From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 061 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 1 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 1 [les@jmdl.com] STAS vs. SIAM [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Dog Eat Dog [Dave Cuneo ] Re: STAS vs. SIAM [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: STAS vs. SIAM [FredNow@aol.com] "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN ["Timothy Spong" ] Rusty Chariots in "I had a King" ["brian symes" ] Joni poem and grammys ["michael o'malley" ] Joni at dinner [Deb Messling ] March Madness - Covers # 27 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #96 - More Grammy Whammies [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:08:38 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 1 On March 1 the following articles were published: 1972: "Joni Mitchell - Jackson Browne at Carnegie Hall" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/720301v.cfm 1991: "The Grown-Up Game" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/910301ew.cfm 1999: "King Bob and Queen Joni - A Crown Jewel of a Show" - Blacklisted Journalist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990301bj.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:08:38 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 1 On March 1 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Joni and Tom Scott win the Best Arrangement Accompanying Vocalists category for "Down To You" from Court And Spark, at the 17th Annual Grammy Awards. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:40:07 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: STAS vs. SIAM SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Not really a fair analogy, though. Imagine instead that Joni gets a big >star-maker machinery push in 1968 and wins multi-grammies for STAS in 1969? >It was a good record too, but it wouldn't have been deserving of that magnitude >of praise any more than "Songs In A Minor" is today. Bob, did you really write this? If so, did you really mean this? STAS is the brilliant debut of a genius, SIAM is ... OK. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:11:41 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link In a message dated 2/26/02 11:04:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: > Last night on the British version of The Weakest Link, one of the questions > was something like: > > "Roberta Anderson, composer of a number of songs which were popular during > the 60's and 70's, is better known as Joni ........." > > I thought the question was too easy! What other women singers have a first > name of Joni??? > I agree Marian, it was too easy! It makes me crazy that JM's career is a focus of trivia games (noting recent questions on Jeoprady, Weakest Link, and Millionaire), as if she were ancient history. Then, the contestants usually get the answers wrong.. as I scream the answer at the TV, like a crazy man...! Thank God we are among the enlightened! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:43:28 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Dog Eat Dog Ciao, A member said: "Imagine if everyone judged Joni by Dog Eat Dog? " Hey, I know this album seems to be controversial to the group but I want to say I think it is excellent. I have been listening to it in my car a lot lately ( the car stereo is better than the one at home and the acoustics are awesome!). Yes, it is more "techno" than any other Joni album, but so what? The music is great. My favorite song is "Lucky Girl" - a somewhat ironic piece considering her later divorce. I just noticed recently that in "Dog Eat Dog" someone (Klein?) is saying real low and in the background "dog eat dog" through the whole tune - sort of like in a cartoon dog voice - never noticed that before! The only one i don't like is "Tax Free". Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:01:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS vs. SIAM <> I did write it, but I don't think I expressed myself clearly. Nothing new there... I certainly wasn't trying to compare STAS with SIAM. What I was saying is that STAS was probably not deserving of 6 or so Grammies in 1969 any more than SIAM was in 2002. It would be interesting to look back and see who won what in 1969, and also what other great records came out then. If I recall correctly, '68/'69 was a pretty fertile time for rock & pop music! ;~) Is that any better, or do I still sound like the village idiot? Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Through Your Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:01:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS vs. SIAM Yes, it would be interesting to see who won what in 1969, and you know what, Bob? You're the perfect person to research it! (insert emoticon here) I agree that that was a fertile time (these young whippersnappers just don't make music like they used to), but I honestly think whatever won, if it had been STAS it would have been no less deserving ... that's how highly I think of STAS, one of Joni's best. But because music suffers from chronic iron-poor blood these days, SIAM looked good, like Geritol. Fred In a message dated 3/1/02 8:01:49 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: ><> > >I did write it, but I don't think I expressed myself clearly. Nothing new >there... > >I certainly wasn't trying to compare STAS with SIAM. What I was saying >is that STAS was probably not deserving of 6 or so Grammies in 1969 any >more than SIAM was in 2002. It would be interesting to look back and see >who won what in 1969, and also what other great records came out then. >If I recall correctly, '68/'69 was a pretty fertile time for rock & pop >music! ;~) > >Is that any better, or do I still sound like the village idiot? > >Bob > >NP: John Hiatt, "Through Your Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:05:40 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN Attention, Bob "Coversmeister" Mueller and any interested jmdl-er, Today, on the "Women's Music Hour" program-within-a-program, "The Morning Show" on WXPN: 1) For the Select-A-Set, a station member (i.e., contributor), mindful of the recent Grammy awards, requested the playing of songs by three significant female artists, in chronological order of their career beginnings. Joni's "Ladies of the Canyon" (the individual song) was followed by a Lucinda Williams selection and then, a PJ Harvey selection. 2) Later in the same hour, the live in-studio guest was Teri Rambo, an emerging artist who had moved into Phildadelphia a year ago. Teri performed one of her own compositions; then, the host, Michaela Majoun, with Joni's Lifetime Achievement Grammy as a point of departure, asked Teri how she became familiar with JM's music, Teri being to young to experience it "the first time around." Teri told who introduced her, the details of which I forget, and then went into an excellent rendition of "A Case of You," much like Joni's original. While I didn't retain whether there was specific mention of available recordings, there probably are; the place to find out is terirambo@excite.com. At WXPN, the AAA radio station owned, but not funded, by the University of Pennsylvania, the staff loves Joni's music as much as we do. Ms. Majoun, who was the introducer at the Both Sides Now tour stop in Camden, N.J. [for the far-flung members of our community not familiar with Mid-Atlantic U.S.A. geography, Camden is right across the Delaware River from Philadelphia] sometimes refers to JM as "the goddess." Besides the Philadelphia station at 88.5 MHz, they have two subsidiary stations at 88.1 MHz, Harrisburg, Pa., (WXPH) and 104.9 MHz in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa. (evidently a "translator" station whose callsign, which would contains numbers and letters, they never announce), and the signal is carried part-time by the station at Kent High School, Worton, Md., WKHS, 90.5 MHz, when the latter is not broadcasting locally originated material. WXPN also puts its programming as streaming audio on the Web; go to www.xpn.org. WKHS had done so, but recently announced that it is suspended until outstanding copyright issues are resolved. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:27:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN <> I couldn't find anything on Teri Rambo anywhere on the web...so if you can find something, let me know! Thanks for thinking about covers, and hey - look at the time! It's the 1st! ;~) Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:11:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: March Madness!! Covers #27 Yes, it's time for "March Madness"...no, I'm not talking about the NCAA, I'm talking about another slamdunk of Joni covers! And March comes in like a lion, with another collection of eclectic (& sometimes pathetic) versions of Joni tunes. Fresh off of it's "World Premiere" in Athens, GA, here's the rundown: 1. Nick DeCaro - All I Want: The "Love Boat lounge" version. 2. Catfish Hodge - For Free: This one's an odd duck. Bob "Catfish" Hodge worked with a lot of mostly southern R & B Artists, and put out a couple of solo records. This cover of For Free is a tough listen at first, but I find it very soulful. 3. Don Randi - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. 4. Percy Faith - Big Yellow Taxi: Once you get past the "turkey in the straw" barnyard intro, this one is also pretty dull. From the "Black Magic Woman" LP...(somehow I can't imagine Percy with a black magic woman.) 5. Roger Cardwell - The Circle Game: Australia's answer to Roger Whitaker. 6. Lill Lindfors - Gladigen (Carey in Swedish): I don't speak Swedish, but I think she's basically rewritten this song with a different subject. It's awfully pretty though. 7. Barry Miles - Woodstock: A nice funky early 70's jazz workout. Shaft-like. 8. Jimmy Winchell - Free Man In Paris: I used to wish I could sing. Now I wish HE could. SO bad, it should have won a grammy! ;~) 9. Turid - Jag Vet En Prins (I Had A King/Swedish) Turid is/was a 60's/70's folksinger with a Joni-like beautiful voice. Listen to the piano intro here and tell me that it doesn't have a Court & Spark feel to it. And this was recorded in '73 before C&S! 10. Ray Charles Singers - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. Nothing to do with THE Ray Charles... 11. Leslie Ritter/Scott Petito - Woodstock: This is from their CD released last year called "Circles In Sand". It's a great CD, very new age but more down to earth. This is one of my favorite versions of Woodstock. 12. Ken Watters Group - Both Sides Now: Also from 2001, this is a great jazz interpretation with Ken on trumpet & flugelhorn with a fine quartet. 13. Peter White - River: Featuring Kenny Lattimore on the vocal, sounds great, very soulful, perhaps just a tad too sanitized for my tastes, but I'm sure it would be a popular favorite. 14. Hanne Boel - How Do You Stop: A pleasant enough vocal on this song which I know isn't REALLY a Joni cover. 15. Bernie Steinberg/Tina Malia - The Circle Game: Off of a CD called "Folk Music For Kids", this is a duet sung by 2 children, which raises the question of whether it makes sense to have kids singing a song about watching kids grow up. They do a fine job with it though. 16. Davy Graham - Both Sides Now: Here's the medallion-piece of this CD to me...mostly because this one is hard to find, and well worth the hunt! Anything BUT ho hum. About 7 minutes long, with a "Cotton Ave" like guitar intro, in a raga mode, then Davy breaks into a guitar lick EXACTLY like what Joni did in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" (this song was recorded in 1968) then the tempo picks up and it's an acoustic roller-coaster ride. Boy is it great!! There you have it, another fine entry into the never-ending saga that is the JMDL covers project. Coming up: how you can get a copy for your very own! Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Round Of Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog Ciao Dave! Well, some of us do like DED. It's one of my favorite Joni albums. I think the songs are more melodic than some on DJRD, which is probably my least favorite (except for a few songs.) I always thought the voice on DED was Thomas Dolby through a synthesizer or something, but I reallize I just made that up. So anyway, you're not alone. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Grammy Grumblings, continued (VLJC) > U2 is fine, but I don't see the genius. I think they write those pop songs in about 15 minutes and a lot of it is just repetitious crap. THANK YOU!!! I think they're way overrated. If I wrote that stuff, I'd NEVER get anywhere. (well, not that I'm exactly getting anywhere, anyway...) The more I see, the more amazed I am that Joni has survived at all. Intelligence just doesn't sell, mostly because the record execs don't want it to. Gee, that would mean having to come up with something intelligent next week, and the week after... They're not up to it. I wonder if there'll ever be anti-trust suits against the 5 companies that basically control all entertainment in the U.S.... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:46:24 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Norah Jones sjc On 1 Mar 2002 at 4:32, FredNow@aol.com wrote: > But Norah Jones ... I'm betting on her. Last night I read an email > from a friend telling me I had to check her out (had never heard of > her) and simultaneously flipping TV channels landing on Leno in the > middle of Norah Jones' song. I only heard a little bit, but she's > really got it. I highly recommend checking out her on-air performance on Vin Scelsa's great show, Idiot's Delight on WFVU. She appeared last fall. About an hour into the show he asks her about what she's listening to and she gets downright giddy talking about Joni. She mentions Blue and Turbulent Indigo as her favorites and talks about how hard it is to let go of the "old" Joni but that she loves where Joni's voice is now. Check it out here under Streaming Audio: http://www.norahjones.com/av/default.htm Brenda n.p.: Norah Jones - "No Easy Way Down" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:14:44 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Rusty Chariots in "I had a King" Young Joni did lived in a fairy tale world but I think the leadedgas air in Detroit added to fracturing alice's mirror,and the metaphor of rusty chariots in "I had a king" I think refers to the high road salt use during the winter in Detroit. Back then the Big Three lived on the Three year loan plan. Not Rust proofing the cars was plan oblsensence, a personal story proves this. Dad went out and bought a 57 De Soto after he payed it off he was driving down Five Mile Road one winter's day with his mother in the passenger seat when he hit a pothole crossing the Rouge river Bridge the next thing I saw from the back seat was Grand ma falling thru the floor board with sparks flying in to the back seat on me. File a lawsuit no he worked for Chyrsler so he went out and bought a new Plymouth sedan. NP Cal Tjader, Ritmo Uni with the same sound as Joni did on the Tenth World - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:12:17 EST To: , Subject: Re: Perception is.... nothing. 100% JC > < about?>> > > I Had A King...from Song To A Seagull, first song. > > LOVE these tough trivia questions! ;~) > > Bob > - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:52:42 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni poem and grammys Deb, I just wanted to thank you for the Joni poem (which I read with pleasure in two separate posts). It's a beautiful portrait of an artist, and I think it speaks as much about Joni as it does Mr. Hutchins. On the Grammys, I just have to vent this, I think I'm getting old, because truly, this show is just getting more crass and trashy every year, and unfortunately, it also reflects our pop music culture. Where have our great artists gone? Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni at dinner I had family over for dinner and was so pleased to hear my college-age niece say she's "obsessed" with Cotton Avenue. She made me lend her my copy of DJRD. Her boyfriend ask shyly if he could look at the Mingus album. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:32:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: March Madness - Covers # 27 (I sent this earlier today, but I don't think it went through...sorry if it's a repeat.) Yes, it's time for "March Madness"...no, I'm not talking about the NCAA, I'm talking about another slamdunk of Joni covers! And March comes in like a lion, with another collection of eclectic (& sometimes pathetic) versions of Joni tunes. Fresh off of its "World Premiere" in Athens, GA, here's the rundown: 1. Nick DeCaro - All I Want: The "Love Boat lounge" version. 2. Catfish Hodge - For Free: This one's an odd duck. Bob "Catfish" Hodge worked with a lot of mostly southern R & B Artists, and put out a couple of solo records. This cover of For Free is a tough listen at first, but I find it very soulful. 3. Don Randi - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. 4. Percy Faith - Big Yellow Taxi: Once you get past the "turkey in the straw" barnyard intro, this one is also pretty dull. From the "Black Magic Woman" LP...(somehow I can't imagine Percy with a black magic woman.) 5. Roger Cardwell - The Circle Game: Australia's answer to Roger Whitaker. 6. Lill Lindfors - Gladigen (Carey in Swedish): I don't speak Swedish, but I think she's basically rewritten this song with a different subject. It's awfully pretty though. 7. Barry Miles - Woodstock: A nice funky early 70's jazz workout. Shaft-like. 8. Jimmy Winchell - Free Man In Paris: I used to wish I could sing. Now I wish HE could. SO bad, it should have won a grammy! ;~) 9. Turid - Jag Vet En Prins (I Had A King/Swedish) Turid is/was a 60's/70's folksinger with a Joni-like beautiful voice. Listen to the piano intro here and tell me that it doesn't have a Court & Spark feel to it. And this was recorded in '73 before C&S! 10. Ray Charles Singers - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. Nothing to do with THE Ray Charles... 11. Leslie Ritter/Scott Petito - Woodstock: This is from their CD released last year called "Circles In Sand". It's a great CD, very new age but more down to earth. This is one of my favorite versions of Woodstock. 12. Ken Watters Group - Both Sides Now: Also from 2001, this is a great jazz interpretation with Ken on trumpet & flugelhorn with a fine quartet. 13. Peter White - River: Featuring Kenny Lattimore on the vocal, sounds great, very soulful, perhaps just a tad too sanitized for my tastes, but I'm sure it would be a popular favorite. 14. Hanne Boel - How Do You Stop: A pleasant enough vocal on this song which I know isn't REALLY a Joni cover. 15. Bernie Steinberg/Tina Malia - The Circle Game: Off of a CD called "Folk Music For Kids", this is a duet sung by 2 children, which raises the question of whether it makes sense to have kids singing a song about watching kids grow up. They do a fine job with it though. 16. Davy Graham - Both Sides Now: Here's the medallion-piece of this CD to me...mostly because this one is hard to find, and well worth the hunt! Anything BUT ho hum. About 7 minutes long, with a "Cotton Ave" like guitar intro, in a raga mode, then Davy breaks into a guitar lick EXACTLY like what Joni did in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" (this song was recorded in 1968) then the tempo picks up and it's an acoustic roller-coaster ride. Boy is it great!! There you have it, another fine entry into the never-ending saga that is the JMDL covers project. Coming up: how you can get a copy for your very own! Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Round Of Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:47:39 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #96 - More Grammy Whammies I guess if you're pretty, put "crap" on your eyelids and have Clive Davis backing you up, you can win five Grammys your first time at bat. It may be a good album (I really don't know), but I suspect ol' Clive has a lot to do with its success and accolades. I hadn't heard "Fallin'" before (like Joni I only occasionally FORCE myself to listen to pop radio), but I couldn't help thinking "What's all the fuss over this song about?". I (and perhaps only I) enjoyed John Stewart. He pokes fun at the music business, stardom, etc., and is a lot nicer to look at than Whoopi Goldberg (no offense, Whoopi Groupies...and I know Whoopi is an Oscar host, not a Grammy host, but whatever...) I was also impressed by Mary J. Blige, apparently an intelligent, powerful artist. Not such a great song she did, though. The Lady Marmalade extravaganza was almost sickening, until Patty saved it at the last moment. But being gay, I am genetically predisposed to believe that Patty could save anything, I can't help it (and I'm not even a fan of hers)...Have a nice weekend, everyone. Oh, by the way, here's another "six (or less) degrees of separation" thing: My mother used to work side-by-side as a hairdresser (or "beauty operator," as they were called then) in Dayton, OH, with the mother of Harley Allen, the bluegrass artist who won for OBWAT. Both beauticians were named Betty. Harley's dad, whom he mentioned during his short acceptance speech, was the late Red Allen, also a bluegrass artist. There, now you know.... Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #61 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?