From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 27 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 086 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 26 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Michael From Mountains [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JONI: CBC-TV [Shnootre@aol.com] Re: JONI: CBC-TV [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV [Ken ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV [Rick and Susan ] Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! [colin ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV [Mags N Brei ] Jack's story ["marianne marianne" ] Liza's 3 Octaves vs. Joni & Sheryl Crow ["Kate Bennett" "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Michael From Mountains > >Since buying Judy Collins' 'Wildflowers' I've been sort of hearing 'Michael >From Mountains' with new ears. All these years that I've been listening >to Joni's version on 'Song To A Seagull' I've always thought this song (and >all the songs on STAS) had a very pretty melody. But hearing it in a more >orchestral setting on 'Wildflowers' has made me hear just how unique & >unusual this melody is. > >I think it was Fred who wrote a post about loving Joni's early songs because >the melodies were more interesting and unusual. If I remember right, Fred, >you mentioned that Joni's early songs often seemed to shift between minor >& major chords or keys and that this created an effect that you admired. >I'm not a musician so please excuse my fumbling for terminology & my ignorance. >But listening to Judy's version of 'MFM' (hey that could be 'Michael From >Mountains' or 'Man From Mars' - sometimes those anagrams can get confusing) >I'm pretty sure I can distinctly hear what you were referring to. The >phrase 'There's oil in puddle in taffeta patterns' sounds like a major >key to me but then the following phrase 'that run down the drain' sounds minor. >Am I right or did I land in a puddle and now I'm all wet? The funny thing >is that this never struck me as particularly different or remarkable in >Joni's version of the song. It was just part of the melody & I never >thought much about it. But in the Judy Collins version it is so obvious >to me. It really gives me a new appreciation of this particular song and >of course of the genius behind it. > >Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:39:36 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV According to CBC's Website (tv.cbc.ca"): "Please note: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and then, Parts One and Two, originally scheduled for broadcast March 26th and April 2, 2002 at 7 p.m. has been postponed until fall 2002 due to unforeseen production difficulties." Does anyone know the scoop on this? And how might some of us stuck in the U.S. get our hands on this program when it ultimately does broadcast? - -Dan Sonenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:53:55 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV Shnootre@aol.com wrote: > According to CBC's Website (tv.cbc.ca"): > > "Please note: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and then, Parts One and Two, originally scheduled for broadcast March 26th and April 2, 2002 at 7 p.m. has been postponed until fall 2002 due to unforeseen production difficulties." What a surprise. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:26:16 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV NUTS! Thanks for the warning though. Shnootre@aol.com wrote: >According to CBC's Website (tv.cbc.ca"): > >"Please note: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and then, Parts One and Two, originally scheduled for broadcast March 26th and April 2, 2002 at 7 p.m. has been postponed until fall 2002 due to unforeseen production difficulties." > >Does anyone know the scoop on this? And how might some of us stuck in the U.S. get our hands on this program when it ultimately does broadcast? > >-Dan Sonenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:00:58 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV > According to CBC's Website (tv.cbc.ca"): > "Please note: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and then, Parts One and Two, > originally scheduled for broadcast March 26th and April 2, 2002 at 7 p.m. has > been postponed until fall 2002 due to unforeseen production difficulties." Rats, and I just went out and bought several high-end video tapes. Looks like it will now come out around the same time as it appears on PBS in the States. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! Hi Cindy. Welcome! I haven't read the other responses to you yet, so please excuse any repetition :-) Yes, we've been talking about a lot of different things, which is pretty normal. Sometimes we'll have several Joni threads going, and sometimes we talk about other things. (If you find this overwhelming, you can always go the "Joni-only" route (and miss out on all the emails with NJC (no Joni content) in the subject line. A lot of us know each other and some of us have met in person. There have been gathering in several locations, with the "JoniFests" in the U.S. northeast (New England until this coming year) and New Orleans. As anyone who has been to one will tell you, JoniFests are fantastic!!! We also trade Joni music - tapes of early concerts, for example. Plus Bob Muller is the king of covers, with 27 (or is it 28? now) volumes of Joni songs covered by other artists. It sounds like you and I are pretty much the same age and discovered Joni at about the same time. Yes, Joni has always talked in her songs about what was next in life. And yet, her songs have always been relevant to my life at the moment, too. Oh, there are some 'threads' and questions that we've done a bunch. so pay no mind to the collective groan when we get into those topics. The "what does SIQUOMB (she is queen of mind beauty - but you knew that) stand for" question always elicits a moan, that and "what does NP (now playing) or NPIMH (now playing in my head) stand for." Plus there's the Dog Eat Dog debate that rages unresolved. A few of us really like DED, but the majority seem to look askance at it. (I guess you can tell where I stand...) There are somewhere around 800 members of the list worldwide. But a lot of people are "lurkers" (isn't it time to revive the "what do we call people who read posts, but don't post" thread. "Lurker" just sounds rather menacing. And, yes, that was a groan you heard from about 800 people :-) Well, I guess I've rambled enough. So, welcome to the list Cindy! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! Hi Alan. You know, I've been debating what to send you next. But maybe I should just send a few different lyrics and let you choose. btw, do you want to hear the original melody I wrote for "Steal a Star?" If not, that's ok - I thought it might be fun for you to see how you gave the song life. So, here's one song. (I have written melodies for all of these, but as I've said before, the melodies kind of drag, I think.) ________________________________________________ Crying on the Shoulder of the Road Ive been traveling down loves highway Romance goes the wrong way Passes by every day I dont know why Ive been sharing this road with Caddys You know they sure are pretty But they dont make me happy They fly right by CHORUS: So now Im crying on the shoulder of the road Tomorrow Ill be ready, ready to roll No more fast lane flings I want the real thing Til then Im crying on the shoulder of the road Send me a strong man who is steady Dont need a fancy fool who says he Knows everything I need already No not me Ive been looking for love all over For the perfect kind of lover With a heart thats true and tender Thats what I need CHORUS: But now Im... BRIDGE: Im looking for that romantic ride Someone tried and true by my side CHORUS: Til then Im... copyright (c) 2002, Anne Sandstrom ________________________________________________ cheers! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:44:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: I'm Cindy and I'm New! > Any info about how I may be able to contribute to the > dialouge would be appreciated. Hello Cindy and welcome. Just conritbute as when your heart and mind desire. there is no right way to do it. Just if it isn;t about joni or her work, tag it NJC. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV Shnootre@aol.com wrote: > > > According to CBC's Website (tv.cbc.ca"): > > > > "Please note: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now and then, Parts One and > Two, originally scheduled for broadcast March 26th and April 2, 2002 > at 7 p.m. has been postponed until fall 2002 due to unforeseen > production difficulties." Jerry wrote: > What a surprise. Maybe they are waiting to use the Tribute album as the soundtrack for the 2 hours worth of show? ;-) Brei, already is E.S.C. np: Laura Nyro - Time and Love - The Essential Masters (with new liner notes and digitally remastered from the original tapes) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:16:07 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Jack's story Jack, Your story about the concert and waiting for A Case of You and Joni's orchestrated version of Both Sides Now broadcasted over the speakers at the concert's end was beautiful. It brought such emotion to me just hearing about it. A gift. and.......... < listened to Joni Mitchell all the way down here, and basically just reflected onwhat an incredible song writer she is, and that in looking at this eventthrough that particular window, she couldn't be happier. < This too was beautiful to hear about. Thank you Jack. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:54:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Liza's 3 Octaves vs. Joni & Sheryl Crow hey Lindsay...synchronicity- watched bravos musicians last night & Sheryl was the guest...she played that song & some others...i thought one of her guitars was out of tune (that she played home on & another in the beginning) i am always hearing out of tune guitars too!, i love that song...i believe it is on her second release (that i forget the name of) which i have listened to many times but never heard the song as out of tune...but i will have to go listen again... also, last night she did a little snippet of her operatic ability...i had seen her once on tv in concert with Pavarotti (sp?) & was blown away by the fact that she has this whole other vocal side to her.. >>On another musical note, I heard Sheryl Crow sing a great song on the radio. I felt like I'd heard it before, great tune, a ballad, with the chorus, "and this is ho-o-o-me..." Another line about something 'tearing me apart.' Maybe some of you know it. The thing that caught me though was one of her guitar strings sounded out of tune and that's all I could focus on. Ugh! I kept grunting! Tune the guitar! How could you record that out-of-tune string! Anyone else hear it? To me, Sheryl's voice often sounds flat. Is it me?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:10:38 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #134 - Janis Ian's latest Not sure if anyone answered the "What is Janis Ian's latest stuff like?" question, but, by and large, it is very good -- though her albums don't match her performing skills. Of her "third career," which started in the early 90s, "Breaking Silence" and the latest, "god & the fbi," are the clearly superior sets. "god" has some very strong melodies, a nice duet with Willie Nelson on a beautiful song called "Memphis," and a great variety of muscical styles, from ballads, to orchestrated rock, to neo-country (but not that icky contemporary country). There's a very powerful song called "On the Other Side," about a person who has died, gone to the 'other side' and is looking back at their death - which happened while saving people from a burning, collapsing building. It has very mystical, 9/11 overtones but was composed pre-9/11. "god" was released the same day as Both Sides Now. It and Breaking Silence (which contains "Some People's Lives," one of the best songs ever written by, by anyone) are hard to find in stores (Janis has, unfortunately, signed with record complanies that either go out of business or drop her because of slow sales), but are available on Amazon.com or at janisian.com. There, I'm off the Janis soapbox and will let it rest..... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:24:32 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: New CD Player Hey Gang: Over the weekend, while nursing a tired and unshaven boyfriend on the verge of coma with the worst case of the flu I have seen, my CD player died. At my house, the stereo system mystifies me. I usually have to call Al, the self-proclaimed Sound Guy when anything goes wrong. Well, Al-thesoundguy (he s ays it in one breath), pronounced my player dead and off we went to the stereo store. Al-thesoundguys' sage advice is always, buy cheap -- buy again, so too many dollars later, we are back home with a Cadillac charged with doing the job of a Chevy. This thing is amazing. You can hook a computer keyboard into the front of it and key in the artist name and other information for 400 discs. Handy as hell. So, several hours and even more beers (MGD only, thank you) later, Al-thesoundguy has me all set to go. I can choose to listen to the entire catalogue of an artist (if I have all of 'em), or even what I have of 'em, a theme (lounge music), or listen to a collection of CDs (as categorized) just right for a certain occasion or mood: 1. Rick's Picks 2. Female Vocalists 3. Cocktails 4. Dinner 5. Brad's Picks 6. Latin Music 7. Sex and Romance (not to be missed) 8. Pool and Party Now, my poor NJC friends are saying, where is the JC? Well, Al-thesoundman is a JM fan. I was quite surprised, given his surly and bearded demeanor. But a devoted fan he is. Like me, he is a middle-to-late period guy. Still cringing as he frequently referred to JM as a *cool chick singer,* after our heart-to-heart chat about Joni's output, I left my musical fate in his tobacco-stained/inked, yet keyboard-ready hands. In the Joni Mitchell Artist mode, he left Blue and C&S forward, excluding Mingus and Hits and Misses. The losers were relegated to another lesser system in another part of the house. He even left H in the mix, beyond my protests, given my emotional aversion to that piece of work. Of course, DED (his favorite as well) had a place of prominence - Disc 200. Since then, until I left for San Diego today (Hi Lindsay!) I have been self-endulged with my favorite Joni sounds. Between trips to the bedroom with bowls of healing soups, I have happily and automatically shuffled between 30-odd years of output. It's been serendipitous having a boyfriend racked with fever not saying "shut that off -- she's too depressing!" Over the course of these days, I have learned a deeper appreciation for H. Setting aside age-old emotional aversions. Even the prior stranger to me, TTT, which has lived in the CD rack for years has become a friend. I feel indebted to Al-thesoundguy. He even explained Happiness is the Best Face Lift and parental disapproval in a touching way. He related a story of parental abuse that made any other I've heard irrelevant. Sometimes I take JM for granted -- like she will always be there -- always recording. When one ponders the fact that she is getting older, the state of the music business, and the next may be the last -- reflecting on the amazing output of the last thirty years is just staggering. But look at me -- a travel-torn Coyote -- telling this to the choir. H, for the first time, is staying in my new Cadillac CD player. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #86 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?