From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #127 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 30 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 127 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: April 29 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Today's Articles: April 29 ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni Films [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] In Variety [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Joni Films [Rick and Susan ] Re: APPLES TO ORANGES [FredNow@aol.com] [none] ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] APPLES TO ORANGES [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: APPLES TO ORANGES [Jerry Notaro ] Re: how does joni choose her band mates? [FredNow@aol.com] New CSNY book released - (jmdler contributions) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 03:14:43 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 29 On April 29 the following items were published: 1969: "Joni's trek from Canada to Laurel Canyon" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690429tgam.cfm 1972: "McGovern Fund Gala Is Sold Out" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/720429nyt.cfm 1997: "Joni Mitchell Won't Attend Hall of Fame Induction" - Jam! Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970429j.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:22:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Today's Articles: April 29 This is a really good one. Kakki > 1969: "Joni's trek from Canada to Laurel Canyon" - Toronto Globe and Mail > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690429tgam.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:20:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Films <> This is a Bob Dylan documentary/concert film...Joni appears as she was a part of the Rolling Thunder Revue. <> This was a film made up of short subjects...from JM.com: "After spending a few weeks writing a script, choosing the soundtrack, and preparing for her film acting debut, Joni went to Toronto in December 1980 to film her segment as part of a film anthology called "Love". The 9 stories in the movie were all written by women, and they each concerned themselves with the stated subject of love in its many forms. Others involved in the film in addition to Joni were Edna O'Brien, Lady Antonia Fraser, Penelope Gilliatt, Gale Greene, Nancy Dowd, Liv Ullmann, and Mai Zetterling, who directed her own segment, Edna O'Brien's, and Joni's. Joni's 14 1/2 minute vignette presented her as a black male pimp named "ART NOUVEAU", dressed in the same drag she wore on the cover of 1977's "DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER". Joni originally came up with this character when she had to create a persona for a Halloween party. The soundtrack she chose for herself was mostly Miles Davis music, as she told her hometown paper at the start of the project: "My vision of the relationship between the soundtrack and the visuals is very precise. The character I play, for instance, is a Miles Davis fan, and he carries the soundtrack around with him on a big portable cassette player". Joni also contributed the title song "Love", played over the opening credits, which she wrote setting the words of a poem from Corinthians to her music. The film's producers kept extending the release date further and further, a year, then 2 years. As late as 1985 there were still rumblings about a release, but as far as I'm aware, the completed film has never to this day had even one showing in theaters. I have had word of "Love" being shown during small film festival weekends." Bob, playing catch-up... NP: TMBG, "Ana Ng" 2/21/97 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:55:03 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: In Variety Nice photo of Joni in April 22-28 Variety and review of the DVD Last Waltz. Interestingly, they are most critical of The Band's back up of Neil and Joni. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:14:40 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Joni Films > Joni's 14 1/2 minute vignette presented her as a black male pimp named "ART > NOUVEAU", dressed in the same drag she wore on the cover of 1977's "DON JUAN'S > RECKLESS DAUGHTER". > The film's producers kept extending the release date further and further, a > year, then 2 years. As late as 1985 there were still rumblings about a > release, but as far as I'm aware, the completed film has never to this day had > even one showing in theaters. I have had word of "Love" being shown during > small film festival weekends." I saw this film on CBC TV quite a few years ago. Not very good, really. Joni's character is not actually the pimp but a woman dressing up as one for a costume party. I think she sees someone she used to go with or wants to go with or maybe doesn't want to go with at the party. Kind of hazy on that point I guess, but it was a long time ago. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:21:59 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: APPLES TO ORANGES In a message dated 4/29/02 1:48:09 PM, WARREN901 writes: >fred, i don't beleive joni vs. shawn is an apt comparision. ( i'm not familair >with jonatha !) don't get me wrong, i think shawn is wonderfully and have been >loving her work since her debut in 1989. i just can't help but notice that >shawn's work is done mostly with collaborators. ( ie. john leventhal ) Warren, point well taken. And while Jonatha works alone as a writer, it remains to be seen if her body of work will accumulate to the extent that Joni's has. The gist of my opinion was that Shawn (with and without Levanthal) and Jonatha have made music that surpasses much of Joni's post-DJRD music. For sure, there is really no other sole practitioner singer/songwriter/producer who has produced a series of nine consecutive masterpieces (her first nine studio albums). Joni is the rare, once or twice in a lifetime, genius. And once again I'll reaffirm that no perceived failing of her later work can in any way diminish her earlier achievement. >by the way fred, i'm not familiar with >your work, how does it stack up against joni's ? What's that supposed to mean? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: [none] Yeah. There are a couple of spots on C&S that have character marks on them. :) I didn't pull it out to verify but I believe you when you say this is one of the spots. Like your experience, they're in the same place on every copy in every format I've ever heard. Unlike the jazz world, the pop arena has a lot of that. Lama Ken noticed: >>>Now, does anyone notice a static noise in Car On a Hill during the doppler-effect break in the middle of the song. I've listened on many different systems, and I always seem to pick up an overload at one point that turns to static. Ken Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:48:09 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: APPLES TO ORANGES Although not 30 years her junior, the two exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I qualify this as just my opinion? - - -Fred fred, i don't beleive joni vs. shawn is an apt comparision. ( i'm not familair with jonatha !) don't get me wrong, i think shawn is wonderfully and have been loving her work since her debut in 1989. i just can't help but notice that shawn's work is done mostly with collaborators. ( ie. john leventhal ) few songs are written by shawn alone and she doesn't produce herself either ( she has co-produced.) most of her stuff has a sole producing credit of, you guessed it, john leventhal. by the way fred, i'm not familiar with your work, how does it stack up against joni's ? curiously yours, warren keith p.s. again, shawn is one of my favorites after joni. she has been through NC several times and her performances are always excellent !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:47:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: APPLES TO ORANGES WARREN901@aol.com wrote: > by the way fred, i'm not familiar with your work, > how does it stack up against joni's ? Fred is a well-known pianist and premier interpreter of Joni's work, both in concert and on cd. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:03:52 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: how does joni choose her band mates? In a message dated 4/29/02 2:04:57 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: >>If I recall, she once said that >>she has worked with everyone who was on "Kind Of Blue" >>in particular. I'm not aware of Joni having worked with *anyone* on Kind Of Blue: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Cannonball Adderley, Bill Evans, Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers, and Jimmy Cobb. Does anyone have any information that she worked with any of these musicians? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:27:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: New CSNY book released - (jmdler contributions) A few years back Francesco Lucarelli, one of the authors of the two-volume "Crosby, Stills, Nash and Sometimes Young" contacted a few listmembers to request use of their Joni photos in the book set. Francesco was also a listmember here at the time. For those who contributed or may be interested in obtaining the set - it has finally been released in the Netherlands and is available through the Dutch website http://www.gopherpublishers.com (for the English version select "shop" and then type in the title in the search box). Leslie Mixon did contribute a number of her Joni photos and is credited on the website. I think Phyliss and a few others may have also contributed photos. The book has been receiving great reviews. A number of great people were interviewed for the book (including Kate's friend John Gonzales), but it looks like they didn't get a chat with Joni. Here is part of the description from the website: The set is enriched by many first-hand anecdotes and memories contributed by musicians, producers, managers, photographers, CSN associates, fans and by members of "The Lee-Shore", a CSN internet mailing-list. The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: Mike Finnigan, Joe Vitale, George "Chocolate" Perry, Joe Lala, Al Perkins, Dallas Taylor, Chris Hillman, Craig Doerge, James "Hutch" Hutchinson, Russell Kunkel, Ian Wallace, Richie Furay, Nels Gustafson, Dewey Martin & Madeline Golter, Bruce Palmer, Bobby Ingram, Jack Casady, Charles John Quatro, Don Gooch, Stephen Barncard, Bill Halverson, Rance Caldwell, Andrew Gold, Ken Weiss, Glenn Goodwin, John Gonzales, Paul Dieter, Jim Seiter, Henry Diltz, Jackson Browne, David Lindley, Kenny Loggins, Mark "Slick" Aguilar, Donovan, Skip Taylor, Bobby Elliott, Tony Hicks, Terry Sylvester, Jeff Pevar, James Raymond, Chris Stills, James Taylor, Van Dyke Parks, John Sebastian, John Hall, Bruce Cockburn, Steve Gillette, Graham Parker, Rickie Lee Jones, Jack Tempchin, Judy Henske, Country Joe McDonald, Ian Whitcomb, Mark Naftalin, Sam Andrew, Randy Holden, Ed King, Kipp & Pat Lennon (Venice), Alexis Sklarevski, Bob Vogt, Jac Holzman, Simon Posthuma (Seemon & Marijke), John E. Brown, Essra Mohawk, Barry Friedman, Charlie Wine, Tim Rose, Tom Ross, Tom O'Neal Gundelfinger (Dhja Vu cover-photo), Debbie Meister, Tom Campbell, David and Jan Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash. The three volumes will feature work contributed by California-rock photographer extraordinaire Henry Diltz, top "Brit pop" photographer Harry Goodwin, famous 60's photographer Nurit Wilde, Tom O'neal as well as photos by Ian Astle, Roger Barone, Mike Curcuru, Tom Davis, David Tulsky, A. Marc Shamblin, Leslie Mixon, Laurens van Houten and many others. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:21:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New CSNY book released - (jmdler contributions) <> One of the highlights of my NYC trip this weekend was our excursion into Soho on Sunday for the 3-day Diltz exhibit. Patrick met Stephen & I at the gallery, and we took it all in, and there was a LOT to see. Henry was there, wandering around, talking to customers about the photo shoots. There were 4 gorgeous photos of Joni, from 1970-72 era, and of course lots of others of Jackson, Zappa, Neil, CSNY, and some just released new shots of Janis and many many others. He had a couple of album covers up with the photos beside them. And all of them (autographed & numbered by Diltz) were for sale! It was hard for me to resist buying the small size of 1 or 2, but as you can imagine the price was fairly steep. But it was neat to see them anyway! Bob NP: Eddie From Ohio, "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" 9/28/91 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:35:26 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Joni's audio Ken noticed: > >>>Now, does anyone notice a static noise in Car On a > Hill during the > doppler-effect break in the middle of the song. And Jim replied: > Yeah. There are a couple of spots on C&S that have > character marks on them. :) I didn't pull it out to > verify but I believe you when you say this is one of > the spots. Like your experience, they're in the same > place on every copy in every format I've ever heard. > > Unlike the jazz world, the pop arena has a lot of > that. I find this post interesting in relation to the article that Kakki so very kindly singled out from the Toronto Globe & Mail from 1969. Joni talked about starting with a producer when she recorded 'Clouds' but then deciding to go it on her own because she felt stifled. She confesses that the sound isn't as good as it could be 'but at least I know I'm doing what I want to do.' So it seems that in 1969, anyway, sonic perfection was not one of her goals. Kakki was right. This is a very interesting article and it seems that many of Joni's characteristics as an artist back then are still very much part of her makeup today. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #127 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?