From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #124 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 124 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: April 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: April 26 [les@jmdl.com] Songs to a JJ Enright ["William" ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni and Carey [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Priests and STAS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #123 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Introduction + [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Songs to a JJ Enright [anne@sandstrom.com] JC versus (the other) [Lori in MD ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Modified 2002 [les ] Re: Introduction + [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Latter-Day Joni [Lori in MD ] RE: Latter-Day Joni [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] how does joni choose her band mates? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: RE: Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Transcribing Joni stories ["Kakki" ] Re: Priests and STAS ["Kakki" ] Re: Transcribing Joni stories ["Kakki" ] Prairie Joan [Lori in MD ] Re: Joni and Carey [Les Irvin ] Re: Latter-Day Joni [colin ] Everything I am [les ] Life as a house: Joni placement [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Introduction + ["Mark or Travis" ] Last Waltz and "Contempt Prior to Investigation" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] A very humour game [scam1 ] Re: A very humour game - Virus alert [Les Irvin ] Re: Introduction + ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A very humour game - Virus info [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:04:25 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 26 On April 26 in history: 1969: Joni headlines at New York City's Fillmore East tonight, performing two shows at 8 and 11:30 PM. Also on the bill are Taj Mahal and the Joshua Light Show. The James Cotton Blues Band were originally also scheduled to appear on the bill but apparently cancelled. 1983: Joni performs at the Koninklijk Circus in Brussels ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:04:25 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 26 On April 26 the following items were published: 1967: "This Issue's Cover - Joni Mitchell" - Broadside (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/670426b.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ 2000: "The Second Coming of Joni Mitchell" - Hotpress (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000426hp.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:23:40 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Songs to a JJ Enright Mia wrote; <<>> One would assume the photo was taken in NYC (just) before the release of the album in March '68, during that winter of '67/'68. If you could get access to NYC store records dating back to then you could work out the exact street, (I've had a quick search to no avail). The sign on the right says; JJ ENRIGHT TENTS COTS BLANKETS 2nd FLOOR A teddy bear? Could be - it looks like one of those furry hot water bottles albeit a tad on the large side; though what would that round knobularesque cylindrical thang be protruding? Curiouser and curiouser. As for the maternity clothes - I see what you mean here too; tho' wasn't she pregnant in '64? This would mean the photo was taken long before the release of the album, which of course is possible. Have a great weekend! Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:11:20 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + Engwall57@aol.com writes: >Regarding the "is Joni's older work more melodic" discussion, imho, the >breakup with LK and the joys/sorrows of reuniting with Kilauren have knocked >the wind out of her sails. I do not think she has yet recovered. Except that what I consider to be her older work is pre-Mingus, before even meeting Larry Klein or finding her daughter. >She has given a lot more than most in >this world. I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from her. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:48:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carey <> Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the "articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and there are plenty more. Let's tawk! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:57:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Priests and STAS <> Hi Mia, and a belated welcome to you!! The photographer, Mark Roth, was interviewed by Wally Breese in 1997. I read the interview a long time ago, so I don't recall if he answered these questions specifically, but it's a great read, I DO remember that: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Roth98.html Hopefully this won't discourage the thread/discussion, but rather help to flesh it out a bit. Also, I wanted to say that your comment about The Priest in reference to her marriage to Chuck was very astute. I never thought about that but it certainly works. Now that you've used your voice here, keep it up! Bob NP: Cornelius, "Bird Watching at Inner Forest" PS: As synchronicity would have it, I have a box of very cool stuff heading your way this very day! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:00:44 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #123 I've been a Joni fan since 1971 ... and just this week watch Painting with Words and Music. What a treat. I do wonder why she chose this setting for her Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award to be presented. Any ideas? Also I've been lurking for three years now .. with an occasional post here and there. I have to say the last week or so of post have been very interesting. I've always wished I could join in on some of these header conversations ... looking and longing on the sly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:27:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Introduction + FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in > these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever > diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from > her. > > -Fred I've agreed with Fred in all of this thread. I think he would also say (correct me if I'm wrong) that even her post Mingus work as a whole stands well above even in comparison to the work of those 30 years her junior. Jerry np: Prince - ACOY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Songs to a JJ Enright > << been > driving me crazy for years! Does anyone know when and where this picture was > taken? And what is she holding in her arms? It almost looks like a teddy > bear. And could those be maternity clothes?>>> > I've always assumed it was taken in NYC also. It was taken by Mark Roth. I've always thought she was wearing maternity clothes too. And it does look like a teddy bear to me. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: JC versus (the other) Is it just me, or has there really been more JC than NJC here of late? Lovin' it, Lori ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:11:21 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + In a message dated 4/26/02 7:27:55 AM, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> >>I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in >>these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever >>diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from >>her. > >I've agreed with Fred in all of this thread. I think he would also say >(correct me if I'm wrong) that even her post Mingus work as a whole stands well >above even in comparison to the work of those 30 years her junior. I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I qualify this as just my opinion? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:08:28 -0400 From: les Subject: Modified 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:42:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Introduction + FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > > I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would > further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of > those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two > exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is > better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I > qualify this as just my opinion? > > -Fred And maybe Ani. And from the way Shawn speaks of Joni, especially Night Ride Home, even she might not agree. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + In a message dated 4/26/02 11:43:01 AM, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would >> further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of >> those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two >> exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is >> better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I >> qualify this as just my opinion? > >And maybe Ani. And from the way Shawn speaks of Joni, especially Night >Ride Home, even she might not agree. The little I've heard of Ani's didn't do much for me musically. And Shawn is too humble. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:53:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Latter-Day Joni Just out of curiosity, I would be interested in knowing which song selections off of post-HOSL recordings do people find especially noteworthy or just plain listenable? My list is as follows: The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey The Moon at the Window (hate to say it, but I couldn't get into the "happy" songs on WTRF) Ladies Man Man to Man Impossible Dreamer Shiny Toys Lucky Girl Secret Place Lakota Cherokee Louise Two Grey Rooms The Only Joy in Town Come in From the Cold Magdalene Laundries (I haven't acquired TI yet, so I only know this song from Misses) Sex Kills Harlem in Havana Lead Balloon Man From Mars I like a lot of her other material on these CD's, but these are the songs that stick in my mind. How about everyone else? [Joke: How many Richmonders does it take to change a light bulb? One to change it, six to talk about how much better the old one was.} Regards, Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:11:49 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni Oops - I should have said post-DJRD, not HOSL. I loved Hejira and DJRD unreservedly! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni Ruthie, I notice that your list doesn't include anything from Hejira. That's interesting ... what is your opinion of that album? Off the top of my head, noteworthy/listenable post-HOSL songs include: Amelia Blue Motel Room Hejira Refuge Of The Roads Cotton Avenue Paprika Plains Off Night Backstreet The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines God Must Be A Boogie Man Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody Be Cool Moon At The Window Ladies' Man Man To Man Good Friends Shiny Toys Lucky Girl Impossible Dreamer Cool Water A Bird That Whistles Nothing Can Be Done The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) Two Grey Rooms How Do You Stop [I know Hartman and Midnight wrote it, but Joni does it so well] Man From Mars Lead Balloon At Last [again not Joni's, but it's great] Both Sides Now [from BSN] > [Joke: How many Richmonders does it take to change a light bulb? One to > change it, six to talk about how much better the old one was.} Ruthie, that's very funny (especially to a "Yankee" in Maryland)! Lori in MD/DC ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:38:55 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Latter-Day Joni For me from her most recent work (post DJRD) the following are essential cuts. Chair in the Sky Love Impossible Dreamer Lakota (preferably the live version) Passion Play Slouching toward Bethlehem Two Grey Rooms Sunny Sunday The Magdalene Launderies Yvette in English Man from Mars Love Puts on a New Face Stay in Touch Facelift A Case of You ( off BSN because it is probably the most divine piece of music ever to be borne on the wind since the world began.....If the first sound to be created on a brand new world anywhere in the multiverse were to be anything, it'd have to be this version of this song.....So that it would act as the sonic reference point for all other utterances, the sound of the wind, the call of the first creatures.....Did I mention that I really like this song.) Les (losing it.) notmimh (now occuring to me in my head) - Friday.....I now realise why it's called friday, cause by this point in the goddam week, I am completely fried. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: how does joni choose her band mates? You mean does she recite "ee-nie mee-nie mine-ie mo?" I don't think so. You don't pick Shorter and Hancock and Blade by accident. In the olde days though, it seemed like she worked with people close by, like conscripting Stills to play bass. (As Jerry Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrooooong with that.") She's said that since she loved lurrrrrved Miles! Davis, she purposely hunted down folks who produced that sound for him. If I recall, she once said that she has worked with everyone who was on "Kind Of Blue" in particular. Good question, but could we please get back to gay marriage? Ever the instigator, Lama Mags wondered: >>I was wondering if anyone knows how Joni chooses her band mates?>> Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering Blasphemer! Heretic! Off with her head! Gees Anne, you beat cancer TWICE only to be killed by YOUR FRIENDS! :) Well, hmmm. I'm conflicted about discussing this. On the one hand, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is a desert island disc to me. I wouldn't change a metaphorical hair on it's amazingly wide-ranging-stylistic and lyrically-deep head. I'm mean, I'm afraid that lightning will strike me dead from a clear sky just to ponder this. But..... To me, the piano sound on "For The Roses" sounds more like David Lahm in Michael Paz'es living room. I mean, FTR sounds more realistic than any of the other albums. In that regard, I'd agree. Furthermore, while I love "Court And Spark", it sounds better in the car and coming out of a K-Mart PA than it does on premium vinyl. But there are many, many areas where the ultimate sound fidelity doesn't matter one whit, that I've grown tired of hearing myself complain about dynamics, transparency, & room sound. Can you listen to Louis Armstrong in the "Hot Fives" sessions? Of course. Would you rather listen *exclusively* to Boney James because the sound is clearer? Not me. So, for me, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is a full glass, briming over with exquisite stuff. Ultimate fidelity isn't one of them but it's a full glass anyway. To paraphrase Fred Simon, she makes music as well as humans can make it. All the best, Lama (posting on lunch break... a first) Anne Sandstrom said, >>I was wondering if others found the 'mix' of SoSC disturbing - like the bass is too hot or something. I've always thought it could have been engineered much better than it is. (I used to think it was just a flaw on the vinyl, but I hear the same thing on the CD.)>> Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:15:11 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Latter-Day Joni Wow! I haven't even listened to the BSN CD yet! You have me convinced that I need to. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:43:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Transcribing Joni stories Bob, I was thinking about how there are maybe of them in the early days (and they are easier to hear, too, in the smaller venues). Her stories from the more recent concerts tend to be duplicated somewhat in each city/venue (but they are still good). Which stories have you transcribed and are they anywhere on the JMDL website? (Don't want to duplicate your work! ;-) Kakki > Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the > "articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful > Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and > there are plenty more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:48:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Priests and STAS Welcome to the list, Mia! Your take on the "Priest Song" is great and the first time I've heard it connected to the situation with Joni and Chuck. It totally makes sense to me, too! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:50:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Transcribing Joni stories oops, maybe *more* of them in the early days > I was thinking about how there are maybe of them in the early days Have a great time in New York, Bob and the gang! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Prairie Joan I just finished typing an interesting article about Joni, which Les will add to the JMDL Library soon. This 1990 piece is titled, "On Being A Flatlander," and here's an excerpt which fans of Paprika Plains should find interesting (I did, anyway): __________ Similarly, she recalls a Winnepeg coffeehouse during which the audience cleared out in mid-performance when the skies exploded in a cloudburst. The plains, she laughs. The only place where Ive been upstaged by the rain. But I understand. When you are of the prairies, you know that theres something very natural about that. __________ Lori in MD npimh: "Back in my hometown They would have cleared the floor Just to watch the rain come down They're such sky oriented people Geared to changing weather" ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:48:49 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni and Carey At 4/26/2002 05:48 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the >"articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful >Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and >there are plenty more. I'd love to feature a section devoted to these stories on the site. Anyone interested in heading up the project? Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:08:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni After hejira; Talk to Me Dreamland The Tenth World(is that what it is called?) Chinese Cafe Tax Free Good Friends Three Great Stimulants Lakota Nothing Can Be Done NRH Slouching Toward Behtlehem Come in From The Cold Passion Play Sex Kills Magdelene Laudries Jobs sad song Not To Blame Borderline Harlem In Havana No Apologies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:14:31 -0400 From: les Subject: Everything I am ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:10:10 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Life as a house: Joni placement I had what was rather quickly scheduled neo-emergency dental surgery today, that ripped teeth out of my jaw, or at least one tooth but does it damn hurt and if I didn't have prescriptions for both Darvocet and Vicodin to beat back the pain I wouldn't be able to stop screaming long enough to type the following: I am sure this has been covered before, I faintly remember it, but, in that I am confined to home tonight, I rented a bunch of dvds including the Kevin Klein movie, Life as a House, and lo and behold right in the middle of the movie is our Joni singing Clouds from BSN! Oh, did that sound lovely! The movie is ok,was wishing it was more fulfiling of its promise, great concept bur things are getting resolved too easily, but wow, was it nice to hear Joni so unexpectedly! And as I am popping pills all through this movie, it is interesting that the characters are likewise downing drugs right and left, and even more, the same drugs as me! Talk about product placement for Darvocet and Vicodin! But I digress... I have never heard Joni used more effectively in a movie - that BSN version of Clouds just leaps right out at you and grabs you, the director did it well, prior to Joni there was total silence other than dialogue for a few minutes and then all of a sudden, Joni is heard -- it was really a pleasant surprise, and very beautiful. The sax solo, it never sounded lovelier. Just so evocative! I am about 3/4 of the way through the movie and still have yet to see the big finish, taking a packing my mouth with ice to stem the bleeding and swelling break, and the sounds of Joni are still wafting through my dazed and addled and empty little head. Oh, I also have to eat cold things today to keep the swelling down and tried today for the fikrst time ever an ice-cream type thing made from soy milk, called Organic Soy, I got the chocolate fudge flavor (with carob, not chocolate) and damn this stuff is tasty! Never would have thought! Bleeding gums and a mouth of ice and pain, organic soy milk frozen concoction and Vicodin and Darvocet and Joni - does life get any better than this? Those folks in NYC for the Bob Fest have nothing on me! (the Rev) Vince PS Have a great time, Bob and everyone!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering > Blasphemer! Heretic! Off with her head! > > Gees Anne, you beat cancer TWICE only to be killed by > YOUR FRIENDS! :) ROTFLMAO!!! Best laugh I've had all day :-) I guess the ol' ears are going too... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:35:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Introduction + Although not 30 years her junior, the two > exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is > better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I > qualify this as just my opinion? > > -Fred > I would say so, yes. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:20:55 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Last Waltz and "Contempt Prior to Investigation" A quick report -- I saw The Last Waltz last night -- what a treat. Lots of great performances (and Neil Diamond, just kidding, he sounded fine), interwoven with interviews of a very stoned Robbie Robertson and other very stoned Band members. Joni looked stunningly lovely, with flawless skin and stick-straight hair. She also seemed somewhat uncomfortable on the stage, especially during the all-star rendition of I Shall Be Released. Van Morrison (wow, what a voice) really belted his song and was actually kind of sexy. See this film if you can. I'm a little disheartened by reports of advance disdain for the upcoming collection (simply because it will not consist of new compositions). I await it with fond and cheerful anticipation. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:53:04 -0400 From: scam1 Subject: A very humour game This is a very humour game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would enjoy it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:09:46 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: A very humour game - Virus alert At 4/26/2002 09:53 PM, scam1 really *didn't* wrote: >This is a very humour game >This game is my first work. >You're the first player. >I hope you would enjoy it. This appears to be the first incident of a bad virus going around folks... I hope everyone has their virus software up to date. Fortunately, Smoe strips the attachments, but one can never be too safe, I guess. Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:24:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Introduction + >>>Although not 30 years her junior, the two exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I qualify this as just my opinion? - - -Fred<<< Fred, are you my twin separated at birth? Except I don't know that much about jazz... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:09:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A very humour game - Virus info Here's some info about this virus. It mentions the use of the word "humour" in the subject line. And I am so glad to know that our beloved Mrs. Cameron hasn't become an alcoholic writer of bad haiku-like poetry. (I was worried until Les cleared this up!) --Bob WORM WATCH Evil e-mail tricks PC users 'Klez' disguises self with variety of subjects, senders - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Posted: April 25, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Joe Kovacs ) 2002 WorldNetDaily.com If you're seeing a sudden surge in the amount of e-mail in your inbox, chances are it has little do with your popularity. Delete buttons on personal computers are getting a workout this week thanks to a tricky e-mail worm tunneling across America and the rest of the world. Known as "Klez," the worm has been bombarding mailboxes with unsolicited messages, replicating itself and changing its own appearance by displaying a variety of subjects and senders. "It's a worm that spreads really quickly," said Sharon Ruckman, senior director for anti-virus software maker Symantec's security response team. "And it carries an additional payload that can do some damage." That additional payload is a virus known as "Elkern," which tries to infect other systems by sharing information. When combined with Klez, the two create problems that go beyond large amounts of incoming mail. "It can release confidential information on your system which is never a good thing to have happen," Ruckman told WorldNetDaily. "It also has the ability to remove anti-virus software." Klez is more deceptive than some previous problem e-mails, as it has a wide variety of titles displayed in the subject line, and can latch on to an e-mail address of someone a user knows and insert it in the "From" field, making users more apt to open it and thus get infected. Some of the titles listed in infected mails include: a.. how are you b.. let's be friends c.. darling d.. so cool a flash,enjoy it e.. your password f.. honey g.. some questions h.. please try again i.. welcome to my hometown j.. The Garden of Eden k.. introduction on ADSL l.. meeting notice m.. questionnaire n.. congratulations o.. sos! p.. japanese girl VS playboy q.. look,my beautiful girl friend r.. eager to see you s.. spice girls' vocal concert t.. japanese lass' sexy pictures Klez also uses some combinations of random words in subject lines, to make it even more confusing. The random words include: a.. new b.. funny c.. nice d.. humour e.. excite f.. good g.. powful h.. WinXP i.. IE 6.0 j.. W32.Elkern k.. W32.Klez.E l.. Symantec m.. Mcafee n.. F-Secure o.. Sophos p.. Trendmicro q.. Kaspersky Some messages even appear to be trying to help PC users by offering a patch or removal tool for Klez or Elkern, but are nothing more than the worm itself. "They're trying to get people to open it," Ruckman said regarding the virus writers' clever deception skills. She adds her company does not e-mail people randomly with removal tools. Symantec has ranked Klez at a category 3 medium risk on a scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being the most dangerous. "That means it's spreading in the wild more quickly, but it's not as serious as [other viruses like] Melissa or LoveBug," Ruckman said. She also says the Nimda virus which debuted last year is still problematic. According to anti-virus software maker Trend Micro's world virus tracking center, Elkern and Klez are currently the top two ranked viruses. In the past 24 hours, they are estimated to have infected over 400,000 files globally. Several strategies can be employed in preventing computers from being infected. Home PC users should avoid opening the messages and delete e-mails with attachments, especially if something appears strange in the subject or sender's line. "Don't be curious about e-mail," Ruckman said. "Just delete it." Once deleted, users should also empty their trash bins. She also recommends having anti-virus software on your machine, plus the "latest and greatest software patches," which can be downloaded from Microsoft. Corporate e-mail users can have their system administrators attack the problem by filtering out certain attachments and subject lines at the gateway of their mail servers. If a computer has been infected, free removal tools are available from both Symantec and Trend Micro. But despite assurances from anti-virus companies, some organizations like ACT Teleconferencing in Hong Kong are having trouble curing the problem. "Irrespective of what Symantec or other vendors say, there has been no way to stop this worm in the short term," Bob Deverell of ACT told the South China Morning Post this week. "We have been struggling to clean our machines," he said. "We haven't been able to stop it and we're very competent." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #124 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?