From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 094 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: April 3 [les@jmdl.com] First Albums ["William" ] Joni in Fiction again [JRMCo1@aol.com] Mother and Child Reunion [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #93 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #93 [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: (sjc) Speaking of Van Gogh... ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Song to a Seagull 1968 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni in major and minor... [FredNow@aol.com] "paint a starry night again man" ["marianne marianne" ] Re: "paint a starry night again man" ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Another Euro Joni cover band [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Another Euro Joni cover band ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] I Spied ["William" ] Re: Song to a Seagull 1968 [Susan Guzzi ] Great Debut Albums [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: Covers, Volume 28 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: A Friend Of Spirit ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Joni in major and minor... ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: First Albums Kate asked; <> Got me thinking about some and remembered "Whatever's For Us" by Joan Armatrading. Seriously good debut. Haven't heard it in maybe 20 years + and dunno if I even have it anymore. Must check it out. From the Internet; Armatrading used some of Elton John's brain trust, and especially when she plays piano, the resulting sound is not unlike an early John album such as Tumbleweed Connection. Whatever's For Us is a promising debut that, nevertheless, does not include any material that has proven to be memorable. (There goes my opinion) Obligatory Joni content Similar artists to Joni; Tim Buckley; Jaco Pastorius; Neil Young; Jesse Wichester; Suzanne Vega; James Taylor; Layra Nyro; Lyle Lovett; CSN&Y; Shawn Colvin; Jackson Browne; JOAN ARMATRADING; Jane Siberry; Rickie Lee Jones; Judy Collins; Tom Waits; Patti Smith; Bonnie Raitt; Luka Bloom; Liz Phair; Tori Amos Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:28:30 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni in Fiction again This showed up on Salon.com. Cute. - -Julius My prom date, the spy - - - - - - - - - - - - - By Lisa Zeidner | It must have been 1970, 1971. My copy of Joni Mitchell's "Blue" was already badly scratched, the navy of the album cover faded into a pretty patina. If I'm not even sure of the year, I certainly can't be expected to remember his name, which wasn't anything obvious: Misha, Boris. Whenever I tried to pronounce it, I was sternly corrected. I remember absolutely nothing about his face or body, although I can safely assume that he was, like all of my subsequent boyfriends, tall and thin. He wore a strong adult aftershave, which I found both repellent and sort of interesting. To make out with him was to be surrounded, almost visibly, by a mushroom- (or chef's-hat-) shaped cloud of this aftershave. He was very serious, with good posture and impeccable manners. He was always careful to tip gas station attendants a neatly folded dollar. "Thank you so much. I appreciate your service," he would say, bowing slightly and rolling those Transylvanian R's. His father had instructed him in this American gratuity custom. I told him that, to the best of my knowledge, no one in the history of Silver Spring, Md., had ever tipped a gas station attendant, but it was clear that he didn't value my input as a cultural insider. His parents were both journalists who had traveled around the world; I was a bureaucrat's daughter with a set of Encyclopaedia Britannicas that were outdated before we even unpacked them. "Journalists," my father said. "Sure. 'Journalists.' They're spies, you imbecile. Spies!" I thought this was enormously funny. "The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!" I would squeal, running away and flapping my arms as if I were on fire. This much I knew about the world in 1970: My father was a jerk. But of course the parents were spies. In the den off their living room, they had, instead of a TV in front of a Barcalounger, an entire wall of state-of-the-art transmission equipment with headphones, dials and clocks indicating the current time in Washington, Moscow and London, site of their last posting. The equipment was heavy metal and Buck Rogers-looking, with bad-ass welding joints such as you might find on primitive space shuttles. This equipment, the son told me proudly, was capable of sending a message anywhere on the planet. Since his parents never appeared to be home -- in fact, I'm not sure I ever even met them -- he demonstrated. He let me type in a message to send to Moscow. "Eat Shit and Die, Pig Honky," I typed, letter by letter, into the little scrolling window they still use for stock quotes. That was the current hip expletive: I would guess it was a corruption of something Linda Blair spluttered in "The Exorcist," except that didn't come out until 1973. He pressed a button, and the window informed me, "Message Transmitted." Or rather, it informed him, in Russian, and he translated. "If they were spies," I parried to my father, "do you think they'd teach their son how to use the machine? Do you think he'd let me tell Moscow to go fuck itself?" "He didn't send the message, you moron. He was just trying to impress you, to garner sexual favors." The rest is at: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/09/10/spy/index1.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:29:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Mother and Child Reunion Did anyone else realize yesterday marked the anniversary of Joni and Kilauren's reunion? I sure hope these two are working out their problems and that she gets to see those Grandchildren. BTW, today is my Darling little Anastasia's Birthday! Happy Birthday Sweetie. The big 10! I just can't believe it. rose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:43:57 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #93 In a message dated 4/3/02 3:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Anyone else have a favorite first albums by an artist? >>I think first albums are always very special events, because they usually embody many years of work, fermentation and thought on the part of the artist.<<< >> Phoebe Snow Beth Orton the Cluster Pluckers Lynn Miles Gillian Welch Warren Zevon Great First albums all! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:00:07 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #93 In a message dated 4/3/02 7:44:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, StDoherty@aol.com writes: > Anyone else have a favorite first albums by an artist? > Alana Davis Kim Richey Karla Bonoff Stephen Stills - Solo LP Tears for Fears Sting - Solo LP Leon Russell Jennifer Warnes Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:59:15 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: (sjc) Speaking of Van Gogh... We always knew about the parallels Michael. :) Love, Sharon...stuporous with love Michael Paz wrote: > > Wow I share a Birthday with Vincent and god (Clapton), Far out! > > Paz > > on 4/2/02 10:48 AM, Sharon L. Buffington at sharonbuffington@attbi.com > wrote: > > > March 30, 1853 if my mind serves me correctly. Too lazy to check...but > > My Dad's is March 31...and so that is why I remember it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:14:11 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Accordion Comics and Humor Gee....another cartoon about the accordion. I wonder if Davis reads the Joni site or knows Lori? :) bee girl http://www.mnaccordion.org/comics.htm Accordion Comics and Humor ========================== Garfield accordion call Garfield accordion anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:51:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A Friend Of Spirit, sjc My guess is that he meant pop? >>>Lama, what does your friend mean by "commercial"? Seriously, what does this word mean, especially in the context of Joni?<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:02:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull 1968 I love this tread. I heard STAS when it came out in 1968. Changed my life it did. I started writing songs... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:29:22 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in major and minor... "owen.duff" writes: >ps Im a musician so I can tell a lazy/contrived/cliched chord progression >or melody when I hear it! For what it's worth, I'm a musician, too. I don't think Joni's post-DJRD music is "lazy/contrived/cliched," just uninspired, not as interesting, lacking her early genius. That's the way I hear it, at least. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:40:13 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: "paint a starry night again man" BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote Does anyone know Van Gogh's birthday? I'm crawling with reference books of all kinds, even have one art book devoted exclusively to his portraiture, but all I can find is a *year*; I want to know the *day*; Sharon Buffington wrote: Subject: Re: My friends loved Spain, but hated the food.... Their comment was: JAMON, JAMON JAMON! Apparently there was far too much ham... Mike On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 05:39 PM, Mike Pritchard wrote: >>> If one were going to travel to Spain, should they skip Barcelona? An > acquaintance visited not long ago, and said she would never go back. I > don't > know if it was Madrid or Barcelona that she was referring to, but said > it > was > not an enjoyable time and it was a very dirty city. I usually do not > take > one persons opinion on anything. Also, maybe some of the people there > should > be the ones forced to wear the muzzles whenever entertaining the thought > of going outdoors? > Bree<< No, Barcelona is one of the few places in Spain that one should > not miss, the others being Cordoba, Sevilla and Granada. Spain, and most > of Europe that I've seen, is dirty and covered in grafitti but dogs > are a > problem everywhere, or rather their owners are.mike in bcn, listening to > Norah Jones > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 15:36:46 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: "paint a starry night again man" Yeah...I guess after you cut off your ear...you gotta keep things like a gunshot wound quiet. :) Not that the shot was quiet...well...unless he was in the forest and no one was there..did it make a sound? bee girl marianne marianne wrote: > > BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote > > Does anyone know Van Gogh's birthday? I'm crawling with reference books of > all kinds, even have one art book devoted exclusively to his portraiture, > but all I can find is a *year*; I want to know the *day*; > > Sharon Buffington wrote: > > My Dad's is March 31...and so that is why I remember it. > > And now me. . . > Yeah, I am pretty sure that it is March 30th. He died at age 37, I think. . > . He did most of his painting in the last 10 years of his life when he > lived in Arles France. > > He died from a self inflicted gun shot to the chest. He did not die > suddenly. In fact, it took him about a day and a half. He concealed the > wound. > Apparently, he didn't want anyone to know what he had done. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Mother and Child Reunion - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone else realize yesterday marked the anniversary of Joni and > Kilauren's reunion? I sure hope these two are working out their > problems and > that she gets to see those Grandchildren. BTW, today is my Darling > little > Anastasia's Birthday! Happy Birthday Sweetie. The big 10! I just > can't > believe it. > Yes I did notice their anniversary Rose. I also hope things are going well with the two of them. The relationship between a mother and child post reunion is challenging in thatit is difficult to know just how to 'be' with that child or that mother after so many years. A mother and not, a child and not. Perhaps a new definition is in order. Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:07:16 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Another Euro Joni cover band I think this group is in Denmark, although maybe it's Norway, I'm not sure. No recordings available yet, maybe I can get a live show from them. Anyway, you can read more about them and get some free song samples from "Big Yellow Taxi" at: http://www.bigyellowtaxi.dk/index.htm Bob NP: Let's Active, "I Feel Funny" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:29:22 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Another Euro Joni cover band Bob...I is Danish. I speak some Swedish...very close....WOW...the singer is amazing. I wish she were coming to JoniFest. :) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > I think this group is in Denmark, although maybe it's Norway, I'm not sure. No recordings available yet, maybe I can get a live show from them. Anyway, you can read more about them and get some free song samples from "Big Yellow Taxi" at: > > http://www.bigyellowtaxi.dk/index.htm > > Bob > > NP: Let's Active, "I Feel Funny" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Another Euro Joni cover band Bob sez: > Anyway, you can read more about them and get some free song samples > from "Big Yellow Taxi" at: > > http://www.bigyellowtaxi.dk/index.htm I can READ about them??? Hey, I spent a month in Denmark, but never could figure out what the newspaper stories said! Who knows Danish around here? Sharon says Swedish is close ... please somebody, "Help Me!" : ) Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:44:38 +0100 From: "William" Subject: I Spied My goodness! Joni bits spotted on UK TV three times in one week. Over-exposure. First the squinting sun and the hissing of summer lawns in that Ab Fab episode. Next there's that taxi song on Letterman, and now tonight as I was flicking channels I saw Robot Downer Jr was on Ally - a Christmas there-is-no-Sanity-Clause story line. What a wild notion!! Forgive me, I've never seen the ACOY rendition until now. I'm always running .... WtS NP - Not To Blame, Les Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull 1968 Although I did not listen to or get "Song to a Seagull" until I purchased first Blue and then LOTC, it was still in the relatively early years 72/73. I loved the clarity and the climbs from high to low and low to high, in Joni's voice those days. It is a sound skill that I do miss in Joni in these later years. But there are new voice techniques and still some climbs, although the highs are obviously lower. My favorite era was Blue, FTR and C&S. Then it's very close between STAS/Clouds/LOTC and MOA/HOSL/Hejira. Regardless STAS is probably one of the top 10 debut albums of all time. Kate Bennett wrote: I felt the way when I first heard Shawn Colvin's Steady On. I did too, Kate. And I can remember exactly where I was. I was in a Rose record store thumbing through albums, when I heard the very beginning of "Shotgun Down the Avalanche." My best friend and I were digging in opposite bins of eachother and our heads rose up from the bins and we ran to the front desk where they played the music. Only midway in the run did we even hear her voice! Of course we were then told that it was Shawn Colvin and we both immediately purchased the album. The other albums that come to mind for me are of course - Ricki Lee Jones and an album called Ancient Hearts by Tanita Tikaram. I wonder what ever happened to Tanita, she was still in her teens when she released her debut. And that was over 10 years ago, at least. Her most memorable hit was "Twist in My Sobriety." Peace, Susan Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:25:20 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Great Debut Albums "Anyone else have a favorite first albums by an artist?" Pretenders self-titled debut album (1979) is brilliant. Stylistically nothing like Joni, Chrissie Hynde's lyrics and musical sensibility combine elements of hard rock, reggae, soul and Brit pop all on one influential record. Chrissie is a self-proclaimed JM fanatic, nearly causing a brawl with Carly Simon at a NYC Joni gig a few years back (maybe some of you were there? Would love to hear the non-Rolling Stone version of what went down!). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:44:23 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 28 >And now, on to the playlist: >1. The Bully Boys - Woodstock Medley: subtitled "The Paz/Kakki Special"! >;~) It's actaully a combination on Woodstock along with Long Time Gone, >Suite Judy Blue Eyes, and a little Purple Haze thrown in for good measure. >But it's a lot of fun and I'm a sucker for a fuzztone guitar. Great!! I know a few people who will love hearing this. My introduction to the Bully Boys was in trip out west years ago in a big fat Lincoln Continental loaded with Bully Boys enthusiasts. (the miles flew by.. I will say this) >6. Elvis Costello - Edith & The Kingpin: Not the studio version that's >rotting in the Reprise can, rather a live version from a performance last >year with The Mingus Orchestra last year at UCLA (Elvis is the >artist-in-residence there). A good match for Elvis' emoting vocal. Eager to hear this.....you did a fine job too,BOB. >17. Boots Randolph - Both Sides Now: About what you'd expect from Boots >Randolph, a mostly instrumental version with some cheesy choral lines >tossed in for good measure. The yackakady yuck sax of boots,we were just talking about Boots the other night at my family's Easter dinner. Wondering how some people make it the music biz with little or no real talent. Sorry if there are any Boots fans on the list. Thanks again, Bob, for making it possible for all of us to be able to hear great and not so great Joni covers from stateside to all around the world. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:41:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: A Friend Of Spirit "Boots" spoke of Court and Spark as representative of a commercial phase, in contrast to what he called the "folk" phase (STAS thru LOTC I suppose), and in contrast to what he termed the "jazz" phase and the "synthesizer" phase. He didn't use it disparagingly, but rather he agreed with my accessment that JM transcends whatever paintbrush she holds at the moment. From interviews where she discussed C&S, she told the story of that Liverpool guitarist, (what was his name? the guy who married Yoko?) who chided Joni for being "a product of over-education" and suggested that she "puts some fiddles on it," lest she "let everyone else have your hits *for* you." You know. Not Paul, the other one. The one who married a performance artist and drove a mini Cooper. hee hee. Then in the interviews, she spoke of "trying" to make something accessable (if I recall correctly- an assumption not to taken lightly) and being disappointed when Bobby fell asleep during a playback in some exec's office. Lama, who's up too late again. Fred Simon, jazz pianist par extraordinare asked, [Lama, what does your friend mean by "commercial"? Seriously, what does this word mean, especially in the context of Joni?] Lama's friend "Boots" said, >"Yeah! She's a perfect example! She starts >out in folk, then does some commercial things, then >jazz, then synthesizers! No one has done that like >Joni!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:58:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni in major and minor... I can't play but I cringe at sing-songy meter. Joni never, ever does that. I'm talking about text that has the perfect number of syllables and relies so heavily on cliches that you can spot the rhymning word as they're setting it up with the previous line...... the first time you hear the song. For example, there's a completely predictable song about closing time at a bar. Fill in the blanks..... if you can: "Closing time. One last call for ___ - __ - ____, so drink up your whiskey or beer. Closing time. You don't have to go home but you can't.... stay.... ____." If you said "alcohol" and "here", you qualify for as a songwriting whiz in the brave new world. Not that I can write songs, mind you. No, my specialty is *criticism*. "smecking" is from A Clockwork Orange if I recall correctly which is never a safe assumption. Did I already say that? hee hee Lama Owen said, [ps Im a musician so I can tell a lazy/contrived/cliched chord progression or melody when I hear it!] ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #94 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?