From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #81 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 081 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 21 [les@jmdl.com] Songs Inspired by Literature [Deb Messling ] Pat's solo on S&L ["Laurent Olszer" ] Painting with Words & Music ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Songs Inspired by Literature [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joni, flesh-eating zombies and sally struthers [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Pat's solo on S&L [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Top 100 guitar players [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Top 100 gitar payers ["Kate & CJ" ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Susan McNamara ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [FredNow@aol.com] Joni and Johnny ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Randy Remote ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Randy Remote ] Joni counts! ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni counts! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joni in odd places ["Victor Johnson" ] Top 100 guitar players ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni counts! [colin ] Re: Pat's solo on S&L [Michael Paz ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Michael Paz ] Re: Jaco [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Top 100 guitar players [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Top 100 guitar players ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: on diana krall & joni's managers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 - women guitarists [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:07:00 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 21 On March 21 the following articles were published: 2000: "Joni Mitchell Taps Orchestras For Tour" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000321as.cfm 2000: "Strings Attached" - VH1 Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000321vh1.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:21:30 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Songs Inspired by Literature There's an adult literacy organization called Songs Inspired by Literature which tries to use popular songs to encourage literacy in reluctant readers. Their web site lists a bunch of famous songs, including Joni's Both Sides Now and Slouching Towards Bethlehem. Are there any other Joni songs specifically inspired by literature, documented in either liner notes or interviews? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:09:46 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Pat's solo on S&L From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Jaco > > Not to mention Pat Metheny's guitar solo between Amelia and Hejira that in > my opinion is the greatest guitar solo of all time. The expressiveness of > this solo is just stunning. I have a couple of other recordings from that > tour and that night it was positively brilliant. > > Best > > Paz > Couldn't agree more with you on this one. Actually everything else I've heard (briefly) by Pat was by comparison....well, soporific. It made me wonder if Pat wasn't at his best when playing other people's music. Is there any other Pat recording which rises up to the level of the S&L solo? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:10 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Painting with Words & Music > From: Reuben3rd@aol.com > Subject: Re: "Painting With Words and Music" > > I just started buying DVD's after Christmas this winter (I held off for years, because I knew once I started, there would be no stopping me :) > > I have PWWords... on VHS. Is there anything extra on the DVD that will make it hard for me to resist? > Hi Reuben, I also began with the PWWAM on VHS and subsequently bought the DVD. The main advantage for me is if you plug into your stereo system you'll get CD sound quality, which even a hifi VHS is far from. By the way, if you're using a separate processor then you can get a cheap DVD player and use the hifi processor instead of the DVD player's buit in one for great sound. PWWAM is the main reason (along with JIMI), I purchased a DVD player and it's worth it. Also you don't have to worry about playing the tape to death. Regarding the taping of the concert, I'm curious: does Joni use the same guitar retuned for each song, or different guitars, or a VG-8? What was the lag in between songs during the shooting? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:09:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs Inspired by Literature <> The Boho Dance, inspired by Thomas Wolfe's "The Painted Word" "Love" inspired (actually a rewrite) of the Corinthians chapter. A case could probably be made for "Passion Play" being biblically inspired as well And isn't there a connection between DJRD & Carlos Casteneda (sp)? Bob NP: RLJ, "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:03:06 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni, flesh-eating zombies and sally struthers From yesterday's PageSix.Com, by Richard Johnson: MANY readers wonder about the "Webster Hall curator Baird Jones" who's often quoted on this page. Who is this Jones? And why does a nightclub have a curator? Jones recently answered those questions. For the post-premiere party for "Resident Evil" - in which Milla Jovovich and Michelle Rodriguez play highly empowered feminists who put a major whipping on flesh-eating zombies - Jones put together an exhibit titled "Grrrl Power," which included paintings (all bought at various auctions) by Joni Mitchell, Candice Bergen, Kim Novak, Elke Summer, Sally Struthers, and Whoopi Goldberg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:17:04 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Pat's solo on S&L I agree also in applauding Pat's S&L solo. I had a few of his recordings on vinyl, but haven't replaced them on CD yet. Although I really enjoyed everything of his I had, I can't say anything quite grabbed me like that solo. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:07:04 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players I think that if Joni had been male, she'd have been higher up on the list. No flames, please? I think it's amazing that out of 100 people, there's only one female listed. Terry << It's the "top 100 guitar players of all time". Joni's #74 and is the only woman on the list. Not sure I agree with Blue being a classic moment since the dulcimer is the most prominent string instrument. And I don't remember many percussive guitar sounds on LOTC. What do the guitarists here think? http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12 >> www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:45:03 -0500 From: "Kate & CJ" Subject: Re: Top 100 gitar payers > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson represent. > Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for blueser Deborah > Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. Julius, you meant Nancy Wilson of Heart, right? And how about a vote for Patty Larkin! Little more than lurking, CJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:27:33 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Hi Debra: This list has been around for a while and I remember having the same reaction when I first saw it. This is a popularity list, not a skill list. Just the fact that people like Joe Pass and Doc Watson are in the 60s and 70s shows the ignorance. Ry Cooder 66? I even have HUGE issues with Hendrix being 1 and Mark Knopfler being 77. Hello? Duane Allman is way too far down the list, too. The fact that Joni is the only woman on the list doesn't surprise me either. Where's Nancy Wilson? Bite me. Take care, sue (who doesn't want to be on any list that would have me!) > >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:15:42 -0500 >From: dsk >Subject: Top 100 guitar players > >Have y'all seen this yet? > >It's the "top 100 guitar players of all time". Joni's #74 and is the >only woman on the list. Not sure I agree with Blue being a classic >moment since the dulcimer is the most prominent string instrument. And I >don't remember many percussive guitar sounds on LOTC. What do the >guitarists here think? > >http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12 > >Debra Shea > >------------------------------ - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:50:16 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Les Irvin writes: >Looking at the top 25, I'm not sure that BB King is a 'better' guitar player than >Pat Metheny - or that Keith Richard and Pete Townshend are better than Charlie >Christian. Not taking anything away from anybody's talent, but I just >don't think the list is what it claims to be. I'm not sure what the list claims to be. But such comparisons and rankings are absurd, apples to marmosets. And everyone will consider it to have at least one egregious omission; for me, Bill Frisell as an "HONERABLE (sic) MENTION"? I don't think so. And picking one of Joni's piano songs as a "Classic Moment" on guitar ... nice going! But I suppose it could be taken as "a list of 100 guitarists worth recognizing for one reason or another, in no particular order." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:03:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni and Johnny > The most memorable night was in '69. Kris Kristofferson sang > "Me and Bobby McGee," Bob Dylan sang "Lay Lady Lay," > Joni Mitchell sang "Both Sides Now," Graham Nash sang > "Marrakesh Express," and Shel Silverstein sang "A Boy > Named Sue"; all in the same night. People had never heard > those songs, and the very next week, when I played San Quentin > prison, I took "A Boy Named Sue" with me." thanks paul...wow, that is an amazing night! however, i am not sure about johnny's choice pick of songs... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:51:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson represent. Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for blueser Deborah Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. Yeah! Bonnie Raitt should be there, too. A fine guitarist and one of the best slide players alive... Glaringly missing from the list is Django Reinhardt, who should be among the top 2. Also, George Benson, Martin Taylor, and any number of jazz guys could play the pants off any of the punk guys listed. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:53:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson represent. Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for blueser Deborah Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. Yeah! Bonnie Raitt should be there, too. A fine guitarist and one of the best slide players alive... Glaringly missing from the list is Django Reinhardt, who should be among the top 2. Also, George Benson, Martin Taylor, and any number of jazz guys could play the pants off any of the punk guys listed. RR ps...it may be right that Joni doesn't play guitar anywhere on "Blue", just dulcimer and piano...maybe "Little Green"? Better examples of her playing might be "Silky Veils" or "Refuge of the Roads". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:52:34 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Joni counts! its driving me crazy - which song is this lyric from? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:45:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni counts! <> Magdalene Laundries...don't go crazy!! ;~) Bob NP: RLJ, "The Real End" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:36:15 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: joni in odd places I walked into Office Max this morning to buy some supplies and I heard "Ludwig's Tune" coming out from over by the computers. I walked over closer and sure enough, it was blasting away on this HP computer, over the piped in store music. I'm not sure where it was coming from but it was a very pleasant surprise as I hadn't expected to hear any Joni this morning, least of all "Judgement of the Moon and Stars." Someone must have known it was exactly what I wanted to hear. As I was walking out I heard the beginning of "Car on a Hill". Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the spring to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:45:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Top 100 guitar players Thanks Debra...I hadn't seen it. These things are always so fascinating & weird at the same time...definately subjective THANK YOU Julius aka the artists formerly known as Fucko for mentioning all those great female guitar players...what will it TAKE for everyone's awareness to change concerning women as musicians?!?!?!?!?! (I know preaching to the choir here) ...sometimes it seems like we haven't evolved very far from the days of Mozart concerning this particular issue... I would have moved Carlos & Mark K up to near the top but thats just me...i just love the spiritual/emotional feeling that flys out from their creations And what about one of the worlds greatest, yet somehow unknown or undermentioned guitarists Jeff Pevar...who has such versatility & channels many great guitar players...??????????????! Glad to see the miraculous Jimi up there at the top however. >>Have y'all seen this yet? It's the "top 100 guitar players of all time". Joni's #74 and is the only woman on the list. Not sure I agree with Blue being a classic moment since the dulcimer is the most prominent string instrument. And I don't remember many percussive guitar sounds on LOTC. What do the guitarists here think? http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:47:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni counts! Magdelene laundries "J.David Sapp" wrote: > > > its driving me crazy - which song is this lyric from? > peace, david - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:25:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Pat's solo on S&L I am glad you asked that. Personally I love New Chataqua and Pat Metheny Group (with Phaze Dance on it), American Garage, Offramp, and the brilliant As Falls Witchita So Falls Witchita Falls (I LOVE the song Ozark by Lyle Mays). I also love Missouri Sky with Charlie Haden and I love the album with Jim Hall. OMG then theres Bright Size Life... Paz (a true Fan) P.S. The only one I really cannot deal with was the Noise album can't remember the exact title. on 3/21/02 6:09 AM, Laurent Olszer at olszer@xlsecurity.com wrote: > > Couldn't agree more with you on this one. Actually everything else I've > heard (briefly) by Pat was by comparison....well, soporific. It made me > wonder if Pat wasn't at his best when playing other people's music. Is > there any other Pat recording which rises up to the level of the S&L solo? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:34:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Terry I know like Jennifer Batten or Leni Stern or Emily Remmler never existed. Yet we can name all these other hacks cause they were in a 3 chord band that was the shit for 15 minutes. Oh god stop me please! Paz P.S. Are you coming to JoniFest??????? We need a drummer!!!!!!! on 3/21/02 7:07 AM, TerryM2222@aol.com at TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > I think that if Joni had been male, she'd have been higher up on the list. > > No flames, please? I think it's amazing that out of 100 people, there's only > one female listed. > > Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:49:11 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Jaco Amen! And pass the butter! The "absolute" greatest guitar solo of all time!!! Don't get me started on the "Shadows and Light" CD! The entire thing is a work of perfection! I've never seen Joni live, but for me, there is nothing that can top this partnership of great musicians. For me, it will never get any better than Shadows and Light. I can't even begin to describe the beauty and artistic expression of Pat's solo. The tone of his guitar adds to the beauty of the solo. the way he connects his chords with beautiful runs up the guitar takes my breath away. I like the way you describe it as "expressiveness." I also have Synesthesia, so I not only hear Pat's solo, I can "see" it as well. For me, it varies in shades of pink and blue and gives me an added joy. It sounds like you were there live. Say it ain't so! Not being at that concert will probably be one of the greatest regrets of my life. However, I am overjoyed if indeed, you were able to attend. Sherelle In a message dated 03/20/2002 8:56:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > Not to mention Pat Metheny's guitar solo between Amelia and Hejira that in > my opinion is the greatest guitar solo of all time. The expressiveness of > this solo is just stunning. I have a couple of other recordings from that > tour and that night it was positively brilliant. > > Best > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:37:29 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players I would like to add Ellen McIlwaine to this list of women guitar players. I know she isn't well known but a power in her own right. Heather At 12:53 PM 3/21/02 -0800, Randy Remote wrote: >JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > > > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson > represent. Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for > blueser Deborah Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. > >Yeah! >Bonnie Raitt should be there, too. A fine guitarist and one of the best >slide players alive... >Glaringly missing from the list is Django Reinhardt, who should be among >the top 2. Also, George Benson, Martin Taylor, and any number of >jazz guys could play the pants off any of the punk guys listed. >RR >ps...it may be right that Joni doesn't play guitar anywhere on "Blue", >just dulcimer and piano...maybe "Little Green"? Better examples of >her playing might be "Silky Veils" or "Refuge of the Roads". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:00:59 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 In a message dated 3/21/02 6:14:23 PM, Deb Messing asked: << Are there any other Joni songs specifically inspired by literature, documented in either liner notes or interviews? >> Bob mentioned several, but wasn't The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) also biblically inspired? (I can't wait to hear the version on the upcoming album!) p.s. to SCBob -- RLJ sings "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"?!! What album? Fondly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Terry, It smacks of tokenism, doesn't it? I think you should come to JoniFest this year to strike a blow for guitarists who happen to be female! :) Send a message to the young female guitarists and pianists! Lama, sending his own message out from this day forth, that he will stoop to any strategy, twist any phrase, employ any... ploy to get my favorite counselor to JoniFest! (I stole that from Jackie O's first husband.) - --- TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: >I think it's amazing that out of > 100 people, there's only > one female listed. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:55:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers Thanks for the article, Shane. I think Diana just keeps getting better all the time and I'm knocked out by her "Look of Love." I was just reading the latest Vanity Fair which has a not too flattering but interesting article on the late Peggy Lee and I was struck at the resemblance between the early Peggy and Diana. The article noted that two of Peggy's biggest fans are k.d. lang and Diana. I am very happy for her success having read of many, including Joni, praising her for being a truly nice person. An example mentioned in the Post article is her donating half her proceeds from corporate partnerships to charity. Joni's and Diana's management team are good guys, too. On the second night of the PWWAM taping, I found my assigned seating location from the night before already taken up. (We were supposed to sit in the same place both nights for filming continuity). One of the coordinators told me to quickly sit in another place nearby. During the intermission I was told that I'd taken Sam Feldman's seat and was shown him sitting bleacher-style off to the side. I was just mortified! On my way down the aisle I stopped to apologize to him and he was completely nice and good natured and insisted that I keep his seat. I was very impressed by him and his lack of the usual "Hollywood" attitude that I might have encountered with some one else in his position. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:52:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 - women guitarists I will add Janis Ian to the list. Her guitar skills have grown so she is now considered, by those who bother to listen, one of the best. Best examples: "Welcome to Acousticville" and "Take No Prisoners," one of her concert standards during the past couple of years. Janis rocks. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #81 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?