From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #26 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 026 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: January 24 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Wedding Bell Blues ["hell" ] Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni's outfit ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni and Astrology ["Laurent Olszer" ] Fred Simon on E-Bay! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bee-you-tea-full ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Joni Images [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bee-you-tea-full ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fred Simon on E-Bay! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Wedding Bell Blues ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My 1 and only concert experience ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Joni Images ["J.David Sapp" ] I Want All I Want ["William Waddell" ] Re: I Want All I Want ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Joni Images [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni Images ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Joni Images ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni Images [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Dog Eat Dog! ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Joni Images [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Fred Simon on E-Bay! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni Images [AsharaJM@aol.com] The Whiny White Kids ["William Waddell" ] DJRD [KLCass21@aol.com] PS to The Whiny White Kids ["William Waddell" ] Re: Joni and Astrology [Thomas Monroe ] Re: just about fell off my feet ["William Waddell" ] Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] RE: joni images ["mike pritchard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:04:54 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 24 On January 24 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Today's Los Angeles Times "Tops in Pops" chart shows, under "National Albums", that Miles of Aisles is #3 on the Billboard charts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:28:46 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Wedding Bell Blues Bob wrote: > Hell, to me the difference is that in "All I Want" SHE'S saying > that the relationship is fine without the official paperwork. (Even > though she says 'we', she's the one doing the thinking here. In > Willy, she's referencing what HE is saying, and apparantly he's > saying that the relationship can't be real unless they get > married. So I don't see the lyrics as conflicting, more like a > "she said - he said" scenario. This discussion has been pretty interesting - I love when I start these things! Thanks to everyone who's responded so far. I do agree with you for the most part, Bob, and Mark certainly mentioned quite a few other songs which have a similar feel to them as My Old Man. The reason I specifically raised the question with Willy, is that I hear a kind of wistful quality to the song, in both the lyrics, and the way she sings them. I know she was probably "soured" to the whole idea of marriage after her break-up with Chuck, but I hear a kind of longing in her voice on this one. Maybe it's just that HE is the one saying he doesn't want marriage (Graham Nash had just left a marriage too), instead of her, ie. the control is taken away from her this time - she's not calling the shots! But then we're also assuming all these songs are auto-biographical, which may not be the case at all! I don't know the answer, but I love hearing all the theories! Hell NP: Stevie Nicks (who has a GREAT voice!) - I Miss You ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:33:43 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar In a message dated 1/23/2002 10:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Yeah, really, what's up with that? Surely she could > get one of the minions to tune for her? Maybe it was > her new toy and she was trying it out? I'd like to > hear some of those songs done on acoustic - I wonder > whether that'll happen? It's my understanding that the reason she uses the very light electric guitar is because it's easier for her to play. I believe it's because the post-polio syndrome she has makes it difficult for her to play a regular acoustic. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:03:04 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Joni's outfit I think they are strictly meant for > petite, stick-thin Audrey Hepburn types and no one else. If you have the > tiniest curve they will not work. I imagine Joni cannot resist them, > however. I know the feeling of having half a closet full of clothes I fell > in love with that were never meant for my body type, too! > > Kakki > You're 100% right. Congrats on your fashion analysis. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:56:45 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni and Astrology Tom wrote: > Some of the topics I am interested in are; Joni and > astrology if that isn't too far off topic. I know > Joni was born in the year of the goat/ram according to > Chinese astrolgy Hi Tom, Years ago I purchased a book of celebrities' astrological charts because Joni's was in it. Being no expert, I showed it to an older astrologer friend of mine who had never heard of Joni. This friend said: "no wonder you're so attracted to her, she's got all these arts planets". She also said, I think the english word is "unfathomable". What she meant is no man could ever hold on to her for ever. This was in 85 and you know history proved my friend right. I guess that's when I gave up on the (crazy) idea of marrying Joni! Anyway, should anyone be interested in Joni's chart just send your fax # or mailing address. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:31:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Fred Simon on E-Bay! Hey Fred, congrats - you've made the big time! :~) At least the seller is putting a nice price tag on it... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1506043751 Bob NP: King's Road, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:54:12 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Bee-you-tea-full hi everyone, Has anyone seen that huge coffee table type photography book filled with beautiful photos of different women all over the world? I was recently in a book store in Northampton, MA (called Beyond Words) and began to flip thru it, well about 3/4th's of the way thru came across this BEAUTIFUL photo of Joni, a full 2 page spread, and NO she most definitely did NOT look like a couch! :) She had on a dark dress and was seated on a stone fountain which was set in a lush dark green garden. I won't go into too much detail, but I was wondering if anyone has this book or has also seen it? If people are curious I guess I could always call the store to find out. I loved that picture, but then again I'm the one who romanticized the imfamous Miyaki dress too. Trust me on this one though. Take care, Erica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:55:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images <> And howzabout that next line: "The rapist in the pool" Does anybody know if that's based on something specific, or what she's implying by that? Or is it just to be taken literally? I've heard of people having consensual sex in a pool, but rape? Bob NP: The Rhythm Method, "Free Man In Paris" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:32:22 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full If our Joan wore the dress there must be something about it? (Or maybe, it was a freebie from the designer?) I showed the picture to my sister who knows fashion. Her expression was comical,she said something like "Oh my gawd!!, she looks like a big sausage!" Erica, I'm sure it looked better from afar. (Ashara's pixs were just a little too intimate) Next time I'm in Borders, I'll check that book out. Bree >hi everyone, > >Has anyone seen that huge coffee table type photography book filled with >beautiful photos of different women all over the world? I was recently in a >book store in Northampton, MA (called Beyond Words) and began to flip thru >it, well about 3/4th's of the way thru came across this BEAUTIFUL photo of >Joni, a full 2 page spread, and NO she most definitely did NOT look like a >couch! :) She had on a dark dress and was seated on a stone fountain which >was set in a lush dark green garden. I won't go into too much detail, but I >was wondering if anyone has this book or has also seen it? If people are >curious I guess I could always call the store to find out. I loved that >picture, but then again I'm the one who romanticized the imfamous Miyaki >dress too. Trust me on this one though. >Take care, Erica > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Fred Simon on E-Bay! Bob writes: > Hey Fred, congrats - you've made the big time! :~) > > At least the seller is putting a nice price tag on it... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1506043751 Hey isn't that Fred's eBay sellers name? Just kidding Fred :~D For any newbies, Fred's CD "Songs Of My Youth" is one of my favorites. He does a fantastic job on "Both Sides Now" "For Free" and "Michael From Mountains" as well as the non Joni songs on his album. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:52:20 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Wedding Bell Blues I remember reading somewhere that Graham Nash wanted a stay- at- home wife. Of course, this could never be with Joni. (One would listen only to Hejira (released several years after they split)her restlessness pervades that album ....... the road gives her freedom.........) Bree NP:Tears For Fears......Head Over Heels (always) > >Bob wrote: > > > Hell, to me the difference is that in "All I Want" SHE'S saying > > that the relationship is fine without the official paperwork. (Even > > though she says 'we', she's the one doing the thinking here. In > > Willy, she's referencing what HE is saying, and apparantly he's > > saying that the relationship can't be real unless they get > > married. So I don't see the lyrics as conflicting, more like a > > "she said - he said" scenario. > >This discussion has been pretty interesting - I love when I start these >things! Thanks to everyone who's responded so far. > >I do agree with you for the most part, Bob, and Mark certainly mentioned >quite a few other songs which have a similar feel to them as My Old Man. >The reason I specifically raised the question with Willy, is that I hear a >kind of wistful quality to the song, in both the lyrics, and the way she >sings them. I know she was probably "soured" to the whole idea of marriage >after her break-up with Chuck, but I hear a kind of longing in her voice on >this one. Maybe it's just that HE is the one saying he doesn't want >marriage (Graham Nash had just left a marriage too), instead of her, ie. >the >control is taken away from her this time - she's not calling the shots! > >But then we're also assuming all these songs are auto-biographical, which >may not be the case at all! > >I don't know the answer, but I love hearing all the theories! > >Hell > >NP: Stevie Nicks (who has a GREAT voice!) - I Miss You >____________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be >great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > >hell@ihug.co.nz >Hell's Personal Photo Page: >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > >Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: >http://www.nbls.co.nz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:15:11 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience Yes,my fashion, in the know sister, relayed to me basically what you wrote. To pull off a dress like that your body type must be super, super slim. It added pounds to Joni. (the colors are gorgeous though.. just the wrong material) Bree >I finally figured out the Miyake thing and why Joni can't help herself. >Went to an after-holidays sale and found two racks of Miyake "casual" wear >in the $300-$600 price range. On the hanger, these pieces are really >special and very hard to resist. They are works of art as Joni says. So I >couldn't help but take a little pleated organdy blouse and crumpled jacket >into the dressing room, all ready to blow my Christmas bonus. Alas, once >they go on they do not flatter at all. I think they are strictly meant for >petite, stick-thin Audrey Hepburn types and no one else. If you have the >tiniest curve they will not work. I imagine Joni cannot resist them, >however. I know the feeling of having half a closet full of clothes I fell >in love with that were never meant for my body type, too! > >Kakki > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:47:50 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Update on accomodations for Jonifest Well, it looks like this year is going to be the biggest and best ever for Jonifest!!! Everyone is excited and ready to have a great time in the Catskills!!! At this point, all the rooms are taken with the exception of a few beds that are still waiting for a roommate. So, if you are interested in these, please let me know right away. There are still plenty of camping spaces left, and some options down the road in other inns, etc. If you choose to stay in another accomodation, there will be a "per day" charge, which will include meals. I will be taking names for a waiting list also, as there always seems to be some last minute cancellations. If you haven't sent your deposit yet, please do so right away. If you are paying by check, please remember to make the checks payable to Ashara Productions, LLC. Thanks! Also.......... only 22 more days until the dealine of February 14th for the Jonifest Logo Contest! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:53:02 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar I thought Walt was referring to her guitar sounding "muddy" on the video...PWWM? Bree > >Catherine wrote of DJRD; > >Me too. Me so-o-o too! Hey babe you got the LP sides spot on as well. When >it was first released as a double album, it seemed a rip-off what with a >maximum of three songs a side. Little did I know almost a quarter of a >century later I'd be cherishing the original vinyl coz it just breathes at >me, unlike most of the techno enhanced offerings of today. Oddly enough >I've >just read Walt's post about the guitar on TTT and yes. It has always had >something I couldn't quite explain. It lacks a clarity. Is there any >musical/sound advantage for Joni using this instrument in the studio? >Surely >she has time to retune between takes - ha! >WtS _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:13:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar <> He had to have been talking about TTT because he mentioned Man From Mars which wasn't on PWWAM. And for the record, I agree with the take on the guitars being muddy. Her MFM from the (recalled) Grace of My Heart Soundtrack is WAY superior. Bob NP: Sato Nanaco, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:57 -0800 From: " Russell Bowden" Subject: DJRD/DED Gang, I must say once again that DJRD was a number one hit from the first time I played those 2 LPs. It has always been a flawless work, in my opinion. DED had been at the bottom of the pile ('cept for Shiny Toys...great dance tune)....I'm glad to report that in the last year I've gained a great appreciation for it....I'm happy to say that with DED rising on my Joni chart....there are none of her recordings under 6 (1-10 scale..10 being highest) At worst (blasphemy) she is still above average!! I can only have so many very best favorite JM albums...some of them just get pushed down due to the volume of output. I can't help it. Forgive me. Love, Russ in San Francisco - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:40:17 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Joni Images here are 3 distinct and vivid portraits of NYC- Heatwaves on the runway As the wheels set down He takes his baggage off the carousel He takes a taxi into town Yellow schools of taxi fishes Jonah in a ticking whale Caught up at the light in the fishnet windows Of Bloomingdale's Watching those high fashion girls Skinny black models with raven curls Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes Looking for the chic and the fancy to buy - -------------- The cars and buses bustled thru the bedlam of the day I looked thru window-glass at streets and Nathan grumbled at the grey I saw an aging cripple selling Superman balloons The city grated thru chrome-plate The clock struck slowly half-past-noon Thru the tunnel tiled and turning Into daylight once again I am escaping Once again goodbye To symphonies and dirty trees With parks and plastic clothes The ghostly garden grows - -------------- Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning And the first thing that I saw Was the sun through yellow curtains And a rainbow on the wall Blue, red, green and gold to welcome you Crimson crystal beads to beckon Oh, won't you stay We'll put on the day There's a sun show every second Now the curtain opens on a portrait of today And the streets are paved with passersby And pigeons fly And papers lie Waiting to blow away peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:48:59 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: I Want All I Want I often wonder what the point is of me being on this damned discussion line. It's so stressful. No sooner had I thought I was slowly getting up to date with the covers and Bob writes; I have so much catching up to do!! Bob, off line, could you give me a rough guestimate as to how much it would cost to get a copy of every audio and visualio you have. I'll have the $$$$$$$ ready by the JoniFest, but I'm not specifiying which year. Big Willy Bird dragging its tail in the dust ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:41:44 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: I Want All I Want I second you Willy! I can not stand it anymore. Should we make a deposit in your name to a Swiss account? How much Bob? Love and peace.......Sharon NP: Gillian Welch Everything Is Free (I know I know) William Waddell wrote: > > I often wonder what the point is of me being on this damned discussion line. > It's so stressful. No sooner had I thought I was slowly getting up to date > with the covers and Bob writes; > > I have so much catching up to do!! Bob, off line, could you give me a rough > guestimate as to how much it would cost to get a copy of every audio and > visualio you have. I'll have the $$$$$$$ ready by the JoniFest, but I'm not > specifiying which year. > Big Willy Bird dragging its tail in the dust ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:53:14 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) In a message dated 1/23/02 5:41:52 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: << Well Walt, since "Nothing Can Be Done" is on NRH, you wouldn't have noticed anything strange about CMIARS! LOL! >> Oops! I do that all the time -- only with those two albums, though. Not sure why I get just those two mixed up... Maybe the sound to some extent, and the somewhat layed-back attitude, compared to sterner, angrier approaches on earlier DED or later TI? Blushing, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:02:33 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Grove=20Dictionary=20of=20Music=20and=20Musician s?= I don't know whether this has been posted before. It is the Joni Mitchell entry from the captioned organ. Pretty honest entry. It was obviously added quite soon after TI Quote: Mitchell, Joni [Anderson, Roberta Joan] (b Macleod [now Fort Macleod], AB, 7 Nov 1943). Canadian singer-songwriter. After a childhood in Canada and brief study at art college in Calgary in 1963, she moved via Toronto and Detroit to New York, where she recorded her first album at the age of 25. Largely using voice and acoustic guitar alone, her first two albums, Joni Mitchell (Song to a Seagull) (Reprise, 1968) and Clouds (Reprise, 1969), are characterized by the then-current folk style (modal harmony and mystic lyrics). Her own mature style was established by the early 1970s and demonstrates a visual imagination, a precise sense of place and landscape, and an ability to attain a deep and personal lyric. The album Blue (Reprise, 1971) illustrates her instrumental prowess, harmonic surety and profound lyric sense. Her voice, best heard on ?A Case of You?, is especially notable for its variety, from a rich lower register to a remarkable upper range. From Court and Spark (Asylum, 1974) to Mingus (Asylum, 1979) Mitchell combined a rhythmically liberating and freer use of voice with an exploration of jazz harmony, which reached its peak on Hejira (Asylum, 1976). By this point it was evident that Mitchell was under-represented in American rock journalism in relation to her output and critical rating. A change of label accompanied her into the 1980s, and her sound followed the 1980s shift into drum technology and a sense of production: her dialogues with Wayne Shorter on soprano saxophone provide the best examples from this period. She has continued to address urgent political themes, maintained lyrical depth and also taken on settings of Yeats, as in Slouching Towards Bethlehem (1991), and the Book of Job in The Sire of Sorrow (1994). As a Canadian singer-songwriter emerging during the 1960s she introduced singular and important insistences: to the deep relation of lyric to landscape and the pictorial, to questions concerning personal freedom and responsibility from a female perspective. She has also taken an innovative approach, particularly in relating the potential for musical advance in song with the improvisatory basis of jazz. In range she is one of the few singer-songwriters to have matched Dylan; nevertheless her albums of the 1980s are marred by the intrusiveness of production, a problem for much popular music at the time. Her more recent album Turbulent Indigo (Reprise, 1994) returns to earlier points of reference with an older and darker voice. BIBLIOGRAPHY L. Fleischer: Joni Mitchell: her Lives, her Loves, her Music (London, 1976) W. Mellers: ?White Seagull, Black Highwaywoman, Red Squaw: Joni Mitchell?, Angels of the Night: Popular Female Singers of Our Time (Oxford, 1986), 141?68 B. Hinton: Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now (London, 1996) Unquote. ~Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:03:53 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni=2C=20Monet=20and=20Tom=20Cruise?= From the review for Vanilla Sky, the new Tom Cruise movie in this week's London Time Out. Quote: Claude Monet and Joni Mitchell hang side by side on the wall. There are Godard posters in the bedroom, and a larger than life vanity portrait dominates the drawing room...No, it's probably not a good sign when you find yourself reflecting on the art decoration in a Tom Cruise movie. Unquote Anybody seen the film? What is the painting? ~Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:04:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Mixed-up songs <> Dunno, but don't feel badly dude. I get the songs on DED & CMIARS crossed up myself sometimes. But I see a real delineation between NRH & CMIARS, where NRH is a return to form of Joni re-establishing control of her projects and her sound. Even though "Nothing Can Be Done" is basically a Klein song, it seems more at home on NRH than it would on CMIARS. Bob NP: Dishwalla, "Miss Emma Peel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:17:47 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images The vivid Joni image for me is "Edith and the Kingpin" "The big man arrives Disco dancers greet him Plainclothes cops greet him Small town, big man, fresh lipstick glistening" Just graduating from college, coming back to my small Florida town and the disco craze was in high gear. The only place to dance was an ABC Liquor Store/ Lounge. There was one "big man" who wore a white "John Travolta" suit. It was obvious to all that he was *the* kingpin of the town, and he always had a girl hanging on each arm. "His eyes hold Edith His left hand holds his right What does that hand desire That he grips it so tight" Of course there was always an Edith at the ABC lounge, and the other girls envied her so. (whoever the Edith of the night was). We all knew what the Kingpin had and what made him so popular. Anyway, I was one of the "square" people wearing my peach colored double knit pants with a matching Nik Nik shirt and a puka shell necklace. I stood in the corner waiting for the next line dance to start. I don't know what the Kingpin and Edith did in his bed, but at the ABC Lounge my eyes were always on *them*. Now THAT'S a vivid Joni image for me, that I experienced! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:24:25 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Monet and Tom Cruise In a message dated 1/24/2002 3:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, pyramus@lineone.net writes: > Anybody seen the film? What is the painting? > > ~Kevin > Kevin, check out JM.com. Jim has put info on the movie and the two Joni paintings. You can even click on the "Edmondton" and "The Ice Offering" paintings to view them. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:34:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images Great post, Jimmy! Now do I believe it, or wait for the "just kidding" follow-up? ;~) I think dancing in the ABC store could get rather expensive if you did a twirl and knocked over a rack of bottles. Not to mention that Paz would break into tears seeing all that liquor spilled on the floor. And speaking of Edith & The Kingpin images, the song was obviously the inspiration for this painting: http://www.art-network.co.uk/banca/portland/vettrian/pasipic3.htm#pic16 Bob, the kingpin of spilled alcohol at Jonifests! ;~) NP: John Doe, "A Matter of Degrees" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:58:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Images Wow Bob, however did you find this? The painting has both a 40s and 90s feel to it but it sure "ain't no disco!" I want to know what a Nik Nik shirt is, Jimmy. Even with the peach double knits, the puka shell necklace would have been all it took to make me want to dance with you over the Travoltan Kingpin ;-) Kakki > And speaking of Edith & The Kingpin >images, the song was obviously the inspiration >for this painting: > > http://www.art-network.co.uk/banca/portland/vettrian/pasipic3.htm#pic16 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:03:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images <> Believe me, I've spent many hours on Google using Joni's song titles as the search. (All here at work, of course, so I can call myself a paid researcher) ;~) You're spot on about the style of this painting - I'm no expert, but I know art deco when I see it! And one thing I've discovered is that Joni's music, and perhaps the fact that she's a well-known visual artist as well, has inspired other visual artists as well. Besides this EATK painting, I've seen sculpture of Geese in flight titled "Urge For Going" and paintings titled "Chelsea Morning"! And you know there may be more... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:45:49 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Joni Images I second that Kakki, puka shells get me hot. db (i should get out more) - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:58 PM To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; FMYFL@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni Images Wow Bob, however did you find this? The painting has both a 40s and 90s feel to it but it sure "ain't no disco!" I want to know what a Nik Nik shirt is, Jimmy. Even with the peach double knits, the puka shell necklace would have been all it took to make me want to dance with you over the Travoltan Kingpin ;-) Kakki > And speaking of Edith & The Kingpin >images, the song was obviously the inspiration >for this painting: > > http://www.art-network.co.uk/banca/portland/vettrian/pasipic3.htm#pic16 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:11:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Images Oh yes, I forgot about the Google images search which is very cool! > You're spot on about the style of this painting >- I'm no expert, but I know art deco when I >see it! I swear the scene looks like Phillip Marlowe meeting surreptiously with Nancy Drew! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:35:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images In a message dated 1/24/2002 4:05:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > And one thing I've discovered is that Joni's music, and perhaps the fact > that she's a well-known visual artist as well, has inspired other visual > artists as well. Besides this EATK painting, I've seen sculpture of Geese > in flight titled "Urge For Going" and paintings titled "Chelsea Morning"! > It was a great site Bob, and I love "google search" too! As for the painter that did EATK, I see that he did one called "Shades of Scarlett" so maybe he is inspired by Joni (even though he left the Conquering part out). and just to clarify a few things: 1) No Bob, I wasn't kidding about my EATK disco experience. FWIW, Most ABC stores had disco lounges in back of the store, complete with revolving bar. (of course in S.C., all you have are distilleries) :~) 2) Bob you weren't "Bob, the kingpin of spilled alcohol at Jonifests! ;~)" it was more like Bob, the King Cobra of spilled alcohol at Jonifests :~) 3). Kakki, a Nik Nik was a brand name for those polyester shirts back in '77, and you know I'll always dance with you too! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:41:42 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog! I can dig those sentiments Victor. The same thing is happening to me with Turbulent Indigo. Have played it countless times and it left me empty. Now, it is taking me places that I am enjoying. Mack > I would like to announce that I want to officially join the Dog Eat Dog > Appreciation Society. I've had it on vinyl for years and never really paid > much attention to it but this past few days I've been playing it over and > over. I don't why it's clicking so much now. For some reason, I'm really > digging everything. It all sounds so perfect. I find it very grounding. > > Victor > > NP: Ethiopia > > > > > > --- Johnson Victor > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:49:18 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Joni Images Jimmy wrote: > It was a great site Bob, and I love "google search" too! > As for the painter that did EATK, I see that he did one called "Shades of > Scarlett" so maybe he is inspired by Joni (even though he left the Conquering > part out). > > I should be working (but this is more fun)! On on the last page of this site, there's also a painting entitled "A Woman Must Have Everything" also the last line from SOSC, and another called "Sweet Bird Of Youth" which could also be Joni inspired! These paintings have a kind of "Norman Rockwell" feel to me, although the subject matter is slightly different! > 3). Kakki, a Nik Nik was a brand name for those polyester shirts back in > '77, and you know I'll always dance with you too! What?! My fiance dancing with other women, I thought I was the only one? OK, that's it, the wedding is off. Hell - now cancelling the cake and the caterers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:50:02 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Fred Simon on E-Bay! Thanks guys. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. But thanks for your nice endorsement Jimmy, real glad you're digging it. - -Fred ><< Hey Fred, congrats - you've made the big time! :~) > >At least the seller is putting a nice price tag on it... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1506043751 >> > > >Hey isn't that Fred's eBay sellers name? >Just kidding Fred :~D >For any newbies, Fred's CD "Songs Of My Youth" is one of my favorites. > He does a fantastic job on "Both Sides Now" "For Free" and "Michael >From Mountains" as well as the non Joni songs on his album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:19:39 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Images In a message dated 1/24/2002 4:54:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > What?! My fiance dancing with other women, I thought I was the only one? > OK, > that's it, the wedding is off. > > Hell - now cancelling the cake and the > caterers > Too late. The Jonifest wedding of 2002 is already planned. Hugs, Mama Yente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:56:01 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: The Whiny White Kids Bree wrote; As far as this TTT "muddy" guitar thread goes, you know I might as well have been refering to "PWWM" too actually. I caught the PWWAM show on BRAVO only last summer and as excited as I was to watch it for the first time, it never really got me saying to myself, let's watch this again; paint a starry night again man - sorry! Now maybe if I were the Mixons I'd be whistling a different tune, (haven't heard from youz in an age!). Anyhoo, shown on BRAVO around the same time, the Rickie Lee Jones' performance circa POP POP got me rewinding to replay more than PWWAM. I think that the TTT guitar sound will date the album fairly quickly. IMHO. I just dunno what to make of Tiger Bones. Nice but not Paprika P nice. Better included than omitted mind you. Have a great weekend y'all. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:03:18 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: DJRD HI Recent discussion of The Tenth World prompted me to revisit DJRD. The title track is amazing. I think "Behind my bolt locked door/the eagle and the serpent are at war in me/the serpent fighting for blind desire/the eagle for clarity/what strange prizes these battles bring/these hectic joys - these weary blues/puffed up and strutting when I think I win/down and shaken when I think I lose" is incredibly insightful. Her choral work after "man to woman/scales to feathers/you and I" is thrilling. The song rocks! Otis and Marlena is my other fave on this album. Joni's delivery of the lines "watches the streetlights fade away", "they dream of golden beauty" and "watching three rings in the sun" create incredible peaks in the story. I can't get this tune out of my head (not that I want to)! Please - someone tell me what "three rings in the sun" refers to? Is it a reference to one of the cartoons or reruns Otis finds on the tube? I can't figure it out. I hope I'm not opening up another "notches liberation doll" here! Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:20:02 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: PS to The Whiny White Kids Just a quick postscript to the last rant. What was the objective behind releasing Tiger Bones? Showing off the machine? Shakey Willy Bones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full Hello. Sometimes the way a person see's themself in the mirror is quite different than how they look on camera or to others. How clothes feel on you is an important aspect in how you see yourself as well. If you feel comfortable, you might think it looks good as well. Only my 2 cents. Having said that though, I really don't care what she wears. A gunny sack would be fine. :) I hope she doesn't judge me by my clothes. Tom - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > If our Joan wore the dress there must be something > about it? (Or maybe, it > was a freebie from the designer?) I showed the > picture to my sister who > knows fashion. Her expression was comical,she said > something like "Oh my > gawd!!, she looks like a big sausage!" Erica, I'm > sure it looked better > from afar. (Ashara's pixs were just a little too > intimate) Next time I'm > in Borders, I'll check that book out. > > Bree Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Re: Joni and Astrology Well I have to ask...did you ever get the chance to propose. You are not the first person I've heard of or known that wanted to marry her. While on the subject of astrology, how about numerology. Anyone ever figured out Joni's numbers. I'm a one. A taurus goat one with a leo rising to be exact. A real problem to himself and others. :) Tom - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Tom wrote: > > > Some of the topics I am interested in are; Joni > and > > astrology if that isn't too far off topic. I know > > Joni was born in the year of the goat/ram > according to > > Chinese astrolgy > > Hi Tom, > > Years ago I purchased a book of celebrities' > astrological charts because > Joni's was in it. > Being no expert, I showed it to an older astrologer > friend of mine who had > never heard of Joni. > This friend said: "no wonder you're so attracted to > her, she's got all these > arts planets". > She also said, I think the english word is > "unfathomable". What she meant > is no man could ever hold on to her for ever. This > was in 85 and you know > history proved my friend right. > I guess that's when I gave up on the (crazy) idea of > marrying Joni! > > Anyway, should anyone be interested in Joni's chart > just send your fax # or > mailing address. > > Laurent Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:34:34 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Re: just about fell off my feet Hey Tom! I enjoyed your post so much. I quote; A friend of spirit. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:20:05 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar I think ye all must have some kinda film or ear wax problem ;-) . Actually I think a more accurate description is that the guitars are heavily processed. Since she got the VG-8 she tends to lean towards a heavy chorus sound and lots of other effects available in the VG-8. It is NOT the fault of the processor, but the nature of the beast that programs one. It is NOT an acoustic guitar although it can be made to sound like one. I have many patches on the VG-8 than can be considered muddy (or overly processed) but then again I have many others that sound just like an acoustic with NO effects at all. Just ask the many people I have programmed for (John, Marion, Harlan, Bern, John Kelly, Chili, and Debbie). Paz (still sold on acoustic guitars but digging the VG-8) on 1/24/02 8:13 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < video...PWWM?>> > > He had to have been talking about TTT because he mentioned Man From Mars which > wasn't on PWWAM. And for the record, I agree with the take on the guitars > being muddy. Her MFM from the (recalled) Grace of My Heart Soundtrack is WAY > superior. > > Bob > > NP: Sato Nanaco, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:32:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Images the only whooping I ever g9ot was for braking a bottle of scotch. STILL brings tears to my eyes and I STILL hate scotch.. Paz ..she slips me a pill and she gets me pretty loaded on gin... R. Adams on 1/24/02 12:34 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Great post, Jimmy! Now do I believe it, or wait for the "just kidding" > follow-up? ;~) > > I think dancing in the ABC store could get rather expensive if you did a twirl > and knocked over a rack of bottles. Not to mention that Paz would break into > tears seeing all that liquor spilled on the floor. > > And speaking of Edith & The Kingpin images, the song was obviously the > inspiration for this painting: > > http://www.art-network.co.uk/banca/portland/vettrian/pasipic3.htm#pic16 > > Bob, the kingpin of spilled alcohol at Jonifests! ;~) > > NP: John Doe, "A Matter of Degrees" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:42:14 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... In a message dated 1/24/02 12:04:04 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << ... I get the songs on DED & CMIARS crossed up myself sometimes [this in kind response to my embarrassment over placing "Nothing Can Be Done" on CMIARS rather than on NRH]. But I see a real delineation between NRH & CMIARS, where NRH is a return to form of Joni re-establishing control of her projects and her sound. Even though "Nothing Can Be Done" is basically a Klein song, it seems more at home on NRH than it would on CMIARS.>> Hey, Bob, Nice line of thinking -- it got me thinking of the sequence from Mingus to TI. When JM talks about Mingus, she admits that after working through at least two albums of emphasis on rhythym and simplification of melody (Hejira and DJRD -- one of the reviewers cited in Luftig's "Companion" said something about JM squeezing more syllables into one line of melody than anyone else in history -- amusing, but possibly true), she went into melody and left the rhythm sorta adrift on purpose throughout Mingus (well, with the exception of "Dry Cleaner"). And then, of course, she strated the one album every three years thing, and the next one was WTRF. Which had melody and rhythm in spectacular, one might almost say dizzying, variety. Joni seemed to have recovered rhythm, but had slowed down the syllables-per-line thing. She'd also begun her decade-long experimentation / learning curve / whatever with technology. Was this just her next phase -- the shortening of lines with more electric-sounding stuff - -- or was it the first sign of LK's influence? And if the latter, was it necessarily all bad? She doesn't seem to think so, even in retrospect, as far as I've been able to determine. The other thing that I guess first showed up in WTRF was the call-and-response stuff with guest vocalists, which I guess some jmdlers also associate with/blame on LK. The tech stuff peaked out with DED, while the call-and-response thing peaked out with CMIARS. I see it as a gradual working out of the limits and a very gradual decision-making process, with some successes and a few clunkers. And I agree that by NRH, she seemed to be on the verge of having decided how much of each of the three experiments (techno, shorter lines, and call-and-response) to integrate into her style. It was the easiest of her albums to listen to in a long while, and still one of my favorites. And then with TI, she'd come full circle. She seems to have kept the shorter lines, used what aspects of the techno that she wants or needs, and more or less dropped the call-and-response thing. It was a long experiment, but if TI is the result, then I feel it was worthwhile. Thanks for letting me ramble, and I love to hear what everyone else thinks about all this. Thanks esp. to Bob, who got me thinking about all this... Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:35:59 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: joni images >>I've heard of people having consensual sex in a pool, but rape? Bob<< Surely the 'pool' here is the office 'pool', the 'typing pool', rather than a swimming pool? It follows on from the office naturally, I think. mike in Barcelona NP Costello, Girls, Girls, Girls ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #26 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?