From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 23 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 024 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: January 23 [les@jmdl.com] ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >> West Coast mini-Tour > TONIGHT! [Dharma Beetle ] re: don juans restless daughter ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My 1 and only concert experience ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My 1 and only concert experience [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: My 1 and only concert experience [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My 1 and only concert experience [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Wedding Bell Blues [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: don juans restless daughter ["Ron Greer" ] same old sacred cow [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: same old sacred cow ["Ron Greer" ] Re: just a little green [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] RE: same old sacred cow [Nuriel Tobias ] jimdle Delurking (kind of long) [Thomas Monroe ] RE: don juans restless daughter ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: just a little green [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: 57 Biscayne maybe in Canada ? ["brian symes" ] Re: just a little green [Susan Guzzi ] Re: My 1 and only concert experience [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:02:07 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 23 On January 23 the following article was published: 1999: "If You See Her, Say Hello" - Hotpress (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990123h.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dharma Beetle Subject: ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >> West Coast mini-Tour > TONIGHT! ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS Featuring: Alan Hertz (Garaj Mahal, KVHW) Drums & Skins Liam Hanrahan (Melvin Seals, Zero) Bass Tal Morris (Sons of Champlin) Guitars West Coast mini-Tour >>>> begins TONIGHT! WED 1/23 THE IGUANA  REDWAY, CA THU 1/24 SISKIYOU BREWPUB  ASHLAND, OR FRI 1/25 CHEERFUL TORTOISE  EUGENE, OR SAT 1/26 FEZ BALLROOM  PORTLAND, OR FRI 2/01 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA SAT 2/02 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA Here are some links: Alan Hertz & Friends on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=5480 OYSTER-HERTZ show review on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=1163 For over the past year, Alan has been leading an ensemble of musicians under his own name. The group, which has simply been called Alan Hertz & Friends, has featured a partially revolving cast of some of the finest musicians hand picked from the Bay Area music scene. Centered around the musical interplay between bassist Liam Hanrahan, guitarist Tal Morris and Alan on drums, this group has found its stride with a careening wash of colorful sonic textures, and spot-on, slippery yet virulent grooves. The group is rounded out this time around with special guest, DJ Ohdee on turntables, effects, and loops. Fans of Garaj Mahal & KVHW certainly know what's in store when Alan takes the stage... Look for a night of blazing musical exploration tempered with some rock-solid, all-night booty shakin'! BIO: In 1998, Alan began his involvement in a group that became known as KVHW. With it's blend of rock energy and a fiercely spirited, uplifting approach to group improvisation, combined with jazz, world, and rhythm & blues music, this group erupted onto the San Francisco Bay music scene. The genesis of this group came when two longtime collaborators Steve Kimock (Zero, The Other Ones, Phil & Friends) and Bobby Vega (Zero, Jefferson Starship, Quicksilver) put together a jam for a benefit show bringing in Frank Zappa alumnus Ray White and Alan. An enormous public outcry of support for this group soon followed. The group became popular as a nationally touring act throughout 1998-99.Unfortunately, things came to a close for KVHW in January of 2000. Presently, Alan spends his time as the drummer in yet another acclaimed musical project, Garaj Mahal. Featuring world renowned bassist Kai Eckhardt (John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Trilok Gurtu), Blue Note alumnus Fareed Haque on guitar and sitar-guitar (Sting, Joe Zawinul, Tony Williams), and Chicago-based keyboardist Eric Levy, this group has performed to enthusiastic audiences in the Northern California since it's inception over a year ago. In addition to performing with KVHW, Alan has performed with a very healthy list of musicians. These artists include Merl Saunders, Les Claypool (Primus, Oysterhead), Trey Anastasio (Phish, Oysterhead), Ike Willis (Frank Zappa), Chip Roland (Zero), Martin Fierro (Zero), Henry Kaiser (Yo Miles!), Michael Manring (Yo Miles!), and Primitive Medicine (with Michael Carabello of Santana, Kai Eckhardt, Sykuru, Kit Walker & tabla player Eman), and James Rotondi (Air, Mr. Bungle), among others. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:07:10 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Take 2 >--- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Erica and all.......I meant Don (not Don's) Juan's > > Reckless Daughter. Lack > > of sleep. > > Bree > > > >I can never remember whether the daughter is reckless, >wreckless or restless! Yeah,with Joni It could be all of the above. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:45:08 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: re: don juans restless daughter >Dreamland to follow it, it would be like getting woken >up suddenly with a slap or a glass of water in your >face, but Dreamland brings you back up out of the >trance and back into the waking world. Of course, if >the three songs *didn't* all come together on one side >of the 2-album LP version, that blows that whole >theory to hell and I'm not sure I even want to know >about it! > >I love this album, just love it. Your theory is intact. Your placement of the songs are correct. I have the vinyl right in front of me. I don't have the CD but was wondering if the pictures of Joni with the various sayings on the sleeves are included in the CD? "Mooslems Mooooslems! Heh, Heh, Heh" "Baila Mi Rumba" "In My Dreams We Fury" I like your take on it. Again,I'm having a late night.. it's after 4AM. After some rest I think I'll give the whole album a listen. I usually skip around a lot. It's been ages since I've heard it from start to finish. It's discussions such as these and I really do wonder sometimes if Joni is not all of this world. She confounds me and I'm amazed by her. Bree >______________________________________________________________________ >Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http: _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:54:41 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience >From: Murphycopy@aol.com >Reply-To: Murphycopy@aol.com >To: humbletiger@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:19:22 EST > >In a message dated 1/22/02 5:59:40 PM, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > ><< She glowed, literally! I think it was gold or red, but the dress seemed >more like a >thick guilded brush stroke that she wrapped around herself just moments >before. I remember one clear and definite thought that entered my mind was >that she truly is a priestess, magical and mysterious,simply beautiful. >> > >You go, Erica! Very nicely put. > > --Bob > >(Although I was there that night and I thought Joni looked like she was >wearing a couch!) JFOMCDCBOLTH:just fall off my computer desk chair because of laughing too hard. What the hell did her outfit look like? I have to know! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:57:14 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: just a little green hi >>>hell wrote >>>But I was thinking about some lyrics this morning, which might make an interesting discussion. In "My Old Man" she sings "We don't need no piece of paper, from the city hall" and yet in Willy, she sings "He says our love cannot be real, he cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells". These seem to be opposite statements to me.<<<< i always took the line in willy as reflecting his attitude to love & marriage, as opposed to being joni;s viewpoint. that he sees that the two do go together, but that hes now in this relationship which doesnt work like that. it is clearly a love relationship, but doesnt naturally lead to marriage, and because it doesnt fit into his framework, it cant be real, (even though it obviously is). it does alse seem tho that perhaps he is just using the not leading to marriage as an excuse for not comitting to the relationship because of his ancient injury. i do think that her attitude to marriage is pretty much summed up in "my old man" and again in "happiness is the best face lift" where she calls it "same old sacred cow" ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:46:26 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience I'm envious of you because I have not seen her since 76'. Also Erica, unlike you, I WAS NOT a fan the first time I saw her. I didn't even know what she looked like. I instantly became one though! :-) Great post! I think I'll pass on JINGLE BELLS. Bree (thanks) >Hi, I am going to share my one and only Joni concert experience with you >because of a request from Bree. Like most things in my life it is hard for >me to put into words exactly how and what I felt, BUT here it goes....... >The show was in Boston at the Pavilion, I think it was close to the end of >the Both Sides Now tour, but don't hold me to that. Being a HUGE fan and >never having attended a concert I was very curious to see fellow fanatics, >I >remember sitting near a sandwich stand and watching people walk by.....I >kept thinking....."I wonder when THEY first heard Joni", or " I wonder what >THEIR favorite album is", I felt oddly at home :) Our seats were in the >DEAD >LAST ROW! I was so envious of the elite firstrowers who probably could see >every fine line on her hands and smell sweet perfume as she walked across >the stage. But my envy instantly melted away the second she walked on >stage. >Tears of relief, joy, and wonder, welled in my eyes as a huge smile beamed >across my face, even from 40-50 rows back I felt the presence. She glowed, >literally! I think it was gold or red, but the dress seemed more like a >thick guilded brush stroke that she wrapped around herself just moments >before. I remember one clear and definite thought that entered my mind was >that she truly is a priestess, magical and mysterious,simply beautiful. >People kept yelling out "BLLLLUUUUEEEEE" at the top of their lungs, I would >have been happy if she had sung "Jingle bells", or "Space Cowboy", I was >just estatic to be there (even if I was closer to my car than to the >stage). >I lost my ticket stub that night but luckily got a program, I walked to the >T station in a reverb trance trying to replay everything in my head, to be >sure it would never be lost from my memory. I don't think the important >parts ever will. I loved that Joni seemed shy in one way but in another >ready with a grin to not take any crap from anybody! >So vicariously enjoy my little piece of Joni, from what I have read most of >you have dozens more live experience, but you will certainly be able to >relate to a one-timer like myself.I hope she tours again soon!! >Erica >"...go look at your eyes, they're full of moon......" > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:44:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: don juans restless daughter - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: I don't have the CD but > was wondering if the > pictures of Joni with the various sayings on the > sleeves are included in the > CD? "Mooslems Mooooslems! Heh, Heh, Heh" "Baila > Mi Rumba" "In My > Dreams We Fury" Yes, the sayings are there, but isn't it "In my dweams we fwy?" (Elmer Fudd style?) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:19:10 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience Erica wrote: <more like a >thick guilded brush stroke that she wrapped around herself just moments >before. I remember one clear and definite thought that entered my mind was that she truly is a priestess, magical and mysterious,simply beautiful. >> And Smurf replied: <<(Although I was there that night and I thought Joni looked like she was wearing a couch!)>> Bree said: <> Now me: I was there, at the stage taking pictures, and frankly I don't think it was the most flattering dress I've ever seen Joni wear. However, you can see the pictures from that night, and relive the concert, Erica, by going to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BSNTourReports/BostonBSNTourReport.html Are you in the Boston area, Erica? If so, where? The beauty of being in a community like this, is we all got together before the concert for dinner, then again after the concert to talk about how wonderful it was! We also have an annual "Jonifest" that has happened for the past 4 years at my house in Topsfield, on the North Shore. It's gotten so big that it's been moved to the Catskills! Check out past years by going to: www.jmdl.com click on Jonifests click on any of the New England Jonifests You should join us! It's a long weekend of getting together, lots of Joni music, etc. Lots of fun!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:22:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience <> She wore these awful Issey Miyake (Me - yucky!) dresses that were awful enough on their own, but given that Joni was sporting a little extra girth, they REALLY were unflattering. Or maybe the outfits just made her look chunky. If she had a real friend, they would not have let her go in public like that...where was Myrtle? "You're not going out dressed like THAT, are you?" ;~) Luckily, in Atlanta her look was a tad more tasteful. There are good pics of her in most of these Halloween costumes on JM.com. Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Wild West End" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:31:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience <> Well, Erica, should your memory ever fail you, that show was captured for perpetuity - on 2 CD's, or one tape. <> This is a wonderful summation of her throughout her whole life, Erica - what a concise & accurate description! Bob NP: Dire Straits, "East Bound Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:38:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wedding Bell Blues <> Hell, to me the difference is that in "All I Want" SHE'S saying that the relationship is fine without the official paperwork. (Even though she says 'we', she's the one doing the thinking here. In Willy, she's referencing what HE is saying, and apparantly he's saying that the relationship can't be real unless they get married. So I don't see the lyrics as conflicting, more like a "she said - he said" scenario. GREAT question!! You know I hate it when you lurk! ;~) Bob NP: Susan Webb, "A Case of You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:41:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) <> Well Walt, since "Nothing Can Be Done" is on NRH, you wouldn't have noticed anything strange about CMIARS! LOL! Or maybe you have a REAL collector's item! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:49:14 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: don juans restless daughter hi >>bree wrote > was wondering if the > pictures of Joni with the various sayings on the > sleeves are included in the > CD? "Mooslems Mooooslems! Heh, Heh, Heh" "Baila > Mi Rumba" "In My > Dreams We Fury" what is it with joni about muslims on this album? laughing(?) at them on the cover, and writing about them holding up washington while otis & marlena do their thing... the more i listen to this album, the more convinced i am that the title track is a classic of the stature of "amelia" and "shadows & light"..... ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:58:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: same old sacred cow <> I dunno Ron, that's Myrtle's phrase, I would say. Here's the lyric in context: ***I mean, after all, she (Myrtle) introduced us (Joni & Don Freed) Oh, but she regrets that now Shacked up downtown Making love without a license Same old sacred cow She said, "Did you come home to disgrace us?"*** I don't think Joni's attitude has changed from "All I Want" to "Facelift"; that being that love and marriage can be mutually exclusive, that you don't have to have one to have the other. The stigma towards the unlicensed relationship is Myrtle's sacred cow, not Joni's. Bob NP: Ian & Sylvia, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:19:55 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: same old sacred cow hi bob >>>I don't think Joni's attitude has changed from "All I Want" to "Facelift"; that being that love and marriage can be mutually exclusive, that you don't have to have one to have the other. <<< >>>The stigma towards the unlicensed relationship is Myrtle's sacred cow, not Joni's.<<< actually, thats exactly what i meant. myrtle sees the need for a license as being very important, joni disagrees & sees the desire for a license, or the license itself, as a sacred cow. ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:08:23 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: just a little green lately it sounds to me like ' Eeyore notches' but that is because i've been reading too much winnie the pooh with my granddaughter lately. heather At 07:11 PM 1/21/02 -0500, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/21/02 5:59:22 PM, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I was wondering if anyone would be up to letting me know (in as much >detail as desired) their take on "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". >> > >Oh, no! I can't get into the "your notches"/"you're notches" debate again so >soon! > >(Just kidding -- I'll be polite.) > >Welcome, Erica! > >We all just discussed this within the past month or so. It's always a subject >that brings out a lot of brilliant insight (ask Muller about "the 1:15") and, >in my opinion, a lot of less than brilliant insight. And the great thing is, >thanks to our wonderful Webmaster Les, you can go to the JMDL archives and >check out everything that's been said on the subject for the last couple of >years. What more could a Joni lover ask for? > >The JMDL is where I found out that the "copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie" in >"Electricty" is -- duh! -- a Canadian penny, among many other fun Joni facts. >Plus the people here are great. Have fun! > >Take care, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: same old sacred cow I think that the old sacred cow is Myrtel herself. The mother figure that is. The sacred cow that can even make Joni bow her head down and feel guilty. The song is strange. Myrtle must have seen Joni involved with more than few men in her life, it's not like she thought Joni was a nun, so why this fight? Joni's "homecoming", well myrtle shouldv'e been so proud, instead it's "did you come home to disgrace us?" - making it seem like a whore came to town, a daughter no one needs to know about. or "Snap out of it!" - that's a line that a real cold and heartless human would say to anyone in love. There's something very brutal in Myrtle that Joni tries to undersatnd and talk to "For God sakes, i'm middle aged, Mama..." - maybe because Joni's afraid to see that aging has done worse to her Mother's capability to see things clearly. From Joni to Myrtle to Don to the River in the song and more - the song is about aging and the face lift is in a way the gift that Joni brought to her aging Mother. Bob, you wrote: "I don't think Joni's attitude has changed from "All I Want" to "Facelift"; that being that love and marriage can be mutually exclusive, that you don't have to have one to have the other." << "Solid Love"'ll prove you wrong, Bob. Do you recall any other of her love songs with such an "Everything's so perfect" mood? I think one of the reasons i couldn't believe my ears when i first heard this WTRF song was that by then Joni had "convienced" me that for her it'll always be "meet-love-leave" case, and the song (others on WTRF also) even sounded faked. Well it's easy to say this song is about celebrating love. But i'd say - it's about celebrating when you're married. There's an amazing film by Derek Jarman where at one point a bride is tearing her wedding dress in a field and when she's done she looks at the sky and begins to dance. It remdins me of the "I had a king"-"Cactus tree" trip. The journey Joni had to take, from a forsaken bride married to the wrong man up to the "Solid Love" was amazing. The safe nest she found back then could only "become Joni" when i forced myself to remember what a long journey this bird had to fly in to find it. Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Hello fellow jimdles. My name is Tom Monroe. I'm a 46 year married father of one son. We live in Florida. I think I may have joined this list for a short period a few years back, but drifted away for some reason. I have much to discuss that pertains to Joni's music. I was once an aspiring musician and achieved moderate success as a bass player in comedy show and top 40 bands that I toured the country with in the mid and late 1970's. I began playing bass while in the Army in Alaska at the age of 19 and have been musically inclined since I was old enough to blow a harmonica. I've been aquinted with Joni since my older brother brought home a copy of Blue while on leave from the airforce. It was Christmas 1971. I was sixteen and the youngest son of a family of ten. My father had just died the year before after 3 years of being in a vegetative state caused by a massive stroke. Joni was just what I needed. She still is. Some of the topics I am interested in are; Joni and astrology if that isn't too far off topic. I know Joni was born in the year of the goat/ram according to Chinese astrolgy. I'm a goat as well, though 12 years younger. I've met other "goat" people who were die-hard Joni fans. Any goats here? I think Joni's music is heaven on earth for bass players. Any agreement on this? Also, I am a die-hard Jaco Pastorius fan, so when Hejira came along I just about fell off of my feet from happiness. Hejira is my favorite album and song. There is just something about the sweetness in her voice when she sings that song. It's almost as if the song tells it all for me. The bass line almost makes me want to cry, because it just fits so perfectly and is so beautiful. Refuge Of The Roads also hits close to home as I am a Floridian. I can't hear it enough. Again, the bass line just does something to me. All of the other songs on Hejira are masterpieces as well.(IMHO) BUT having said that I DO have a favorite album, does not mean that I don't love everything else (music and art) that she has done or will do. Blue was my fav until Hejira and still is when I really am blue. I currently have most of her music on CD. I have seen Joni in concert only once and that was in Dallas/Ft Worth in 1974. I was extremely ill from stomach flu the day of the concert, but went anyway. I sat all the way in the back row. She opened with You Turn Me On I'm a Radio. I fondly remember her telling a story of how she had knitted a sweater instead of just going out and buying one, but while she was knitting it she admitted to feeling guilty for not having carded and spun the wool herself. No one can talk like Joni. If anyone could tell me who the band was that she was touring with then I would love to know. I was not into names and such at the time. All that I can remember is that they were "HOT". I assume it must have been Tom Scott, but then again I don't actually know for sure. So, as you can tell, I am stuck on Joni. When people ask me who my favorite musician is I always tell them emphatically that if I had to listen to one persons music for the rest of my life, it would be Joni Mitchell's. And to Joni I would like to say; Thank you for all of the sacrifices that you have made in your life in order to be who you are, just to give to us what we so selfishly demand of you. I'm sure you would have made a lovely farmers wife and a loving mother should you have chosen to. We are so very lucky that you followed your heart instead, and gave us the music that you did. We are your children, and we love you. Tom Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:01:21 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: don juans restless daughter Listening to Kate's cd while typing this. It is good!! ROn,I agree the title track is a classic. What about the dress she is wearing on the cover? (would I love to bid on this) And the darling little boy.... cute little blond. Anybody know who he is? Not that it matters. Just curious? (it just hit me that cute little ashen blond would be in his early thirties now......times flies) Bree >hi > > > >>bree wrote > > was wondering if the > > pictures of Joni with the various sayings on the > > sleeves are included in the > > CD? "Mooslems Mooooslems! Heh, Heh, Heh" "Baila > > Mi Rumba" "In My > > Dreams We Fury" > > >what is it with joni about muslims on this album? > >laughing(?) at them on the cover, and writing about them holding up >washington while otis & marlena do their thing... > >the more i listen to this album, the more convinced i am that the title >track is a classic of the stature of "amelia" and "shadows & light"..... > > > >ron > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:15:29 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Don Juan's Long Winded Daughter, 100% JC Okay. I'm gonna defend "The Tenth World". I know this is a tall order and I may be biting off more than I can chew (in addition to mixing my metaphors). Like "Paprika Plains", "Overture/Cotton Ave.", and "Dreamland", Joni's stretching out a bit on "The Tenth World". I like the fact that these are not 3 minute 15 second ditties about teen love. These are not "singles". One of the advantages of the LP and CD is that playing times can be longer. A whole album of short songs is not always a good idea. [Some Kinks albums come to mind. :) ] Certianly there are different kinds of music and these long tracks have a different intent than "Goodbye baby Baby, goodbye. Oooh, love is blind." I love to hear her weaving a vocal in and out of the drums. "Trance music" like this takes some time to develop. Lots of time. It's a jam, like an Allman Brothers live track, or the Dead, or Paz and Chuck after hours. In addition, we get to hear her as a backing vocalist on her own album. Like Stevie Wonder, James Taylor and Stevie Nicks, Joni's a really great backing vocalist. Personally, I love call-response singing, and that's almost what I hear on "The Tenth World". If "Paprika Plains", "Overture/Cotton Ave.", "Dreamland", and "The Tenth World" had not been included, but we suddenly found them via the "underground", we would be estatic about finding the "lost tracks". Similarly, some say that the Beatles' white album would have been *better* if they had cut a few songs and given us a single disc. As Mick Jagger observed so long ago, 'Baby, I'm not one of those.' My two cents, Jim np: DJRD on Promo vinyl. Yessssss Garret said, >> The tenth world could be two or three minutes shorter and two or three times told better for it. Personally, i'm glad that it was included on what looks set to become a favourite album of mine! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:35:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: same old sacred cow <> Don't you get the feeling that in spite of all her successes, Joni still feels like she's let her Mom down by not having a "successful" marriage (as Myrtle would define it)? No matter how old we get, we're always trying to please our parents, especially if they haven't showered us in unconditional love. I think Joni got more of that from her Dad, and she craved it from Myrtle. See "Let the Wind Carry Me": Mama thinks she spoilt me Papa knows somehow he set me free Mama thinks she spoilt me rotten She blames herself But papa he blesses me It's a rough road to travel Mama let go now It's always called for me <> But not necessarily a Mother (albeit a judgemental one) talking to her daughter! "You've seen too many movies, Joni..." anyone who's had kids knows that they can tend to be melodramatic sometimes - I would guess Joni is that times 10 to her parents. <> Or that after all these years, her mother still cannot accept her for what she is and still wants to mold her in her image and on her terms. It's a brilliant song - not that I'm looking for Joni to be autobiographical, but this song about the universality of relationships rings so much truer than "No Apologies" where she tries to preach and judge. It just feels so much more sincere. I would hope she has more to share about between 'caught in the middle' at this stage in life, dealing with parents, children, even grandchildren. She's in a unique situation as a writer, and I don't think anybody could write about it more eloquently and intelligently than Joni. <<"Solid Love"'ll prove you wrong, Bob. >> Au contraire, Nuriel, I would say that Solid Love (and time) proves differently. Solid Love is about just that, not love & marriage. I think the song would have happened if they were lovers. I think she throws out the "let no one put asunder this solid love" almost as a playful jab at the marriage ceremony. And as history has it, they divorced, BUT the love she felt for Klein continues, as does the professional relationship. Only the legal relationship changed. Great post - great discussion! Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Portobello Belle" 6/19/81 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:49:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Welcome, Tom! As a southern man in his 40's, married with one son, who also rates Hejira as the best of the best (album & song), I feel like I'm talking to myself! :~) Anyway, thanks for the great intro...I'll address some of your questions: <> Not at all...Joni's very astrological, and many other jmdler's are as well. <> In '74 she was with Tom Scott & The LA Express. Yes, they were very hot and included: Joni Mitchell - Dulcimer, Guitar, Piano, Arranger, Composer, Keyboards, Vocals, Performer Robben Ford - Guitar, Guitar (Electric) Tom Scott - Clarinet, Saxophone, Wind, Reeds (Multiple), Woodwind Max Bennett - Bass John Guerin - Percussion, Drums Larry Nash - Piano I especially enjoy Ford's playing and Scott's. Tom Scott also did a nice cover of Woodstock, and Joni supplied some jazzy vocals to a couple LA Express records. She took them out on tour again in '76 when she was touring HOSL. Looking forward to lots more from you, Tom! Thanks for your "Monroe Doctrine"! :~) Bob NP (Now Playing): Dire Straits, "Angel of Mercy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:00:07 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Welcome Tom!! I'm a southerner too - from Houston, Texas. I share all of your sentiments here and look forward to hearing more from you! Hope you enjoy this list - i think you'll find it very interesting, especially once you get to know all the good people who are on it. If you haven't already, be sure to check out the "Jonifest" portion of the jmdl website. Attending Jonifest 2001 was one of the best things i've ever done. Again, welcome aboard! Donna Binkley - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Monroe Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:57 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Hello fellow jimdles. My name is Tom Monroe. I'm a 46 year married father of one son. We live in Florida. I think I may have joined this list for a short period a few years back, but drifted away for some reason. I have much to discuss that pertains to Joni's music. I was once an aspiring musician and achieved moderate success as a bass player in comedy show and top 40 bands that I toured the country with in the mid and late 1970's. I began playing bass while in the Army in Alaska at the age of 19 and have been musically inclined since I was old enough to blow a harmonica. I've been aquinted with Joni since my older brother brought home a copy of Blue while on leave from the airforce. It was Christmas 1971. I was sixteen and the youngest son of a family of ten. My father had just died the year before after 3 years of being in a vegetative state caused by a massive stroke. Joni was just what I needed. She still is. Some of the topics I am interested in are; Joni and astrology if that isn't too far off topic. I know Joni was born in the year of the goat/ram according to Chinese astrolgy. I'm a goat as well, though 12 years younger. I've met other "goat" people who were die-hard Joni fans. Any goats here? I think Joni's music is heaven on earth for bass players. Any agreement on this? Also, I am a die-hard Jaco Pastorius fan, so when Hejira came along I just about fell off of my feet from happiness. Hejira is my favorite album and song. There is just something about the sweetness in her voice when she sings that song. It's almost as if the song tells it all for me. The bass line almost makes me want to cry, because it just fits so perfectly and is so beautiful. Refuge Of The Roads also hits close to home as I am a Floridian. I can't hear it enough. Again, the bass line just does something to me. All of the other songs on Hejira are masterpieces as well.(IMHO) BUT having said that I DO have a favorite album, does not mean that I don't love everything else (music and art) that she has done or will do. Blue was my fav until Hejira and still is when I really am blue. I currently have most of her music on CD. I have seen Joni in concert only once and that was in Dallas/Ft Worth in 1974. I was extremely ill from stomach flu the day of the concert, but went anyway. I sat all the way in the back row. She opened with You Turn Me On I'm a Radio. I fondly remember her telling a story of how she had knitted a sweater instead of just going out and buying one, but while she was knitting it she admitted to feeling guilty for not having carded and spun the wool herself. No one can talk like Joni. If anyone could tell me who the band was that she was touring with then I would love to know. I was not into names and such at the time. All that I can remember is that they were "HOT". I assume it must have been Tom Scott, but then again I don't actually know for sure. So, as you can tell, I am stuck on Joni. When people ask me who my favorite musician is I always tell them emphatically that if I had to listen to one persons music for the rest of my life, it would be Joni Mitchell's. And to Joni I would like to say; Thank you for all of the sacrifices that you have made in your life in order to be who you are, just to give to us what we so selfishly demand of you. I'm sure you would have made a lovely farmers wife and a loving mother should you have chosen to. We are so very lucky that you followed your heart instead, and gave us the music that you did. We are your children, and we love you. Tom Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: just a little green Hello, I just wanted to chime in on this thread about Joni and her ambivalence about marriage within her lyrics. I pretty much agree with Mark E. and his theories and examples. Hell - I would add that even in "Willy" after the line about "he can not hear the chapel pealing silver bells" the very next line is "you know it's hard to tell when your in the spell, if it's wrong or if it's real." I think this once again states her own mistrust or suspicions about marriage. Like when she's in love this deeply, - is it wrong to think that marriage may be an option? She then goes on to say "but you're bound to lose if you let the blues, get you scared to feel" - so I think she allows herself to go there sometimes. But I think by the preponderance of of evidence contrary to that one line, that overall Joni's philosophy on marriage, is that she is not for it - for herself. I think some people enjoy the romanticism of the very idea of marriage, but they're just not well suited for it. Please note the term "preponderance" - I am out of work and watching a lot of court tv. Peace Susan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:34:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: just a little green <> I agree with you, Susan, and immediately this phrase, also from "Let The Wind Carry Me" came to mind: Sometimes I get that feeling And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody I get that strong longing And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody But it passes like the summer I'm a wild seed again Let the wind carry me <> So noted, and I'm duly impressed. The defense rests. ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:39:10 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Tom says: "I have seen Joni in concert only once and that was in Dallas/Ft Worth in 1974." Wow, I was at that concert too! If it's the one I'm thinking of, at the old Memorial Auditorium? (I also saw her in Austin sometime in the mid-70s, and what with time and brain cells lost to various substances, well I tend to blur the years a bit.) Since Joni hasn't made very many forays into the great state of Texas, I'm sure it was the same show. But, damn, you remember the details better than me. Welcome to this list. Great people here. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) Thanks for all the nice welcome wishes from you and everyone. I was stationed at Ft. Sill OK at the time of that concert and drove about 4 hours as I remember to get there. It had to have been before May of that year as that was when I left OK. I honestly can't remember the name of the hall, but it was a huge place with very nice seats much like a theatre. Very good acoustics for such a large room. I distinctly remeber the sweater story though, even with all of the lost brain cells of my own. ;) Tom - --- Sybil Skelton wrote: > Tom says: > "I have seen Joni in concert only once and that was > in Dallas/Ft Worth in > 1974." > > Wow, I was at that concert too! If it's the one I'm > thinking of, at the old > Memorial Auditorium? (I also saw her in Austin > sometime in the mid-70s, and > what with time and brain cells lost to various > substances, well I tend to > blur the years a bit.) Since Joni hasn't made very > many forays into the > great state of Texas, I'm sure it was the same show. > But, damn, you remember > the details better than me. > > Welcome to this list. Great people here. > > Sybil > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:00:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jimdle Delurking (kind of long) In a message dated 1/23/2002 1:02:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbonz@yahoo.com writes: > Hello fellow jimdles. My name is Tom Monroe. I'm a > 46 year married father of one son. We live in > Florida. Welcome to the JMDL Tom. Hejira is also my favorite song and album, I'm 46, live in Florida and people call me an old goat. Maybe you're my long lost twin. :~D This is the place to learn quite a bit about Joni (and Jaco too). Jimmy in Ft. Myers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:00:51 +0800 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: 57 Biscayne maybe in Canada ? I'm back with a educated quess , I spent my youth in Detroit on Grand River Ave. and Ontario / Lake Eire during the Summer. In Canada GM/Chevrolet labed cars with slightly different names different grilles and different engines .As a Detroit kid I could ID the make and year by just the glimps of a tail light. - -----Original Message----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:00:50 -0800 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: 57 Biscayne? > My brother, the car buff, (restorer of classic cars too) among other > things, informs me that there wasn't a '57 Biscayne. The Biscayne was a > notch below the Impala,price wise and the Biscayne came out in 1958. I'd > like to prove him wrong. :-) He kids me about MY JONI not being > perfect...........although concedes the poetic license of a songwriter. > > Bree > > NP:Brian Setzer,Since I Don't Have You > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: just a little green I wrote:>I think some people enjoy the romanticism >of the very idea of marriage, but they're >just not well suited for it. >> Bob Muller wrote:> I agree with you, Susan, and immediately this phrase, also from "Let> The Wind Carry Me" came to mind:> > Sometimes I get that feeling> And I want to settle> And raise a child up with somebody> I get that strong longing> And I want to settle> And raise a child up with somebody> But it passes like the summer> I'm a wild seed again> Let the wind carry meYou are exactly right Bob. Those lyrics may just be the most defining "argument" for the banter over Joni's ambivalence with marriage. I think Joni is very romantic and sometimes in that mode, we all try to embrace what might be the ultimate sacrifice you could make for a lover. In Joni's case that would be marriage. So I think she flirts with the idea sometimes. Ultimately, we know that although she may be married to that guy named "Art" she has had a life long affair with "freedom" as well.PeaceSusan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > She wore these awful Issey Miyake (Me - yucky!) > dresses that were awful enough on their own, but > given that Joni was sporting a little extra girth, > they REALLY were unflattering. Or maybe the outfits > just made her look chunky. If she had a real friend, > they would not have let her go in public like > that...where was Myrtle? "You're not going out > dressed like THAT, are you?" ;~) Myrtle and my mum must have been twins. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:50:32 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar Catherine wrote of DJRD; Me too. Me so-o-o too! Hey babe you got the LP sides spot on as well. When it was first released as a double album, it seemed a rip-off what with a maximum of three songs a side. Little did I know almost a quarter of a century later I'd be cherishing the original vinyl coz it just breathes at me, unlike most of the techno enhanced offerings of today. Oddly enough I've just read Walt's post about the guitar on TTT and yes. It has always had something I couldn't quite explain. It lacks a clarity. Is there any musical/sound advantage for Joni using this instrument in the studio? Surely she has time to retune between takes - ha! WtS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:38:49 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: My 1 and only concert experience Bob wrote: >She wore these awful Issey Miyake (Me - yucky!) dresses that were awful enough on their own, but given that Joni was sporting a >little extra girth, they REALLY were unflattering. Or maybe the outfits just made her look chunky. If she had a real friend, they >would not have let her go in public like that...where was Myrtle? "You're not going out dressed like THAT, are you?" ;~) Speaking of bad outfits, I had a Joni video fest over the weekend and was reminded of her scary outfits in "Shadows & Light" and "Refuge of the Roads!" eeeuuuuwwww! Kerry NP - Lucinda Williams - "Essence" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #24 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?