From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #92 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 092 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: michael from mountains ["Mike Pritchard" ] A Friend Of Spirit, sjc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "Rare" DOG EAT DOG on eBay - "MINT in original shrinkwrap" ["Jim L'Ho] 2 Grey Rooms, with a chaser, please... [defintely JC, but technical] [Big] Joni in major and minor... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: "Promises" on Ebert and Roeper [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Diana Krall at Radio City [Susan McNamara ] Re: Diana Krall at Radio City [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Diana Krall at Radio City [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Diana Krall at Radio City [Merk54@aol.com] BYT on Letterman ["William" ] Re: Joni in major and minor... [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #139 - Julia Fordham [BRYAN8847@aol.com] EN RECUERDO DE SANDY DENNY (VLJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:17:23 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: michael from mountains >>Glad you're digging Norah Jones. Have you heard the new Pat Metheny Group album, Speaking Of Now? I really think you should.<< Not yet, but soon. >>A Remark You Made  Weather Report ... does music get more beautiful? No.<< I agree entirely. Beautiful work all round. mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A Friend Of Spirit, sjc I helped a relative of a friend do some remodeling over Easter weekend. He's in his 60s and at the first dinner, we talked about music. "Boots" mentioned Laurie Anderson and Johnny Cash within 10 minutes. He said that the "most transcenedent concert" he ever attended was when Ike and Tina brought their revue to town and their opening artist was some new commer named Don McLean. Bridging the gap, I talked about swing era singers and Dave Brubeck. The next day, when I walked into the kitchen as he was telling Anna about seeing an earlier version of "Starry Night" by Vincent van Gogh when traveling in Chicago. He spoke passionately about the influence of madness on van Gogh's work. I thought, "First, he's citing all these eclectic musical influences, and now he's talking about van Gogh? This guy talks like a JMDLer." Eventually, I steered him back toward music. He gave me a cassette of Ian and Sylvia, a Canadian duo. He turned back to his work, facing away. That did it. I said, "Ya know, yesterday we talked about how sometimes a musician transcends their own genre, like Chuck Berry? There's one person who's done that over and over again. Do you know who Joni Mitchell is?" He turned back, and slowly spoke: "What did you say?" Loudly and slowly, I repeated, "Do you know who Joni Mitchell is?" He looked at Anna like I was "having him on". "Know her? She the best songwriter of the centrury!" I looked at Anna and blinked. Then I looked back at Boots and said, "Yes! Thank you!" He goes, "Yeah! She's a perfect example! She starts out in folk, then does some commercial things, then jazz, then synthesizers! No one has done that like Joni!" and the beat goes on yeah the beat goes on Lama Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 08:56:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Rare" DOG EAT DOG on eBay - "MINT in original shrinkwrap" LPs on eBay? Uhhhh. Bad. Very bad. eBay bad. eBay LPs mine. All mine. No touch LPs on eBay. Very bad. Thank you. Lama ps, Has anyone ever seen a premium edition of "For The Roses" on LP? Like a Japanese import maybe? I have a Japanese copy of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" AND a promo, white label copy of Joni's "Mingus" to trade. - --- Lori in MD wrote about an unopened copy of DED on eBay: > Less than an hour left, folks! : ) Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:41:37 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: 2 Grey Rooms, with a chaser, please... [defintely JC, but technical] Hi, Howard, [and I'm sending this to the list, too, in case anyone else can help] I'm still enjoying going back and playing some of the Joni from the Blue and FTR era; and of course, I'm loving having some of the more recent pieces, too. One does wonder what Joni was thinking, writing Sunny Sunday in C# -- I ignore it and play it almost automatically raised to D, which is a hell of a lot easier; and, as it turns out, works perfectly in my scheme to bring that song together with I Don't Know... and Harry's House. [for anyone who doesn't know, I play piano, but I can make some sense of guitar tablatures] But the reason I'm writing -- I have no idea if you have the time or the inclination to check this out -- is Two Grey Rooms. There are a couple of errors in the transcription, I'm pretty sure (what else is new?), but I wanted to see what you thought. Specifically: Right at the beginning, the first two chords that open the song: The first is a plain old D/E(5) -- but the second chord, written as D(add G) in chord tablature above, is written as (from the top down) F#, C(!), A, G. Of course, if one corrects the C to a D, it's way better, but what I'm hearing in the recording is F#, D, B, A and possibly a G on the bottom or something. More like a D6/G or D6add4, the latter of which is too crowded. Hope you don't mind me bothering you about this -- I'll try not to make too much of a habit of it. I do have some questions about the piano transcription for "River"; the jingle bells sequence at the end isn't correct as written, I think, but I haven't done the listening part of my homework on that one (yes, I give myself homework). I'm in the early stages of another possible pastiche that may already have been "done" by any number of jmdlers, a Christmas pastiche combining River with Chinese Cafe's third verse, and Facelift. I'd add in Gift of the Magi (what a beautiful, haunting song! I'm just getting to know it), but I'm currently working without a broswer, so I can't check the guitar tablature database at jmdl to see if it's been done; bummer. This too shall pass. Oh, I've also been working on Man From Mars -- the transcription is regrettably more like Joni's somewhat shrill [referring to the piano, only; her voice is fine] version on TtT; I much prefer her own "unofficial" version, yours, and the one from Grace of My Heart, so I'm listening to those for inspiration. The sole reason I'm working on MFM is that it's actually suitable for my unbelievably limited voice. :-) Wouldn't you know, probably because of sickness, when I played piano for the first time in 3 weeks yesterday and sang, I was able to reach notes I hadn't even attempted since the '70's, when I didn't sing that well, either, for that matter, but I had more range to my croak back then. Robert, my partner, stopped and looked at me with some amazement during one of the songs, when i hit a relatively high note. "You sound diffferent today." Sigh. Yeah, all I needed was the flu. Hope all is well at your end, Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:11:02 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Joni in major and minor... Hi, Fred, I so enjoyed reading your notes to Mark (from last Wednesday)on the list re: Joni's use of major-to-minor shifts and chromaticity, that I printed it up. I've been working on I Don't Know Where I Stand for some time now, and she does the kind of thing you talked about in spades; the shift in the scat part (doo doo doo doo doo..., for anyone who isn't familiar with the word scat :-) is one of the hardest things I've ever worked on. For a week, I was convinced that the published piano transcription was wrong, but after repeated listening, I finally decided it was correct. [for anyone who cares: The chord progession I hear during that doo-doo part is: A(9), G(9), Bbm(9), Gdim9, F9, and returning to D(9) for the last verse; I no longer recall what key the original was written in -- don't have it here -- but I'm doing it in D for the moment] Joni still does some of the major-minor thing (in Facelift, to some part) and certainly does some chromatic stuff still (Man From Mars has both, I think), b ut it's not as pronounced as it used to be. The rising and falling to show emotional shift is brilliantly shown in Facelift, where in the last line of each verse, she goes up to sing "Happiness is the best facelift!" (chromatically). MfM uses falling in exactly the complimentary way. Towards the end of each verse, when she sings "Man from mars...", and then pauses, it suggests to me trying to get someone's attention; and then her voice drops heartbreakingly and she sings (chomatically) "This time you've gone too far." Can you guess which songs I like best on TtT? A lot of her chords nowadays -- and maybe for a long time, come to think of it -- seem to be "9's" (really "add2's"), or occasionally "11's" (="add4's"). That's fine with me. I like 9's. They sound indecisive to me. Hope all is well at your end, Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:14:56 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: "Promises" on Ebert and Roeper In a message dated 3/26/02 10:31:36 PM, Ashara wrote: << I almost never watch TV at all, but I know someone that was up for Best Documentary, so had to watch for him. Alas, the film didn't win, but is a fantastic documentary. Check it out if you see it come 'round to your neck of the woods. The film is called "Promises" and it interviews kids in Israel, on both sides of the conflict. >> Ashara, I'm alsmost sure Ebert and Roeper (At The Movies) reviewed that movie, and loved it. Sorry your friend didn't get the oscar, but from what I could gather from the reviews, it's beautiful and, alas, timely. Hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:46:53 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Diana Krall at Radio City Hi Jack and other beloved JMDLs: I really enjoyed your post last week about you calling out "A Case of You" at the Krall concert in Chicago. I'm not trying to get you mad at me, but when I saw Diana at Radio City in NY on Saturday night, yes, she did indeed play an inspired version of A Case of You. So I must thank you so much for putting the bug in her head to practice that tune so she could play it for me and Kate on Saturday night!!! :-) She was really amazing. She played a bunch of great stuff and her bass player was AMAZING! (john clayton) Take care, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:54:02 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall at Radio City Sue, I'm so glad to hear Diana played A Case of You in NY! She does such a beautiful rendition of that song. It was definitely the highlight of the Joni Tribute for me. While I totally enjoyed the whole tribute (Lauper's Carey was an absolute joy!), Krall's version of ACOY literally took my breath away. It deserves to be heard by as many people as possible. The way I see it, I got to hear her play The Border Song, and I've now got ACOY on the Live in Paris DVD, so all in all, I can't complain. It's great to know she hasn't dropped from her set completely. Thanks for the update, and you're right, John Clayton is awesome. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:12:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall at Radio City <> Besides the recording on the DVD, her performance on the TNT tribute is available on VHS or CD, and in the "Covers" collection we've got the live recording she did for a promo-only recording called "Bushnell's Big Bash". Happy to do B&P for anybody who wants copies. Bob, with more covers news right around the corner... NP: Led Zeppelin, "In My Time Of Dying" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:52:40 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Diana Krall at Radio City I've never heard the Bushnell's Big Bash version of ACOY, but I like the tribute version a little better than the Live in Paris version. The emotions in it seem a little rawer. But the Paris version ain't bad, and the sound is awesome. Bob, do you have a preference here? Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 00:47:29 +0100 From: "William" Subject: BYT on Letterman Joni gets played and mentioned on Letterman, April Fool's Day show in Britain, possibly the day before Stateside. Letterman's Top Ten Things You Don't Want to Hear in a NYC Taxi ends with the band playing Big Yellow Taxi and Letterman acknowledging the song and writer. Willy the Shake Oh and the #1 thing you don't wanna hear was - "Next stop, Kandahar." NP - Magdalene Laundries, Les Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:56:09 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in major and minor... Thanks for your kind words, Walt. Glad you find all this interesting. "I Don't Know Where I Stand" is a classic version of what I've been talking about, and her little vocal "horn" solo is brilliant, especially over such unusual chordal movement. Her chordal language has always had an abundance of pungent color tones, major and minor 9, major and minor 11, add 2, add 4, major and minor 7ths with and without raised 4ths ... the whole palette. Sometimes they may sound more indecisive, but generally produce the effect of emotional complexity and richness. "Man From Mars" is one of the few recent songs that recall her early musical dialect (yes, especially the music to which the line "This time you've gone too far" is set), but unfortunately I don't find it as inspired. As I've written before (probably too many damn times for some folks' taste here), whatever musical gift she once had for composition has long since dissipated. This saddens me, but in no way diminishes the magnitude of her earlier achievement, which is among the most towering of the modern era. Fred In a message dated 4/1/02 2:11:02 PM, BigWaltinSF writes: >Hi, Fred, > >I so enjoyed reading your notes to Mark (from last Wednesday)on the list >re: Joni's use of major-to-minor shifts and chromaticity, that I printed >it up. > >I've been working on I Don't Know Where I Stand for some time now, and >she does the kind of thing you talked about in spades; the shift in the >scat part (doo doo doo doo doo..., for anyone who isn't familiar with the >word scat :-) is one of the hardest things I've ever worked on. For a >week, I was convinced that the published piano transcription was wrong, >but after repeated listening, I finally decided it was correct. [for anyone >who cares: The chord progession I hear during that doo-doo part is: A(9), >G(9), Bbm(9), Gdim9, F9, and returning to D(9) for the last verse; I no >longer recall what key the original was written in -- don't have it here >-- but I'm doing it in D for the moment] > >Joni still does some of the major-minor thing (in Facelift, to some part) >and certainly does some chromatic stuff still (Man From Mars has both, >I think), but it's not as pronounced as it used to be. The rising and >falling to show emotional shift is brilliantly shown in Facelift, where >in the last line of each verse, she goes up to sing "Happiness is the best >facelift!" (chromatically). MfM uses falling in exactly the complimentary >way. Towards the end of each verse, when she sings "Man from mars...", >and then pauses, it suggests to me trying to get someone's attention; >and then her voice drops heartbreakingly and she sings (chomatically) "This >time you've gone too far." > >Can you guess which songs I like best on TtT? > >A lot of her chords nowadays -- and maybe for a long time, come to think >of it -- seem to be "9's" (really "add2's"), or occasionally "11's" (="add4's"). > That's fine with me. I like 9's. They sound indecisive to me. > >Hope all is well at your end, >Best, > >Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:46:24 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #139 - Julia Fordham Really glad to hear Julia has a new collection coming up. Vocally (though not as a composer or lyricist) she is the "closest to Joni" as any other singer I've heard, sounding very much like Joni in the mid-late 70's. Not that I make a habit of comparing others to Joni of course...Of course I do, I can't help it, she's the muscial touchstone. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:20:47 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: EN RECUERDO DE SANDY DENNY (VLJC) I got this from my brother and thought that some of you who are big on Sandy Denny might get a kick out of it. It has a whole list of songs that she participated in including a bunch of Joni tunes. Paz - ------ Forwarded Message http://www.terra.es/personal2/gallego2000/ - ------ End of Forwarded Message [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type message/external-body which had a name of EN RECUERDO DE SANDY DENNY.url"; x-mac-creator="41726368"; x-mac-type="4155524C] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:19:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: EN RECUERDO DE SANDY DENNY (VLJC) <> Hey Mikey, that's a cool site - lots of info! Of course those Joni tunes were the ones she did with Fairport, including the only cover of Eastern Rain. Bob NP: The Band, "Ophelia" (listening to it on my brand-new computer setup with sweet Boston Acoustic speakers with a subwoofer yet...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:53:47 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Song to a Seagull 1968 Just reacting to the thinness of Joni content on the list these days... Believe it or not, I've only now just discovered Joni's first album, Song to a Seagull, originally releaed in 1968 (Say what??) Wow! I was truly amazed at the sheer beauty of the voice, and was deeply touched by her renditions of The Dawntreader (a precursor to Song for Sharon?) and Cactus Tree, among others. I would even venture to say, that perhaps her voice never sounded better (although surely there are those who would disagree.) I think first albums are always very special events, because they usually embody many years of work, fermentation and thought on the part of the artist. Surprsingly, I was astounded (and relieved) to discover that the music (very elegant and pared down) doesn't sound dated to this jaded ear of 2002. That's very impressive indeed. Go Joni! This album must surely join my list of absolute Joni favorites. Dreaming of crocus and forsythia in Quebec... Michaelo ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #92 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?