! I got replies saying she > uses a Parker Fly, what is that? I'm including this next bit of info just in > case it would help any members in the future who write me in response to > something I wrote, I'm a totally blind computer user and somewhat guitar > player! I appreciate what I've been getting as answers so far, it's just > somewhat difficult for me to put it all together since I can't visualize what > poeple are explaining to me! I'll send the message again, and anyone who > feels they may be able to help more, feel free to reply! > > Thanks to all for your replies so far! > > Josh > > P.s. My original message I wrote follows! > > My name is Josh Eubank and I am a new member to the "Only Joni" list! I have a > few questions I was hoping someone could answer for me! I know that on Taming > the Tiger, Joni uses a new guitar system which I've heard called two things. > Mainly most people who knew a lot about guitars said it was called the Roland > VG-88, although when I read about it in her biographical section of > jonimitchell.com, it was refered to simply as the Roland VG-8! Basically here > are my > questions! Are the Roland VG-8 and VG-88 two different things that Roland > manufacture, or is it often just shortened to the VG-8 with the second 8 left > out to save time or something? Also, what does it do, and what kind of guitar > is Joni using it with, I've heard a custom-made strat! But how can you build > a Strat? Didn't she already have the Strat and then send it off to Roland to > have them do the modifications that were required before it could work with > the system? Any info anyone has would be great. > > Thanks very much! > > Josh Eubank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 00:37:44 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Kay Ashley live in Greenwich Village I'm very gad I made time to hear our very talented friend. She played and sang expertly and from the heart. Her songwriting is of an extremely high quality, determinedly original. You should have been there! DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #151 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?