From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #30 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 030 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: January 28 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment [colin ] Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 ["J.David ] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 [SCJoniGuy] Joni's astrological chart ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: rhythm of falling snow ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 [FMYFL@aol] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 [SCJoniGuy] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 ["J.David ] Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Cheh-Roo-See Maw-Roo-Ning (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Why I like "Jewel", sjc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Three Verbs After 'Sun'? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Why no Christine McVie? [Abbymusique@aol.com] Thanks! [joemezz@yahoo.com] Re: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... ["Kakki" Subject: Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > > In many > > > ways Juliet is pretty ordinary, > > > > when did you last se an optician? > > I've only seen her in that film and I thought she was > kind of androgynous-looking at first - oh well. I think she is beautiful. > > > But, I do have really crappy eyesight and was recently > diagnosed with a cataract, so maybe that explains it. Oh dear that is not good news at all. Are you going to have it operated on? From what i understand it is quick and easy and restores the sight right away. good luck. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:23:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... I've seen a lot here about Joni's relationship with JT, but not much about her fling with Jackson Browne. Maybe I've just missed it. Here's a bit I stumbled on today that I found interesting, since we were playing the "who's it about" game with Trouble Child...its an excerpt from "Jackson Browne - The Story of a Hold Out" by Rich Wiseman, this is from Chapter 5" "About the time Browne was forging his partnership with Lindley, a relationship of a different kind was coming to a reportedly painful close for him: his romance with Joni Mitchell. Browne had not been publicly forthcoming on details of his relationship with Mitchell when they were doing well together (Meltzer claims that Browne requested that he not mention Mitchell by name in his article, even though, Meltzer asserts, "he spoke about Joni...the way he spoke about Nico: 'Lucky me. I've got another wonderful, beautiful, creative person. I can't believe it"'). When their relationship was on the skids he was tight-lipped even with old friend Steve Noonan. Explains Noonan, who had kept in periodic contact with Browne despite the fact that he had married and moved up north near Santa Cruz in 1970: "I remember saying to Jackson, 'Gee, tell me about Joni Mitchell,' and him saying, 'I don't want to talk about it."' Pamela Polland, in touch with both Browne and Mitchell at the time, describes the relationship as seemingly ideal for Jackson but, in fact, ultimately overwhelming: "With Joni it was again the thing where she embodied all the things that he was in the process of developing. He was also in the process of developing them, but she was ahead of him. She'd certainly been involved in the music business longer. She had a more deep-rooted awareness of the business...a popularity that couldn't be denied, that is attractive in itself; and a strong devotion to her own artistry. And I think that he---whether it be conscious or subconscious---felt that there would be a lot of mutual creativity that they could do. "Unfortunately it became conflicting. And then, beyond the conflict, the even more unfortunate thing is that it became too heavy for Jackson to be with someone who was so much more prolific than he. She was creative in so many ways, and it came out of her so easily, that to face his own struggle with his craft, his own slowness with his craft---to have those two mirrored against each other---I think was very painful for him." Like Jackson, Mitchell has never commented on their relationship in an interview. In her songwriting of that period, however, she may have had her say. In "Lesson in Survival," on her For the Roses LP released in the fall of 1972, she tells her "sweet tumbleweed" how the close scrutiny from his friends crimps her free-spirited style, how she yearns for quiet, flowing times together with him. Her anxiety over their relationship, meanwhile, reveals itself during a visit with a friend, when she turns, suddenly, into "heavy company." When he heard the song guitarist Albert Lee couldn't help but flash back to the time he'd used that particular term with them...and Joni Mitchell's reaction: "She giggled and said, 'Oh, that's a good line!"' Further, Lee comments, "I just got the impression from that song that she was writing about their visit to my house...[and that] she was talking about her relationship with him." Bob NP: Patrick Simmons, "If You Want A Little Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:57:08 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 > No, David, Greg was playing the acoustic while Joni sang with no instrument > in hand.> It sounds to me as if Greg is on pedal steel - perhaps the guitar I hear is Klein's bass. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:02:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 <> Well...let me think...it might have been Chris Botti on the acoustic guitar, actually. Or maybe it was just Greg on the steel and Joni. Somebody else who was in Atlanta for that '98 birthday show jump in and bail me out here! :~) Bob NP: Doobies, "Eyes Of Silver" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:20:18 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's astrological chart I made a scan of Joni's chart for anyone interested. It's only a solar chart since the exact time of birth is unknown. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:34:04 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: rhythm of falling snow 'Listen, strains of Benny Goodman comin through the snow and the pine wood trees...' - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:26 PM To: JMDL Subject: rhythm of falling snow The rhythm of Joni's guitar in Hejira is the rhythm of snow falling. Of course you all know this. Mark E. Looking out my window at floating flakes... 'as snow gathers like bolts of lace waltzing on a ballroom/bridal girl....' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:10:11 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 In a message dated 1/28/2002 1:04:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Well...let me think...it might have been Chris Botti on the acoustic guitar, > actually. Or maybe it was just Greg on the steel and Joni. Somebody else > who was in Atlanta for that '98 birthday show jump in and bail me out here! > :~) > Well Bob, since IVPaul and Marsha Doyle won't bail you out :~), I'll put in my two cents since I was there. I thought Greg stayed on the steel most of the time and Chris was on the horn. Even though I had my elbows on the stage for the first three songs, I had to go back to my nose bleed seats for the rest of the show. Maybe Chris did grab an acoustic guitar and I didn't see it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 <> You were the drunk that was heckling Joni, right? :~P This extra encore song was a real shocker...I expected her to close with Woodstock like she had done with all of her other shows, so my head was spinning to begin with! My ol' memory is playing tricks on me. Bob NP: The Doors, "Been Down So Long" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:59:57 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 >I'll put in my two cents since I was there. I thought Greg stayed on the steel most of the time and Chris was on the horn.> well maybe someone can listen to it and make an educated guess (: it might not even be a guitar i hear peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:09:11 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) Hi, Howard and Marian, You've both sent mer good musical advice in the past, and I was just surfing through the guitar database, and although I'm some sort of pianist, I can make sense of the tablature -- not least because you've explained it so well. A very big thanks to both of you for all the work you do! I'm trying to teach myself to play piano directly from tablature arrangements - -- I can already sort of do it from chord names and make up my own "arrangements" that differ from the published ones -- but your tablatures for songs like "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" which are very much guitar songs, give so much more information than the published piano arrangements, some of which are oversimplified and/or hard to find now (although that may change if she ever puts out her "Complete" Books -- any news on that?). And I have yet to make a dent in all the songs available. Thanks again, and keep up the good work! Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:33:08 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Cheh-Roo-See Maw-Roo-Ning (sjc) Hi, Bob -- From the article in the database re: the Clintons' visit to China and "Clinton's Leading China's Army Band": "One of its numbers was a swinging version of Joni Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning" set to traditional Chinese instruments with a solo on the suona, a small horn. " Good heavens, Bob -- do you have this one yet??!! Smiling, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:18:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Why I like "Jewel", sjc Well, a little JC, as you will see. The other day, on a music program called "The World Cafe", host David Dye asked Jewel what she had done since the last tour, approx 2 years ago. He asked her to talk about acting and complimented her on getting good reviews. She thanked him and said that beside the acting, she had written and edited a book, and created a non-profit foundation. She made herself an employee of the non-profit, so when she tours a lot, she feels good about the fact that the money is going to good use. She recruited her Mom to head up the foundation. David Dye asked her about how she's able to create on so many different fronts. Jewel said, "Well, basically, I'm a farmer of creativity. I rotate my crops. After a tour, I do something else to stay active. If the writing dries up for a time, I do something else." I just smiled. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:05:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? OF FECKING COURSE!! THANK YOU! Twenty *years* I am listening to this album and I never heard it that well! I always heard "the gold endive" and wondered why she was eating bad lettuce? Please excuse my MG moment. (Hey, MG!) But seriously, James Leahy, that is a nice bit of scholarship, there. Thanks. Jim L'Hommedieu From: James Leahy >>Watching three rings in the sun The golden dive, the fatted flake And sizzle in the [their?] mink oil In the DJRD songbook there is a period after 'sun.' The vinyl fold-out does not include a period; nor does the Complete Poems & Lyrics. At one point I thought that the three grammatical constructions after 'three rings' were 'dive', 'flake', and 'sizzle' and that they were all nouns and that they were all examples of the 'rings'. But now I think they are three verbs with two subjects: "The golden dive. The fatted flake and sizzle in their mink oil. - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:42:25 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Why no Christine McVie? One of you guys said that you've heard of a reunion of the four for an album without Christine McVie. Anyone know why? By the way, when I watched their concert that they did a few years back on T.V., I sensed some weird vibes coming from Christine towards the others. Did anyone else pick up on that? She seemed as if she was pissed off at somebody, and I didn't really enjoy her much during that concert. Maybe she's sick of the bunch, especially watching Stevie and Lindsey practically rekindle their old romance while singing "Landslide". Abbymusique ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:17:36 -0500 From: joemezz@yahoo.com Subject: Thanks! THANKS for all the replies re: the BOB MARLEY/JONI MITCHELL EMMY TRIBUTE VIDEO that I was trying to find. I now have a copy on the way. THANKS VERY COOL! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:37:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... Bob, This is a nice find. Last night I was going through the Crosby bio, the CSNY bio and the Jimmy Webb songwriting book to try to see where I might have read the reference to Crosby and Trouble Child. Unfortunately none of those books have subject indexes so I had to search and read through quite a bit of the Joni parts. Gave up trying to find the reference but I was really marveling at how some of Joni's best autobiographical material is found in these books but not found in the bios written of her. She was interviewed at good length for all the books mentioned above and there are details I have seen nowhere else, unlike some of her interviews where she does tend to repeat some of the same yarns (I don't mean that as a criticism - think she just wants to be consistent in her stories. The book on Jackson you cite is another good example of great Joni background and insight. I especially like this part: > In "Lesson in Survival," on her For the Roses LP released in the fall of 1972, she tells her "sweet tumbleweed" how the >close scrutiny from his friends crimps her free-spirited style, how she yearns for quiet, flowing times together with him. Her >anxiety over their relationship, meanwhile, reveals itself during a visit with a friend, when she turns, suddenly, into "heavy >company." When he heard the song guitarist Albert Lee couldn't help but flash back to the time he'd used that particular >term with them...and Joni Mitchell's reaction: "She giggled and said, 'Oh, that's a good line!"' Further, Lee comments, "I just >got the impression from that song that she was writing about their visit to my house...[and that] she was talking about her >relationship with him." Another Joni song that said just exactly what I've felt at times in relationships. The first time I heard it - it went straight through my heart. Interesting that it Albert Lee inspired some of the lyrics! He has played with just about everyone and was on hand at the Walecki benefit here a couple years ago, backing up Emmylou Harris and a few others. In the early days he played with the Everly Brothers and when he moved on was replaced by the up and coming Lindsay Buckingham ;-) As for Crosby and Trouble Child, I seem to recall we did talk about it here awhile ago and that there was other input on it. Maybe I'll find the reference eventually. For years, I thought she was talking about herself. However, learning about his experiences from around that time in the various bios, the lyrics really do correlate. Crosby's life was turbulent for many years after the tragic death of his girlfriend Christine Hinton. The drugs got to be full time and there were the usual groups of parasitic hanger-ons around him partaking of his "largesse" and helping to enable his slow destruction. I imagine Joni trying to talk some tough love to him, like an old friend, in these lines: "They open and close you, then they talk like they know you, they don't know you, they're friends and they're foes, too" "So why does it come as such a shock to know you really have no one, only a river of changing faces, looking for an ocean." "It's really hard to talk sense to you - Trouble child - Breaking like the waves at Malibu." Thanks for the choice find! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #30 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?