From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 138 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: May 11 [les@jmdl.com] Re: lucky guess INDEED! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's sexiest songs ["Victor Johnson" ] Sexy Joni Lyrics ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni's sexiest songs ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Sexy Joni Lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Was: "Joni in Fiction" needs a techie, Now: We have volunteers [Murphycop] Joni's least sexy songs JC [Russell Bowden] Desafinado or ... (flippant JC) ["John van Tiel" ] Re: Joni's least sexiest songs [dsk ] Re: Joni's sexiest songs [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: sensitivity ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: sensitivity ["John van Tiel" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 03:01:47 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 11 On May 11 in history: 1995: Joni was in Washington, D.C. and did a National Public Radio show where she talked and performed 3 songs; "Sunny Sunday," "Loves Cries" and "The Three Great Stimulants." This show was taped [today] but wasn't broadcast until the 28th. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 08:50:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: lucky guess INDEED! Janine guessed: <> And a Lucky Girl you are, Janine! For you were the closest one to my unsexy choice of "Lakota" from CMIARS! So a copy of "Covers, Volume #29 AND a copy of "For The Roses, Live!" will be winging their way to you for your listening pleasure. Please confirm your address to me when you get a chance. And while I realize this won't be the same thrill as SITTING RIGHT BEHIND JONI at Harbourfront, I hope you do enjoy them. ;~) Thanks to EVERYONE for playing...really had a lot of guesses this time, and I appreciate it. If you didn't win, but want either or both of these discs, lemme know and we'll make it happen. And stay tuned for more chances to WIN WIN WIN!!! :~) Happy weekend, ya knuckleheads...I love ya'! Bob NP: Ian & Sylvia, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 9:46:58 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest songs > Yea there are alot of non-sexy songs on Dog Eat Dog.. probably the > most unsexy is "Ethiopia" > Yes...."Ethiopia" takes the cake! Victor, sad that he can't play "Dog Eat Dog" because his turntable is busted...and thinking of when Homer Simpson is coming down the elevator with his new sexy coworker(can't remember her name) and saying to himself, think unsexy thoughts, think unsexy thoughts and this image pops into his head of Barney dancing in a tutu, but it all is to no avail because he steps out of the elevator where there is no floor and falls the rest of the way. > > > > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:37:01 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Sexy Joni Lyrics You go down to the pick up station Craving warmth and beauty You settle for less than fascination A few drinks later you're not so choosy When the closing lights strip off the shadows On this strange new flesh you've found Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry To the blackness And the blankets To lay down an impression And your loneliness and - Hands alike, magnet and iron, the souls peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:14:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest songs .. and then there are tons of one liners or > melodies that can lure me into daydreaming.. > > There's a one liner in 'Electricity' that isn't overtly sexual but really gets to me: While the song that he sang her to soothe her to sleep Runs all through her circuits like a heartbeat I wonder if James inspired that one. His voice would do that to me if he was singing to me....in bed.... Sigh... Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:18:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Sexy Joni Lyrics > I'd have to say the all around sexiest scenario for me would be the Lesson In > Survival images, which set my mind to imagining the kind of romantic > relationship I'd want-- > "You and me, deep kisses and the sun going down." > "I'm gonna get a boat and we can row it if you ever get the notion to be > needed by me, fresh salmon frying and the tide rolling in." > "Hands alike, magnet and iron, the souls..." > Ken in SF I've always thought that sounded like an ideal romantic setting as well, Ken. I'm sure the infamous photo on the inside of the FTR album was inspired by 'I'm looking way out at the ocean/love to see that green water in motion' from 'Lesson in Survival'. Mark E in Seattle PS: Glad you made it back home again. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:43:09 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Was: "Joni in Fiction" needs a techie, Now: We have volunteers We have a volunteer (Lori) and a backup (Hell) for the technical work that needs to be done on the new "Joni in Fiction" section of the JMDL. I appreciate that they are taking time out from other JMDL projects they are working on to help out. Thanks! If anyone has e-mailed me off-list about this project and has not heard back it's because I am not getting all my e-mail, thanks to AOL. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:59:27 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Joni's least sexy songs JC Gang, Long time, no post. My selections would be: Lead Balloon (ouch!) Ethiopia BTW, on the homepage for the Castro movie theater in San Francisco, there is a picture of Joni and Neil in the top left corner..... The restored "Last Waltz" just played there for a week or so. I think it's Castrotheater.com or search for castro movie theater San Francisco. Love, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:18:47 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Desafinado or ... (flippant JC) How insentive (just saw Pat Metheny in Amsterdam doing a brilliant version of this Joao Gilberto classic): Lieve wrote: >> one thing I would never want to do is generalise, even as a child I refused to join in the telling of jokes about the "Hollanders" (hi John, surely feminists can be sweethearts?!) Yes? Name five, then. :-) *** Bob wrote: >>When I told my sister that I was on a JM discussion list, her immediate response was "Oh my, I would imagine that Joni fans are people who feel things very deeply!"...and I think that was a right-on statement. I think we're much more sensitive than the world at large. Jerry's retort: >>And much better looking! Eh? Where have YOU been for the past 5 years??? In this group, I go for the character, deep thinking and the intelligence. Now, in the Michelle Pfeiffer Discussion List, we go for character, wit, intelligence, feminism AND looks. Never for deep thinking. *** Joni's sexiest song: Je t'aime (moi non plus) - although her voice is already a bit hampered by the early signs of smoke damage on the vocal chords. *** Mike wrote: >>To say that Britney Spears is a greater songwriter and singer than Joni Mitchell is an idiotic remark. ??? By which standards??? Anyone who manages to get the entire world to sing "Oops ... " must be a fabulous songwriter by my standards. Oops John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:58:56 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni's least sexiest songs Victor Johnson wrote: > > So...what's the least sexiest song that Joni has??? Sex Kills, especially because whenever I hear it or even think of it I also picture her stern face when she performed it on some late-night talk show. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:27:29 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest songs I think Lucky Girl on DED is one of her sexiest songs. It almost sounds like the postmodern offspring of a song like Help Me or any other like Court and Spark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:23:10 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: sensitivity Referring to mike's alleged reference to the alleged "Blind ignorant nigger" remark allegedly made by Elvis Costello, whose real name is allegedly Declan Patrick Aloysius MacManus, (Dutch) John asked: >>Would you (mike) have defended the remark when it hadn't been made by the impressively talented and probably sensitive Elvis Costello (talking about 'blind' -- he must have lost his glasses at the time of the remark) but by someone like Jim Carey, Ralph Nader, or Andre Agassi?<< Hi John; my straight answer is that I didn't defend the remark at all, ever. What I DID do was to suggest that Elvis' (alleged) remark should not condemn him as a racist on the basis of 3 seconds of racist bile. The remark is unquestionably offensive and racist and I wouldn't defend this remark ever, whoever said it. What I did say and will say again here is that one racist outburst does not mean the speaker is racist. If someone had a history of using such language, or xenophobic behaviour, or whatever, then this would lead me and others to form an opinion that that person is racist. But, I stress, it would only be my opinion. I do not have any information about Costello (or Mack) that would lead me to conclude that they are racist. I believe them not to be but anyone is capable of letting a few nasty words slip out in moments of, shall we say, insensitivity. Bob chips in with a comment which shows (me) that Costello's remarks were out of character: >>Wasn't Elvis drunk or on drugs when he said that? I think he was, and that he was so disgusted with his own behavior, he sought treatment shortly after this incident and has been alcohol/drug free ever since.<< John also asked: >>Also: Being called something ... does that mean that you ARE ? << That's perhaps the other side of the coin. I would say not, but we have to think why somebody would say such a thing. If A calls B a racist, that does not mean B is racist per se, but it may be very convenient for A if B is known as a racist based on A's accusation, which could be instrumental here. A could be right of course and her/his accusation/opinion could reflect an objective reality. Or not. Nevertheless, people frequently base their actions on what they perceive to be true (or what they have convinced themselves is true) or what they find convenient to believe is true although they know it is not true. John then also namedropped: >>How insensitive (just saw Pat Metheny in Amsterdam doing a brilliant version of this Joao Gilberto classic):<< Written by Tom Jobim, Shirley ? ;-) mike in bcn, still listening to arthurly 'forever changes' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 01:15:32 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: sensitivity Mike from Barcelona, I stand corrected in more ways than one: "Hi John; my straight answer is that I didn't defend the remark at all, ever. " a) I realize that. I just phrased my question clumsily. I should have said something like: "What if the remark had been made by someone who is generally less known for 'usually being a thinker who was probably rambling for three seconds' (or being just ironic, for the effect). Would we, or rather I, be willing to give them as much 'benefit of the doubt', as I (like Mike) do in the case of Elvis Costello? BTW, Mike, I completely agree with what you say and I got that from the first reading already. What I wrote was just loud thinking - not in disagreement, but rather an elaboration. John then also namedropped: >>How insensitive (just saw Pat Metheny in Amsterdam doing a brilliant version of this Joao Gilberto classic):<< Written by Tom Jobim, Shirley ? ;-) b) Yes, it was Jobim. It's just that I played the Joao Gilberto version so often, so I have subconsiously come to associate the song with him. c) How did you know that my cross-dressing name is Shirley? d) Namedropping???? Moi??? Just spoke to Pat and he told me that he is perfectly fine with me dropping his name. Actually, he said that I could drop it wherever I wanted, me being Dutch and all ... [PS It WAS a great concert, last night in Amsterdam]. In all friendship. John ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #138 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?