From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 24 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 150 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #149 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: A Joni Moment/California Bound (sjc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #149 [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #149 [Gerald Notaro ] the new album? ["James Phillips" ] Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) [slick ] Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Fwd: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question ["mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: A Joni Moment/California Bound (sjc) >"I'm just waiting for my ship to come in, Gonna SAIL to New Orleans, And walk the streets till dawn..." Sailing to New Orleans-performed at McGuire's May 19 and dedicated to one Michael Paz Victor, heeeheee..... If you were going by sailboat, New Orleans would be at the end of your first > tac. > > Paz > > > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Subject: joni and counting crows Thanks to Julius for posting Adam Duritz's thoughts on Joni. I LOVE the CCrows! A few weeks ago they were in town but unfortunately they were here the same night as Jethro Tull, a concert I had already agreed to attend w/ my husband. My 17 yr old daughter went to the Crows concert and the first thing she said to me upon her return was, "Mom, you'll be so sorry you weren't there when you hear what they played! 'Big Yellow Taxi'!!" I had the same thought as Sybil re her son, maybe NOW she'll 'get it' and stop rolling her eyes whenever I mention Joni. I intend to show her Adam's piece on Joni. Thanks again Julius for sharing this. Jane LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:26:08 EDT From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #149 I'm sorry, kids. But EVERYbody has dated Warren Beaty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:37:50 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #149 Really, Jenny. I was trying to keep my torrid past with him a secret. Jerry npimh: Wishin' and Hopin'........................... Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry, kids. But EVERYbody has dated Warren Beaty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:38:18 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) I would hate to think Joni dated someone who was engaged to Joan Collins :-) FWIW, Entertainment Weekly listed the top entertainers a couple of years ago. #62 - Warren Beatty #63 - Joni Mitchell coincidence???? ........and since Carly was mentioned in this subject line, wasn't it rumored that Warren was the person she was singing about in "Your So Vain" ? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:57:23 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: VERY exciting Joni Covers news!! I have just found out today that in April 2002 a German Joni jazz tribute CD was released. The CD is titled "Places To Come From, Places to Go", and it's by The Steve Klink Trio. Of the 15 (!) tracks on the CD, 10 are instrumentals, and 5 feature Steve's new wife Mia on vocals. Mia herself is not new to the Joni cover world, having done "Dry Cleaner" & "Little Green" on previous solo CD's. I've been in conversation with Steve, and he's sending me copies of Mia's solo stuff as well as the new tribute disc. Get a load of what's here: 1. Ray's Dad's cadillac 2. That song about the midway 3. Cotton Avenue 4. Big yellow taxi 5. A case of you 6. Night ride home 7. Blue motel room 8. You turn me on I'm a radio 9. Night in the city 10. Both sides, now 11. Woman of heart and mind 12. Sweet bird 13. Cactus tree 14. California 15. The gallery Can you BELIEVE that line-up?!? Several of these have NEVER been covered before, and some others like WOHAM & California only have 1 to their credit, so I'm chompin' at the bit to hear these! The cd is currently available at amazon.de: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000636EQ/ref=ase_rondo/028-0379244-4107732 I'm going to look into seeing if I can get a "group rate" for those of us in the US who want a copy and get Steve to ship me a boxload to distribute to those who are interested. NONE of these tracks ( except the Mia solo stuff) will be included in the covers project. I'll spill the details as I work them out with Steve. Can't wait! Bob NP: Kelly Joe Phelps, "Long haired donay" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:04:04 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni Lyrics in USA Today today - long ...And it's not even "Big Yellow Taxi" this time! Nice hook, (Cherokee?) Louise! - -Julius Bush can give a hand up to Putin By Louise Branson Remember those lines from Joni Mitchell's 1970s song, Blue Motel Room: "You and me, we're like America and Russia, we're always keeping score, we're always balancing the power, and that can get to be a cold, cold war"? The lyrics definitely need updating. As President Bush heads today for a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, he should take the lead in shaping them. Not that the leaders need to "hold ourselves a peace talk in some neutral cafe." They're already comfortable on each other's territory. Putin visited Bush's Texas ranch in November. He will now show Bush around Moscow and his native St. Petersburg. A core problem, though, remains. The Soviet Union collapsed more than a decade ago, but the ghosts and mind-set of the Cold War linger. Russia's establishment, in particular, has found it hard to accept its diminished status. Bush and Putin have quietly formed a pragmatic partnership. Bush once said America and Russia shouldn't be dependent on the relationship between the two leaders, as he felt it was under Bill Clinton. He should revise that assessment. His relationship with Putin is fast becoming an engine for potentially dramatic changes. The first, most visible evidence will come at the summit. The two will sign an agreement deeply cutting nuclear weapons b from some 6,000 warheads to between 1,700 and 2,200 each. This, Bush announced, would "liquidate the legacy of the Cold War." In fact, Bush had not wanted a formal agreement, preferring a gentleman's handshake on a verbal accord. But he did Putin this face-saving favor (even though the agreement, only three pages long, is seen by many experts as laughably lacking in detail). The reason: Putin is on a risky course. He has begun taking Russia in a new direction on the world stage: staking Russia's success and security on Western integration b economic, military and political. But he is doing so with a comparatively small circle of enlightened advisers, plus going against the country's instinctual Cold War grain. Bush needs to help and nudge Putin, and Russia, further on this track. Bush can already take much credit for this new direction b beginning with early in his presidency, when he refused to be intimidated by Putin, a shrewd former KGB officer. That includes Putin's moves to form an alliance with China and to create international momentum against the American pullout from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Putin's new pragmatism emerged with force only after Sept. 11, as he took the decision to give strategic, intelligence and other aid to the United States in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan. In part, this was because of the stark choice the United States gave the world: You are with us or against us. The nuclear-weapons agreement is an important moment. But two other issues could prove more significant: NATO and oil. First, NATO. A few days after the Bush-Putin summit, both will attend the new session of the first NATO-Russia council, being referred to as the "19+1" arrangement. It will give Russia a real say in NATO decisions, a first move toward possibly joining the alliance. That is a breathtaking step, having Moscow in this new arrangement with NATO, which was formed to combat Moscow's growing menace. But in addition, the three formerly Soviet Baltic states, as well as Slovenia and Slovakia, could be invited to join NATO in November, along with Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and others. Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are already in. A senior NATO official said this meant the Cold War was now "kaput." But that assessment is premature. In fact, it's only a beginning. The real work is ahead. NATO's effectiveness has been diluted with so many new members. It needs to firmly define its new raison d'etre as fighting terrorism and create standards and procedures that make it the kind of civilizing "club" the European Union has proved to be. Bush should take the lead in giving NATO new meaning and bringing Russia properly into its fold. Oil, the other long-term issue, is perhaps the most important question mark now looming over the Russia-America relationship. It has become more urgent in recent weeks because of the Middle East crisis, which has underscored America's reliance on OPEC and particularly Saudi Arabia. A possible oil partnership could quite literally transform U.S.-Russia relations into a solid partnership lashed with business ties. The bottom line: Russia has huge reserves of oil, and the USA would like to tap into them. It is far from a perfect match. Among the many potential pitfalls: transportation difficulties, Russia's continuing economic mess and the bad experiences of American businesses that invested in Russia in the 1990s. Still, the idea is far more probable today. If Russia's economy were eventually stabilized and underpinned by wealth from properly managed oil sales, Russia could in time join other clubs such as the World Trade Organization, as China has just done. Perhaps even, in the distant future, it could join the European Union, an economic organization many Russians view as more of a threat than NATO. Bush's goal should be clear: to create a stable and allied Russia within the Western fold. That would be the real happy ending to an updated Blue Motel Room. For now, though, the lyrics will have to focus on the search for that happy ending b and the hopeful signs that one may be in sight. Louise Branson, co-author of Gorbachev: Heretic in the Kremlin, is a former Moscow correspondent for London's Sunday Times. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:48:37 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question hi guys ! i found the quote referring to joni and warren. i too have the book by leonore fleischer mentioned in sylvia's post, oddly enough the quote i found actually mentions said book as it source. the quote is in brian hinton's book " joni mitchell: both sides now." the quote is on page 138, the last paragraph: "in leonore fleischer's book, affairs are hinted at - never confirmed - with steven stills, leonard cohen, neil young, and warren beatty, who is rumored to be the inspiration for mitchell's ' coyote,' as he was for carly simon's 'you're so vain.' i promised a quote and by god a quote you will get. although it isn't exactly proof it is confirmation that it probably is so ? ( and that's the truth !) feeling dirty and cheap after having passed on that rumour, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:44:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: VERY exciting Joni Covers news!! Further to my previous post: It looks like Mia only does a couple of vocals, and that some other female vocalists provide vocals as well. A review (in German) is available at: http://www.rondomagazin.de/jazz/k/klink/sk01.htm Audio samples are available at: http://www.jpc.de/jpcdb/frames/jpcset.html?hnum=4708941&iampartner=wmp&ref=3659&maktion=artikel&msparte=jazz&language=de (Karin, you can go get yourself a birthday present! :~)) Bob, peeing in my pants with excitement... NP: Sam Phillips, "Disappearing Act" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:57:39 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crow Loves Joni - long if i can contain myself long enough after reading your post i would just like to say, " thank you, thank you, thank you ! " what a wonderful diary entry, i got goose flesh and my eyes welled up reading it. i especially was moved by the part about the new album, i'm about to pee in my pants waiting for it to be released. i really appreciated you taking the time to share it. i'm in your debt, warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:09:52 -0700 From: Kay Ashley Subject: Kay's playing in NYC tomorrow (+ small diatribe) Hey All, Just wanted to let all the NYC folk know that I am playing a one hour set tomorrow night (Friday the 24th) at 7:00 pm at The Baggot Inn (82 West 3rd Street, btw Thompson & Sullivan, downstairs from the "world famous" Boston Comedy Club.) I'll have demos for sale (3 songs, $5 bucks, whatta deal!). There is a $5 cover charge. Rumor has it that I will sing "Black Crow" as part of my set. Woo hoo! Hey, hope to see some of you poor Cheney-ized (my new word for terrorized) slobs there! :-D I mean, hey, you know what? Don't tell me that they wanna blow up the Brooklyn Bridge or the Statue of Liberty! I knew that already! Plus, I work smack-dab in between them in the Financial District!! So, like, shut your damn trap unless you've got enough info to get on the Emergency Broadcast System and tell me not to go to Manhattan! Know what I'm sayin'?!?! Like, I was starting to feel better, really I was, and then Mr. No-Moral-Center Vice Prez tells us it's not a matter of if, but when! Well, no shit, Sherlock! Thanks for adding to my already ample supply of apocalyptic visions! I mean, I was getting to the point where I wasn't experiencing existential dread every time I got on the subway, but now that Vice Prez has reminded me that I could die at any moment, I am actually grateful to have the fight-or-flight adrenaline response fully cranked up again! I think New Yorkers really need that kind of wake up call, 'cause you know, we're so damn complacent! OK, I'm done. Thanks for listening. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:32:19 +0100 From: slick Subject: down to earth well, folks, it seems I am off my little high. God it was bad this time, suffered delusions of grandeur and thought I was this English dude named Colin. Thank God he is gone. Grace-still alive and puffing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:56:12 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: the new album? hey list: I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about Joni's upcoming album when the release date is etc. I am getting antcy with no new Joni to play LOL but it's true..... any information is appreciated, James in Urbana IL - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) > ........and since Carly was mentioned in this subject line, wasn't it rumored > that Warren was the person she was singing about in "Your So Vain" ? I thought "You're So Vain" was about Mick Jagger for some reason. Didn't Joni used to pal around with Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson, although maybe not date WB. (On the other hand, I always thought "Same Situation" was possibly about WB. Plus, I do recall the Democratic National Convention where George McGovern was the nominee. (1974?) JT and Joni did some benefit concerts for GM, but I recall WB being involved as well. I'm off to try to find my mind, what's left of it now... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:57:30 +0100 From: slick Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) awww...shit man ...that fucking song was 30 years ago ...give the bitch a break...she isn't telling...for 30 years that is the question she always gets asked and she is so polite and deosn't answer....me...i'd say get a life ...mind your own fucking business.....it's a song man....the words sounded good......sides which...better to ask what she was smoking...clouds in my coffee.....definately smokin man......ask what she smokes with her morning tea...much more to the point...much more intersting...bet she can't remember who fuck it was about anyway....any idea how much smoke gets puffed in 30 years? 30 years . 30 years . 30 years. you know....is it the smoke man or is it me...30 years ...shit i feel old..or is this shit old...oh who gives a shit... i bet it was about that Joni..the clues in the title man..... grace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:54:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) Anne writes: << I thought "You're So Vain" was about Mick Jagger for some reason. >> I remember hearing that it was about Warren when it first came out, but over the years I have heard a lot of people say they thought it was about Mick. I think people somehow assume it's about Mick just because he's singing backup, and because lines like "you had one eye in the mirror as you watched yourself gavotte" sound more like they're about Mick than Warren. But I'm pretty sure it was written for Warren . . . although there was a time, many hairs ago, when I was so vain I probably thought this song was about me! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:01:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: down to earth > well, folks, it seems I am off my little high. God it was bad this time, > suffered delusions of grandeur and thought I was this English dude named > Colin. Thank God he is gone. > > Grace-still alive and puffing > Gracie! Sweetie Darling! It's so good to see you're still kicking, Sweetie. The next time you're on this side of the pond you really must drop by for a joint & some Stoli's, Sweetie Darling. Patsy will be absolutely thrilled to hear from you, Sweetie but right now I have to go pull her head out of the loo. She passed out in there again, you know how she is, Darling but she'll be alright once she's conscious and has a fag to smoke Sweetie. I just prop her up and stick one in her mouth & she's right as rain, Sweetie Darling. May have to get Saffy to help though, Darling, if I can find the wretched little lump! Well anyway, like I said Sweetie, it's fabulous to hear you're still breathing and do write again soon, Sweetie Darling! Eddy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:14:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question (SJC) 30 years. you know....is it > the smoke man or is it me...30 years ...shit i feel old..or is this shit > old...oh who gives a shit... i bet it was about that Joni..the clues in > the title man..... > > grace > By the way, Sweetie, Lulu says hello. That's right Sweetie, Lulu! She's right here in the office with me! You remember Lulu, don't you, Sweetie Darling? You know, Sweetie! She sang that song about 'telling tales & biting nails' and something about 'Sir'...well that must have been a B & D thing mustn't it, Sweetie? I always thought she was a kinky little thing. But she's my client now, Sweetie! So if you ever feel like you might want to get a comeback going over here, Sweetie, you know they remember you on the Continent! Oh yes, Sweetie, the Germans are dying to hear more from you, Darling so just say the word and I'll get you back on top again, Sweetie Darling. You'll be a star again, Darling, I guarantee it! Well in Stuttgart anyway, but they love you over there, Sweetie honest they do! Oh, Lulu says ta-ta, Gracie Sweetie Darling! ttfn Eddy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:17:05 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Oops! Sorry! I just noticed there was no njc on those last two messages full of silliness. My most humble apologies to the Joni only crowd. Mark E in Seattle (putting Edina to bed for the night) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:23:31 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Fwd: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question Thanks Warren! For going to all the trouble to find that. Not to spread more rumours, but I've always imagined that "Coyote" was at least partially about Neil Young. Maybe I saw this in the line that goes : "......while your up early on your ranch. You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail, while the sun is ascending......" knowing that Neil has a ranch. Not that I want to gossip, but I have a sort of runaway imagination, and I like to look for patterns and connect the dots. Especially, when you find references from other artists from the same time period and can put a picture together. I just used to imagine that Joni purposely stuck that line "my vain darling" in her song to reference the same person in Carly's song. It seems so fitting, but we may never know. Thanks for everyone's insights and for sharing those additional lyrics from Carly and James! Mia - ----Original Message Follows---- From: WARREN901@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org CC: juancito@juno.com, hvnphun16@hotmail.com, smroque61@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly "Warren Beatty" question Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:48:37 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [205.188.157.33] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBEB6845B00AE4136E852CDBC9D21B7EA0; Thu, 23 May 2002 11:47:59 -0700 Received: from WARREN901@aol.comby imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.17c.8bc52e8 (18255);Thu, 23 May 2002 14:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From WARREN901@aol.com Thu, 23 May 2002 11:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: <17c.8bc52e8.2a1e9385@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10500 hi guys ! i found the quote referring to joni and warren. i too have the book by leonore fleischer mentioned in sylvia's post, oddly enough the quote i found actually mentions said book as it source. the quote is in brian hinton's book " joni mitchell: both sides now." the quote is on page 138, the last paragraph: "in leonore fleischer's book, affairs are hinted at - never confirmed - with steven stills, leonard cohen, neil young, and warren beatty, who is rumored to be the inspiration for mitchell's ' coyote,' as he was for carly simon's 'you're so vain.' i promised a quote and by god a quote you will get. although it isn't exactly proof it is confirmation that it probably is so ? ( and that's the truth !) feeling dirty and cheap after having passed on that rumour, warren keith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:44:53 -0400 From: "Josh Eubank" Subject: A question for anyone on the list who can help Here's what's up: Back in September, I purchased Painting with Words and Music on VHS! Until earlier this week the tape has played fine, but now for some unexplainable reason, now on the songs Night Ride Home and The Crazy Cries Of Love, I now have what I can only describe as a popping sound on each track that's just quick! It just sounds and then no more! How could it have happened? Can I clean it in any way...Like I said, these sounds were deffinitly not there when I bought it originally! Anyone have any suggestions! I don't want to have to pay another $20 to replace it you know? Any thought anyone on the list has would be great! This is a very frustrating situation! Thanks a lot, The rest of the tape is fine, but it pains me to think I'd have to live with it especially when I don't know where it came from! Can this weird kind of thing sometimes happen with videos especially when they're ones you play a lot? Basically, what I'm saying here is that I don't like these new sounds, and I want to get rid of them without buying another copy! Any way to do that? Josh P.s. Ken, if you get this email as well, could you reply with your thoughts! Your real knoledgable! Thanks. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #150 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?