From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #121 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 24 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 121 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Cohen as "Priest" (peripheral JC) ["Kakki" ] RE: Priests ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Re: Is early joni really more melodic ? [Merk54@aol.com] fiction or nonfiction? [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:06:18 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 I would add my dittos to David and Bob M and Rose et al. Let's all try to come up with an idea asap. I will try to come up with my feeble one by tomorrow - let's each try for one. Rose - is there a yes list yet ? Bob S "FWIW, I too would prefer being in a talking rather than a listening-to-music environment. What I look forward too--if my schedule permits--is being with each other." DAVID LAHM "I whole-heartedly agree, David...I assure you that I'll be more interested in talking and listening to my old & new pals, and in the midst of live music, it can be more difficult to do that as well as be very rude to the performer. I'm trying to get all my sleep in this week so I won't have to close my eyes any this weekend! :~)" Bob (Muller) From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 "Well, where would you suggest David, since you're a native of the city?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:33:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cohen as "Priest" (peripheral JC) Mark wrote: > I think it was Pat 'Sire of Sorrow' who posted about this song and Leonard > Cohen. Part of the connection I believe was in the name 'Cohen' which means > 'member of the Jewish priestly class descended from Aaron' according to > Random House Webster's College Dictionary. There was also some connection > to 'his father's tie'. Or maybe that was 'your father's gun' from 'Rainy > Night House.' I read portions of a book once that discussed Cohen's stint as a monk, but cannot recall the title. I looked over at Leonardcohen.com and in the Bio section it mentions his time at a Zen Buddhist retreat in Southern California in the early 90s which would make that phase of his life subsequent to Joni's song. However, as many have noted, he made his "saintly" allusions way back when, so I am open to the "Priest" song having some connection to him. He is a brilliant, brilliant man. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:47:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Priests >>That's interesting Kate, I thought I did read something to that effect about Cohen, or at least he spent some time at a monastery?<< here is an excerpt from his bio at leonardcohen.com: "Shortly after touring in support of The Future, Cohen began spending more and more time at a Zen retreat high atop Mt. Baldy in Southern California. He spent most of his time meditating, working on koans and cooking for his teacher, Sasaki Roshi. While Cohen was residing at Mt. Baldy, Leanne Ungar and Bob Metzger produced a live album, Cohen Live (1994), a collection culled from Cohens 1988 and 1993 tours. In 1999, after nearly five years at Mt. Baldy, during which time Cohen was ordained as a Zen monk and given the Dharma name of Jikan (Silent One), he came down from the mountain armed with hundreds of new poems and song lyrics." ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:31:59 -0400 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Is early joni really more melodic ? Bob, What a nice read that was. Critical, but never cruel. Full of all sorts of interesting insights. I'm going to have to read this one a few more times! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: fiction or nonfiction? All this discussion of 'pornographic watches' , especially the discusion of the priest being Leonard Cohen, got me thinking once more about something I've pondered from time t time: We are all aware I'm sure of Joni's reputation for writing confessional lyrics. But, do we know for sure that her songs are true and/or about her own life experiences? I may be way off base here, but it seems to me that Joni would be perfectly capable of writing fictional songs. A lot of discussion has centered around who a particular song is about. When I read these posts, I always think 'how do we know they are about anyone?' Is there a definitive source for this? Has Joni mentioned in interviews that particular songs are based on real people and experiences? If not, how can we be sure they are 'true', or at the very least, not composites of several events/persons? Anyone have opinions/comments on this? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #121 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?