From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #80 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 21 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 080 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 20 [les@jmdl.com] Re: whoa, guitarzan! [colin ] Re: PWWAM Questions...a few (+ Mariana stuff) ["Jerome ." ] Hello Melbourne ["William Waddell" ] Re: I wonder [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Joni counts! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Logo Contest!!!!!!! And the Winner Is.............. ["Kate Bennett" <] on diana krall & joni's managers [shane ] on diana krall & joni's managers [shane ] Top 100 guitar players [dsk ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [JRMCo1@aol.com] Joni mention... (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Joni as guitarist [dsk ] Top 100 guitar players [dsk ] Re: Jaco [Michael Paz ] Re: Jaco [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Michael Paz ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Michael Paz ] (long)My performance piece for J-Fest '02: I need help/advice/criticism [BigWaltinSF@aol.co] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:05:04 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 20 On March 20 the following articles were published: 1966: "Mod City Living" - Detroit News (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660320dn.cfm 1976: "Who's frail and blonde and rocks like a bitch?" - Sounds (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/760320s.cfm 2000: "Both Sides Now" - People (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000320p.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:44:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: whoa, guitarzan! > I was railing against > corporatism and the effects of massive wealth on our daily lives, it's > influence in government, etc.As well as questioning the legal structures > that insulate the super wealthy from the rules that the rest of us are > bound to. There is an excellent book available called The Real Meaning Of Money by Dorothy Rowe(Dr). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:02:11 -0800 From: "Jerome ." Subject: Re: PWWAM Questions...a few (+ Mariana stuff) Alas, I missed the taping simply because I didn't have an internet connection for that crucial few weeks when Wally, God Bless Him, posted about attending it. SO glad to hear Mariana is doing well. I remember she always was so mature. This was back when I was the youngest male on the list, I think. But at 19/20, I was an old man compared to her! ____________________________________________________________________ Kakki wrote: Also, synchronicity - we used to have a young teenager on the jmdl, Mariana, who I think was around 14 when she joined the list. She also attended the PWWAM taping along with her Joni fan mom who was younger than some of us, ahem. Tonight I just happened to get an email from her after two years! She is a sophmore at USC film school now and is taking a class on Classic Rock where she is currently having an argument with the teacher regarding CSNY's vs. Joni's story of how Woodstock came to be written LOL. ____________________________________________________________________ Jerome NP: Sinatra + Jobim - "Change Partners" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:10:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: PWWAM Questions...a few (+ Mariana stuff) Jerome, I didn't realize that you were also one of the younger jmdlers around here and that you'd missed the taping announcement! I just wrote back to Mariana and conveyed your good wishes to her. It's so funny - her teacher was lecturing the class how Joni wrote Woodstock based on what the CSNY boys told her after returning from Woodstock. Mariana challenged him and he retorted to her that he'd read it in Crosby's book and has his quotes to back it up. I just sent her 3 articles out of a group of many telling Joni's version of the story, including the one from Vanity Fair where Joni says the boys version makes her "blood boil." hehehe. It's great to hear that Joni's rightful reputation is being upheld in the halls of academia ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:42:15 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: PWWAM Questions...a few "Bree Mcdonough" writes: >6.Jaco:Did he play the accoustic bass at all in his career? (I would love >to hear the recording if he had) (I know,nothing to do with PWWAM) No, he didn't, but the funny thing is that when Josef Zawinul, co-founder of Weather Report, first heard Jaco on tape he called him up to hire him and asked "Do you play electric bass, too?" He had a sound on electric that was significantly informed by acoustic bass sound and playing practice. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:56:39 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni and Johnny Bob SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Joni sang "Long Black Veil" with Johnny Cash on his TV show Yesterday I found this, in an interview with Johnny Cash in Life Magazine from 1994 - > LM: Country music had a spectacular breakout in the > late 1960s. Some say that the eye of the hurricane was > your house. > JC: "In 1968, '69, when I was doing my TV show, we'd > invite singers and guitar players over for dinner. Afterward, > everyone had to take the hot seat and do at least two songs. > The most memorable night was in '69. Kris Kristofferson sang > "Me and Bobby McGee," Bob Dylan sang "Lay Lady Lay," > Joni Mitchell sang "Both Sides Now," Graham Nash sang > "Marrakesh Express," and Shel Silverstein sang "A Boy > Named Sue"; all in the same night. People had never heard > those songs, and the very next week, when I played San Quentin > prison, I took "A Boy Named Sue" with me." All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:02:16 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Hello Melbourne Are there any JMDLers out there in Melbourne? I received an email this morning from a friend I knew in Indonesia who is now back in OZ; <> I have such great memories of us sitting on the beach in north Bali as the sun was going down and singing one Joni song after another after another; mainly the early 70s' songs. It's so rare to meet someone out of the BLUE who feels as passionate about Joni. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:45:16 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: I wonder 29? In a message dated Tue, 19 Mar 2002 5:43:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dave Cuneo writes: > Ciao joniphiles, > > I wonder how many listers know off the top of their heads how many > skaters are on Wollman (sp?) Rink circling in singles and in pairs? Ciao, > dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:13:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni counts! A nice way to teach kids to count to 10! ;~) Number ONE TWO Grey Rooms THREE Great Stimulants Pushing through a FOUR Lane Highway Last night the ghosts of my old ideas Reran on channel FIVE When I spotted SIX jet planes Leaving SIX white vapor trails across the bleak terrain I'd just turned twenty-SEVEN As we center behind the EIGHT ball Twenty-NINE skaters on Wollman Rink Then the child moved TEN times round the seasons Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Night Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:09:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Logo Contest!!!!!!! And the Winner Is.............. Fabulous logo (all of them really- what incredible talent some people have) & Hell, your speech was so pro! Looking forward to seeing how the tatoo thing develps... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:11:20 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: shane Subject: on diana krall & joni's managers joni's managers, sam feldman and associates, are vividly described in their managing of diana krall, with a few references to their clients the chieftains and joni mitchell, in the following excellent article in canada's national post: http://www.nationalpostbusiness.com/home asp?include9§ion9&articleid24 cheers from shane (cd album completed) *************************** you sang for me like the seagulls in their homeless liberty just floating on the dayspring in their sighing daydreams... - -from 'sandefjord' www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:26:39 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: shane Subject: on diana krall & joni's managers difficulty with a direct url to the above mentioned article necessitates typing the below url in your address bar... arriving at national post business, the article is first mentioned in the headlines... the needed url is: http://www.nationalpostbusiness.com/ cheers, shane *************************** you sang for me like the seagulls in their homeless liberty just floating on the dayspring in their sighing daydreams... - -from 'sandefjord' www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:15:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Top 100 guitar players Have y'all seen this yet? It's the "top 100 guitar players of all time". Joni's #74 and is the only woman on the list. Not sure I agree with Blue being a classic moment since the dulcimer is the most prominent string instrument. And I don't remember many percussive guitar sounds on LOTC. What do the guitarists here think? http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12 Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:47:28 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Tuck Andress didn't even merit honorable mention? That precludes this list from validity as far as I'm concerned. Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson represent. Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for blueser Deborah Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. Many people are of the opinion that classical guitarist Sharon Isbin is the finest guitarist in the world, bar none. Charo is a world-class flamenco stylist...don't let the coochie coochie fool you. Then, arguably, there's DiFranco, Raitt, Colvin... And where's Muriel Andersen, the excellent fingerpicker who Kakki, Paz, Alison, Donna and I had the good fortune of seeing in Anaheim during NAMM? She's considered one of the planet's best in that genre. And obviously, Joni should be much higher on the list, IMO. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:06:44 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Joni mention... (sjc) Hi, Smurph and all, Was at the closest Micky D's (the same one where I heard Hissing [the song, not the whole album] played on their DMX or whatever service they used), munching on a Big Mac when simultaneously, Shawn Colvin's "Sunny Came Home" came on, and in April's Premiere Magazine, in which I was reading Paul Rudnick's (writer of "Jeffrey" and "In And Out") column "If You Ask Me" (his nom de plume is Libby Gelman-Waxner, and s/he is the funniest movie reviewer in the world), and in this month's column, entitled "Barefoot in the Shrine", a review of Lord of the Rings, she says: "...Frodo has to head out on an epic quest to save the world by tossing the ring back into a fiery volcano, but his progress is hindered by an evil wizard named Saruman, who has long, stick-straight white hair that he keeps flicking off his face; Saruman looks exactly like Cher would if she'd been allowed to age naturally. Frodo sets out with several fellow hobbits and joins forces with a couple of hunky human warriors and an elf, whose race sports platinum-blond manes yanked straight back; I kept waiting for the elves to reveal their Joni Mitchell shrine or to introduce their leader, Marcia Brady." Of course, Joni has *never* (to my memory) gone actually platinum, rather leaning towards warmer blond hues, but nonetheless -- how many writers can manage a jab at Cher, and a mention of the Joanster and a fictional blond, all in one paragraph? In the next one, Libby manages *another* jab at Stevie Nicks (this time in the fashion department), and wonders, given that virtually all the emotion in the movie is expressed between males ("My captain, my king," indeed!), whether in the next installment there may be scenes of "towel snapping under a waterfall or a sweaty, shirtless volleyball match with a team from Keebler." I had to leave McD's before I started laughing too much. But it *is* a Joni mention, even if Libby gets JM's hair color wrong. (In case you don't feel like running out and getting Premiere magazine, Libby also wonders why someone, say Gandalf, doesn't suggest to the hobbits that they'd make better time with shoes on, and she describes the movie sets as looking like a Wagnerian opera set in a snow globe.) So, belated Happy St. Patrick's Day, you 87.5% of a mick, you! hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:00:51 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Joni as guitarist Nice to see Joni getting some attention for the influence of her guitar playing. This blurb is from the Feb 19, 2002, NYTimes review of Cassandra Wilson's show at the Blue Note jazz club: The show came entirely from Ms. Wilson's forthcoming album on Blue Note records, "Belly of the Sun," to be released next month. The album continues to follow the form set by "Blue Light Till Dawn," the album that expanded her audience nearly a decade ago. "Blue Light" combined various tasteful elements in a precious but ingenious collection. Here the formula was little altered: slide guitar from the blues (played by Kevin Breit); acoustic fingerpicking harking back to Joni Mitchell's early progressive-harmony period (Marvin Sewell, who is the band's musical director); the swinging bass lines of jazz (Mark Peterson); the military bass drum and trianglelike pings of samba percussion (Cyro Baptista); the conga of Cuban music (Jeffrey Haynes). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:15:25 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Top 100 guitar players Now that I'm looking at this info a little closer... it's odd that the list compilers have named the piano song "Blue" (not the whole album Blue as I'd first thought) as Joni's classic guitar moment. So the guys are a little confused. Still, I'm glad she's on this list at all... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:03:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jaco Not to mention Pat Metheny's guitar solo between Amelia and Hejira that in my opinion is the greatest guitar solo of all time. The expressiveness of this solo is just stunning. I have a couple of other recordings from that tour and that night it was positively brilliant. Best Paz on 3/19/02 8:11 PM, RobSher50@aol.com at RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > Fred, > > A few years ago, a new found friend and fellow musician said to me, "If you > are serious about pursuing music, you must buy Joni Mitchell's, "Shadows and > Light," and you must listen to the song, "Black Crow." Though I had been a > Joni Mitchell fan from my college and her "Court and Spark" days, I had lost > touch with Joni's music. The first time I heard Jaco play his bass solo at > the end of the song, I remember jumping up and down screaming because of the > awesome creativity and talent of this "guy" I'd never heard of! (Not taking > anything away from Michael Brecker's awesome sax solo on the song either!) My > friend was a bassist whom I respected immensely. When I told him my ultimate > joy of finding Joni again and discovering Jaco Pastorius, words could not > describe the look of pure satisfaction on his face for having someone really > "get" Jaco's musical style. Truer words by Pat Metheny were never spoken > concerning Jaco Pastorius. I am a fan for life! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:07:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Jaco In a message dated 3/20/02 10:56:25 PM, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: >Not to mention Pat Metheny's guitar solo between Amelia and Hejira that >in my opinion is the greatest guitar solo of all time. The expressiveness >of this solo is just stunning. I have a couple of other recordings from that >tour and that night it was positively brilliant. I can't begin to find strong enough words to recommend the recent Pat Metheny Group album, "Speaking Of Now." Bottom line, if you like good music, you need this record. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:21:57 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Debra Thanks for posting this. What an interesting list. The fact that "The Edge" scored so high for one chord and one progression is a mind fucker to behold. I think that Joni's earlier work is essential and probably some of her more complex stuff, even though I am a FTR/Hejira man personally. It has to be really hard to come with this lists cause you are always gonna piss somebody off or just supply fuel for the fire for months to come. My boys Steve Howe and Eric Johnson almost didn't make the top 100. Crazy! Oh well to each his own. I may try and tackle this topic sometime when I run out of stuff to do. Best Paz on 3/20/02 12:15 PM, dsk at dsk11@bellatlantic.net wrote: > Have y'all seen this yet? > > It's the "top 100 guitar players of all time". Joni's #74 and is the > only woman on the list. Not sure I agree with Blue being a classic > moment since the dulcimer is the most prominent string instrument. And I > don't remember many percussive guitar sounds on LOTC. What do the > guitarists here think? > > http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12 > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:30:31 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players You made some damn good points here tonight FUCKO! Love Paz on 3/20/02 5:47 PM, JRMCo1@aol.com at JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Tuck Andress didn't even merit honorable mention? That precludes this list > from validity as far as I'm concerned. > > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson represent. > Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for blueser Deborah > Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. > > Many people are of the opinion that classical guitarist Sharon Isbin is the > finest guitarist in the world, bar none. > > Charo is a world-class flamenco stylist...don't let the coochie coochie fool > you. > > Then, arguably, there's DiFranco, Raitt, Colvin... > > And where's Muriel Andersen, the excellent fingerpicker who Kakki, Paz, > Alison, Donna and I had the good fortune of seeing in Anaheim during NAMM? > She's considered one of the planet's best in that genre. > > And obviously, Joni should be much higher on the list, IMO. >Ran across this in the January 28, 2002 "Sports Illustrated" mag: >"To evoke the "Light the Fire Within" motto of these Games, the cauldron at >Rice Eccles Stadium is glass, literally revealing the fire within. But >burning gas in glass is fraught with technical challenges... The structure >includes a continually flowing sheet of water to cool the glass, keep it >from cracking and wash away soot. A computer system monitors the >temperature and pumps the water." >I'm awaiting confirmation from the Guiness Book of World Records >authorities, but it appears that what we have here is the world's largest >bidet! Congratulations, Al. :-p > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:33:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jaco Dammit Fred thanks for reminding me I think it was you who posted about this record before. I am going to tower tomorrow and I will give this to myself for my birthday. Yippie a new Pat. I also need to give Marc Egan a call, I have been a little lax lately. Best Paz on 3/20/02 9:07 PM, FredNow@aol.com at FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > I can't begin to find strong enough words to recommend the recent Pat Metheny > Group album, "Speaking Of Now." > > Bottom line, if you like good music, you need this record. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:48:26 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (long)My performance piece for J-Fest '02: I need help/advice/criticism Hi, all, There's definitely Joni content to this -- I've been working for 3 months on a "pastiche" of three Joni songs; I've finally got the music more or less down -- all three songs (Sunny Sunday, Harry's House, I Don't Know Where I Stand) are now in the same key, and I've got bridges worked out, pretty much. My suspicion that SS and IDKWIS are sort of harmonically similar have been confirmed, to my satisfaction. But I need help. I am NOT a poet, and I had to do some fiddling with -- okay, replacement of -- the lyrics of HH, which I use as a bridge between the two other songs. So in the "B" sections below, help, if you can -- the sense I'm trying to convey is obvious, but I'm insecure as to how it sounds, how it flows poetically. Second piece of advice: Should I end the pastiche at the first "fade out", as per my original plan, or should I extend it, as shown below -- something that I've been fiddling with just recently? Does the extension overdrive the theme of indecision leading to being trapped, or is the repetition of the theme justified? I really would appreciate any comments, advice, help, or criticism. Thanks to all in advance for your patience. Pasticcio: Indecision and Regret (A = Sunny Sunday, B = [tune of] Harry's House, C = I Don't Know Where I Stand) A. She pulls the shade It's just another Sunny Sunday She dodges the light like Blanche Dubois Bright colors fade away On such a Sunny Sunday She waits for the night to fall... [bridge] B. She drifts back to the memory Of her naiveti in youth When the choices seemed so endless Had she only known the truth! [intro. to IDKWIS] C. Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it there Sunny day Braiding wild flowers And leaves in my hair Picked up a pencil and wrote "I love you" In my finest hand I wanted to send it, But I don't know where I stand. [scat] Telephone-- Even the sound of your voice is still new All alone, in California And talking to you And feeling too foolish and strange to say The words that I had planned I guess it's too early, 'Cause I don't know where I stand [bridge] B. In time, her options dwindled Choices made in haste Or lost through indecision She shudders at the waste [bridge] A. Then she points a pistol Through the door And she aims at the streetlight While the freeway hisses Dogs bark as the gun falls to the floor The streetlight's still burning She always misses... [quick fade to...] C. I know that I miss you But I don't know where I stand [quick fade back to...] A. She always misses But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave That one little victory That's all she needs She pulls the shade It's just another sunny Monday She waits for the night to fall... (fade out... OR) [Okay, that was the end of the pastiche, until recently, when I started fiddling with a possible extension, shown here] [bridge back to IDKWIS] C. I wanted to send it, But I guess it's too early, See, I know that I miss you, But I don't know where I stand [IDKWIS scat blending into Sunny Sunday theme, which it does quite nicely, btw] A. She pulls the shade It's just another sunny Tuesday She waits for the night to fall... (fade out) Thanks, everybody! hugs and stuff, Walt ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #80 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?