From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #64 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 064 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: March 4 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: March 4 [les@jmdl.com] House Concerts 101 nwjc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Keys/Norah sjc, long [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Ani Difranco discusses Bob vs. Joni ["hell" ] Step right up - getcher copy of #27 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Ani Difranco discusses Bob vs. Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Judy Collins & Dylan vljc [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: Nathan La Franeer [Gil Lamont ] a young-whippersnapper's take on the Grammy's ["Kate Bennett" ] " sweet " judy blue eyes... [WARREN901@aol.com] Chitlins & The Glossary [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Chitlins & The Glossary [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Chitlins & The Glossary [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: " sweet " judy blue eyes... ["Sybil Skelton" ] Joni PWWAM on Trio FRI [Randy Remote ] Thanks from a lurker !! ["Paul Headon" ] Re: Today's Articles: February 28 (Court & Spark) ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lam] Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) [Gary Zack >If one has the space, I highly recommend hosting a house concert ... And I highly recommend booking me, Fred Simon, to play a house concert. I'll play some Joni, too. But you need a piano. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:24:16 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Keys/Norah sjc, long Lama, thanks ever so much for your kind words. Glad I could groove you with mine. - -Fred "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" wrote: >Fred, >I'm away for the weekend so I won't be able to post >this till Sunday night. Great post. I love the way you wrote this. The >word choice. The phrasing. > >I had no idea that there was a word for the vocal >gymnastics made popular of late. > >"melisma" > >I looked it up at www.webster.com and found: >> >1 : a group of notes or tones sung on one syllable in >plainsong >2 : melodic embellishment >> > >Thanks for teaching me a new word about music. I read >this paragraph several times, then read it aloud for >my friend. This post made my day and made me glad to >still have a toe in this community. > >"faux soul caricature": wonderful phrase, Fred. > >All the best, > >Lama > >p.s. Obligitory Joni content: > >Example of "melisma" by a master > >[I took my share down by the sea > Paper plates and Javex bottles on the tide > Seagulls come down and they squawk at me > Down where the water skiers > gli-i-i-i-i-i-de] > >"Banquet" by Joni Mitchell > > >Fred Simon said, >>>I may be in the minority, but I don't really think >Keys is all that, plus >she's got melisma flatulence like crazy, just like >almost every other >latter-day nu-soul/R&B singer. Enough already. Listen >to Mahalia Jackson, or >Stevie Wonder, or Aretha, if you wanna hear some >tasteful, proportioned >melisma. I mean, it was bad enough when Mariah Carey >came on the scene, but >now every little Britney and Christina is obliged to >stretch every syllable >into a hundred notes of faux soul caricature.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:31:58 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Ani Difranco discusses Bob vs. Joni Kerry wrote (or rather Kerry wrote, that Ani wrote...): > You know it's funny, I spent last August with Mr. Bob Dylan. I was > touring/opening shows for him and ever since then...all the interviewers > keep asking me..'What was it like touring with God?' and 'What words of > wisdom did he bestow upon you?'...There's this kind of religion of hyperbole > that surrounds Bob and 'long live the church of Bob.' You know, I would > never attempt heresy in that area, especially not in my line of work, but > it's funny because Bob was never really a deity for me, not anywhere near > the scope of which Joni Mitchell was and I think that respecting his > work...is a good idea...he's done quite a few cool things...but it seems > that in the states, the canon of Bob seems to become deeper and richer and > more ingrained in my culture every day and Joni seems to be systematically > forgotten and periodically condescended to by the media....It's really > strange to me, not as strange as I wish it was to me. It's actually quite > familiar. First I have to thank Kerry for introducing me to Ani's music - very powerful stuff, and I can't wait to hear more! I have to agree with Ani on this one, but I think a lot of the difference in perception between Joni and Bob is simple timing. I've always thought of Bob as pretty much the vanguard of the whole folk-rock movement - that crossover that folk music made into the "mainstream". Which was important in itself, but probably accounts for a lot of the reverence he's given. I'm not saying he shouldn't get it - his lyrics are powerful, and he was one of the first to say something other than "I love you" in a "popular" song! Joni came along much later, when the "movement" (for want of a better word) was well under way. He is also a lot less vocal in the media than Joni (as far as I know, at least) and that may work against her. Like Joni says "An angry man is just an angry man, but an angry woman..... bitch!" An unfortunate perception, but a true one in many cases, none the less. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:16:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Step right up - getcher copy of #27 In typical style, I'm giving away a copy of Covers Volume 27 to whoever can come the closest to the Joni song I'm thinking of. Name the song & the album, please. I'll take guesses until midnight Friday, and then I'll declare a winner (or winners in the event of a tie) on Saturday morning. ***Lurkers & newbies, I throw down the gauntlet & challenge you to guess - be a playa!*** Meanwhile, if you want to get a copy regardless, let me know and we'll get it squared away. And a thanks to all of you out there who continue to make this an enjoyable project for us. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:25:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Ani Difranco discusses Bob vs. Joni kerry wrote: > I just came across a recording of a concert that Ani Difranco did in > Australia at the Port Fairy Folk Festival in 1998. She said some > interesting things about Joni between songs: > > Ani was having trouble re-tuning her guitar and said, > "These alternative tunings always seem like a real good idea when I'm at > home and they're written out in front of me. I once saw Joni Mitchell play > a show and she was just standing there for like ten minutes going, 'ah..., > ah...' trying to re-tune her guitar to some ridiculous tuning. I felt that > it affirmed my whole life..... I have this recording and all I could do when I heard it was to be more impressed with my home town girl Ani. She is the real deal. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:35:38 -0600 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: funny Dylan SJC hi mark e. in seattle! and everyone. mark, i'm so glad you are enjoying the dylan CDs you bought! i think "blonde" is the masterpiece -- my absolute favorite -- and dylan has a quote where he describes the sound of that album as "a thin, wild mercury sound" which i think is beautiful and apt. i think that "blood on the tracks" has always been a bit easier to listen to, though, because it has the gorgeous melodic songs -- but "blonde" is challenging and more fascinating ultimately, in my opinion. dylan is funny! i agree, his reputation might not put that out first, but with time i've grown to love his slightly twisted, slightly harsh, wry and winsome worldview. the quotes that someone added recently to a post demonstrated that. i'm trying to think of another example but now i can't! i have a writer friend who is to dylan what i am to joni (in love for life!) and through his knowledge and guidance i have found so much richness and reward listening to dylan. it's funny coming to him as a joni "person" b/c you really have that "joni's the best" attitude that ani difranco was expressing in a recent quote here (opposite to what most of the public thinks!) so bob really had to do some work to impress me...it took some time but i'm so glad i stayed with it...what a joy (frustrating though, and confusing often) his music can be. anyway, i thought i had specific a point here, but possibly not -- just wanted to say i'm glad you are enjoying his work! love to hear more about your discoveries. - -- emily ps: my friend told me that "another side of bob dylan" was recorded in one night, which i find amazing every time i listen to that record. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:17:20 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Collins & Dylan vljc Mark, I'd second the vote for "Hard Times For Lovers". Great album! Sondheim's "I Remember Sky" and several other cuts ("Dorothy", "Marie", and "Starmaker") are pure heaven. I'd also suggest two of Judy's early 80's albums, "Times Of Our Lives" and Running For My Life". TOOLives has a shimmering pop feel to it, with a couple of my Judy faves "Mama, Mama", and "Drink A Round To Ireland". RFMLife is in the same vein. I agree with Mack that some of Judy's early stuff is too folkie for me...I tend to go for her later stuff. "Shameless" was mentioned here, too. Great book and album. Enjoy! Reuben writes: My favorite is "Hard Times for Lovers" which someone here > has mentioned previously was a bomb, according to the critics. It is > marvelous and I long ago wore it out but continue to turn it around the > player. Very romantic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:16:06 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Nathan La Franeer SCJoniGuy wrote: >Perhaps you can give us some more info, nlafraneer. Is that your real name? >Are you the famous taxi driver that Joni wrote about? ;~) At the 1969 Troubadour concert (or maybe it was elsewhere, on tv? I remember hearing Joni discuss it), Joni said the taxi driver's name was Nathan La Franier, but she changed it for the song. So my guess is that nlafraneer is not. ;-) Gil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:25:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a young-whippersnapper's take on the Grammy's it came out great Erica! your observations are right on in my opinionated opinion! loved your dylan impression too! >>Ok, I hope this all comes out right....>>> ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:25:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Grammy Screamers Funny post! The other night Jay Leno had to tell the screamers to hush- everytime he mentioned the name of Ono, the skater, who was going to be a guest...the screamers went berzerk. But these screamers have been around a long time- going backwards in time: Beatles, Elvis, Frank Sinatra... >>>Here's one of my weird, curmugeonly little fascinations: Who are those people in the audience at award shows who are always screaming? It's a trend that seemed to start in the 1980s, when high-tech glitz started taking over these sorts of televised entertainments. <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:40:09 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: " sweet " judy blue eyes... mark, i wanted to chime in with my favorite judy LP . i have many and several of my favoirites have already been mentioned. ( i've been listening to judy almost as long as i've been listening to our joan; about thirty years . ) i think my " all-time favorite " is one called " judith. " here's a playlist: the moon is a harsh mistress angel spread your wings houses ( one of my favorite judy compositions ! ) the lovinn' of the game song for duke send in the clowns ( overplayed but still a gem...) salt of the earth brother, can you spare a dime city of new orleans i'll be seeing you pirate ships ( an exquisite wendy waldman piece. ) born to the breed ( another of my favorite judy compositions...there are many ! ) i have seen judy in concert four times and they have always been is small venues. ( i only wish i could see joni in a small venue, not to mention in my hometown ! ) she always give a wonderful performance. well there you have my two cents worth, i hope it has been of help. happy listening... lots of joni ( judy too !!! ) warren keith p.s. in an earlier post on the confusion with the three " J's " someone said judy, like joni, also had long blonde hair. i recall judy being a brunette ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:37:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Chitlins & The Glossary In our JMDL Glossary, it has a reference for "Chitlins", a term that as a South Carolinian I'm very familiar with. BUT I don't think this is the correct interpretation for what Joni is saying in "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" (the song that uses the phrase). The context is: When the bandstands had a thousand ways Of refusing a black man admission Black musician In those days they put him in an Underdog position They put him in Cellars and chitlins' Now I think what she's saying is that black musicians could not play or attend shows in the established (white) clubs, but rather had to depend on what was called the "chitlin' circuit", venues/homes whatever that featured black musicians & audiences. I'm sure that the name "chitlin circuit" was given as that was what the performers were fed, but I don't think the definition in the glossary is totally correct in terms of what Joni was writing about. Bob NP: Lauryn Hill, "Everything Is Everything" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:18:09 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Chitlins & The Glossary In a message dated 3/4/2002 3:38:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I'm sure that the name "chitlin circuit" was given as that was what the > performers were fed, but I don't think the definition in the glossary is > totally correct in terms of what Joni was writing about. > I think your right on Bob. I just looked in the JMDL glossary, and while it's nice to know what "chitlins" are, I think Joni *was* referring to "chitlin circuit" when she wrote "cellars and chitlins". The chitlin circuits were venues that not only sold chitlins, but other kinds of soul food dishes. These venues were the only places black musicians could perform in the 50's and 60's. I read Jimi Hendrix played some of the Chitlin Circuit! Maybe we should amend the JMDL glossary. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:41:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chitlins & The Glossary <> Among many others...here's a pic and the story of Jimi & the Chitlin' Circuit: http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/jh_chitlin.htm Bob NP: Michael Hill's Blues Mob, "Wrong Number" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:49:35 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: " sweet " judy blue eyes... "p.s. in an earlier post on the confusion with the three " J's " someone said judy, like joni, also had long blonde hair. i recall judy being a brunette !" I thought the same thing - "chestnut brown canary" wasn't it? Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:54:56 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Bounced emails Hello everyone. I don't know if the list-admin keeps track but my email was down for 3 days and with the load here, there must have been a lot of bounced emails. It's working again and emails are getting through so all's well, I guess. Warmest regards, Nick Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ Text Only Pages: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:03:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni PWWAM on Trio FRI Joni's concert "Painting With Words and Music" will air on the Trio network this Friday, March 8 at 9AM and 3PM EST. Recommended, and some of our very own jmdl'ers were there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:11:16 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Thanks from a lurker !! I would just like to thank all contributers to this list for keeping this lurker, and rare contributer, well and truly amused! Thanks, yours in Joni, Paul Headon. Wales - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:15:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Today's Articles: February 28 (Court & Spark) Jerry, What alarms me is that the years are getting shorter, not longer, so in what *kind* of blink of an eye will we all be looking back over 2002 - 2030 ????? As in "1974 was 56 years ago?? How can it be? Where has it gone? Is that all there is?" Frightening may be a good word to use. Anyway, "blonde in the bleachers" asked, >>Also did Bob Dylan look like a stuffed wax dummy with a lot of bad make-up on or is it just my imagination?>> Lama Jerry said, >>It is a great read, Bob. But all I could say was My God, was it really 28 years ago? And then wonder about all those people I was close with then. We must have put this record on every night for a year when we got together. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 02:42:15 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) Mark E. ["Mark or Travis" ] wrote, on Judy Collins: > >Recently I've been listening to 'Colors of the Day' and 'Forever' by Judy >Collins. Before I bought these cds the only Judy Collins I had was a vinyl >copy of 'So Early in the Spring', another retrospective, and, buried away >somewhere, the single of 'Both Sides Now' (which was my first exposure to >Joni's writing.) But I have been enjoying these two compilations quite a >lot. I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be but in her heyday >it was gorgeous. Very clear and expressive. From what I get from her >liner notes on 'Forever', she has tried to use her music as a way to send >out healing to people during some of the turbulent times she has lived >through. >A lot of it is very soothing and beautiful. > >So I'd like some suggestions as to which of her albums that are not >'greatest hits' or retrospectives I should get next. I put a bunch of them >on my wish list at CDNow (although I'm a little miffed at them at the >moment) and any suggestions from the group would be welcome. > > >Happy Sunday! > >Mark E in Seattle > ... and Jerry Notaro wrote: > >Some suggestions: > >Living >In My Life >Wildflowers >Judy Sings Dylan >Live at Newport >The Fifth Album >Whales and Nightingales >Classic Broadway > ... and Mack ["Dolphie Bush" ] wrote: > >Mark. I am a big fan of Judy Collins but no expert. Have four of her >albums. Always lament the fact that I don't have more but something else >always seems to be that of which I would rather have, at the moment. "True >Stories" is superb, especially Secret Gardens which will melt your heart. >It also has the priceless Cook With Honey on it and Song for Martin, which >could be my favorite Judy tune, of those I have heard. "Recollections" is >good. It may be some kind of compilation but I don't believe it is a >greatest hits since I had never heard most of the selections on it. She >does Dylan tunes on this one, plus others, including Mr. Tambourine Man, >Farewell, Tomorrow is a Long Time, and Daddy, You've Been on My Mind. I >found it a little too folksy for my taste but it is still excellent. "The >Fifth Album", I notice, has some of those same tunes on it. Again, too >folksy for me. My favorite is "Hard Times for Lovers" which someone here >has mentioned previously was a bomb, according to the critics. It is >marvelous and I long ago wore it out but continue to turn it around the >player. Very romantic. You cannot lose with that one and Scavullo's pic >of Judy on the cover is very nice. Not so much of a homosexual that I >don't know beauty when I see it and Judy's backside definitely is something >I don't mind looking at. Course the expert on this list to tell you about >Judy is Tim Spong. Hope that helped somewhat and hope you are well. > >Mack ... and I add a few comments: Mack is too kind. I'm not sure I can improve on the preceding comments. I don't have the complete catalogs of anybody who has produced more than three albums, including Judy C. and Joni M., and therefore can't say, "These are my favorites out of the whole lot." I certainly like the two J.C. albums I have had the longest, "Who Knows Where the Time Goes" and "Judith," and the "Shameless" CD that was a companion to the novel of the same name and is all-original, as was recently pointed out on this list, and "All on a Wintry Night," the latest Christmas-oriented CD. "Both Sides Now" made its first appearance on "Wildflowers" and reappeared on "So Early in the Spring: The First 15 Years." There is also an album called "Both Sides Now," but I haven't heard it, and, therefore, don't know if the original recording or another one is on it. Also, without a reference in front of me, I can't tell you where "Michael From Mountains" and "Chelsea Morning" appear. "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it used to be ... gorgeous. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:50:52 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jackson Browne's "Only Child" (oblique jc) Thanks, Brian; no I think the song is called ONLY CHILD. DL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:53:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chitlins & The Glossary > Among many others...here's a pic and the story of Jimi & the Chitlin' Circuit: > > http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/jh_chitlin.htm > Very cool article, Bob. Thanks for posting the URL. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:17:51 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) > "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, > it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it > used to be ... gorgeous. > Maybe it's the way it's been recorded in more recent years. Driving home tonight I was listening to disk 2 of 'Forever' and heard one of the songs that was newly written & recorded at the time of this compilation called 'Walls (We Are Not Forgotten)'. Her voice rings through strong & clear on this song and is very powerful. But there's something about the way it's recorded that seems to soften the sound of it and I've noticed this on several of her later songs. And no offense to Mack, but when 'Hard Times For Lovers' was a hit on the radio it used to drive me nuts because she sounded flat half the time and I thought 'boy, she's really lost it!' But now I'm wondering if it was the way it was recorded. The newer version of 'Chelsea Morning' is another one where the voice seems lost in a fog inside an echo chamber or some damn thing. She has a beautiful voice and I don't see any need to soften it or obscure it in a blurry, echo-ey haze of sound. The early recordings that have less production really showcase that voice. But she's also proven she can front some fairly heavy production and still sound great like on 'First Boy I Loved' or 'Albatross'. Anyway I'm really enjoying exploring her body of work. I'm developing a great deal of respect and admiration for her. She chose wonderful songs to sing and sang them with beauty & conviction. And some of her writing's not bad either. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:38:20 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Dreamland (McGuinn) SCJoniGuy wrote, re: Roger McGuinn's version of "Dreamland": > It's on his LP "Cardiff Rose". I like McGuinn on a song like "Chestnut Mare", but he can't get the rhythm or the melodic line of Dreamland and it's pretty horrible. > To give Roger his due, here ... McGuinn's version of "Dreamland" is based on Joni's own early version of the song, which was quite different from the version that was released on "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." Joni taught it to Roger soon after she'd written it (accompanying herself on guitar on "Dreamland," then), when both were touring together with Dylan in his Rolling Thunder Revue (1975). Roger's "Cardiff Rose" LP was a direct outgrowth of that traveling minstrel show, and it's one of my favorites of his solo albums. He included a brand new Dylan song on it, too - "Up To Me" - which was about to become "Tangled Up In Blue" on Dylan's "Blood On The Tracks." Dylan's own version of "Up To Me" (an early outtake from BOTT) can be heard on the "Biograph" box set. In both cases, McGuinn took the embryonic versions of the songs into the studio, and his versions are accurate representations of the songs as they existed at that time. Best, (Boston) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:14:51 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) I've always liked Judy too, and she is indeed the one who brought me to know Joni. I saw her a number of times live in the late 60s; loved "Both Sides Now" on the radio and when she did "Chelsea Morning" in concert I flipped out, not realizing at first that they were both written by Joni. I discovered Judy with the album "Wildflowers" so that's always been a favorite ("Michael From Mountains" appears on that one as well), followed by "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" and "In My Life." My understanding regarding her voice was that she either had some throat problems and/or surgery, or something was wrong with her vocal chords around the time of the albums produced in the early 80s. I thought she hit some pretty bad notes on a few of those albums, and I kind of lost her. She has said that she has battled alcoholism as well, which may have manifested itself more greatly after the death of her son. It's possible that the alcohol may have altered her abilities and vocal quality as well during those years. I may well have my facts wrong on this, but this is the way I understood it. I think her voice has come back beautifully, and I do love listening especially to those three albums mentioned above. And she plays a beautiful piano, especially on two favorites, "My Father" and "Secret Gardens." I once heard a rumor when I lived in California that Judy took one of Joni's songs called "Love Song To A Stranger" and wrote the notes of the song backward to create "Secret Gardens!!" Rumor only of course, but I found it fascinating at that time! Anyway thats my uneducated two cents on Judy! I do love her, always will. Best regards, Gary np: Norah Jones, "Come Away With Me" Mark or Travis wrote: > > > "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, > > it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it > > used to be ... gorgeous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:03:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) I once heard a > rumor when I lived in California that Judy took one of > Joni's songs called "Love Song To A Stranger" and wrote the > notes of the song backward to create "Secret Gardens!!" > Rumor only of course, but I found it fascinating at that > time! I take it you're talking about Joanie Baez here. 'Love Song To A Stranger' is one of her original songs. And not a bad one, either. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #64 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?