From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 056 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: February 24 [les@jmdl.com] Underground Art ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Winter Lady, and Man From Mars, demo version... [Catherine McKay ] Re: HDCD's ["Mike Friedman" ] Re: Winter Lady, and Man From Mars, demo version... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: HDCD's [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Joni any music coming our way? ["Paul Headon" ] Re: Joni any music coming our way? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Wednesday's Grammy Show, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] joni in film [Murphycopy@aol.com] joni in poetry [Murphycopy@aol.com] was briefs/now alison putting out olympic flame [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni in poetry NOW joni in song [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:24:04 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: February 24 On February 24 the following articles were published: 1977: "Furry Lewis is Furious at Joni" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/770224rs.cfm 1991: "Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/910224lat.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:57:23 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Underground Art Are there any art photographers on the jmdl? I know Joni has taken some brilliant shots in her time - I wish I could reach her to tell her about London Underground's current art photography programme - http://www.thetube.com/content/platformforart/ I think I've mentioned before that until I "gave up the day job" about 8 years ago, I worked at the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden publishing posters and books from their archives - and, at the time, always thought how great it would be if one of Joni's paintings could be commissioned by the Underground (it certainly would have brightened up my journey to and from work each day!). London Transport has a long history of commissioning top artists of the day to design art posters for their underground station walls - the subway system is often described as 'the biggest art gallery in the world' as several million people use it every day) and they've often employed top North American artists, including the likes of Edward McKnight Kauffer and Man Ray in the 1930s and 40s, to try and brighten it up a bit and help passengers pass the time while waiting for a train. I would love to see some Joni snaps today - as I wend my weary way. All the best PaulC (who still plays in the LT Museum staff's after-work blues band called 'The Relics') ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:55:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Winter Lady, and Man From Mars, demo version... - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Another thing on the tape was "Winter Lady", which > she wrote from the point > of view of a man -- which makes me wonder, did she > write it for Chuck > (Mitchell, her brief husband), or for Gordon > Lightfoot, who I believe was > their roommate for a while in Tornto or Detroit, I > forget. I would swear in > this version from '67, she sings sort of like Gordy, > same vibrato and > phrasing. Just wondering if anyone knows -- did he > ever sign a version of > this song, say in performance? Walt, if it has come up on the list, I must have been away that day. Funny you should mention it though - to me "Winter Lady" does have a very Lightfoot feel to it. If he didn't sing it, he should have. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:27:02 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: HDCD's Harry83house@aol.com wrote: > MILES OF AISLES was the (double) album that > first turned me on to Joni and I just love her and her guitar especially. My > questions are : Why was the audience "banter" removed the first time around? > Certainly it wasn't a time constraint. Maybe it was. As I recall, earlier CD technology allowed less minutes than they do now. > Are the other HDCD's marked > improvements over the initial releases sonically or just re-packaging? While there is some improvement on all titles, the most dramatic is on STAS and C&S. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:44:36 -0500 From: "Mike Friedman" Subject: Re: HDCD's Yes, it probably was a time constraint. The first CDs were 74 minutes, the later ones 80 minutes. (650 vs. 700 MB of data). I do really miss the "Paint a starry night again, man" comment that was on my old vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles.... :-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: HDCD's > Harry83house@aol.com wrote: > > > MILES OF AISLES was the (double) album that > > first turned me on to Joni and I just love her and her guitar especially. My > > questions are : Why was the audience "banter" removed the first time around? > > Certainly it wasn't a time constraint. > > Maybe it was. As I recall, earlier CD technology allowed less minutes > than they do now. > > > Are the other HDCD's marked > > improvements over the initial releases sonically or just re-packaging? > > While there is some improvement on all titles, the most dramatic > is on STAS and C&S. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:14:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Winter Lady, and Man From Mars, demo version... << A friend sent me a tape with some great stuff on it, including some very early Joni stuff -- a really giggly "Coke Commercial" thingy that apparently (with different words) became Ballerina Valerie, or did BV precede the Coke Commercial version?>> The way I hear it, she already had the song in her repitoire (sp) and adapted it with the Coke stuff just for a laugh and a fun show piece. << Another thing on the tape was "Winter Lady", which she wrote from the point of view of a man -- which makes me wonder, did she write it for Chuck (Mitchell, her brief husband), or for Gordon Lightfoot, who I believe was their roommate for a while in Tornto or Detroit, I forget. I would swear in this version from '67, she sings sort of like Gordy, same vibrato and phrasing. Just wondering if anyone knows -- did he ever sign a version of this song, say in performance? For that matter, did he or any man ever record the song?>> The only other recording I've heard is our own Gary Zack's. I've always found it interesting that Leonard Cohen also had a song titled "Winter Lady". I don't think she wrote it specifically for any one male voice, I think she hoped that many would record it and get her the "royalty pennies" she talks of on the tape. << Anyway, pity Joni didn't put the demo version on TtT. It's just better. IMHO. >> In everyone's opinion, I think...I like the TTT version all right but the GOMH version is a stunner. Bob NP: Something Extra, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:37:12 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: HDCD's But - this isn't exclusive to the HDCD release is it? The copy that I have (which I remember taking forever to get on special order in 1989/90) has the altered CD artwork but has the "paint a starry night again..." bit on it. Did some early CD versions omit this? Reuben >>Yes, it probably was a time constraint. The first CDs were 74 minutes, the later ones 80 minutes. (650 vs. 700 MB of data). I do really miss the "Paint a starry night again, man" comment that was on my old vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles.... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:10:18 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Joni any music coming our way? Hi, Does anybody know if Joni has any intention to release any more CDs, when will the much wanted Joni Mitchell tribute album be released and is there a track listing available. Any help gratefully received. Best Wishes, Paul Headon (Wales) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:31:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni any music coming our way? << Does anybody know if Joni has any intention to release any more CDs, when will the much wanted Joni Mitchell tribute album be released and is there a track listing available. >> Joni's latest CD, titled The Circle Game (last I heard) is forthcoming. I don't know that any schedule has been announced. Hopefully it will see the light of day this year. The record will consist of some of Joni's earlier songs, recorded with a full orchestra a la "Both Sides Now". Those of us who saw her on tour in 2000 got treated to (possibly) some of the new arrangements. As for the long-awaited tribute, I think that it may not ever appear. Reprise won't answer any messages about it. Elvis Costello stated that there may be some record-company quibbling going on behind the scenes. Anyway, last I knew this was the tracklisting for "A Case Of Joni": PM Dawn, bNight in the Cityb (already released as a single) Annie Lennox, bLadies of the Canyonb (already released) Stevie Wonder, bWoodstockb Janet Jackson, bBeat of Black Wingsb Duncan Sheik, bCourt and Sparkb kd lang, bHelp Meb (performed live for TNT tribute) Sarah McLachlan, bBlueb (already released) Elvis Costello, bEdith and the Kingpinb Chaka Khan, bHejirab (performed at Joni's Jazz) Etta James, bAmeliab Elton John, bFree Man In Parisb(performed live for TNT tribute) Bjork, bBoho Danceb Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, bBig Yellow Taxib Steely Dan, "Carey" Hope that helps, Paul. You can always check JoniMitchell.com & know that Jim will issue any updates when they occur. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:17:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Wednesday's Grammy Show, 100% JC http://grammy.aol.com/features/0224_mitchell.html Hey, there's this singer/songwriter named Joan who's lighting up the Grammy's Lifetime Acheivement Awards this year. Dunno if she'll appear on the awards program (Wednesday night, 8 PM EST on CBS) as her award will be presented in the pre-show. Lord knows they could drop in some video if the show runs "short". But then, when do award shows ever run short? The URL above includes a 60's era shot that I've never seen before from "the S. Chernikowski/Michael Ochs archive". (8PM EST on Wednesday is 1AM GMT on Thursday) As always, All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:06:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Perception is.... nothing. 100% JC the late Dave van Ronk, ~ October 1965 'Joni, you've really got groovy taste in clothes, why don't you become a fashion model?' http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/7702zz.cfm "... Joni Mitchell's overwhelming artistic genius is not surpassed by anyone in our time."  Howie Klein, ~ February 2002 Before becoming president of Joni Mitchell's record company, Reprise, Howie Klein was the host of one of America's first punk rock radio shows,"The Outcaste Hour" on KSAN in San Francisco.) http://grammy.aol.com/features/0224_mitchell.html All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:10:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Perception is.... nothing. 100% JC the late Dave van Ronk, ~ October 1965 'Joni, you've really got groovy taste in clothes, why don't you become a fashion model?' http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/7702zz.cfm "... Joni Mitchell's overwhelming artistic genius is not surpassed by anyone in our time."  Howie Klein, ~ February 2002 Before becoming president of Joni Mitchell's record company, Reprise, Howie Klein was the host of one of America's first punk rock radio shows,"The Outcaste Hour" on KSAN in San Francisco.) http://grammy.aol.com/features/0224_mitchell.html All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:31:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni in fiction - help me! The Joni in Fiction section of the JMDL is beginning to take shape thanks to your contributions. But as Joni says, "You know there may be more." So if you've seen any Joni references in whatever novels or short stories you've been reading, please let me know. Here's what we have so far: _The Association_, by Bentley Little _Hearts in Atlantis _, by Stephen King _The Hissing of the Silent Lonely Room (Christy Kennedy Mystery)_, by Paul Charles _Pool Boy_, by an unknown author (I have tried everything from Amazon to eBay to the Library of Congress to find this less than mediocre book which I read a couple of years ago and then gave away when I moved from RI. I have even checked Altavista, which gives you some pretty wild selections when you type "Pool Boy" into their search field. Recently, some JMDLers have enthusiastically pointed out how advanced my Alzheimer's has become when I've been confused about artists or titles, so maybe I am wrong about the title, and -- surprise! - I can't remember the author. But I know the book is by a writer who lived in Provincetown when it was published a couple of years ago, if that helps anyone remember what the title may be. The Joni reference in this book is about singing her songs at camp when the subject of the novel was a boy in the 1980s, I think.) _A Prayer for Owen Meany_, by John Irving _She's Come Undone_, by Wally Lamb _Speaking with the Angel_, edited by Nick Hornby _Who WIll Run the Frog Hospital?_, by Lorrie Moore Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:05:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni in fiction - help me! some of you may have heard of a novel called ''hopscotch'' [original title: ''rayuela''] by argentine writer julio cortazar. in another novel, ''libro de manuel'' [''manuel's book''] cortazar not only mentions joni mitchell several times, but he also writes a whole poem dedicated to her. julio cortazar is quite a heavy weight in international literature, so this was a major tribute to joni. the novel is very hard to get, and i had to burn my copy when the military took over and searched houses to fond ''subversive'' literature [don quijote de la mancha, for example]. but if whoever finds the book, maybe in spain or mexico, that person will find a lost gem. i remember that the main character in ''libro de manuel'' was eagerly awaiting the release of a joni mitchell album in paris [because of dates and stuff, i assume it was ''blue'']. his left-wing comrades made lots of fun of him because he was a Marxist that loved ''american'' music. later in the book, the poem to joni mitchell begins ''joni mitchell, american baby...'' i thought you might like to know this bit of trivia. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:11:36 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni in film Bob Muller has done a superb job of compiling a list of Joni's music used in films. Thanks, Bob! But there are also Joni references that aren't specifically about her music playing on the soundtrack. For example, Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks arguing about Joni in "You've Got Mail." Bob also e-mailed me about Tom Cruise and Penelope Cruz in "Vanilla Sky," viewing Joni's art. Plus a shot of 'Blue' in Cameron's Crowe's "Almost Famous." So if you have any Joni sightings at your next movie -- Herself, her art, black crows, or whatever -- please let me know. Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:11:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni in poetry Hell brought up another aspect of Joni being mentioned in the written word -- Joni in poetry. She sent me a poem by Paula Harris, a New Zealand poet. Have you seen Joni mentioned in poetry lately? Let me know. I don't read the stuff anymore! Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:14:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: was briefs/now alison putting out olympic flame Kate writes: << Well, it was amazing that Alison was able to leap from that ballon & scale the tower to do it... >> Must be all that clean SLC living. << (I hope that little Italian girl that was knocked over in the process is okay) I have heard reports that our Rose is A-OK and looking for a Jersey lawyer. >> << I know Jimmy misses his glory days. We ALL miss Jimmy's glory days. >> XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:54:40 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: joni in poetry NOW joni in song Anyone heard of this singer Espen Lind? his latest album has this opening song title: "Joni Mitchell on the Radio". Upon closer examination of the lyrics, the song was about a lazy day with thoughts ranging from food to missing someone, then: "... Joni Mitchell is on the radio.." This song reminds me so much of Suzanne Vega's "Tom Diner" where the character reminisced her lover while detailing all the movements of people around her: an objective correlative to her feelings. Haven't heard yet of Espen Lind but when I listened to all the songs in his latest, there's nothing to motivate me to buy it. Maybe except for that very brief Joni reference. Joseph (still watching THE GAME, which is like Amenabar's "Abre Los Ojos") > Hell brought up another aspect of Joni being mentioned in the written > word -- Joni in poetry. She sent me a poem by Paula Harris, a New > Zealand poet. > > Have you seen Joni mentioned in poetry lately? Let me know. I don't > read the stuff anymore! > > Thanks, > > --Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #56 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?