From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 115 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: I missed you all! ["Kakki" ] Joni, Yes and Dr Livingston ["William" ] Re: Bob Muller [Jerry Notaro ] Soul Picnic-Laura Nyro-NEW BIO [JSerkes@aol.com] Re: Re: More about Covers & Numbers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] SOUL PICNIC [JSerkes@aol.com] RE: Joni and Chanting ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: shadows and light ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Half asleep in Gator Jammies VLJC [Alison E ] Revisiting Taming The Tiger [Lori in MD ] Talk about Yes? [Relayer211@aol.com] Calling typists, again... (fjc) [Les Irvin ] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger [Mike Friedman ] Re: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Kakki" ] Re: Calling typists, again... (fjc) [Lori in MD ] Re: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Mark or Travis" ] Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 ["patrick leader" ] My connection with Joni and Yes [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Judy Collins / Wildflowers / Albatross - SJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Today in History: April 19th [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger ["Kakki" ] RE Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 2 ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:39:27 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I missed you all! Welcome back, Relayer! I've been wondering where you were - especially with all the Yes talk here recently! Kakki > Hi everyone!I hope you are all well.I missed you!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:50:37 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Joni, Yes and Dr Livingston Y'all put me in the mood for some Yes. I pulled out my old 12 inch CTTE and Relayer. So interesting. Then I put on Paprika Plains and wow! The sensibilities! These guys, I include Joni, were not afraid to explore. There's an understated granduer to Joni's music; a granduer which is very evident in Yes. Led Zeppelin too. What was it Jimmy Page said about Joni, circa '72? Going to California. Explorers who take us with them. If you compare the lyrics of DJRD to the poem on the inner sleeve of Relayer, seems there's a similarity. Snakes are coiled upon the granite ... There's definitely some kinda connection between Joni and Yes. Damned if I can put my finger on it. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:19:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Bob Muller William wrote: > If God exists, James Lipton wants to know what Bob Muller would like to hear > God say at the Pearly Gates. Bob says, Well, Bob. Here's the real Joni Box Set. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:36:30 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Soul Picnic-Laura Nyro-NEW BIO I wanted this group to know that the definitive bio of Laura Nyro is OUT. Written by Michele Kort it is an incredible journey into the life and muse of Nyro. Nyro was very private, and did things her own way. This book is a blessing of her family, friends, and muses. Michele is a friend of mine, and the inception of the book, was a part of a process we both had to do art around her. Enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:40:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: More about Covers & Numbers <<....well...there are 10 original songs on Clouds (I got out the cd & looked just to be sure).>> And right you are, Mark...so just to complete the corrected entry: Clouds: 10 original songs, 9 covers "The Gallery" remains the only one that has not been covered TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. However, if anybody knows of one, I'd love to be wrong again! :~) Bob NP: Meat Puppets, "Scum" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:13:10 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: SOUL PICNIC Oh by the way, the Bio on Nyro is entitled "SOUL PICNIC" Michele Kort is the author. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:46:21 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: Joni and Chanting I totally understand the "chanting aspect" of joni's music. I would have to say that several songs on Chalk Mark in A Rain Storm work that way for me, like Number One, and Lakota.. that works well lyrically and rhythmically (the drumming and bass adds to this effect). God Must be a Boogie Man might be a runner up as well. Blair ;) NP: "Chair in the Sky" The Mitchell >to' listen. As for Joni there is certainly depth to her music! and >painting >for that matter. I guess if I were to pin one of Joni's albums (CD's) as >mystical abstraction ... I would choose Hejira. Then there is the chanting >aspect of Sweet Bird. "guesses based on what each set of time and change >is >touching" Can anyone else think of other songs by Joni that have a >chanting >aspect to them? > >Heather _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:53:12 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: shadows and light All I can say is that I was transformed by this video when I first saw it in 97'. Yes, on the back of my copy it says that "Edith and the Kingpin" is on the video but was deleted for what reason I am not sure. And the Hejira video with the Ice Skater is not on there either. Nontheless, I was transfixed by all the imagery and the top notch performance. I would lend it out to all my friends so they could enjoy it as well. My friend Christine mentioned that David Bowie could do a good Joni Mitchell and I have to agree, they have similar jaw structure. I would watch Shadows and Light day and night and I still love it, I should get the full version on DVD someday when it is affordable. ONe of my favorite sequences would be during Furry Sings the Blues when the camera jumps to a cut of Joni dressed up as her character (the one from the LOVE movie and notorious miles davis loving pimp). I wish that would have gone on longer. I still get shivers when I hear the S&L version of Shadows and Light. Blair :) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Half asleep in Gator Jammies VLJC - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Dylan and Rufus Wainwright got > busted smiking cigarettes (not cool in California > restaurants). "He was > smoking American Spirits-that's what Joni Mitchell > smokes, too" reports the > eagle-eyed Wainwright. "I gotta switch brands > immediately." i read about this somewhere else, where rufus was complaining that he had been seated at a "nowhere" table, in a back corner, and was pissed off till one of his fellow tablemates sat down--and it was bob dylan. they made a pact to light up and fuck the consequences and were "politely" guided outside to a "private" (read: hidden) smoking area. i can't remember where i read that, though. alison e. in slc incidently, as i did the snooze button dance with my alarm as i do every morning, i was finally awoken properly with AMELIA! it's so nice to wake up to a joni song unexpectedly. plus i was only 10 minutes late for work. np: frank zappa, muffin man. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Yesterday's mail brought an "Album Advance" copy of TTT, which I recently won on eBay. The CD is contained in a simple black & white cardboard sleeve, and the CD label is black & white as well. TTT was the only Joni I didn't have, which is to say that I actually had it twice but gave those copies to friends who were TTT-less. (There's a joke in there, I know.) There has been a space for it in my CD player (similar to Coyote Rick's, it holds 400 disks), but I hadn't been in a hurry to fill it because, to date, it has been my least favorite Joni album. I never before took the time to consider WHY it's been my least favorite. I originally bought it the day of release, and I listened to it enough to know most of the words to most of the songs, but -- with one exception -- I found the album underwhelming. And so it remains, and I think I've determined why: for the most part, the writing seems shallow, like Joni's heart wasn't really in it. It's almost as if she had to meet a contract requirement and so cranked out an album of songs that were leftovers. I love a lot of the jazzy melodies and the way they're played, but the lyrics just leave me ... wanting. Obviously one exception would be "Stay In Touch," although that's not the song that gets to me. It's "Man From Mars," not so much because of the lyrics themselves (or the fact that they're about Joni's cat), but because the lyrics and melody together so acutely evoke a deep sense of LOSS. After hearing it this morning in the car, I found myself crying silently on the train as the song played in my head. I think MFM is the only Joni song that does that to me. That's it. Just thought I'd surprise everyone and actually write a little JC for a change. : ) Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:02:26 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Talk about Yes? What's the talk been about?Joni and Yes playing together in the near future?wouldm't that be great? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:12:31 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Calling typists, again... (fjc) Joniphiles- My thanks to all who have volunteered in the past to type articles for the Library database. It is greatly appreciated. Items are coming in fast and furious these days and there are many still to be typed. I've set up an automatic system (oh no!!!.... run away!!!) on the website for these new articles so that I don't have to bother the list each time with typing requests. So... whenever I am in need of some typing, a blurb will appear on the main Library page at http://www.jmdl.com/articles. There, you'll be able to choose what you want to type and download them on your own. Thanks in advance for the help! Les - who realizes it is not the year 2525 yet... Jim must have had the wrong SS#. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:15:16 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Lori and all, Also good to point out about Joni not having her heart in the music may show in the performances she gave that year with Bob. I recall the album had just come out two months prior and the only new song she performed was "the Crazy Cries of Love" and i was hoping to hear "Harlem in Havana" and or "Man from Mars" live at the time. Good point to look at. The other thing to consider is that she had an alotted time to perform and wanted to keep it familiar? Blair > >Yesterday's mail brought an "Album Advance" copy of TTT, which I recently >won on eBay. The CD is contained in a simple black & white cardboard >sleeve, and the CD label is black & white as well. > >TTT was the only Joni I didn't have, which is to say that I actually had it >twice but gave those copies to friends who were TTT-less. (There's a joke >in there, I know.) There has been a space for it in my CD player (similar >to Coyote Rick's, it holds 400 disks), but I hadn't been in a hurry to fill >it because, to date, it has been my least favorite Joni album. > >I never before took the time to consider WHY it's been my least favorite. >I originally bought it the day of release, and I listened to it enough to >know most of the words to most of the songs, but -- with one exception -- I >found the album underwhelming. > >And so it remains, and I think I've determined why: for the most part, the >writing seems shallow, like Joni's heart wasn't really in it. It's almost >as if she had to meet a contract requirement and so cranked out an album of >songs that were leftovers. I love a lot of the jazzy melodies and the way >they're played, but the lyrics just leave me ... wanting. > >Obviously one exception would be "Stay In Touch," although that's not the >song that gets to me. It's "Man From Mars," not so much because of the >lyrics themselves (or the fact that they're about Joni's cat), but because >the lyrics and melody together so acutely evoke a deep sense of LOSS. >After hearing it this morning in the car, I found myself crying silently on >the train as the song played in my head. I think MFM is the only Joni song >that does that to me. > >That's it. Just thought I'd surprise everyone and actually write a little >JC for a change. : ) > >Lori > >~ >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:29:03 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger <> She did Facelift too, Blair, but not at the Cole Field House show that you saw (that's on its way to you ;~)). But I think you make a good point. MfM would have been great to hear live, I wasn't expecting her to do HiH because of the studio complexities, the overlayered vocals, guitars, etc. <> I think too that she was sticking to songs she has played a lot live; this tour was put together late in the game & there was not a lot of rehearsal time. And Joni would not want to perform underrehearsed, I don't think. As the tour progressed, she was able to add some numbers (DJRD, Song For Sharon, BSN). I don't think it was familiarity as much as songs that she felt she & the band could do well. Bob NP: Teddy Edwards, "I'm Not Your Fool Anymore" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Calling typists, again... (fjc) > So... whenever I am in need of some typing, a blurb will appear on the main > Library page at http://www.jmdl.com/articles. There, you'll be able to > choose what you want to type and download them on your own. Well heck, I tried to send this once but Yahoo burped and I don't know if it went out, so ... Les, that's great! Thanks! Not to bother you further, but will there be any way for us to determine if an article has already been downloaded for typing? As I write this, it occurs to me that some folks may download articles just to read. Perhaps those of us who type can communicate with each other that "a work is in progress?" Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:59:47 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Interesting you should say this. I went with a friend with only a passing acquaintance with Joni and he thought she was incredible. It was my first time seeing her in concert too, and I was blown away. Ben especially liked "Amelia" (always a favorite song of mine). On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 10:15 AM, Blair Fraipont wrote: > Lori and all, > Also good to point out about Joni not having her heart in the music > may show in the performances she gave that year with Bob. I recall the > album had just come out two months prior and the only new song she > performed was "the Crazy Cries of Love" and i was hoping to hear "Harlem > in Havana" and or "Man from Mars" live at the time. Good point to look > at. The other thing to consider is that she had an alotted time to > perform and wanted to keep it familiar? > Blair > > > > > > >> >> Yesterday's mail brought an "Album Advance" copy of TTT, which I >> recently won on eBay. The CD is contained in a simple black & white >> cardboard sleeve, and the CD label is black & white as well. >> >> TTT was the only Joni I didn't have, which is to say that I actually had >> it twice but gave those copies to friends who were TTT-less. (There's a >> joke in there, I know.) There has been a space for it in my CD player >> (similar to Coyote Rick's, it holds 400 disks), but I hadn't been in a >> hurry to fill it because, to date, it has been my least favorite Joni >> album. >> >> I never before took the time to consider WHY it's been my least favorite. >> I originally bought it the day of release, and I listened to it enough >> to know most of the words to most of the songs, but -- with one >> exception -- I found the album underwhelming. >> >> And so it remains, and I think I've determined why: for the most part, >> the writing seems shallow, like Joni's heart wasn't really in it. It's >> almost as if she had to meet a contract requirement and so cranked out >> an album of songs that were leftovers. I love a lot of the jazzy >> melodies and the way they're played, but the lyrics just leave me ... >> wanting. >> >> Obviously one exception would be "Stay In Touch," although that's not >> the song that gets to me. It's "Man From Mars," not so much because of >> the lyrics themselves (or the fact that they're about Joni's cat), but >> because the lyrics and melody together so acutely evoke a deep sense of >> LOSS. After hearing it this morning in the car, I found myself crying >> silently on the train as the song played in my head. I think MFM is the >> only Joni song that does that to me. >> >> That's it. Just thought I'd surprise everyone and actually write a >> little JC for a change. : ) >> >> Lori >> >> ~ >> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger I think the point Blair was making was that Joni didn't have her heart in TTT, and so she played very little from it. And that IS interesting, because Joni has certainly been known for performing what she wants when she wants, regardless of time constraints or the crowd yelling out requests. There's no doubt that she's fabulous in concert, regardless of what she chooses to play. Mike wrote: > Interesting you should say this. I went with a friend with only a passing > acquaintance with Joni and he thought she was incredible. It was my first > time seeing her in concert too, and I was blown away. Ben especially liked > "Amelia" (always a favorite song of mine). Blair wrote: > Also good to point out about Joni not having her heart in the music > may show in the performances she gave that year with Bob. I recall the > album had just come out two months prior and the only new song she > performed was "the Crazy Cries of Love" and i was hoping to hear "Harlem > in Havana" and or "Man from Mars" live at the time. Good point to look > at. The other thing to consider is that she had an alotted time to > perform and wanted to keep it familiar? Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:02:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Bob wrote: > I think too that she was sticking to songs she has played a lot live; this tour was put together late in >the game & there was not a lot of rehearsal time. And Joni would not want to perform >underrehearsed, I don't think. As the tour progressed, she was able to add some numbers (DJRD, >Song For Sharon, BSN). Recall that she was asked to join the first west coast tour at the eleventh hour when Van Morrison was waffling about joining Dylan on the tour. Dylan/his people thought Van was going to bail and so they needed someone else big to replace him because the venue contracts had been arranged, etc. Then, as soon as Joni agreed, Van suddenly wanted back in so they did the "threefer." I was surprised that Joni pulled together the songs she did from TTT on such short notice, althought I would have also liked to hear some of the others from that album, especially Lead Balloon! ;-) Also, remember that Joni became very ill after the first date in Vancouver, and I think that affected her energy level a bit. This is hearsay but someone told me that TTT did not turn out the way Joni had hoped as far as the sound of it. She had really been hoping for a lush and fuller orchestral sense in each song and she/whoever misgauged how effectively the VG-8 would provide that sense. Might we why the next time she she decided to go with an actual orchestra. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Calling typists, again... (fjc) I wrote to Les: > Not to bother you further, but will there be any way for us to > determine if an article has already been downloaded for typing? As Emily Latella would have said, "Nevermind." Les, great thinker-ahead that he is, has already taken care of that. From http://www.jmdl.com/typing/willtype.cfm?id=1: "Finally, as a courtesy to others, please input your name (it can be an alias if you wish) in the box and press "submit". This will let other visitors to this page know that you are typing the item and prevent someone from doing duplicate work." Les, you are AWESOME! : ) Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:44:27 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Well said Bob. It was a bang up show I must add! I cant wait to hear that show again. Blair :) > ><"the Crazy Cries of Love" and i was hoping to hear "Harlem in Havana" and >or >"Man from Mars" live at the time.>> > >She did Facelift too, Blair, but not at the Cole Field House show that you >saw (that's on its way to you ;~)). But I think you make a good point. MfM >would have been great to hear live, I wasn't expecting her to do HiH >because of the studio complexities, the overlayered vocals, guitars, etc. > > <and wanted to keep it familiar?>> > >I think too that she was sticking to songs she has played a lot live; this >tour was put together late in the game & there was not a lot of rehearsal >time. And Joni would not want to perform underrehearsed, I don't think. As >the tour progressed, she was able to add some numbers (DJRD, Song For >Sharon, BSN). > >I don't think it was familiarity as much as songs that she felt she & the >band could do well. > >Bob > >NP: Teddy Edwards, "I'm Not Your Fool Anymore" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:47:14 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Oh, I did think the show was top notch and terriffic and I loved every moment of it, I was just saying how she only played one newer song that night. Other than that, it was one of my favorite shows that year! Blair >Interesting you should say this. I went with a friend with only a passing >acquaintance with Joni and he thought she was incredible. It was my first >time seeing her in concert too, and I was blown away. Ben especially liked >"Amelia" (always a favorite song of mine). > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:00:43 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Today in History: April 17? 18th? Les, I have finally, finally gotten April 16th memorized but damn I can't find any emails on April 17th or April 18th... how can I study for the test if we aren't getting more emails on Today in History -- let alone Today's Articles! I actually didn't delete any of the April 16th things. I did send out an email to some friends that overwhelm me with junk email, some post with some tacky, sentimental story about angels and puppies of some sort, with one of those drippy, sappy endings that is supposed to make you cry, and told them that if they didn't forward the story to 12 friends in 15 minutes, they would get bad luck. Then I forwarded all 418 Joni emails to each of them. (the Rev) Vince NP: Linkin Park, Runaway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:29:53 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Lori wrote: > I never before took the time to consider WHY it's been my least > favorite. I originally bought it the day of release, and I > listened to it enough to know most of the words to most of the > songs, but -- with one exception -- I found the album underwhelming. I won't say that TTT is my least favourite album, but I also found it kind of underwhelming. There are some great songs - Stay in Touch, Harlem In Havana, Lead Balloon ;o)! I never liked Man From Mars since I found out it was about a cat, and the title song is just silly (kitty, kitty.....). I think it's just that it all sounds so much the same throughout. I don't know if that's the fault of the VG-8, or just that that's the way Joni wrote/recorded it. But nothing really stands out for me, and I'd have trouble singing the melody to any one song, for that reason, without hearing it first. I know the VG-8 helps Joni no end on stage, but I wonder about the need to use it in the studio, where the pressure to retune quickly is not so great, and she can sit to play, so the problems with her back would not be so great. I much prefer a good acoustic on a slow song anyway, but that's just me! Hell (who should be working right now!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:05:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger > I won't say that TTT is my least favourite album, but I also found it kind of > underwhelming. There are some great songs - Stay in Touch, Harlem In Havana, > Lead Balloon ;o)! I never liked Man From Mars since I found out it was about a > cat, and the title song is just silly (kitty, kitty.....). I listened to TTT last night as well. Taming the Tiger *is* one of my favorites. I love this record. Love the words, love the music, love the sound of it. I don't think it's 'half-assed' in any way at all. Joni has never released a 'half-assed' record as far as I'm concerned. > > I think it's just that it all sounds so much the same throughout. Nobody ever says this about 'Hejira' or 'Clouds' or any record that Joni played acoustic guitar on. Why? Inquiring TTT fans want to know. Mark E in SeattleI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:13:51 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Mrk wrote: > Nobody ever says this about 'Hejira' or 'Clouds' or any record that Joni > played acoustic guitar on. Why? > > Inquiring TTT fans want to know. For what it's worth, I don't like Clouds that much, either! Hejira is in a totally different category - it's the words that make it a masterpiece, not the music (IMO). I guess it's the sound of the VG-8 that I don't like, rather than the fact that all the songs sound the same. It just seems to overpower the song in some way - I can't explain it too well, I just know that if I heard these songs played on a regular acoustic guitar (the slower songs, I mean) I'd probably like them a whole lot more. And for the record, I definitely don't dislike TTT, and do I listen to it quite often. I just like it less than some others. To paraphrase George Orwell, all Joni's albums are equal, but some are more equal than others! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:27:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger > And for the record, I definitely don't dislike TTT, and do I listen to it quite > often. I just like it less than some others. To paraphrase George Orwell, all > Joni's albums are equal, but some are more equal than others! Well I won't argue with you there! Hugs to ya, Hell, Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:46:52 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 Hey dudes, sorry for the njc, but I wanted everyone to see this, so please forgive me, eh? Mullerman is coming to the Big Apple and he's set aside his Saturday night to hang with us for a while. I was thinking maybe we could all meet at the Living Room, 84 Stanton Street, say 7PM??? > Located in Manhattanbs Lower East Side, on the corner of Stanton and Allen, > the Living Room offers both musicians and audience members an intimate and > comfortable atmosphere combined with a state of the art sound system. > http://www.livingroomny.com/ and admission is free, just a one drink minimum per show! so whadaya say? Kay, Patrick, Debra, Nikki, Gregg and anyone else is sure welcome to join us. any other ideas? > The lineup for Saturday night...... 7 McGowan 8 Danny Schmidt 9 Greg Fine 10 Johnny Cuomo 11 Blue Umbrella 12 Ana Egge > Saturday Apr 27, 2002 > > > Ana Ege > > > > Greg Fine > > > > Blue Umbrella rose from nj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:08:18 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 i'm in for whatever happens. living room sounds like a lot of listening, not much catching up, but i have no better ideas right now and it could be great (that's where kay and i met, at a joy askew show). i'm unexpectedly off to berlin tomorrow, not getting list mail until late next wednesday, so you all just discuss among yerselves and let me know. m. patrick np - silencia -----Original Message----- From: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:47 PM To: joni@smoe.org; stealth@voicenet.com; greggno@ureach.com; pleader@nyc.rr.com; SCJoniGuy@aol.com; ckarma@hotmail.com Subject: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 Hey dudes, sorry for the njc, but I wanted everyone to see this, so please forgive me, eh? Mullerman is coming to the Big Apple and he's set aside his Saturday night to hang with us for a while. I was thinking maybe we could all meet at the Living Room, 84 Stanton Street, say 7PM??? Located in Manhattanbs Lower East Side, on the corner of Stanton and Allen, the Living Room offers both musicians and audience members an intimate and comfortable atmosphere combined with a state of the art sound system. http://www.livingroomny.com/ and admission is free, just a one drink minimum per show! so whadaya say? Kay, Patrick, Debra, Nikki, Gregg and anyone else is sure welcome to join us. any other ideas? The lineup for Saturday night...... 7 McGowan 8 Danny Schmidt 9 Greg Fine 10 Johnny Cuomo 11 Blue Umbrella 12 Ana Egge Saturday Apr 27, 2002 Ana Ege Greg Fine Blue Umbrella rose from nj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:35:27 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Rosie and Joni Hi..did anyone else see the Rosie O Donnell interview with Diane Sawyer? Rosie contemplates the end of her talk show, she said she thinks of Joni's BSN, the orchestral version, and that it's one of her favorite songs, and then they play about 15 seconds of BSN... Rosie is near tears when she talks about it and it's so obvious she loves Joni... I was touched.. hope u all saw it! Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger > I listened to TTT last night as well. Taming the Tiger *is* one of my > favorites. I love this record. Love the words, love the music, love the > sound of it. I don't think it's 'half-assed' in any way at all. Joni has > never released a 'half-assed' record as far as I'm concerned. Mark, I agree: never "half-assed." Perhaps "half-hearted," though? TTT is not a bad record, and it's not like it's painful to listen to -- except for MfM, but that's a different sort of pain. Sometimes I wish I didn't know that Joni's painting-pee cat wasn't its inspiration, but considering Joni's talent for duality, that very fact softens it a bit. Sort of. (Can y'all tell I'm very affected by that song? I think it's the melody and how it's played. The very first bar tugs -- no, yanks -- at my heart. But I digress ... ) Joni is in beautiful voice on TTT, that's for sure. imho, anyway. The music is splendid. I like Lead Balloon for that reason. (Has anyone noticed how many of us who like Lead Balloon also like DED a lot? Kakki may be an exception ... J ) The VG-8 wasn't the best choice for the album, imo, but Joni's guitar playing is still a pleasure, and the horns are great!! > Nobody ever says this about 'Hejira' or 'Clouds' or any record that Joni > played acoustic guitar on. Why? > > Inquiring TTT fans want to know. Hell: > For what it's worth, I don't like Clouds that much, either! Hejira is in a > totally different category - it's the words that make it a masterpiece, > not the music (IMO). I think Clouds ranks third least fave on my personal list, although I LOVE "That Song About The Midway." For the last 25 years, my favorite album of all time by anyone has been Hejira, 'nuf said. As for Joni's acoustic vs. her electric/VG-8, I usually prefer the sound of an acoustic guitar. It's richer. It's just TTT's lyrics that leave me wanting. It's kind of like ... I don't know ... I was expecting the usual juicy all-beef hamburger (NRH springs to mind) and I got a garden burger instead. I like 'em both, but not in the same ways. > To paraphrase George Orwell, all Joni's albums are equal, > but some are more equal than others! Right on, Hell! There is no such thing as a bad Joni Mitchell album. Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:36:44 -0400 From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: My connection with Joni and Yes All of this talk about Joni and Yes forces me to relate a story I have on this subject. I apologize to anyone who has read this before (I used an abbreviated version of it in the Gallery section of the JMDL). Back in the waning days of 1971, I was working at the recently opened Woodfield Mall - the World's largest indoor shopping center (at least at the time). I was working in a funky little mall restaurant called the Orange Bowl, which sold mostly greasy pizzas and orange slushes. I had this hopeless crush on a co-worker named Karen, and one day while we were taking a break, she told me that the Disk Joint, a record store right directly below us in the mall, was having a huge store wide sale - three albums for nine bucks. We had about twenty minutes left on our break, so we decided to run down and check out the sale. I was seventeen at the time, and not exactly rolling in money, but I couldn't pass up the 3 for 9 deal. Album number one was a no brainer - Elton John's Madman Across the Water. Elton had always been a favorite of mine, and Madman had just recently been released, so I was looking forward to getting this one a great deal. Album number two was a little tougher. There were no other new albums out by any of my favorite artists, so I was really struggling. I had gotten to know the folks who worked at the store, so I asked them about this group they were obviously promoting. There were these wierd styrofoam heads suspended from strings all over the front of the store, which I thought looked pretty cool. They were surprised I had never heard about Yes, so they said they would play a song from it for me. Moments later, I've Seen All Good People came pouring out of their speaker system, and seconds later, I had my second album in my hands. The pressure was now really mounting. After making this 'major' purchase, I wouldn't be able to buy another album for some time, so I knew this third one had to be special. Plus time was running out - we needed to get back to our pizzas and Orange Slushes. Karen had her three albums picked out, but I told her I was struggling to find a third. She then asked me without hesitation if I was familiar with Joni Mitchell. I told her I had never heard of her, at which time she walked over to the M's, pulled a copy of Blue from the rack, and told me that this should be my third choice. I wasn't really into female singers at the time, and hesitated at her selection. Fortunately, Karen was very adamant, and like I said, I had this huge crush, so more out of trying to impress her than anything else, I agreed to the purchase. Later that night, I went home, showered off the pizza smell, and retreated to my room to check out my new tunes. Bedroom door closed, lava lamp glowing, headphones in place - I was ready for a night of new music. Again, Elton came first. Wow! Tiny Dancer, Levon, Madman Across the Water, Indian Sunset! This was great stuff. I decided I needed to hear this one a second time - Okay, a third time! (Hey, I told you Elton was my favorite). Finally, it was time to play that wierd album with the floating head. Wow, again! At this point in my 17 year old life, I still had not experimented with drugs of any sort, but listening to this album, I felt that this must be what it's like to get stoned! At this point, I'm almost freaking out on how great all this new music is. I still have that "chick" to listen to, but let's face it, I only bought that to impress Karen, and I wasn't ready to come down from buzz of the first two albums, so I decided to play The Yes Album a second time. I then played I've Seen All Good People about 5 times back to back. The vocals on this song were incredible! On top of that, I happen to love chess (playing chess with my Dad is about the only happy memory I have of him from my teenage years) so this song was just blowing me away. Finally, I realized I would be seeing Karen at work the next day, and knew she would ask what I thought of that Blue album, so I broke down and put it on the record player. Karen hadn't really told me what to expect; she actually didn't tell me anything Blue, so I had no way of knowing what I was about to listen to. All I can really say is it might be the most powerful 35 minutes and 41 seconds I've ever experienced musically (at least until 5 years later when Hejira was released). I knew I was in the presence of something almost beyond my comprehension. Oddly, it reminded me of the time I played my first Elton John album (the one with Your Song on it). Back then, I remember realizing for the first time that music could be more than just something to dance to, or sing along with. It could touch your soul. If anyone finds it hard to believe that Elton John could have that kind of impact on someone, try listening to The Greatest Discovery. I get goosebumps to this day whenever I play that one. I ended up playing Blue over and over and over that night, till I finally fell asleep, virtually exhausted from my musical experience. Madman Across the Water, The Yes Album, and Blue. I can't recall ever spending a better nine dollars! While things never did work out between Karen and me, I'll never forget her. It probably wasn't quite what my seventeen year old mind was looking for, but she gave me a gift that changed my life, and a night that I will always remember! Bless you Karen, where ever you are. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:06:30 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins / Wildflowers / Albatross - SJC Bobsart48@aol.com writes: >To which Judy added 3 of her own songs - including the haunting >Albatross (was this a bold move by her - pitting her own work next that >of the aforementioned trio ?). Wildflowers has always been one of my favorites, and my first introduction to Joni's amazing songs. But Judy's stand very well next to them, particularly the beautiful and bittersweet "Since You Asked." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:32:05 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 27 In a message dated 4/18/02 10:12:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pleader@nyc.rr.com writes: > i'm in for whatever happens. living room sounds like a lot of listening, > not > much catching up, but i have no better ideas right now and it could be > great > (that's where kay and i met, at a joy askew show). i'm unexpectedly off to > berlin tomorrow, not getting list mail until late next wednesday, so you > all > just discuss among yerselves and let me know. > That would be great Pat! Please email Kay, as I lost her email addy. We could go to the pizza place just down the street for a while or hang outside. They have great pizza, just ask Kate & Jeff ;) The Living Room does not serve food anymore. They took out all the stoves the last I was there. Oh, and it's a cash only bar, so no charging on that company card Bob! LOL! love Rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:51:05 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Today in History: April 19th 1999: Joni joins the Dixie Chicks tour as "Bobbi Jo." 2002: Joni announces that she will join the Blink 182 and Green Day tour, performing mostly material from Dog Eat Dog. also in 2002: Joni will sing back-up on Neil Young's new single, "Kandahar", which begins like this: 'Tin soldiers and Bush is coming, we're finally on our own; this summer I hear them calling, four dead in Kandahar." hey, if Les won't supply them, we have to make them up... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:59:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger Lori wrote: > Joni is in beautiful voice on TTT, that's for sure. imho, anyway. The music is splendid. I like Lead >Balloon for that reason. (Has anyone noticed how many of us who like Lead Balloon also like DED >a lot? Kakki may be an exception ... J ) The VG-8 wasn't the best choice for the album, imo, but >Joni's guitar playing is still a pleasure, and the horns are great!! While it doesn't grab my heart like most of her music, I think DED is her best 80s album overall. I love Lead Balloon because I still think it's a really funny parody musically of the top 40 heavy metal genre and one has to admit that it sticks out like a sore thumb on TTT, which makes it interesting to me! Kind of tosses you for an unexpected loop. I'm thinking back about a lot of the reviews of TT when it first came out - recall that they were surprisingly pretty positive. TTT did not knock me out in its totality but I felt there was a whole lot of brillance in it and wonder how I'll feel about it years from now. Kakki NP: Buffalo Springfield - Flying on the Ground is Wrong ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:19:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE Bob Muller's coming to NYC on Sat. April 2 Don't know the others but Ana Egge is fabulous! She opened for Shawn Colvin about 2 years ago & came back a couple of times to play in our town...great songs, really sweet person & amaziningly talented...SHE MADE her own guitar!!!!! > The lineup for Saturday night...... 7 McGowan 8 Danny Schmidt 9 Greg Fine 10 Johnny Cuomo 11 Blue Umbrella 12 Ana Egge<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:20:13 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni on Interview with Rosie While channel surfing tonight, I happened upon Diane Sawyer interviewing Rosie O'Donnell and for some reason continued to watch it (why, I don't know. I don't really care that much about Ms. O'Donnell). In referring to her upcoming last time hosting her show, Sawyer asked her something like, 'have you thought about the last show, the last word?' Rosie replied (I'm paraphrasing), 'Joni Mitchell sang "Both Sides Now" with a full orchestra and I love it so much. It really says what I've been through, blah, blah ...' and then they cued up a small excerpt from BSN! For once, watching crap TV paid off. (Hey, it was better than MTV's show 'The Secret Life of Groupies' and chronicling all their escapades in the '70's and '80's. Oh, whatever.) Night all, Lindsay ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #115 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?