From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 148 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Electricity - a wider web - SJC (speculative joni content) [LXROSS@ctrl.c] Re: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus [Deb Messling ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? [AsharaJM@aol.com] The Virus Alert ["William" ] Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 [Jerry Notaro ] Chelsea Mourning [Gordon Mackie ] Re: how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album! [Engwall57@aol.com] "Electricity," "ACOY" [] What I like about Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: What I like about Joni [Lori in MD ] Re: Chelsea Mourning [Penny ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #147: Epigraph; No Secrets (tangential JC) ["Ti] Re: What I like about Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Joni and Carly question [juancito@juno.com] Joni Bio's [juancito@juno.com] re: the virus warning with that teddy bear ["mia ortlieb" ] Mandolin Wind (Rod Stewart) [OzWoman321@aol.com] David Sedaris does Joni [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:43:13 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Electricity - a wider web - SJC (speculative joni content) ..with all this recent discussion on Electricity......this from Bobbie Zee 'the ghost of electricity howls in the bones of her face' visions of johanna written in the chelsea hotel, my boss tells me. 1966 though..... Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:26:46 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus Hoax alert! Do not delete the file jdbgmgr.exe. It is a legitimate Windows file that you should *expect* to find on your system. Sorry for the lack of NJC tag, but the hoax mail did not have one and I didn't want to leave the Joni-onlies with false information. Here's a link to my favorite authoritative page on virus hoaxes. It's always helpful to check this page before you forward a virus warning. http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:26:38 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? Wow. This is one of the great pluses of being on this list. I am finally caught up after neglecting digests for weeks, getting ready for my son's Bar Mitzvah and the aftermath of catching up with the rest of my life. **Caution: the following statement may be considered blasphemous to some people on this list. Delete now, or forever hold your peace!** I have always been a "Joni-music-kinda-gal." I never sat down with the words and tried to analyze them, or look at the deeper meanings of the words. I have so thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Thanks Matt for starting the thread, Bob for picking up the ball, and everyone who has contributed so far. It has been SO interesting! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:25:13 +0100 From: "William" Subject: The Virus Alert Apologies for absolutely NO Joni content. With regard to; << Subject: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus Yep, I found it too. Lindsay>>> I looked into this and received an email from a friend - I quote; <<>> Again, sincere apologies. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:15:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 I don't know, Kakki. "you said she was a bore." That can't possibly be a reference to Joni. Whatever she is (or was), it is never boring! Jerry np: Maureen McGovern - Bring Back My Dreamer ( a gorgeous song by Jeff Harris.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 - Carly mondegreen Ha- well I always thought the line was: And later when you told me You said she was a whore so much for mondegreens! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:46:48 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Warren Beatty - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:31:24 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Chelsea Mourning Hi everyone Well the title of my post has nothing to do with my choice of funeral music but more to do with Ms Clinton junior. She visited the Chelsea Flower Show in London yesterday and the papers reported the following The Oxford University student said the visit was especially significant as she was named after the area of central London from which the flower show took its name and said " My parents were here during Christmas in 1978.They were hoping to have a child and if it was a girl they said it would be called Chelsea". Is this an example of a Clinton being less than wholly truthful? Why no mention of Joni. Not that I'm into Clinton bashing but it was reported today on Radio Scotland that she made a bee line for a man in a kilt who was at the flower show to which one local commentator added " Like father like daughter...those Clintons just cant keep away from anything in a skirt" Well it made me laugh. Bye everybody Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:48:30 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album! Have you checked Amazon.com for TI? I can't believe it is not available. Welcome to the List! You will learn a lot of interesting things, both on the technical/musical side and the lyrical/literary end of the spectrum. There are many layers and levels of meaning in Joni's work. Ruth in Richmond (VA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:08:20 CDT From: Subject: "Electricity," "ACOY" Such wonderful threads. . .such great Joni Content lately! - --What?? We do that here, too?? ;-) About "Electricity": You know, I'd long assumed that some of the other songs on _For the Roses_, like "See You Sometime," were about James Taylor. However, although the timing is correct, I never made the Joni/JT/Carly connection with "Electricity." It feels dead-on right, though: in part, because I think JT could, indeed, sing a lover to sleep with a special song, perhaps an original one, and have it run "all through her circuits like a heartbeat" (what a relaxing voice!). I also think that such a gift would be especially appreciated by Carly, a singer and songwriter herself. About "A Case of You": I have always assumed that this song was written for Graham Nash, if only because of the depth of feeling described. Although Leonard Cohen would be linked to the map of Canada, I somehow had the sense that, whatever else it also may have been, Joni's relationship with Cohen was, in large part, mentor and student, and that at some point, Joni outgrew the need for such a mentor and moved on. I remember that, in an early interview, Joni stated that Cohen helped her, in general, to "work on the poignancy of a song." On the other hand, a Cohen connection might explain, "part of you pours out of me in these lines from time to time," as well as, "I'm frightened by the devil / And I'm drawn to the ones that ain't afraid," given Cohen's fascination with religious matters and his unorthodox approach to same. On balance, though, my vote goes to Nash. I get the sense that he and Joni were deeply, deeply connected. Mary P., - --done speculating about Joni's love life for the day! P.S. Speaking of Cohen, his 2001 release, "Ten New Songs," is a gem, even though his voice has deteriorated even further, if that's possible, and the musical arrangements would have benefited from having them performed by real, live musicians, rather than a computer. Still, while it might not be a good introduction for others, I can't recommend it highly enough to Cohen fans. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:19:04 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: What I like about Joni One of the things I like about Joni is her righteous anger, as evidenced in songs like Banquet, many selections on DED (Ethiopia, Tax-free, 3 Great Stimulants), No Apologies, Sex Kills, to name a few. It is like she is yelling at everyone to get off their butts and feel things (to quote Janis Joplin)and to see what the bigger picture is and ask what they can do about it. She is so honest in her anger; she does not hold back, and her observations hit their targets, often before anyone is aware of the problem. Look at Magdalene Laundries. While it is about nuns, the hypocrisy and unfeeling authoritarianism it alludes to could equally apply to the current Catholic crisis. I think I will write her in for president in 2004. Ruth aus Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: What I like about Joni Ruth wrote: > I think I will write her in for president in 2004. That would be lovely, Ruth! Except that Joni wasn't born in the U.S. ... Lori in MD ~ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: Chelsea Mourning Ahh, but thankfully Gordon, not all of the press releases left out the Joni reference. Penny Chelsea Clinton Visits Namesake Tue May 21, 6:36 AM ET LONDON (AP) - When Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) visited the trendy Chelsea section of London in the 1970s, they decided they would give its name to the child they hoped to have, Chelsea Clinton said. "My parents were here during Christmas in 1978," the daughter of the former U.S. president said Monday as she visited the Chelsea Flower Show. "They were hoping to have a child and if it was a girl they said it would be called Chelsea." She continued, "They also loved the song `Chelsea Morning' by Joni Mitchell, which is great because I love my name." Chelsea, in west London, was a center for trendy fashion and a celebrity hangout in the 1960s. It's now a relatively quiet, upscale residential area. Clinton, who is studying international relations at Oxford University, posed for photographers in front of a patch of tulips at a special preview of the Royal Horticultural Society's famous flower show. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:45:54 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #147: Epigraph; No Secrets (tangential JC) Denny Giovanetti wrote: > > >"Timothy Spong" wrote: > > The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a >title, >on any given book's foreword. >The term is "epigraph," generally a quotation (also applies to building >inscriptions, etc.) > >Denny > Denny is, of course, correct. A given book may have both an epigraph and a foreword, and I did not read the original post carefully enough to realize that the former, not the latter, was referred to. Also, "Kakki" wrote: > >Janine wrote: > > > I, too, have always felt Electricity was about my beloved JT who had to >have > > torn her heart out, of course, I have to blame it on that darn Cold Blue >Steel > > and Sweet Fire. I have also wondered if this song was not in response >to > > Carly's frustrations with JT? She obviously still wants a connection to >him > > despite the Minus's current lovelessness. > >My next door neighbor in the college dorm was as much into Carly as I was >into Joni and would talk to me about the JT connection. She's the one that >alerted me to Carly's song "No Secrets" and said it there was a put down to >Joni in it. I've posted the lyrics below. If true, I thought maybe Joni >would see the song as sort of a gloat and thought Electricity was her >rejoinder. Both albums were released in November 1972. Speaking of Robbie >Cavolina, he once told me that Carly and Joni have long been very good >friends, so bygones are bygones. ;-) Kakki > ... and then, appended the lyrics to (We Have) No Secrets, by Carly Simon. Kakki's analysis of its lyrics is probably correct. I think No Secrets is my favorite of all the Carly Simon songs I have heard so far, in terms of the melody and arrangement. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:46:31 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: What I like about Joni Well, George Bush isn't human but that did not prevent him from being elected president in 1988. Ruthless ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:27:12 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly question Mia, couldn't say for sure if she is talking about the same person, but I've heard bunches of rumors over the years about the subject of "You're so Vain," everyone from Mick Jagger to Warren Beatty to JT and others I've forgotten. Is his biography of Joni, Brian Hinton sez that YSV is about Beatty. Dunno if Beatty and Joni ever dated. Hope they didn't (lol) Jim On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:01:04 -0500 "mia ortlieb" writes: > All this talk of Joni and Carly has me thinking. Perhaps this was > discussed > before, but I was wondering if anybody knows if the man from Carly's > "You're > so Vain" is the same man from Joni's "Just Like This Train" (my vain > > darling)? I heard a rumour that Carly was singing about Warren > Beatty. Did > Joni ever date Warren? > > Mia > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:30:11 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Joni Bio's Speaking of Hinton's bio of Joni, I was a little disappointed and wondered if anyone has had a chance to read the new bio that's out in the UK and Canada, but what what I've been told, not yet published in the states. Any opinions on either book? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:46:53 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: the virus warning with that teddy bear I was just about to delete that teddy bear file, but thought I would consult with my son, the techno geek first. He warned me that this is an integral part of the windows system. He also referred me to http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/176442.html. If your afraid to click the hyperlink, try a google search instead. The article should come up right away. Does anyone else know something I don't about this supposed virus? Maybe it's been modified?? Any help would be appreciated! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:57:14 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: She Said She Said (The Beatles) Hello, All - Bob wrote: > < brownie points, right? :-)>> > > Or put you under INSTANT suspicion! ;~) > > Welcome, Susan...looking forward to hearing more from you. I thought your > choices of "funeral songs" were very inspired. Thanks for the warm welcome, Bob - if being a friend of Gregg's makes me an "accomplice to the crime", consider me guilty as charged... :-) and then Timothy and Denny suggested: << "Timothy Spong" wrote: > The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a title, >on any given book's foreword. The term is "epigraph," generally a quotation (also applies to building inscriptions, etc.) Denny >> Yes, that's it! - epigraph... :-) I can't believe my English major/journalism minor brain couldn't remember that - ack! I'm most especially grateful to all of you, though, for your many insights into Joni's work after Miles of Aisles - I must admit a preference for her earlier, confessional pieces and although I continued to buy her music over the years, with a few exceptions it just didn't "speak to me" as much as her previous albums. However, I am a firm believer that "the teacher appears when the lesson is ready to be learned" - I have begun to drag out everything from Hissing of Summer Lawns on and will be giving them a thorough listening, in a different light... which is how I feel so many years after their initial introduction. Thanks again for the motivation - eeny meeny miney moe, catch a Tiger... Dog... Rainstorm?... by the toe... :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Guiding a ship, it takes more than your skill It's the compass inside, it's the strength of your will..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:13:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Meeting Fred W Kate Damn I wish I could have been there with you. That damn Kakki is SUCH a good hostess she always keeps me too busy to ever make it out there. But the next time I go I want to make it out there to meet him too and hang out. Not only do I wanna see those guitars I want to play them. Love Paz on 5/16/02 10:23 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > Had the wonderful pleasure of meeting Fred Walecki at Westwood Music today. > What a sweetheart of a guy!!!! > > (he's the one who helped ..design?..Joni's VG-8 so she could tour again. He > seems to be in great health, very energetic, incredibly knowledgeable & > soooo friendly... > > he pointed up to where he said he had a bunch of Joni's guitars for sale > (1,2, 3, 4 numbered in cases...man, did he have my number! not cheap he > said...so, I didn't even want to see them because I would have been in deep > deep trouble- Paz I know you know the kind)... > > we talked a bit about Joni, her tunings, the website & the AMAZING people > who figured out her tunings!!!! & how she told him that having her VG-8 was > like having a whole new palette... > > what a nice guy, no wonder everyone did that benefit for him...Kakki, have > you met him?...I can imagine the two of you chatting away for hours!!!! > > Although I didn't buy anything (yet) he walked me to my car (I was lugging 3 > guitars) & talked about so many wonderful sound technicalities...I think he > is really some kind of genius...on that same level of niceness (for lack of > a better word) as Graham Nash ... I just want to buy something from him > because he's such a cool guy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:39:43 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Mandolin Wind (Rod Stewart) Hello, All - Here's the link to a post from today's Lucy Kaplansky list that mentions Joni - - enjoy... :-) http://grassyhill.org/stax/lucy-list/index.cgi?i=1021978155_paulcast Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Guiding a ship, it takes more than your skill It's the compass inside, it's the strength of your will..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:29:30 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: David Sedaris does Joni It has been noted recently that David Sedaris gets mentioned a lot on this list. Well, here's another reason to bring up his name: He mentions Joni twice in an an essay called "A Million Bubbles!" If you have never heard or read Sedaris, give a listen to this autoclip in which he mentions Joni twice. "A Million Bubbles" is included as "a live bonus track" on the audiotape for "Me Talk Pretty One Day." but it did not appear in the book. Thanks to Salon.com, you can listen to it here for free: http://www.salon.com/audio/nonfiction/2001/06/06/sedaris_bubbles/ Hmmm . . . Joni in Non-Fiction! Who wants to take on that one?! --Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #148 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?