From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 103 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni on BBC [colin ] Re: Later Day Joni [colin ] UK JMDLers [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] Joni at the Beeb and the Hippie Movement ["owen" ] Re: The song I'd live in.... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RE: Later Day Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The song I'd live in [Abbymusique@aol.com] Hejira ["Nathan La Freneer" ] Looking For "A Day In The Garden" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hejira [colin ] Re:Later day joni...and joni still to come ! [WARREN901@aol.com] Sometimes I'm Hippy ["William" ] Re: Sex Kills ["pedro alberto RAGO" ] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy ["Nathan La Freneer" ] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy [colin ] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy ["Kakki" ] Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... [johnirving <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:33:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: joni on BBC and genrally true! I know from experience. My point being they were no more tolerant than than the rest of the population which seemed to me to be hypocritcal. Like I said the free love did not genrally extend to gay people. deny my experience if you like,and that of my John, but it was our experience. Kate Bennett wrote: > >>The same fear and intolerance was shown towards gays by the > hippies as was shown by others.<< > > no offense colin, but that is a huge generalization... > > kate, former hippie (i admit it now...) > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:36:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Later Day Joni I stopped buying when Hejira came out. I was 17. I didn't start again until 94. I tend to listen to her later work much more than her earlier work. It is rather like listening to two different artists. Now Hejira ranks as one of my faves but when I first bought it, i just didn't like it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:38:41 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: UK JMDLers I will be staying in London from April 24th - April 30th and plan to make it back to the Kashmir Klub during my visit. Last year, while in London, many JMDLers, from the London area were kind enough to put time aside to meet one another at the Kashmir and I was hoping that some from the list would like to do it again. After checking out their web site at www.KashmirKlub.com, it seems that they now have entertainment 6 nights a week ( not on Sundays ) and already have that week booked with various artists. Anyone in the London area interested in doing this again? Or.... if you know of another venue that has something special happening, let's plan it. While in London, I will be staying at Abbey House, 11 Vicarage Gate, Kensington, off of High Street Kensington and would love to hear from some of you again. My email is SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Joe Gouveia in Rhode Island ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:54:49 +0100 From: "owen" Subject: Joni at the Beeb and the Hippie Movement Hey guys, Did anyone else think Joan came across as a little humourless on that Hippie programme? I know everything is made in the editing process but I would've liked to have seen a flash of that wicked grin! Thought overall that the show put her over well though, she looked so cool singing 'Woodstock' at the Isle of White festival - I'm in the unfortunate position of having seen little of Joni on TV (save for the 'Last Waltz' and PWWAM), so little moments like this are enought to thrill me. In fact, the whole hippie movement got me thinking. I believe I'm right in saying we need artists that are going to believe in something and say something about it to my generation. I always considered myself a cynic, but when I see we have amoral governments chasing votes and an amoral media just selling and selling all the time (unattainable beauty, lifestyles etc.), I start to feel that hippie idealism creeping through! Peace, Owen p.s I blame Freud for the state of the western world, all that stuff about self self self - no wonder nobody looks at the bigger picture! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:10:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The song I'd live in.... Kerry, I'm with you in that I would pick a number of songs, simply for a line or two that I always pick up on... "Gotta be more to livin' than a mortgage & a lawn to mow" "People will tell you where they've been They'll tell you where to go But till you get there, yourself, You never really know" "Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality" "I'm a wild seed again Let the wind carry me" I suppose I have to settle for living in a body of work as opposed to a song. Bob NP: The Marshall Tucker Band, "Too Stubborn" PS: I'm glad to see that you picked Carey, Kerry! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:17:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Later Day Joni <> Nice list, Michael! But you can't list Jericho as a "post-Hejira" song, remember it debuted on Miles of Aisles. An outstanding song nonetheless; one of the most HONEST love songs ever written. Like you say, it's strictly subjective, but I would also take exception to "Tax Free"...it may have it's interesting moments lyrically, but musically it's really not much. Try just humming the melodic line to yourself. It's hard to lump that one in with the challenging melodic canon that Joni has created. I would say it doesn't even hold a candle to the others on your list. (and coincidentally, it's not even Joni's melody, it's Klein's) Bob NP: The Marshall Tucker Band, "You Ain't Foolin' Me" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:12:20 EDT From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: The song I'd live in I always thought that I would like to live on Sisotowbell Lane. I pictured this family out in the Badlands in S. Dakota (is it South or North?) enjoying the simple things in life: We have a rocking chair Somedays we rock and stare At the woodlands and the grasslands And the badlands 'cross the river Sometimes we do We like the view Abby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:12:02 -0500 From: "Nathan La Freneer" Subject: Hejira I just bought Hejira recently and I am still in shock. I cannot find the right words to say how I feel. Colin said, "I stopped buying when Hejira came out. I was 17. I didn't start again until 94." Are you the oldest on this discussion then? "I tend to listen to her later work much more than her earlier work. It is rather like listening to two different artists. Now Hejira ranks as one of my faves but when I first bought it, i just didn't like it." Colin I am opposite, I couldn't get to like this anymore or will I? Still in shock, Nathan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:54:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Looking For "A Day In The Garden" Does anybody have this out of print Canadian Joni tribute CD? I have it on tape, and I've transferred the tape to CD, but I'd like a better copy. If someone can make me a copy of the CD, I'd appreciate it, and would be happy to work up a suitable trade. Bob NP: Marvelous Three, "until you see" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:30:28 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Hejira Nathan La Freneer wrote: > I just bought Hejira recently and I am still in shock. I cannot find the > right words to say how I feel. Colin said, > > "I stopped buying when Hejira came out. I was 17. I didn't start again until > 94." > Are you the oldest on this discussion then? not by a long way, you cheeky boy. > > > " > > Colin I am opposite, I couldn't get to like this anymore or will I? Try this. Lay in the dark and listen to it, not too loud. Of course it might just be that you will not like it. i don't like Mingus much at all, nor CMIARS. And I tried...... > > Still in shock, > Nathan > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:22:12 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re:Later day joni...and joni still to come ! hello all ! since i voiced the " C'MON FRED " i felt obliged to list off my " can't live without " later day joni .( with a note of hope i anticipate the joni still to come ! ) here are the jewels: shiny toys night ride home passion play sunny sunday turbulent indigo borderline sire of sorrow slouching towards bethelehem moon at the window off night backstreet need i go on...? everything's comin' up joni, warren keith p.s. by the way, i could definitely hang out in hejira ( i just love all things winter !) living in carey wouldn't be to shabby either. ( must have my summer beach fix !) both would require cohabitation with joni ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:44:18 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Sometimes I'm Hippy Some things are better left unsaid. I must be what ... one of the biggest Joni fans after a lot of you guys of course. You guys that have seen, been with, live and breathe Joni. This woman that we flock to, idolise. I watched the BBC1 "Hippie" documentary on Wednesday and quite honestly I was disturbed at how appalling she appeared - and I don't mean only from an aesthetic point. I'm unsure whether this was old interview footage or smack dab up-to-date. Whatever. Like I say, I know a lot of you guys have met Joni and know first hand how swell and warm she is, but these presentations of her talking about the 60s' scene like some old bag lady at the end of the row, and she did look puffed up and jittery and nicotined out, did neither her nor the Wavy Davy chap from Woodstock any favours. Were they purposely shot/edited in an unflattering pose/light? No, Joni chose to be in front of the camera, with four-inch ash clinging to the end of her cigarette. She careth not and why should she. Yet shouldn't she? One minute we're watching as Graham Nash said, "a beautiful blonde sitting in the corner with what looked like a Bible on her knee which was intriguing enough", next we're faced with a ravaged old hippy queen. Her tone/manner was that of a hardened wary woman who you'd imagine not to suffer fools gladly, and fair enough. I had asked a lot of friends to watch the programme. I can't imagine what they must have made of Joni and the other "freaks" who were portrayed as oddball never-having-recovered-from-the-LSD fallouts from the Flower Power Hour. "I mean the hippie thing may have a beginning in time and an end in time but the true spirit of what was beautiful was very brief." Maybe the producers found it in their TV produceivenessishness to have to make a point. Dennis Hopper for crying out loud! The very fact that she is introduced at the beginning as "the high priestess of getting high and saving the world ... Joni Mitchell." I've never had enough of Joni, especially in mainstream media, and will never get enough. To quote Gordon M (I hope he doesn't mind); "I just wish someone who understood Joni would do a documentary on her or at least use her comments in context" Aye! Bottom line - she looked like you don't want to see your best buddy looking. On the hippy movement as a whole Joni said, "It was a beautiful flower that bloomed purely, kind of, in the moonlight for a moment really." Joni, don't remind us. Some things are better left unsaid. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:11:37 -0300 From: "pedro alberto RAGO" Subject: Re: Sex Kills >From: Jerry Notaro >Reply-To: Jerry Notaro >To: Steve Dulson >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Sex Kills >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:29:31 -0400 > >Steve Dulson wrote: > > > Right on, Scott! Sex Kills and Slouching Towards Bethlehem were the > > concert highlights for me. I *knew* Amelia would be brilliant, but > > those two came out of left field and knocked me flat. > >Here is a netiquettely incorrect Me Too. The live Slouching is one of >Joni's >most brilliant performances. I've listened to it hundreds of times and it >still gives me chills. > >Jerry _________________________________________________________________ Con MSN Hotmail szmese al servicio de correo electrsnico mas grande del mundo. http://www.hotmail.com/ES ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:47:05 -0500 From: "Nathan La Freneer" Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy I think Willy said, "Joni chose to be in front of the camera, with four-inch ash clinging to the end of her cigarette. She careth not and why should she. Yet shouldn't she? One minute we're watching as Graham Nash said, "a beautiful blonde sitting in the corner with what looked like a Bible on her knee which was intriguing enough", next we're faced with a ravaged old hippy queen. " I thought this too but I wasn't sure if I should say anything on this discussion thing as it's a fan club sort of thing. I'm looking at the pictures on Hejira and I'm looking at Joni on the Tv and I'm thinking, I dont know what I'm thinking. Who likes to see anyone going to seed? Don't it always seem to go is the song. Nathan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:42:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy > next we're faced with a ravaged old hippy queen. Her tone/manner > was that of a hardened wary woman who you'd imagine not to suffer fools > gladly, and fair enough. I agree, she did not look wonderful. but then neither do most of the women I know past their mid fifties! Why should we expect Joni to be any different to any other late 50's woman? Are we comparing her to plastic fantastic Cher or the ridiculous Joan Collins? Joni looked like a real person! Surely that is in keeping with her work, being real? (Carly, who is very photogenic, looks pretty rough now too!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:09:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy Willy, Your post cracked me up - mostly because the older I get, the more I can relate to those "bad hair days" and worse! Joni's no different. The first time I saw her I thought she was absolutely gorgeous, the second time she just looked good, the third time she looked a bit tired and dressed down until she laughed. When she laughs and smiles or bcomes animated a lot of the age comes off. I've heard and read that she isn't too fond of the hippie days. Maybe some of this attitude came through in the interview. Maybe she was bored, too ;-) I can't believe Hopper introducing her as the "high priestess of getting high" No wonder some of her scorn at the hippie days! Thanks for the report - I enjoyed your remarks. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:15:02 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... The news that Joni's new recording may be split in two makes me excited and nervous...but far more nervous than excited. On one hand, it's nice to know the powers that be think there's enough good material to make 2 recordings from it. In which case, I'll take it all at once, thank you very much! On the other hand, isn't Joni's contract down to 2 recordings? So if the work is split in two, Joni's obligation to record will come to an end. Which would mean, she's either doing this to free herself to find a better recording deal... or to finally, finally bring the recording thing to an end. I like the idea of her being contractually obligated to make music. j. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #103 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?