From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 16 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 106 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: April 15 [les@jmdl.com] Re: joni on BBC/Karla Bonoff ["Kakki" ] Let the wind carry her [Gordon Mackie ] Yes and Joni [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Let the wind carry her [Deb Messling ] Joni Boxed Set - Geffin Recordings [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] FW: Joni Boxed Set - Geffen Recordings - More news [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Yes and Joni [Dave Cuneo ] "Big Yellow Taxi", Danish Joni tribute band update [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni guitar to be auctioned [Steve Dulson ] Fw: Let the wind carry her ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sex and the three great stimulants may sell everything, but they ruin tunes :-) [BigWaltinSF] Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters [Jenny Goodspeed ] RE: Six Feet Under & Joni [cat627@cs.com] Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #161 -- more on Age & Beauty [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Leslie Smith [Michael Paz ] Re: Yes, guitars & Joni [Michael Paz ] Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her ["Mark or Travis" ] Yes, guitars & Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 03:13:11 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 15 On April 15 the following items were published: 1988: "Will People Listen to Joni Mitchell?" - Express (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/880415e.cfm 2000: "Joni Looks At Life" - TV Guide (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000415tvg.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:28:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: joni on BBC/Karla Bonoff Kate, A great review! Listening to Kenny Edwards, Tom Kell and, of course, Karla, is like experiencing the platinum level of songwriting. Front "row" on the grass, a few glasses of wine and hearing many of my longtime favorite songs was just wonderful. Julius and I also read Karla's liner notes on the way home and caught the Joni mention. I noticed that she went to University High in Westwood, which has a lot of talented alumni including Bonnie Raitt. I was so surprised to learn how young Karla was when she started writing some of the songs made famous by Linda Ronstadt and Nicolette Larson. She is just as brilliant as ever. Thanks again for letting us know about the concert! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:58:50 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Let the wind carry her Flatulence jokes aside, I was reading the liner notes for 'Night Ride Home' (not that I do that very often to quote her 'High'ness...man..) and noted that Joni is credited with , amongst other things, playing the clarinet (..or oboe?.. brain cells gone) on 'The Only Joy in Town' Is this right? can someone confirm? or deny Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:41:06 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Yes and Joni >Mark wrote Willie also asked me why I think so many people who like Joni also seem to dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate? > >Is it the long blonde hair...imagine Joni with a beard and she could >be Rick Wakeman....well kinda ! LOL. My (late) mother said rather >unkindly, that Joni had the kind of mouth that could eat a banana >sideways. Same would apply to Rick. Problem solved. Or is it the >intricate keyboard melodies.....hmmmm > >Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 06:19:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Let the wind carry her According to a radio interview I heard, she was actually playing a Fairlight synthesizer, but since it sounded like an oboe and she composed the music for oboe, she felt entitled to credit herself with playing oboe. At 09:58 AM 4/15/02 +0100, you wrote: >I was reading the liner notes for 'Night Ride Home' (not that I do that >very often to quote her 'High'ness...man..) and noted that Joni is >credited with , amongst other things, playing the clarinet (..or oboe?.. >brain cells gone) on 'The Only Joy in Town' Is this right? can someone >confirm? or deny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:19:27 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Joni Boxed Set - Geffin Recordings I'm reading an ad here in MOJO magazine for "Joni Mitchell - The Complete Geffin Recordings (Boxed Set).....#phone" The Company is called Badlands Dept M 11 St George's Place Cheltenham Glos. GL50 3LA UK (0)1242 227724 e-mail mailorder@badlands.co.uk I wonder if it has any additional stuff? Les (who should be working and not reading MOJO magazine, London) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:24:48 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: FW: Joni Boxed Set - Geffen Recordings - More news Just gave these guys a call and it's due for June release. No track listing provided. No indication if there are additional tracks or if it's a re-package of CDs already in the market. Price in the UK is #39.99. Advised calling again in May. Les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:12:04 -0400 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Yes and Joni Ciao joniphiles, "Willie also asked me why I think so many people who like Joni also seem to dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate?" My speculation - they love great music. I came late to Yes, about 3 years or so ago ( I'm 47!) but really love their music, especially Close to the Edge. I highly recommend the video from their "Yes - Live at the House of Blues" CD. "Yessongs" or "Classic Yes" is a good place to start with Yes if you don't know them. I recently bought the "Song to a Seagull" CD due to all the yacking about it on the list - boy is it good! Some of the guitar playing on Nathan La Freneer reminds me of "The Priest" from LOTC. I had the album many moons ago but never replaced it with a CD til now. An old girlfriend was very jealous of Joni many years ago - accused me of wanting to, well, you know, with Joni! Funny thing is, blondes do not do much for me :-) I have been a joniphile since fall 1975. I too "fell away" for a while after HOSL, like many did - but I came back strong in 1980 after hearing "The Refuge of the Roads" on the FM radio one night in Hawaii - I was stationed there with the Navy. It blew me away. Ciao, dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:58:07 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: "Big Yellow Taxi", Danish Joni tribute band update I rec'd the demo CD from Henning Olsen this weekend...he's the guitarist & catalyst for "Big Yellow Taxi", the Joni tribute group from Denmark mentioned here not too long ago. This demo is great! Henning and Christina do fairly straightforward takes on Chelsea, BYT, and BSN, and an outstanding reading of Sunny Sunday, which is a pleasant surprise as it's definitely not a common choice. (Europeans seem to have a greater respect for Joni's later work in terms of covers I've noticed). Rounding out the demo is the highlight as far as I'm concerned, their version of Black Crow which is an energetic arrangement and very well done. Some of you guitarists out there will find yourselves inspired by this version, I do believe... Henning & Christina are making their plans tonight to make it to the Jonifest in August. They're also planning on going in to the studio along with another ace guitarist and some extra players to record a proper CD of Joni songs (plus a couple of originals) to help market themselves in the states. Henning has been very encouraged by we JMDLer's who have visited the site and made contact. So if you're on the fence about coming to the Fest this year, here's another reason why you don't want to miss it! I've been playing this demo as soon as I get up each day...after all, nothing like a fine Danish to start the morning, yuk yuk yuk...(sorry). If you haven't checked them out yet, they are easy to find at: http://www.bigyellowtaxi.dk/index.htm Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "If I Had It All" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:49:54 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni guitar to be auctioned Second annual Swag charity auction to sell signed guitars, a date with a VJ http://www.canada.com/vancouver/story.asp?id={07170B4E-4166-4748-B5C2-71A544545152} Canadian Press Friday, April 12, 2002 TORONTO (CP) - Signed guitars from Mick Jagger, Joni Mitchell and Alanis Morissette are among items up for auction in Swag 2002, the second annual online fundraiser organized by the Canadian Music Therapy Trust Fund. Last year's auction, which garnered attention for selling off Ricky Martin's pants, raised more than $30,000 to support music therapy research and programs in Canada. The auction this year, on EBay, runs from April 15 to 28. Items and experiences up for bids also include a date with a MuchMusic VJ; guitars signed by Sloan and Lenny Kravitz; a day in the studio with punk band Sum 41; and memorabilia from Cher, Pink, the Strokes, Alicia Keys and Bonny Raitt. On the Web: www.musictherapytrust.com. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:31:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Let the wind carry her > I was reading the liner notes for 'Night Ride Home' (not that I do > that very often to quote her 'High'ness...man..) and noted that Joni > is credited with , amongst other things, playing the clarinet (..or > oboe?.. brain cells gone) on 'The Only Joy in Town' Is this right? > can someone confirm? or deny > I believe that's keyboard oboe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. This annoys my friend Melanie who thinks that Joni's ego has gotten way out of hand. 'She doesn't play the oboe!' Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:40:02 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her <> I'm sure she was just having fun with that...BUT I'm sure if I was a trained & professional oboeist I would be offended. It has certainly been the basis for much confusion among those of us who read liner credits and take them as gospel. Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "Monkey Man" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:54:36 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Sex and the three great stimulants may sell everything, but they ruin tunes :-) Ken in SF said: <> Hi, Ken and everybody, I sort of have a theory, and I guess it's time to bounce it off you folks -- I've always preferred Joni's songs that are about personalities, feelings, observations perhaps, but gentle ones -- as opposed to her angry comments on the ills of the world. Somehow, for me, both her tune writing, and the level of her lyric writing seem to, I don't know, slip a bit, or get out of control. Maybe this is why a fair number of jmdlers didn't like most of DED - -- but *did* like Beautiful Dreamer and Lucky Girl; Ethiopia had a nice tune, but of course the lyrics are painful to hear -- as was, I guess the intent. Shiny toys might have made a good dance number, without lyrics. All of the "public criticism" songs seem to be less eloquent to me. As for her tune-writing, I sort of agree for the most part with Fred -- she has occasional flashes of brilliance, but she's less likely to take chances like major-to-minor shifts and chromatic progressions. She still uses these things, of course -- in the title song to TtT, the bridge show a nice chromatic slide downwards -- but they seem fewer and farer between. I'm working on Gift(s) of the Magi now, and what a challenge! The key of the song seems to change almost every second -- the tune sounds almost Eastern European! And I never fail to be amazed by the scat part of I Don't Know Where I Stand -- a marvel! Now, she seems more likely to use arpeggios of one kind or another, sometimes to good effect, but what's happeneed to all those delicious black keys and their unexpected occurences?! Who knows what drives her internal music machine? Maybe, as at least one person has suggested, recording the BSN album got her thinking about more adventurous tune-writing, ditto with recording some of her older songs that will appear on "Swan Song", or whatever she actually ends up calling her (please) soon-to-be-released album. Just some thoughts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters A couple years ago someone gave me a book called, "Solo. Women Singer-Songwriters in their Own Words". I just opened it up today. Each chapter is the distillation of an in depth interview with a woman singer-songwriter. It's no big surprise Joni's influence on this generation of songwriters was far-reaching. Nonetheless, I enjoyed what some had to say and thought I'd share... "Joni Mitchell says that songs are like childrenI was hanging out with these kids who were listening only to current indie musicI'd ask if they listened to Joni Mitchell. They'd say, "No, and we don't want to listen to her". Yet they loved Sebadoh and Lou Barlow. Lou Barlow adores Joni Mitchell; without her influence he wouldn't be writing the songs these kids love so much. And then there are any number of indie musicians writing songs inspired by someone like Lou Barlow who don't even realize they're producing songs that are the grandchildren of Joni Mitchell's songs. They haven't listened to her work. It's important to know the history behind what you're doing as a musician, to know where your songs come from, whose children and grandchildren they are." --Mary Lou Lord "...Joni Mitchell was so important to me. When I first heard her, I knew that there was somebody who felt one thing and then another, just like I did. That's what made sense to me; feeling all kinds of different things and analyzing the hell out of them. In Joni Mitchell's songs, for all the feeling, you never get the sense that someone's simply opening her veins and bleeding all over you because the writing is so amazing. There is something very inviting, poetic, and beautiful about her work. But her music is defined by feeling and analysis rather than a rock and roll attitude. Because of that she was really important to me."--Shawn Colvin "I really started to listen to music seriously when my brother turned me on to Joni Mitchell's Blue at fourteen, right at that time when I was really ready to hear it. That definitely changed my life. There was something completely captivating about how personal the songs were. I loved her singing. I wanted to be her, to sound like her. In fact, I recently listened to a tape I made when I was with a group in Chicago a few years later. I was trying so hard to sound like Joni Mitchell that I was embarrassed to listen to myself." --Lucy Kaplansy Sheryl Crow, Jonatha Brooke, and Cassandra Wilson also gave nods to Joni. Jenny Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:23:50 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Let the Wind Carry Her OK everyone, let's not be too hasty. It may be a Fairlight oboe. It may not be. I own a hardbound copy of Joni Mitchell Complete which has some photos on the first few pages. And though I do not have access to this book at the moment, there is a photo of a very hippy-ish Joni sitting on some wild looking floor pillows and wearing some embroidered slippers which curl up at the toes like little fairy shoes. There may even be little jingle bells hanging from the edge of the curly part. I digress...In this photo, Joni is playing a flute or a recorder and looking to the side at a bearded gentleman (Graham Nash?). It looks like it's the inside of the Laurel Canyon House, or maybe the retreat up in BC. Like I said, with my things in storage out west, I'm relying on memory about all the details. But this is for certain, Joni has an instrument in her mouth...unless it's a really big cigarette. Besides, (and I don't know how accurate a Fairlight is) I can hear some very tactile sounds on the oboe solo on the song "The Only Joy In Town." You can hear the stops on the oboe making little clicking noises in the same way that on some of the tunes on FTR, you can hear Joni's nails tapping against the surface of the ivory keys, particularly on the percussive parts of Judgment of the Moon and Stars and Let the Wind Carry Me and Banquet. Just some thoughts. Do any of you hear any little source noises on any of Joni's recordings? Could there be a source noise thread? Ken, on a day that is very first-day-of-spring-like in southern Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:32:37 -0400 From: "S.M. Roque" Subject: Re: Wonderful wonderful... Six Feet Under/Back To The Garden (sjc) >Debra Shea said, "...I didn't see any mention of Joni in the credits. It will be on the website, though, and perhaps on a soundtrack cd so maybe a few new Joni fans will be captured..." I was pleasantly surprised by the homage to Joni, but was also surprised, considering the role "Woodstock" plays in episode 7 of Six Feet Under, that she was not credited at the end of the show. Of course when I checked out the HBO.com site, I was happy to see that all of the songs on the show are listed... http://www.hbo.com/sixfeetunder/episode/season2/season2_eps7.shtml Sylvia, http://forums.delphiforums.com/JoniMitchell/messages/?msg=54.4 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:54:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her > <> > > I'm sure she was just having fun with that...BUT I'm sure if I was a trained & professional oboeist I would be offended. No she was really annoyed by it. She didn't think Joni had any business crediting herself in that way. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:34:12 -0400 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: RE: Six Feet Under & Joni Hey Guys, I just had to write for I too love Six Feet Under. I got goosebumps when the song came on and they just stayed there. When Ruth started singing along, I was just thrilled. The only thing I did not like was that they gave no mention of Joni during the credits. Later today, though, I figured most people who watch the show would at least know of that song and who performed it. Another generation to discover Joni Mitchell!! Way to go Joni!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:14:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her <> Sorry, Mark, I didn't make myself clear...I meant *Joni* was having some fun with it, not your friend. I understand that your friend was annoyed, and rightfully so. Speaking of oboists, I just found out today that Lowell George of Little Feat fame got his start as an oboist! Go figger! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:14:33 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #161 -- more on Age & Beauty To sum it up...as someone once wrote...Happiness is the Best Facelift... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:30:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters Hi Jenny! Thanks for those quotes! Lou Barlow (of Sebadoh & Folk Implosion fame) does a pretty weird "Blonde In The Bleachers". And Mary Lou Lord, who supplied the quote, has done lots of Joni songs live but nothing recorded yet. But I'm patiently waiting, ready to pounce! ;~) Bob NP: Starsailor, "Love Is Here" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:29:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Leslie Smith Hi Russ Got to http://www.onlyleslie.com/ and check out her new album which is fantastic and I love the one before that called Paper Moon. Leslie is a great friend and I love her work. She played at my JoniFest 2000 at the Howlin' Wolf in May 2000. I am 95% finished mixing volume two right now and an announcement is long overdue for the release date. Freda's cover with artwork by a fellow JMDL'er is coming along nicely too. Leslie is also agreed to do some vocals on my friend Jack's CD which is another project that I am producing. Hopefully with time and a little luck this will be our year. Best Paz on 4/14/02 11:25 PM, rsc1 at rsc1@humboldt.edu wrote: > Hi Michael - > > I was curious about your mention of Leslie Smith doing > "Sex Kills". As she recorded it, or did you see her perform it? > > I haven't heard anything from her in years. I loved what little > I've heard of her work. Do you know what she's up to? > > Thanks, > > Russ Cole > > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:29:19 -0700 >> From: Michael Paz >> Subject: Re: sex kills >> >> Just wait to hear Leslie Smith doing it! I love doing this song too. It is >> so powerful and there are so many things about it that make me feel it when >> I sing it. >> >> Peace >> >> >> Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:14:06 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Yes, guitars & Joni Thanks Mark! I think Howe is one of the most amazing guitar players on the planet and I actually got to spend some quality time with him once backstage at Tipitina's on a solo tour a few years back. I was with Kevin Aucoin (drummer) & with two guitarist friends who also got backstage with us and after we were in altered states my two guitarist friends staring really gushing which is what happens when you love these damn players so much. We talked alot about Close To The Edge and I know he and Jon were behind a lot of the structure of that piece plus many others. I actually have a demo of the Anderson Brufurd Wakeman Howe sessions from Paris that is mostly Howe and Anderson and a drum machine + some keyboards. I love Going For the One especially Awaken probably my fave piece by them. I also am a big fan of Tales From Topographic Oceans and Tormato, but shit I love them all. I also have all their solo work as well. I think the Joni connection here is that they both require some intelligence to really appreciate them as artists as opposed to just liking a couple of the hits like Roundabout or BYT. For some reason I don't know if I can picture Joan rocking out to Starship Trooper though. LOL! Love Paz P.S. I am up for a Yes set at any Jonifest or musical gathering of any kind. on 4/14/02 7:39 PM, Mark or Travis at mark.travis@gte.net wrote: > > I have the digitally remastered cd and it sounds awesome to me. The only > other Yes I own on cd is The Yes Album which is my other favorite and it > doesn't sound nearly as good. I think I will eventually have to buy the > remastered version of that one as well. > > Willie the Shake emailed me on this subject and I told him that I used to > think Wakeman was what made Close To the Edge so great but now I've revised > my opinion. The keyboards are awesome but boy howdy, Steve Howe's guitar > really makes this record! I'm sure this change of heart has a lot to do > with being on this list. My appreciation for guitar playing has really > grown since being exposed to what you all have to say on the subject, not to > mention hearing Paz and Marian and Terry and others play at Jonifest. > > Willie also asked me why I think so many people who like Joni also seem to > dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate? > > Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:59:26 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Fw: Let the wind carry her > < crediting herself in that way.>> > > Sorry, Mark, I didn't make myself clear...I meant *Joni* was having some fun > with it, not your friend. Well duh! I should have figured that one out! Thanks for the clarification though. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:24:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Yes, guitars & Joni Mark in Seattle quoted Willie who asked: >why I think so many people who like Joni also seem to dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate?> We're freaks for soproanos with long, blonde hair? Seriously, Yes fans tend to contemplative. I love the electic variety on a Yes album. I have lots but not all. Both Joni and Yes count Stravinsky as an influence. It works for me. Lama who's volunteering to answer phones in support of public radio this weekend ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #106 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?