From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #66 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 066 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 6 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 6 [les@jmdl.com] Black Diamond (Bay) Earrings ["William Waddell" ] Joni does Dylan [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] smj - Motherload...Unless You're Picky [Julian Parker-Burns ] Re: Joni does Dylan [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Joni does Dylan [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Todaiji To Die For ["William Waddell" ] Graham party in RS ["Kakki" ] Re: Todaiji To Die For [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Todaiji To Die For [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Graham party in RS ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC [Gil Lamont ] Cool Water ["marianne marianne" ] Re Thanks from a lurker ["Paul Headon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:04:37 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 6 On March 6 the following articles were published: 1976: "1976 Nassau Concert Review" - Record World (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/760306rw.cfm 1997: "Melancholy Meets the Infinite Sadness" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970306rs.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:04:37 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 6 On March 6 in Joni Mitchell History: 1983: Joni performs today and tomorrow at Budokan in Tokyo. These shows were recorded for FM broadcast in Japan. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 05:45:31 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Black Diamond (Bay) Earrings Gil wrote; I'm going through a Dylan spell so thanks for mentioning CLB. I must look it out as I remember hearing it for the first time and freaking out at how good it was. Only later did I realise it was an echo of MMITM which is my favourite album track of all time. Is there any Joni singing Bob on bootleg any time any place any where? A wonderful world we can share? The only one I can think of that half crosses over is Corrina Corrina. Has Joni ever said why she chose to record her version on CMIARS? Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 06:48:35 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Black Diamond (Bay) Earrings Joni's version of Mr. Tambourine Man is floating around somewhere. Is there any Joni singing Bob on bootleg any time any place any where? A wonderful world we can share? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:18:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni does Dylan <> Deb mentioned "Mr. Tambourine Man", the source I have indicates that it's from a 1970 "Folklore" TV broadcast with Pete Seeger. The same broadcast where Pete & Joni do a duet of BSN & Pete adds his 'daughter, daughter' verse. The same source provided the alternate 'Case of You' that Walt mentioned. If Joni and/or Reprise had done their job and issued a proper boxset of rarities, all of these would be easily accessible and well-known to Joniphiles. Speaking of Joni doing Dylan, Willie, she also does the version of "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" (on piano) on the 1991 radio show 'Swingin On A Star'. Very interesting as she begins with the chord progression to "Not To Blame", then morphs into the Dylan song. Honorable mention: Joni, Van & Bob himself combine forces to sing "I Shall Be Released" during their 1998 tour. And I think Joni also contributed backup vocals to the same song for 'The Last Waltz'. Bob NP: Hothouse Flowers, "Seoladh na nGamhna" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Parker-Burns Subject: smj - Motherload...Unless You're Picky In response to my offer Mark said: < Subject: Re: Motherload O' Joni - (Real Good For Free) You guys should know that MP3 is a lossy compression scheme - i.e, the encoding process removes certain frequencies to reduce the file size. That's why they are so small. The quality will be noticebly poorer than the uncompressed soundfile. You should also not trade these discs with people because of these reasons.>> Let me first say: Please forgive me ahead of schedule for a non-Joni rant... The compression problem is only a problem if you are an audiophile. I have made these at 160kb for the reason that most folks can hear a subtle difference at 128kb and not at 160kbs. Let's not forget that most of these recordings were done to analog tape, kept in an attic for years, transfered to vinyl and back to tape before someone then transfered them to CD...my God!...think of what else we are missing in this process. I'm sorry if I've offended the purists in the crowd...but I was ending my last lifetime when Joni was playing some of my favorite shows and was too young or too far away to attend all of the other shows that are on these compilations. For me it's about history, hitting a groove and being let in on a perfect secret. Perhaps you were there and notice the difference in sound quality. Whatever... For all of you who have requested copies of these great recordings you're are in for a real treat despite the loss of certain frequencies. - -Julian PS - For Joni content's sake...There is a direct connection between Chelsea Morning and Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention besides "Billy the Mountain"...burried in these MP3s is the answer to this and many other musical mysteries. BTW, j-pegs don't lose frequencies do they? ===== Julian's Art Gallery can be seen at: http://community.webshots.com/user/julianparkerburns Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:38:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Bring on those guesses!! Hi all, Just a quick reminder that I'm still looking for guesses for a FREE copy of Covers #27...now if you've won in the past, feel free to guess again! If you don't want it, and think basically that I'm full of sh*t in the first place, then try to win it and then have it sent to a JMDL pal who might like it! And I'd LOVE to hear more from 'round the world...so far only 1 guess from Oz, 1 from Italy, none from Russia. SO let's hear it! Name a song & the album it's on, example: I Had A King - Song To A Seagull (hint - the above is NOT the one I have in mind):~) I'll keep my mailbox open until midnight Friday, at which time I'll have a badly coked-up Pamela Anderson announce the winner. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "My Back Pages" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:13:28 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni does Dylan > Honorable mention: Joni, Van & Bob himself combine forces to sing "I Shall Be Released" during their 1998 tour. And I think Joni also contributed backup vocals to the same song for 'The Last Waltz'. > I believe it was only one night at the Gorge that Joni & Van surprised Bob by joining him for 'I Shall Be Released' and Joni muffed the words on the verse she took. Ah yes, I remember it well... Maurice C in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:23:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni does Dylan <> But only because she was temporarily immobilized by Bobby's buzzard breath! :~) Bob NP: Garbage, "Cherry Lips (Go Baby Go!)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:18:54 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC Lama wrote: >Oh, sure. By all means, Mister Dylan is a word-meister of the first order. >And in my view he kicked the doors down for everyone else to write about >more varied topics. > >(Can anyone imagine hearing Shawn Colvin's song about arson on the radio >without someone breaking down the barriers first?) > >As a pioneer, he enriched my musical life and the lives of scores of my >heroes enormously. Yes, by all means let's celebrate Bobby along with all >the other fine songwriters. > >But if we're gonna judge him on his chops as a musician alone? Or as a >singer, alone? Or rate him according to the daring with which he selected >accompanists? > > > >I love him, but................ > > > > >........ he's no Joni Mitchell. Hey, and Joni is no Bob Dylan! But I'd like to challenge on all three points. (Put 'em up, put 'em up!) As a musician, he is a harp player extraordinaire. As a singer, how about "I Believe in You" or anything on "Time Out of Mind" or "Love and Theft"? Or is a good voice a prerequisite for being a good singer? (That's let out a lot of performers.) As for choosing the people he performs/records with ... Well! Sure, you can find examples of the worst of Bob. But the best of Bob is unbeatable. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:32:01 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni does Dylan At 8:18 AM -0500 3/6/02, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >Speaking of Joni doing Dylan, Willie, she also does the version of >"It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" (on piano) on the 1991 radio show >'Swingin On A Star'. Very interesting as she begins with the chord >progression to "Not To Blame", then morphs into the Dylan song. > >Honorable mention: Joni, Van & Bob himself combine forces to sing "I >Shall Be Released" during their 1998 tour. And I think Joni also >contributed backup vocals to the same song for 'The Last Waltz'. And also, at the Todajiji Temple in Japan in 1994 or so, along with a bunch of other performers. That was a struggle to watch! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:20:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: RE: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC Well, yeah. Even though I made my points, I also agree with yours! :) Furthermore, I should take back what I said about his collaborators. I mean, for starters, Mister Dylan worked with The Band, Daniel Lanois, Johnny Cash, George Harrison, and Emmylou Harris. The fact that he didn't have the jazz influence that Joni does should not count against him. I am adjusting my ledger today to show that Bob's collaborators are the equal of Joni's. It wouldn't be prudent to rail against Mister Dylan on the other counts as I think he's head-and-shoulders above almost everyone else who uses the English language. Almost. Except for one. As a lyricist, he's in a class of two, according to Lama's big, leather-bound book of Songwriters. Ironically, I also agree with Marian Russell who feels that comparisons are pointless. The beauty of music fans, (unlike sports fans) is that we can root for a great mulititude of talented people. Are you feeling the spirit? npimh: Aretha's "Spirit In The Dark" All the best, Lama > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil Lamont wrote: > Hey, and Joni is no Bob Dylan! > > But I'd like to challenge on all three points. (Put 'em up, put > 'em up!) As > a musician, he is a harp player extraordinaire. As a singer, how about "I > Believe in You" or anything on "Time Out of Mind" or "Love and Theft"? Or > is a good voice a prerequisite for being a good singer? (That's let out a > lot of performers.) As for choosing the people he > performs/records with ... > Well! > > Sure, you can find examples of the worst of Bob. But the best of Bob is > unbeatable. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:47:57 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Todaiji To Die For Mark wrote; How come Mark? Were you there or/and is it available on video? I missed the show by a week or so - I lived in Japan for five years and left in 1994. The temples in Japan can be awesomely beautiful, inspiring, uplifting, aesthetically perfect, calming in a Zen way, and other adjectives verging on superlative. I was so miffed that I had missed what could have been the concert of a lifetime, and more than likely my only chance ever to see Joni live, and with Dylan to boot. This might sound odd but I never go to concerts for the music - man, I can listen to the music at home; more the atmosphere or the event I suppose. Unless you're prepared to fork out a small fortune and get the best seats in the house, I'd rather give it a miss. However, I'm intrigued what you have to say about the "struggle to watch". I assume you mean Dylan and not Joni! Best regards. WtS _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:18:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Graham party in RS This was posted on the CSN list today. From the current Rolling Stone, pg. 10: PRETTY IN PINK Graham Nash's psychedelic Birthday "Your photo's don't include a Pink Bunny suit, do they?" asks Graham Nash, who recently celebrated his 60th birthday party by renting out Californias Madonna Inn. Nash's wife, Susan, hosted by instructing guests such as PETER FONDA, ERIC IDLE, BETTE MIDLER & JONI MITCHELL, to wear Pink. But no one was prepared to for David Crosby's "hallucinatory" Bunny outfit. " It came walking out of the mist down the parking lot," Nash remembers. "I wasn't quite sure who it was at first. But I rubbed my eyesand just thought, 'You know, he gets the largest testicles of the year award!'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:50:05 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Todaiji To Die For Yeah, it was broadcasted on cable. The sound sucked, the guests were irritating to watch, you could barely hear Joni's guitar in parts. The audience recording that was treed many years ago and some awful echo too. It definitely was not the place to perform if you didn't have an electric guitar and a wall of amps. Plus, Joni looked like she just wanted it to be over. And yes, I was talking about Joni. Did Dylan play at that festival too? I just thought all the performers ended the show with I Shall Be Released. Mark At 1:30 PM -0600 3/6/02, William Waddell wrote: >Mark wrote; >a bunch of other performers. That was a struggle to watch! > >How come Mark? Were you there or/and is it available on video? I >missed the show by a week or so - I lived in Japan for five years >and left in 1994. The temples in Japan can be awesomely beautiful, >inspiring, uplifting, aesthetically perfect, calming in a Zen way, >and other adjectives verging on superlative. I was so miffed that I >had missed what could have been the concert of a lifetime, and more >than likely my only chance ever to see Joni live, and with Dylan to >boot. This might sound odd but I never go to concerts for the music >- man, I can listen to the music at home; more the atmosphere or the >event I suppose. Unless you're prepared to fork out a small fortune >and get the best seats in the house, I'd rather give it a miss. >However, I'm intrigued what you have to say about the "struggle to >watch". I assume you mean Dylan and not Joni! >Best regards. >WtS > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:00:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Todaiji To Die For <> I'm assuming that's the same video that's included on Video Tree #1? I have the video, I just haven't seen it in awhile and can't remember if "Released" is on the video. But as for the audio, I like to listen to it because of the asian flutist/flautist or whatever the instrument is that he's playing. Bob NP: Chris Isaak, "Shadows In A Mirror" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:32:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Graham party in RS so joni WAS there! maybe pink latex WAS joni, after all. thanks kakki! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Miircoles, 06 de Marzo de 2002 05:18 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Graham party in RS This was posted on the CSN list today. From the current Rolling Stone, pg. 10: PRETTY IN PINK Graham Nash's psychedelic Birthday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:02:43 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: RE: Bob vs. Joni, 10% JC Lama wrote: >Well, yeah. Even though I made my points, I also agree with yours! :) > >Furthermore, I should take back what I said about his collaborators. I >mean, for starters, Mister Dylan worked with The Band, Daniel Lanois, Johnny >Cash, George Harrison, and Emmylou Harris. Also Victoria Spivey, Harry Belafonte, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, Steve Goodman, Earl Scruggs, Bette Midler, Leonard Cohen, Warren Zevon, Van Morrison, U2, David Bromberg, Nanci Griffith, Sheryl Crowe, Joan Osborne, Willie Nelson, Patti Smith, Rolling Stones, Elvis Costello, Brian Wilson, Bruce Springsteen, and, oh yes, Joni Mitchell. >The fact that he didn't have the jazz influence that Joni does should not >count against him. Have you heard "If Dogs Run Free"? >I am adjusting my ledger today to show that Bob's collaborators are the >equal of Joni's. > > > >The beauty of music fans, (unlike sports fans) is that we can root for a >great mulititude of talented people. > >Are you feeling the spirit? Hallelujah, I'm ready to testify! Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:42:25 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Cool Water Cool Water, Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm. I like this song. It's refreshing to have a popular artist write and publish lyrics that have phrases like this in them: Our throats slate dry Our spirits cry out for water Cool clear water Keep on movin' Dan Some devils had a plan Buried poison in the sand Don't drink it man It's in the water Cool clear water She questions authority. She tells it like it is. That's why we love her so. (One reason) Marianne "Each star is a pool of water" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:02:48 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Re Thanks from a lurker I was with a group of school friends in 1970 I listened to a tape of For the roses for 6 moths straight untol my mother bought me copy of blue -she was going nuts-. I have seen Joni 4 times 3 times in London and 1 unforgettable time in New York 2000 for the Both Sides Now Tour (Joni was unbelievably good that night). When I saw 8 days of New York City, fabulous, when I also saw Jerry Seinfield give an unannounced free performance in a new York Comedy Club. He said he was keeping his hand in! Best Wishes, Paul Headon Wales - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/2002 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #66 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?