From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 045 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shake that fist, Ludwig! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Shake that fist, Ludwig! [Nuriel Tobias ] Joni titles in Library of Congress catalog [Deb Messling ] My Flexible Friends (Covers content - longish) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Chords to "I Don't Know Where I Stand" (content warning: long & somewhat technical) [BigWal] Joni's Guitars Soon up for Sale at Westwood Music? [Lindsay Moon ] Joni in fiction ["kerry" ] Kate & Jeff's gig tonight [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:05:44 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Shake that fist, Ludwig! Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >Although I have to wonder . . . how >disturbing would thunder be to a deaf man! Thunder, if it's loud enough, can cause vibrations in buildings and the ground itself that will certainly be felt even if not heard. But aside from this, very few deaf people are completely deaf, especially if they once were hearing and then went deaf, as Beethoven did. Most deaf people hear muted, muffled sounds, just as many blind people can see gradations of indistinct light. In an otherwise questionable biopic on Beethoven, IMMORTAL BELOVED, one thing I thought they did get right was the portrayal of his deafness (although obviously no one could know exactly what things sounded like to him). It was a very muffled and confusing swirl of sounds ... extremely disorienting to the viewer, not to mention to the subject. Nuriel Tobias wrote: >"Strike every chord that you feel" because you're deaf, >and to deaf ears there's no wrong chord. As I wrote recently in the discussion about musical literacy, music is in the head, and that's how Beethoven could continue to compose even though his ears couldn't fully receive the sound waves. So it's not that he could accept any chord because he couldn't hear it, but rather that Beethoven was an iconoclast who challenged traditional harmonic practice. If it "sounded" good to him in his head, if he felt it, then screw convention. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:59:37 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Shake that fist, Ludwig! FredNow@aol.com wrote: "Strike every chord that you feel" because you're deaf, and to deaf ears there's no wrong chord. "As I wrote recently in the discussion about musical literacy, music is in the head, and that's how Beethoven could continue to compose even though his ears couldn't fully receive the sound waves. So it's not that he could accept any chord because he couldn't hear it, but rather that Beethoven was an iconoclast who challenged traditional harmonic practice. If it "sounded" good to him in his head, if he felt it, then screw convention." Surely you didn't think i was talking about Beethoven striking the wrong chord, Fred? I was talking about "The person" in Joni's song. I fully understand your saying regarding "music is in the head". And in a way i agree. But as far as i know, deaf people, who were born deaf, didn't compose music (and if it happenes these days it's because rules to composing music in modern times are wide open). It all begins in HEARING music, then comes to composing. All great composers heard music, needless to say. Only then could they relate to notes on paper and "hear music in their heads". Beethoven wasn't happy at all when music turned into "a head thing" only for him. Do you think that if everyone in the whole world, both composers and listeners, could read notes and hear "head music" they wouldn't need ears? I don't. What if Joni went deaf, perish the thought? Do you think she'd have no idea what her music wuold sound like? Again, i don't. I'm sorry, but saying that music is in the head may be true, but it's a part of the whole truth - if there is any. Nuriel > >-Fred Simon _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:19:47 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni titles in Library of Congress catalog Any info on the folllowing disks that are retrieved under an author search for Joni Mitchell? Big Ball Spring Songs: live concert Possible source of covers: Full Eclipse Records presents Leo Collignon (BB and Holding CO. guy??) You Sing Joni Mitchell (Power of Cheese vol. II??) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:33:36 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in fiction In a message dated 12/02/02 04:05:55 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 10:12:36 -0800 > From: Tara Lindsay > Subject: Joni in fiction > > Hi, > > This is my first post on this list. I've been a fan of Joni Mitchell since > when I was > about ten and shared a room with my big sister who listened to Hejira > constantly. > Two books I read recently had Joni references - > The Hissing Of The Silent Room by Paul Charles > Who Will Run the Frog Hospital by Lorrie Moore > Hope this is what you were looking for. > > bye for now, > Tara (in Dublin,Ireland) > Hi Tara, It's good to hear from you. I visited Dublin for the first time a couple of weeks ago and thought it a lovely city. We stayed near St Stephens Green and met up with Garret who introduced us to one or two bars and told us a bit about the place. He told me Joni played Dublin in the early 80s. Don't suppose you were there were you? Anyway, I've never read either of the books you mention so I'll be putting them on my reading list! Nick Hornby's "About a Boy" is the only book I can think of with Joni content. They are making a film of it which will be interesting. Best wishes Jacky (in England) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:30:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's piano - cover art <> Michaelo, you're right - the piano pics are rare as hen's teeth. There's a guy who has a nice shot of her at the piano, he sells the pic on E-Bay, you can probably get it for 12-15 bucks. But then you'd have to be able to scan it and all. I'll shuffle through what I've got and see if I have something you can use. Bob NP: David Wilcox, "Johnny's Camaro" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:35:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni titles in Library of Congress catalog <> <> This was one of the Warner Brother's "Loss Leaders" sampler compilation records. I think "Chelsea Morning" is the selection on it, but don't hold me to that. <> This is a 2-LP vinyl bootleg of Joni's concert in Durham NC in '74. Incomplete and very poor sound. Hope that helps. Bob NP: David Wilcox, "East Asheville Hardware" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:08:47 -0000 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: CSNY article in Uncut This month's Uncut (Take 58, March 2002) magazine has a big article on CSNY in it. I haven't had a chance to read it all yet, but flicking through, I noticed there's a sub-article on Joni: LADIES OF THE CANYON - CSNY AND CUPID'S ARROW "We've cancelled a lot of studio time because of women troubles," said Graham Nash. "Women are the most important thing in the world, next to music." For the world's hardest-lovin' supergroup, it was sometimes a tough price to pay. Uncut checks out two marrow-thrilling chanteuses... Joni Mitchell Dumped by The Byrds in 1967, David Crosby set sail in his beloved 60ft schooner, The Mayan, for Coconut Grove, Florida to revisit the scenes of his folkie days. One night, he stepped into the Gaslight South coffee house. "When I walked into that coffee house in Florida, man," Crosby tells Uncut, "Joni was singing one of those songs, you know, like 'Michael From The Mountains', 'Both Sides Now', one of those songs. And it just slapped me up against the back wall. I didn't even try to take a seat, I just leaned back against the wall and looked at her. I'd never heard anybody that good, playing tunings like that. I didn't know anybody who could write songs that well or sing like that and I immediately had a crush on her as well. She's still probably the best singer/songwriter in the world. She's as a good a poet as Dylan is, and 10 times the musician he'll ever be. Far more sophisticated than Dylan." Crosby brought her back to Los Angeles with him, producing her debut LP, Song To A Seagull, and they became lovers. When Graham Nash was taken ill at Crosby's house, Joni took him home for some TLC and romance blossomed. Crosby, a subscriber to the hippy ethic of 'non-ownership', poured his love into his other squeeze, Christine Hinton. Nash and Mitchell's love nest at the foot of Lookout Mountain in Laurel Canyon was immortalised in the former's "Our House" (the theme for Halifax's TV ads). In turn, Joni wrote the Nash-bound love ditty, "Willy", in 1969. Although inspired by Christine Hinton, Crosby admitted that his "Guinnevere" was partly for Joni. He later described life with her as "like falling into a cement mixer. She's a very turbulent girl." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:27:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: My Flexible Friends (Covers content - longish) My never-ending search for Joni covers has given me lots of fun contacts. I mentioned a week or so ago about a German jazz trio named "My Flexible Friends". I was excited about their CD as they've done a cover of "You Dream Flat Tires", a Joni tune I love (I'm in the minority, I think), and the only YDFT cover I'm aware of! Anyway, thanks to Helga my interpreter, the CD is on its way...I asked Birgit (the vocalist) how they came to select this song to cover, here's her response which I thought some of might find enjoyable: "Let me tell you that we (my flexible friends) once were two musicians, the bass player and me, the voice. We made music together for some years with a jazzband and with a showband (Top 40 and (for us) horrible things like that, but good music often does not bring lots of money, you know...) One day we did one more soundcheck for a boring gig, and there was that incredible room in a museum where we had the gig, and the other musicians except the bassman and me weren4t ready. The bass player started to play some notes of another Joni Mitchell song called MOON AT THE WINDOW, and I began to sing, and it sounded so very strong and good, and we looked at each other and I think we both knew that we had found something new at this moment. It was a moment four years ago, and still we do that song on stage but we don4t have a good studio version . These days we play the song with our third man, the drummer, There are just 2 J.M. songs in our program, Joni is too unusual to cover lots of her songs, we tried to play her phantastic version of Goodbye Pork Pie H. but we almost despaired ... ... So I hope you will enjoy our music, it is a very good feeling to know that our little CD will be in the USA (WOW), all you will hear we did on our own without a label or a manager or a producer or anyone else, except the man who recorded the songs. Tell us if you like it, and even tell us if you don4t because we want to know why, I4m serious!" All I can say is I'm pretty jacked to hear it... Bob NP: Dylan, "Honest With Me" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:04:11 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Chords to "I Don't Know Where I Stand" (content warning: long & somewhat technical) Hi, all, This may the wrong place to post this -- please let me know if it should go to some other list at jmdl -- but I wanted, in the meantime, for it to have the broadest possible exposure, for feedback. Also: Howard, Marion, Steve - -- I don't have e-mail addresses for Sue McN. or Mark D., and I'd especially like to thank Sue for her transciption in the jmdl guitar tablasture database, without which I couldn't have gotten started -- I'd appreciate your feedback, if you have the time and patience to look over this transcription, and please ask Sue and Mark to contact me off-list if they wouldn't mind exchanging ideas and/or feedback from my musical ramblings. Yesterday was the first time I had the time to sit at a piano and, starting with a guitar tablature transcription for a song, work it out on the piano. (Just to make my life more difficult, I also transposed the song to a key I could, um, imitate singing in) I decided on IDKWIS partly because I've always loved the song, and the published PVG transcription really sucks, and I'm working on a project that would entail my getting it down. [If anyone's intrigued with my choice of key, it's partly to place the song in my spectacular one-third-of-an-octave singing range, but also (remembering our thread about synesthesia from some months back, Hell and Sherelle and several other people?) because the "flat" keys that I've used below give me impressions of various shades of blue, green and purple which seem appropriate to me for the song.] Anyhoo, using "@" for "flat" (e.g., B@ means B-flat), and using "9" loosely to mean "add 2" (so C9 could mean either C-D-E-G or C-E-G-D[octave]), here's what I got: Intro: E@dim/D@... D@sus4...2...4 D@9...2...4...D@9 (repeat) B@9... [B@9] Funny day, looking for laughter and [A@9] finding it there [B@9] Sunny day, braiding wildflowers and [A@m] leaves in my [A@m7/D@] hair [-->A@m6/D@] [G@9] Picked up a pencil and [G@m9] wrote I love you [D@9] in my finest hand [G@m9] I wanted to send it, but I [E@dim(7)] don't know where I [D@9] stand [D@sus4...2..4..D@9] I haven't worked out the "scat bridge" part yet, but I figure it's just a matter of time. I *really* welcome any feedback, and apologize again if this is the wrong venue. (Oh -- and does anyone know how to get a Mac to put out a "flat" sign, and while we're at it, a "natural" sign -- "sharp" is taken care of, of course.) My apologies to those for whom this stuff is as much fun as calculus, but I find working these things out are like solving a puzzle... or doing calculus (I was a math teacher in an earlier life) Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:33:52 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni's Guitars Soon up for Sale at Westwood Music? While searching Westwood Music's site for the correct spelling of Freddy Walecki's name (I'm transcribing the KCRW interview where Joni explains how she learned about the VG-8), I read through the "About Westwood Music" section. After several mentions of Joni (and a misspelling of Graham Nash's first name!), at the end they refer to a section called "store pals," which I was hoping would have a Joni picture or two (but I never found the section). I did find under "Collections" however, that Joni is shown as having 6 electric and acoustic guitars coming up for sale ... it says only "Coming Soon." Now *there* would be a purchase! Thought some of you might like to know. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:44:16 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Joni's Guitars Soon up for Sale at Westwood Music? Dear Lindsay: WOW!! I would love to have any one of those guitars. Like who would not? What a treasure to own something Joni made music on. Of course I would probably not be able to afford the insurance. What a great find Lindsay. Peace.....Sharon Lindsay Moon wrote: I did find under "Collections" however, that Joni is > shown as having 6 electric and acoustic guitars coming up for sale ... it > says only "Coming Soon." Now *there* would be a purchase! > > Thought some of you might like to know. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:32:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Chords to "I Don't Know Where I Stand" (content warning: long & somewhat technical) - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >(Oh -- and does anyone know how > to get a Mac to put out > a "flat" sign, and while we're at it, a "natural" > sign -- "sharp" is taken > care of, of course.) Funny you should ask. I can't find a way to do it on my PC either. All I can find is a "b" in some different typeface that looks KIND of like a flat sign (if you look at it cross-eyed and squinting, and you already know what it's supposed to be). I couldn't find anything in any of the "wingdings" either (but I gave up looking after a while, so maybe it's there somewhere.) I suppose you could use L7 for a natural, but that's a bit of a stretch. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:33:57 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Chords to "I Don't Know Where I Stand" (content warning: long & somewhat technical) Dear Walt, I don't know much about chords and such, but dear God, I love this song and the feeling it evokes. I've always been enamored of how it takes place over the course of 24 hours. How love has made her sleepless in California, so to speak. How she metaphorically finishes writing the song as the morning comes up. How it's innocent and hopeful, but still imbued with melancholy and longing. How the lone guitar (or restrained piano, I'm sure) compliments the lyrics's sentiments, perfectly And of course, the allusions are beautiful: "braiding wild-flowers and leaves in my hair," "crickets call courting their ladies in star-dappled green," "I wrote 'I love you' in my finest hand." I going play Clouds as soon as I get home. Thanks for mentioning this song. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:38:56 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Guitars Soon up for Sale at Westwood Music? This is exciting, but, didn't they tease us with this a couple of years ago? I seem to remember something (actually, very little). Here's the url: http://westwoodmusic.com/ Then hit 'collections'..you can see Dan Folgerbergs cool-lection including the incredibly rare Gretsch White Penguin...he has some kind of worn-out Strats that he seems to think are in mint condition. RR np; Persuasions version of Zappa's 'My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama'....more violence against women! Lindsay Moon wrote: > While searching Westwood Music's site > "Collections" however, that Joni is > shown as having 6 electric and acoustic guitars coming up for sale ... it > says only "Coming Soon." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:53:57 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Date In regards to the current Janis thread I was browsing some non Joni stuff tonight and came up with this info below. Les I am cpoying this to you for the performance page. Happy Mardi Gras Ya'll!! Paz NP-Carry Me-CSNY Acoustic Detroit 2/10/02 April 7, 1968 Big Brother with Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Joni Mitchell, Richie Havens, Paul Butterfield, and Elvin Bishop Wake for Martin Luther King, Jr. Generation, New York City ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:59:43 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni in fiction >This is my first post on this list. I've been a fan of Joni Mitchell since when I was >about ten and shared a room with my big sister who listened to Hejira constantly. Welcome to the list, Tara! I think quite a few of us found Joni through our big sisters! I had a similar experience to yours: I was fourteen and the album was "Blue." Kerry P.S. I like your email address! NP - Emmylou Harris, "Orphan Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:12:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Kate & Jeff's gig tonight Kate & Jeff made their NYC debut at The Living Room tonight. They were awesome and well received by a full living room. They sold lots of CD's and the hat was full of cash LOL! I thought we were gonna need a NYC cop to escort them back to their hotel. I've got two slices of pepperoni pizza left here for anyone one who wants them. A nice show of JMDLers were there to help cheer them on. Cagno, me, Debra Shea and Barbara (aka naturegirl) Hi Barb! LOL Love you guys, gnite, Rose ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #45 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?