From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #78 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 078 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 18 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 18 [les@jmdl.com] Painting With Words and Music ["Kate Bennett" ] Probably already covered - Hejira HDCD [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Julius Raymond ] Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Painting With Words and Music [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: joni mentions [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Painting With Words and Music ["Kakki" ] Re: joni mentions [WARREN901@aol.com] Joni, Inc. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni, Inc. [Randy Remote ] Re: fleischer [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Mike Friedman ] Re: six degrees of Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni on CBC [Rick and Susan ] Quoting Joni on Jaco in JazzTimes [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Michael Paz ] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Julius Raymond ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Mike Friedman Subject: Painting With Words and Music >>>I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during "Comes Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:12:56 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Probably already covered - Hejira HDCD When I was over in NYC last month, I bought Hejira and HOSL on HDCD Cd....$9 each...couldn't pass 'em. ...not really being 'up' on such matters, there was an element of 'completism' about the purchase. These Discs are not easily or cheaply found here in London....that I have seen. However, listening to H over headphones last weekend, I was stunned by the amount of music I hadn't heard before from the recordings. For the first time of listening, the recordings seemed to have depth and separation. I could hear all the layers of Pastorius' playing. Maybe I've just not been paying attention before, but is there a consensus on the merits of these recent (?) re-issues? Oh and the artwork was very much better. I'd never seen the picture of Joni looming out of the darkness before. Les (London) NPIMH....Whatever, Whatever (or whatever) by Shakira because I just read about it in a 'digest' and now it's hard-coded in my head for the day and it just isn't fair! Wah! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:13:25 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music O'Paz again! Ooooooh! He's always after me Lucky Charms! I remember now, he danced with her cheek to cheek in the city of New Orleans a few years back. I'll add this one to the list of secrets I have to drag out of him! (Was that a blarney stone in your pocket, Mike, or were you just glad to see her?) - -Julius > >>>I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > "Comes > Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:02:48 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine I apologize if anyone else has posted this info. I'm way behind in my JMDL!! I was excited to see Jaco on the cover of April's JazzTimes. Found a copy at Tower Records. You can see the cover here and some of the story: http://www.jazztimes.com/ Joni is quoted on page 46.............in a blue box. It's a quarter of a page long! She's also mentioned thru-out the article and Hejira is spoken of alot. I don't have time to type it all now..........but hopefully later I can. Freebie of the day: Win a CD (I actually won one a few days ago) www.strudelpalooza.com Some codes you can use: 28506025 16059332 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:42:22 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine I will read this with interest; if HEJIRA is spoken of but not DJRD, I will be curious about that, for sure. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:19:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music In a message dated 3/18/2002 2:35:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: > True to form for my experience with Joni's work, I like PWWAM more and more > as time goes by Julius, that's exactly how I feel with most of Joni's work. It's been quite a long time since I've viewed PWWAM, so I plan on watching it in the next few days. I know this question has been asked before, but I'm gonna ask again before I view PWWAM. Besides Wally B., J.J., Kakki, Pearl, Leslie, Phyllis & Mr. Dulson (and a few people no longer on the list), were there any other JMDLers in attendance during the taping? Also, which listers can be seen in the video? (I do remember seeing Wally and Pearl) Thanks, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:58:39 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mentions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:58:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music Jimmy, Also in attendance were Steve Mixon, Catherine Turley, Les Irvin, and a few others who are no longer here. After the watching the video numerous times, I was able to spot at least fleeting glimpses of every JMDL'er who attended. There were around 16 of us who were there over both nights of the taping. Kakki > I know this question has been asked before, but I'm gonna ask again before I > view PWWAM. Besides Wally B., J.J., Kakki, Pearl, Leslie, Phyllis & Mr. > Dulson (and a few people no longer on the list), were there any other JMDLers > in attendance during the taping? Also, which listers can be seen in the > video? (I do remember seeing Wally and Pearl) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:21:52 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mentions let me try that again...hello all ! seems like the joni mentions these days are becoming more and more frequent. i was watching " once and again " the other night and was quite pleased when the subject of joni came up. a teacher, played by eric stholz, announces that he will be the advisor of the gay/straight alliance. two of his high school pupils are speculating as to whether he is gay. one says she doesn't think so and the other replies " oh come on, he's single and listens to joni mithchell, of course he's gay ! " ( i've just been reduced to a stereotype !!! ) that's not an exact quote but it is the gist of what was said. i got a good chuckle anyway...later single, gay and listening to joni, warren keith p.s. did anyone see the VH1 special " the corrs: live in dublin ?" i was truely mesmerized!!! their harmonies were heavenly, i guess it's true what they say about voices from one family. i stopped and bought the CD on my way home for lunch today. speaking of things irish, anyone else have corned beef and cabbage yesterday ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:35:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni, Inc. <> I think the correct answer probably lies in between the two. Obviously Joni wasn't drawn into the music business solely as an entrepreneur, her muse and talent gave her most of the boost, BUT it's awfully naive to think that she hasn't been very business savvy from the start. Even in her earliest interviews and coffee-house shows, she's talking about making those royalty pennies, and her control of her publishing has been well-advertised. I also think its why her 80's work attempted to be more commercial and recapture the audience she lost with Mingus. After all, she supported WTRF with the biggest world tour she ever did. Plus, I don't think Joni would be so angry with the music business unless she had a strong interest in the commercial viability of her work; she'd just release it & forget it (as some of her peers do). She's much more bitter about the commercial response (or lack thereof). I don't mean this as a criticism of Joni or of her 80's work or anything...just an observation which appears to be suppoerted by her behavior. Bob NP: Elton John, "Rocket Man" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:26:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, Inc. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I think the correct answer probably lies in between the two. Obviously Joni wasn't drawn into the music business solely as an entrepreneur, her muse and talent gave her most of the boost, BUT it's awfully naive to think that she hasn't been very business savvy from the start. Even in her earliest interviews and coffee-house shows, she's talking about making those royalty pennies, and her control of her publishing has been well-advertised. When you are dealing with an inherently dishonest business, you had better learn how to count those pennies. But if someone is trying to make the connection between Joni as a savvy business woman, and the abusive power of the corporate culture, well it's quite a stretch. After all, this is the very structure she has had to fight against. I think it's clear from her work how Joni feels about the corporate machinery of today. Is Justice just ice? Governed by greed and lust? Just the strong doing what they can And the weak suffering what they must? ...And Indian chiefs with their old beliefs know The balance is undone.... The madman hangs in fancy homes They wouldn't let him near! He'd piss in their fireplace! Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation red Tragedy Now you tell me Who're you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Last night I dreamed I saw the planet flicker Great forests fell like buffalo Everything go sicker and to the bitter end Big business bickered Dog eat dog, you can lie, cheat, skim, scam ....you could get to be a big wig financier "Short sighted business man, nothing lasts for long" RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:10:00 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: fleischer hi wally ! who is that woman on page 67, joni's mom, perhaps her grandmother ? i never thought that photo did joni justice but it is more than made up for by the cover shot !!! ( i never realized what nice legs she had till i got that little book. ) thanks for the reply... warren keith p.s. actually keith is my middle name not my last. i have always been called by both my first and middle names as if they were one. ( lordy miss scarlett, i do beleive its a southern thing, like billy bob or rita mae...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:40:28 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters I've got this on TIVO and can write it to a DVD if anyone would ilke it in that format (can do PAL or NTSC). The cost of a blank DVD-R disk is about $5. On Thursday, March 14, 2002, at 06:30 PM, Rick and Susan wrote: > on 3/13/02 6:30 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> Hey thanks Simon for all that info regarding the films. Who is on the >> case as >> far as taping it for sharing? Ranger Rick? > > I will be taping it, of course, but my VCR is not high-end. It's > actually > very low-end. Still, if a better copy is not available I'll be glad to > offer > mine up for a video tree. > Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:04:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: six degrees of Joni SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Anybody want to "six degrees" from Britney to Joni? > I'll do it in five. Britney's boyfriend is Jason Timberlake of n'sync, who portrays a young Elton John on Elton's new video. Elton wrote and recorded with John Lennon, who told Joni "Put some fiddles on your records if you want them to be hits" or something similar. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:22:18 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: six degrees of Joni I'll do it in 4: britney's boyfriend is justin timberlake who is in elton's new video. elton played Free Man in Paris at the Joni tribute concert two years ago this april. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:30:08 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Joni on CBC For Canadian Listers: The Joni bio on the CBC program The Life And Times will also air on Newsworld on April 6th (Pt. 1) and 13th (Pt. 2), at 6 a.m. and 3 p.m. ET. That allows the opportunity to tape it three times! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:42:16 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Quoting Joni on Jaco in JazzTimes Quoting Joni on Jaco Pastorius on page 46 of JazzTimes (April 2002) "The way my musical ear developed was kind of odd. I was attracted first to the high end of music and last the bottom. But by the time I got to the bottom end of music I began to have very strong opinions about what the bass should do and they were in conflict with what the bass was doing. I didn't understand why the high end could have so much freedom and the low end was so locked in. And I would make suggestions to bass players - couldn't they, you know, leave some holes, more like classical music, and go sailing up into the high end and be more expressive. And I would sing the parts to the bass players and ask them to play it and they would refuse. At that particular time there weren't a lot of women in music instructing players, and sometimes bass players would, frankly, get annoyed. I forget who it was now but I was working with a bass player and giving him some instruction and he finally said to me, "Look, Joni, there's this weird bass player in Florida who plays with Phyllis Diller and Bob Hope. You'd probably like him." In other words, he thought what I was telling him was crazy and he thought Jaco's playing was crazy. It's not that he was admiring it but that it was weird. I was weird and Jaco was weird and we would probably get along just fine [laughs]. I didn't want to go back to playing alone: I took a long shot; I sent for Jaco. The bass players that I worked with before just kind of played through it like four beats to the bar, you know, polka-dotting along. And they couldn't see the shapes of the music or where the pressure points were. They couldn't grasp it. So you had to wait for somebody like Jaco to come along who had one foot in rock 'n' roll and one foot in jazz. And when Jaco came in on the dates, he was doing what I wanted, which was a more classical counterpoint to my melodies - and leaving space - and then going into a figure and then leaving another hole and then slurping along and sliding along. He had some interrelationship to the music. There was humor in the right places - so there was a personality there. It was no longer a team player, a good supportive player; it was personality that deserved to be in the foreground. We were conceptually kindred. And to my amazement, not only was he doing some of things I was asking people to do but he was playing Stravinsky figures in the upper middle register and fitting them in all the right places. And his choice of notes and his approach was very similar to what I was trying to get at. So it was as if I dreamed him because I didn't have to give him any instruction. I could just kind of cut him loose and stand back and celebrate his choices." ******************************************************************************* Joni Mentions................ Page 15 inside Jaco Pastorius By Bill Milkowski Jaco was the world's greatest bass player - according to Jaco - before the world even heard one note. But when did his amazing skills first become apparent to those around him, before the world got a piece of him? A new collection, Portrait of Jaco: The Early Years, sheds light on the first moments of Pastorius' evolution from R&B nobody to the world's greatest bassist. Joni Mitchell, Pat Metheny, Ira Sullivan and others testify to his enduring greatness. ************************************************************************ Pg 43... Today, more than 14 years after his tragic death on 9/21/87, at the hands of a bouncer outside a Florida nightclub, we still marvel at what Jaco accomplished in his relatively short span as a creative force on the planet. Not only did he revolutionize the role of his chosen instrument, the fretless electric bass guitar, but he helped change the course of music itself through his innovations. and the proof is right there on the recordings - his stunning 1976 solo debut, Jaco Pastorius, and ambitious follow-up projects, Word of Mouth and Invitation: his brilliant collaborations with Joni Mitchell (notably 1976's masterpiece, Hejira); and a string of six groundbreaking albums with Weather Report (from 1976's Black Market to the landmark Heavy Weather and Grammy-Winning 8:30 to his swan song with the group, 1982's self titled Weather Report). Pg 50... And part of the reason that Portrait of Jaco: The Early Years has taken this long to come to fruition is that Bobbing, the ultimate Jaco fan, needed that much time to do it right. Not only has he drawn from his own personal collection of tapes documenting those R&B bands Pastorious gigged with, but he's gone the extra mile to acquire additional music documenting Jaco's sideman stints with Ira Sullivan, the Peter Graves Orchestra, Pat Metheny, Florida soul man Little Beaver, Weather Report and Joni Mitchell.................. In telling the tale of Jaco Pastorius, Bobbing draws the listener in through word and music, one serving to illustrate or underscore the other. In the end, after hearing several musical discoveries along the way and bearing witness to the eloquent testimony of Wayne Cochran, Joni Mitchell, Joe Zawinul, Pat Metheny and Jaco's die-hard jazzbo father, Jack, we come away with the most complete picture ever assembled of the mythic bass player's rise to glory. Pg 48 Quote from Pat Metheny... .....If you just took Hejira and Heavy Weather and Bright Size Life and his first couple of records - just that little body of work right there sort of significantly changed the course of music in the last quarter of the 20th century, certainly in terms of the role of the bass, bass playing in general and without question the electric bass itself. Looks like a good read! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:09:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music Sorry I don't kiss and tell! Especially to my boooooy Julius, cause then EVERYBODY will know my secret. Right Fucko??? Love Paz on 3/18/02 12:58 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: >>>> I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > "Comes > Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:11:04 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music See see ?? See what I told ya??? I NEVER said cheek to cheek either. Where does he get this stuff? O'Paz on 3/18/02 1:13 AM, Julius Raymond at jrmills@pacbell.net wrote: > O'Paz again! Ooooooh! He's always after me Lucky Charms! > > I remember now, he danced with her cheek to cheek in the city of New Orleans > a few years back. I'll add this one to the list of secrets I have to drag > out of him! (Was that a blarney stone in your pocket, Mike, or were you > just glad to see her?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:03:46 -0500 From: "Sherman" Subject: Sunday Beltway Minifest Erin Go Braugh! It was great to get to hear some fabulous music last night and visit with some listers. The soggy weather did not dispel the St. Paddy's Day spirits. No kissin' of the Blarney Stone, but lots of jmdl hugs. Greg's encore gave us all a chance to sing along! (with substitution of Jockey's for stockings) Much Joni, Janine Listers from Massachusetts, DC, PA, MD, NJ, NH, Canada, and Holland. Hope I didn't leave anyone out. I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Traveling, traveling, traveling Looking for something, what can it be Oh I hate you some, I hate you some, I love you some Oh I love you when I forget about me I want to be strong I want to laugh along I want to belong to the living Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dive Do you want - do you want - do you want to dance with me baby Do you want to take a chance On maybe finding some sweet romance with me baby Well, come on All I really really want our love to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too All I really really want our love to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you I want to talk to you, I want to shampoo you I want to renew you again and again Applause, applause - Life is our cause When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws Do you see - do you see - do you see how you hurt me baby So I hurt you too Then we both get so blue. I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Looking for the key to set me free Oh the jealousy, the greed is the unraveling It's the unraveling And it undoes all the joy that could be I want to have fun, I want to shine like the sun I want to be the one that you want to see I want to knit you a sweater Want to write you a love letter I want to make you feel better I want to make you feel free ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:32:59 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music That's Mister O'Fuck to you home slice. ;-) - -Julius > Sorry I don't kiss and tell! Especially to my boooooy Julius, cause then > EVERYBODY will know my secret. Right Fucko??? > > Love > > Paz > > on 3/18/02 12:58 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > > >>>> I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > > "Comes Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:57:17 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters Now not to be unclear, but what I have is the Painting with Words and Music video which I can make into a DVD for anyone who wishes. Do you suppose that's OK? I'm sure Joni is selling these....I'd feel kind of bad if I was taking away sales......is it not available on PAL at all? If that's the case, then I don't feel bad. :-) On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 09:23 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > OH MY GAWD! Please sign me up for this. Thanks so much for doing this > Mike. > How generous of you to do this with your time. Please let me know where > to > send the check for the blank and postage. Will both shows fir on one > DVD?? > Thanks again > > Paz > > P.S. I attached my trade list in case you want anything I have in lieu > of $. > > Peace > > on 3/18/02 3:40 PM, Mike Friedman at mike@pinataperspective.com wrote: > >> I've got this on TIVO and can write it to a DVD if anyone would ilke it >> in that format (can do PAL or NTSC). The cost of a blank DVD-R disk is >> about $5. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #78 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?