From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 23 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 023 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: just a little green ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: just a little green [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Take 2 ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Take 2/Refuge of the Roads [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: don juans restless daughter ["Garret" ] Re: Take 2 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Take 2 ["Bree Mcdonough" ] semi-lurking [anne@sandstrom.com] My 1 and only concert experience ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #33 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: just a little green ["Mark or Travis" ] notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Shawn Colvin's Not covering Joni on Cover Girl [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: don juans restless daughter ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) ["Mark or Travis" ] re: don juans restless daughter [Catherine McKay ] Re: Take 2 [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:29:05 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: just a little green Hi Erica,Wilkommen!! DITS is one of my favorites too. But also, if you would have mentioned any other Joni songs I would say this was my favorite too. It depends what mood I'm in. It's almost 3am in the morning and I should be in bed, but your post got me to thinkin.....so I had to put HOSL on. I don't know, DITS means different things to different people. I'm having Jack & Ginger ale so the song has very overt sexual connotations when I've had one too many. I love the guitar interlude in the middle. As someone mentioned a few posts ago....."one thing is for sure, there is a lot of drinking going on." You said you were introduced to Joni as a young ch8ld,I'm taking it that one or maybe both of your parents were Joni fans? Have you seen her in concert? Erica,THERE IS NO NORM. Whatever you want to express is fine. I think most of the people here feel pretty much the way I do that if you love Joan then you are alright in our book. ok? I even mentioned Ed Ames once and was only crucified by one person. One,Erica, one!! ;-) Well chime in when you feel like it. What Joni albums do you have? Take care, Bree everyone! >This is my first post on the JMDL.....I've been reading them for a couple >of >days and decided that it's time to dive in. I was introduced to Joni's >creative brillance as a young child but didn't bloom into the HUGE fan I am >today until my late teens (I'm now 28). I won't gush on and on about how >much I love her because obviously you all know what an incredible person >she >is or you wouldn't be part of this discussion list :) Anyway, one of my >FAVORITE things is to hear other people's ideas about Joni's lyrics, >soooooo >I was wondering if anyone would be up to letting me know (in as much detail >as desired) their take on "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". Personally, it >pulls >something out from deep inside me. Remember I'm just a little green at this >so if this type of post isn't the norm here please, "be polite" :)) >Hope to hear from you, Erica > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: just a little green <> Welcome, Erica! Thanks for the introduction! I WISH your type of post WAS the norm...I love lyric discussions, but I think I'm definitely in the minority. As has been mentioned, DITS gets a lot of talk and just made the rounds a while back. I was actually listening to a live version of it this morning, and thinking about how cryptic it is and how we've tried to decode it over the years. She says in her liner notes that it was written in the wee hours...one can probably also safely assume that mind-altering substances were at play. In general terms, I think the song is about the inner struggle of the female who is halfway into the feminist zeitgeist of the mid-70's but also into her own co-dependency on male relationships. Lots of historical references about male-female struggles, and lots of other things that a lot of us STILL don't get. But it's fun to talk about - that's why I signed up for the tour. Looking forward to more of your thoughts. Bob (Muller) NP: Mary Fahl, "Paolo" (thanks, Ashara!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:16:29 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: Take 2 ok, I flubbed my JMDL introduction with the suggestion of disecting DITS,:) so I thought I'd throw out an open invite for some other more experienced jimdle to pick a song that hasn't been put through the ringer lately. I'm open to it all, anyone up for it? maybe something off of FTR, Hejira, HOSL, really anything is fine with me :) hope everyone is well Erica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:15:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Take 2/Refuge of the Roads Erica, You mentioned the visual imagery in ROTR...now this song may not be as mysterious, but it IS certainly filled with striking images! When I first heard the song I was a mere stone's throw away from the Winn-Dixie on Six Forks Rd. that we shopped at, so that perked up my ears from the start. I've also loved the image of seeing the calendar in the service station with the picture of the Earth on it, and using it to put things in perspective. Musically, I love the last notes of Jaco's bass where he just takes it down, down, down...crank it up and listen to it sometime. I think the only time Joni's sung: "He drank & womanized" was on Hejira. Whenever she sang it live, she always sings "A drunk with sage's eyes". And on the '83 tour (the US shows anyway) she usually introduced it with a story about driving through Louisiana and seeing those Michaelangelo clouds. Joni always closes out an album with a particularly appropriate song, and I don't see where ROTR is an exception to the rule. Bob NP: Ani, "Grey" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:13 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: re: don juans restless daughter Ron, i finally got this album two weeks ago after much procrastination, and i too was utterly bowled over by Parprika Plains. I had only once heard this album, and that was in Chris Marshalls car late one night last summer, with the ever charming Steve Mitchell, in the passenger seat, duetting with Joni on every track:-) IT sort of passed over me, i knew that i enjoyed the album but i didn't really take it in. I loved Dreamland on S&L and knew that i had to hear the studio version. WOW!!! It's even better than i could have imagined! Paprika Plains reminded me why i love Joni so much. Lyrically, on this album, Joni is kicking even her own ass, it's superb. I have one main problem with DJRD and i don't know how to explain it properly. I'm tempted to say it sounds dated, but i know that's not what it is. There is some sound on some of the tracks that, well, irks me. Whatever it is, i'm not a fan of it. It is a small complaint in all honesty. Through reading about this album on the list i was convinced that the tenth world would be a disastrous piece of crap. I kind of like it. I'm not pretending that i *understand* it, i don't, nor can i see where it fits into the overall narrative of the album. This doesn't necessarily marr my enjoyment of it. There are many of Joni's songs i don't quite "get". Lsat week i had a moment of great insight while listening to FTR, i think i finally "got" the title track!!! I mean, i've read detailed discussions of this song on the list, but it just clicked last week. I've always enjoyed that track without really knowing what she was on about. Back to the tenth world; many people on the list said what you said Ron, but i do think you've got to admire her artistry and artistic integrity (ok, you didnt say you don't, i just wanted to point out that the song could be interpreted as a "f**K you" from Joni to all those that thought/think she should stay within her category of confessional singing songwriter, and if so, could be considered as one of her most important tracks [[just a suggestion]]). The tenth world could be two or three minutes shorter and two or three times told better for it. Personally, i'm glad that it was included on what looks set to become a favourite album of mine! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:53:59 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Take 2 Hi Erica, In your off list I see where you don't have in your Joni collection,"Night Ride Home" nor "Don's Juan's Reckless Daughter" GET THEM!! :-) They are a must. On NRH you have the title track and the haunting....Two Grey Rooms,a lot of visuals here. Oh.. and of course Passion Play which is cryptic. Passion Play has been discussed quite a bit. After you get NRH it would be interesting for your take on PP. I haven't listened to FTR in quite a long time. I'll give a listen and let you know my thoughts. You should share with everybody your joni concert experience. :-) Bree > >ok, I flubbed my JMDL introduction with the suggestion of disecting DITS,:) >so I thought I'd throw out an open invite for some other more experienced >jimdle to pick a song that hasn't been put through the ringer lately. I'm >open to it all, anyone up for it? maybe something off of FTR, Hejira, HOSL, >really anything is fine with me :) hope everyone is well >Erica > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:03:51 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Take 2 Erica and all.......I meant Don (not Don's) Juan's Reckless Daughter. Lack of sleep. Bree >From: "Bree Mcdonough" >Reply-To: "Bree Mcdonough" >To: humbletiger@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Take 2 >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:53:59 -0800 > >Hi Erica, > >In your off list I see where you don't have in your Joni collection,"Night >Ride Home" nor "Don's Juan's Reckless Daughter" GET THEM!! :-) They are >a must. On NRH you have the title track >and the haunting....Two Grey Rooms,a lot of visuals here. Oh.. and of >course Passion Play which is cryptic. Passion Play has been discussed >quite >a bit. After you get NRH it would be interesting for your take on PP. I >haven't listened to FTR in quite a long time. I'll give a listen and let >you know my thoughts. You should share with everybody your joni concert >experience. :-) > >Bree >> >>ok, I flubbed my JMDL introduction with the suggestion of disecting >>DITS,:) >>so I thought I'd throw out an open invite for some other more experienced >>jimdle to pick a song that hasn't been put through the ringer lately. I'm >>open to it all, anyone up for it? maybe something off of FTR, Hejira, >>HOSL, >>really anything is fine with me :) hope everyone is well >>Erica >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: semi-lurking Hmmm, just been lurking for a bit - actually I haven't kept up with my email... Anyway, Happy Birthday Allison!!! (and everyone else whose birthday I've missed...) Congratulations Gregg!!! And welcome, Erica! As for the Joni content - I missed the recent DITS discussion. I thought the line was "You're not just liberation, doll" until I read the lyrics. Did someone already suggest that? And, in a music related project I've been pursuing lately, every time I go to mail a package or get supplies, a Joni song plays in Staples. A good omen, I hope! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:53:08 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: My 1 and only concert experience Hi, I am going to share my one and only Joni concert experience with you because of a request from Bree. Like most things in my life it is hard for me to put into words exactly how and what I felt, BUT here it goes....... The show was in Boston at the Pavilion, I think it was close to the end of the Both Sides Now tour, but don't hold me to that. Being a HUGE fan and never having attended a concert I was very curious to see fellow fanatics, I remember sitting near a sandwich stand and watching people walk by.....I kept thinking....."I wonder when THEY first heard Joni", or " I wonder what THEIR favorite album is", I felt oddly at home :) Our seats were in the DEAD LAST ROW! I was so envious of the elite firstrowers who probably could see every fine line on her hands and smell sweet perfume as she walked across the stage. But my envy instantly melted away the second she walked on stage. Tears of relief, joy, and wonder, welled in my eyes as a huge smile beamed across my face, even from 40-50 rows back I felt the presence. She glowed, literally! I think it was gold or red, but the dress seemed more like a thick guilded brush stroke that she wrapped around herself just moments before. I remember one clear and definite thought that entered my mind was that she truly is a priestess, magical and mysterious,simply beautiful. People kept yelling out "BLLLLUUUUEEEEE" at the top of their lungs, I would have been happy if she had sung "Jingle bells", or "Space Cowboy", I was just estatic to be there (even if I was closer to my car than to the stage). I lost my ticket stub that night but luckily got a program, I walked to the T station in a reverb trance trying to replay everything in my head, to be sure it would never be lost from my memory. I don't think the important parts ever will. I loved that Joni seemed shy in one way but in another ready with a grin to not take any crap from anybody! So vicariously enjoy my little piece of Joni, from what I have read most of you have dozens more live experience, but you will certainly be able to relate to a one-timer like myself.I hope she tours again soon!! Erica "...go look at your eyes, they're full of moon......" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:12:18 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: just a little green Bob wrote: > Welcome, Erica! Thanks for the introduction! And I'll echo Bob's sentiments - welcome to the best discussion list ever! And just wait 'til you've been to a Jonifest - an incredible experience! > I WISH your type of post WAS the norm...I love lyric discussions, but I think I'm definitely in the > minority. As has been mentioned, DITS gets a lot of talk and just made the rounds a while back. > I was actually listening to a live version of it this morning, and thinking about how cryptic it is > and how we've tried to decode it over the years. You're not in a minority with me, Bob. I love lyric discussions, but don't post on them too often, because by the time I deal with the time differences, someone's already said what I wanted to say! But I was thinking about some lyrics this morning, which might make an interesting discussion. In "My Old Man" she sings "We don't need no piece of paper, from the city hall" and yet in Willy, she sings "He says our love cannot be real, he cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells". These seem to be opposite statements to me. In the first she's saying she doesn't want (or need) marriage with this man, but in the second, she's saying she wants (or has at least considered) marriage, but he doesn't? Just my take (obviously) but I'd be curious as to what other people think? Erica, you wanted a lyric discussion - you got one! Hell (aka Helen, in sunny - for now - Auckland, NZ!) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:39:01 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #33 In a message dated 1/22/02 12:05:02 AM, you wrote: << the tenth world. i just do not get this at all. it just makes no sense to me as yet,,,,,,, i really dont see it as worthy of inclusion in what is otherwise a superb album!! what do others think?? >> Hi, Ron -- I'm sure by the time you get this, others will have spilled the beans, but just in case -- and it *may* be a coincidence -- Joni was *dating* Don Alias (the percussionist in her band) at the time. Nuff said. For what it's worth, at the time the album came out I also loved it to death *except* for that cut; only learned the possible dating connection much more recently. Enjoy the rest! -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:16:55 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: just a little green > But I was thinking about some lyrics this morning, which might make an > interesting discussion. In "My Old Man" she sings "We don't need no piece > of paper, from the city hall" and yet in Willy, she sings "He says our love > cannot be real, he cannot hear the chapel's pealing silver bells". These > seem to be opposite statements to me. In the first she's saying she doesn't > want (or need) marriage with this man, but in the second, she's saying she > wants (or has at least considered) marriage, but he doesn't? Just my take > (obviously) but I'd be curious as to what other people think? I'd never really thought about these two lyrics in relation to one another. Velly een-terestink, Hell! Joni has always expressed ambivalence about marriage. All the way back on STAS in 'Cactus Tree' she sings that 'she fears that one will ask her for eternity/and she's so busy being free'. Later in 'Help Me' she gave us the line 'we love our lovin'/but not like we love our freedom'. And of course on 'Hejira' in 'Song For Sharon' we get 'and I saw the long white dress of love on a store front mannequin/big boat chugging back with a belly full of cars/all for something lacey/some girl's gonna see that dress/and crave that day like crazy' and 'when we were kids in Maidstone, Sharon/I went to every wedding in that little town' and finally 'he taught me first you get the kisses/and then you get the tears/but the ceremony of the bells & lace/still veils this reckless fool here'. Joni has said that her marriage to Chuck Mitchell was less than happy and has also said that he ultimately betrayed her as far as Kilauren was concerned. I think this made her gunshy about the whole prospect of getting married again. Must have made her pretty conflicted about it, considering the romantic notions from her childhood that she expressed about marriage in 'Song For Sharon'. Graham Nash (Willy) must have made her 'crave that day like crazy' all over again. Maybe by the time she wrote 'My Old Man' she had resigned herself to the fact that marriage wasn't in the cards for that particular relationship and so she adopted the notion that 'we don't need no piece of paper from the City Hall' that was just becoming prevalent among the younger generation at the time. (Or is this song about James? Never knew for sure.) But she did wait a long time before she actually tied the knot again with Larry Klein. I think she wants to believe in a happy, lasting marriage but really has decided that, for her anyway, there is no such thing. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:19:15 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) Hi, all, On the same day, I got in my mailbox, Painting Wuth Words And Music (tape) and The Joni Mitchell Companion (book, by Stacy Luftig). (I was good to myself, and Amazon, for Christmas.) I've been alternately watching the tape and reading the book, and a few things struck me. (1) She sings the Billy Holliday and friends' "Nothing Can Be Done" (which I subconsciously had entitled "Comes Love" in my head, I think) on the tape, and in the book, she discusses writing her and LK's song of the same name. I had never realized she'd recorded two different songs by the same name until this week, and I might have missed it still if it hadn't been for the coincidence of being at those points on the tape and in the book within minutes of each other. Got me thinking about what, if anything, they have in common. I guess Billy H's version is about the hopelessness of resisting love once you've been bitten by the bug, and JM/LK's version (Joni wrote the words, right?) of the hopelessness of resisting the force of time, and middle age. Funny, anyway, that I've had CMIARS since '91 and BSN (my first exposure to BH's version) since 2000, and I just now noticed the two songs had the same name. (2) In one of the interviews in the book, Joni noted that at least once at the Berklee School of Music in Boston (which allows students to use jazz, as well as classical, as a "base" for their instruction), one final exam instruction was to score the final, "fade out" part of Car On A Hill. Reading that made me laugh, and remember way back in '74, when I was learning to play that song on the piano, that several people stopped to watch me and listen (at least one said, "What the [expletive] are you playing?"); those who could read music picked up the book to look at it. I actually convinced the two guys in the house who were music majors (and for the most part, classical music snobs) to consider Joni, and Burt Bacharach, one of my other musical heroes. (3) Which of the guitar players in this family of ours -- Paz? Are you one of them? -- is a user and fan of the VG-8? I understand Joni's relief at having this amazing tool to work with, given her countless tunings and partial phsyical disbility; but does *anyone* else find the sound in some of the songs on TTT and on PWWAM -- what's the word to use? -- muddy? It sounds to me on some songs like all the empty spaces have been filled in. She discusses in the Luftig book how she now has the ability to not just double but sometimes 16-uple and even more-uple the guitar on some cuts. I don't think the "muddy" sound is just me -- my main squeeze walked in the room while I was playing the tape (he likes Joni a lot but he's not [Stepford voice] ONE OF US) and after a couple of minutes, he asked, what's wrong with the sound? I asked him to listen carefully to see if he felt it was *all* of the sound, or just some aspect of it. And after a couple more minutes, he said, "It's the guitar." I'm trying to think of one example... Okay, "Man From Mars" from TtT sounds muddy to me -- is it the VG-8 itself, or is it her doubling and quadrupling, etc.? By the way, I love the song, I just find the guitar sound on it (sigh) muddy. (4) I'm enjoying reading the article in the book from Acoustic Guitar by Jeffrey Pepper Rogers "My Secret Place: The Guitar Oddysey of Joni Mitchell", in which her tunings are discussed. Thanks to a couple of very helpful postings from several jmdlers (Howard and Marian and probably others) in answer to my queries about tunings and what they mean (I play piano, but know little about the guitar), I'm more or less able to follow it, and more amazed than ever at JM's accomplishments. Whoa, that was long. Thanks for listening. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:37:05 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's Not covering Joni on Cover Girl In a message dated 1/22/02 12:05:02 AM, SCBob wrote: << So funny that Shawn didn't do a Joni song on her "Cover Girl" CD >> Shawn explains in the liner notes that "Many great songwriters are missing here, especially women writers, because I find it so much harder to lend something new to renditions of the women's work that influenced me..." So *all* of the songs on that album are by men. Maybe someday she'll do a "Girly Cover Girl" album? warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:37:37 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: don juans restless daughter > Through reading about this album on the list i was convinced that the tenth > world would be a disastrous piece of crap. I kind of like it. I'm not > pretending that i *understand* it, i don't, nor can i see where it fits into > the overall narrative of the album. When I first heard DJRD I wasn't overly fond of 'The Tenth World' either. It seemed to go on for far too long and was not particulary interesting. I have come to appreciated it as time has gone by, though. I agree with Bob, that is a segue from 'Otis and Marlena' to 'Dreamland'. It sort of acts as an ambient piece, taking us out of Miami and the USA into a completely different place. I'm sure the fact that she was dating Don Alias at the time had something to do with its inclusion on DJRD but I also get the impression that she enjoyed being a part of it and I think it ultimately belongs where it is on the record. Chaka Khan is also a good buddy of Joni's and she must have enjoyed doing some vocal jamming with her. I love the way O&M fades into it and then the way it comes to that abrupt end. The beginning of 'Dreamland' seems so logical after that short pause. I have kind of an embarassing story about 'The Tenth World'. About a year after I moved to Seattle I became obsessed with preserving my girlish figure. I have a tendency to gain weight around my mid section, that good ol' spare tire that so many of us guys get when we run smack into middle age. At that time, however, I was only about 25 years old. But I was convinced that I had to do something to get rid of this excess fat. Somebody told me that if you wrapped cellophane around your mid-section when you excercised it helped sweat off the extra pounds. So I got into this routine of wrapping Handy Wrap around my stomach, putting 'The Tenth World' on the stereo and dancing all around the room until 'Dreamland' was finished. What a sight that must have been! One night I fell asleep in an easy chair not long after doing this routine and when I woke up I had messed my back up real good. The two women I was living with at the time (they were a couple then, in case anybody gets any funny ideas) thought it was a completely bonkers thing to do but they had both known me long enough to not be surprised by any ridiculous thing that I might do. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:44:38 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: notes from PWWAM and Luftig's Companion...(long) > (1) She sings the Billy Holliday and friends' "Nothing Can Be Done" (which I > subconsciously had entitled "Comes Love" in my head, I think) on the tape, > and in the book, she discusses writing her and LK's song of the same name. I > had never realized she'd recorded two different songs by the same name until > this week, and I might have missed it still if it hadn't been for the > coincidence of being at those points on the tape and in the book within > minutes of each other. PWWAM is mis-labelled. You are quite right, Walt. The name of the song that Billie recorded was 'Comes Love'. I think the BSN cd has the correct name on it. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:56:50 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #22 In a message dated 1/22/2002 3:37:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Wonder > >which Joni songs conjure up specific images for y'all... > The entire DED album brings me right back to mid 80's, much of it still relevant today. Interweaving visions of destruction, beauty and despair...BRILLIANT! "Fiction of the coward Fiction of the hero Fiction of the monuments reduced to zero" "Walkin' on the beach at the end of the day Between the sand and the seagulls Watchin' the glorious sun setting on the bay" "Last night I dreamed I saw the planet flicker Great forests fell like buffalo Everything got sicker and to the bitter end Big business bickered" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:19:22 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: My 1 and only concert experience In a message dated 1/22/02 5:59:40 PM, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: << She glowed, literally! I think it was gold or red, but the dress seemed more like a thick guilded brush stroke that she wrapped around herself just moments before. I remember one clear and definite thought that entered my mind was that she truly is a priestess, magical and mysterious,simply beautiful. >> You go, Erica! Very nicely put. --Bob (Although I was there that night and I thought Joni looked like she was wearing a couch!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Take 2 - --- Erica Trudelle wrote: > ok, I flubbed my JMDL introduction with the > suggestion of disecting DITS,:) > so I thought I'd throw out an open invite for some > other more experienced > jimdle to pick a song that hasn't been put through > the ringer lately. No flub at all - that particular song is full of things that raise questions and it doesn't hurt to raise them now and again. One of the joys of Joni's lyrics is that they can be interpreted in so many ways - - and apparently Joni *meant* to do that. Welcome to the party, Erica. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: don juans restless daughter - --- Garret wrote: > Through reading about this album on the list i was > convinced that the tenth > world would be a disastrous piece of crap. I kind > of like it. I'm not > pretending that i *understand* it, i don't, nor can > i see where it fits into > the overall narrative of the album. This doesn't > necessarily marr my > enjoyment of it. I enjoy the 10th World. I think it *does* fit in, esp. in its placement between "Otis & Marlene" and "Dreamland." I only have the CD version, so everything's on one disc, so I can only guess where the breaks might have been between Sides 1 and 2 on two LP discs, but I'm guessing Overture-Cotton Ave, Talk to me and Jericho were side 1 of disc 1 and that Paprika Plains occupied all of side 2, disc 1. That would put "O&M", 10th W and Dreamland on side 1, disc 2, so the placement would work there. I see (hear?) Otis and Marlene, the song about a couple of people (husband and wife? spoiled, rich woman and servant-type? who the heck are these people?) arriving in Florida for some fun and sun and maybe a little plastic surgery; fading into the jungle rhythms of the 10th World - all drums and chanting, kind of hypnotic, taking you away from the big-city glitz and hype of Miami out into a dreamy kind of place, which is the 10th world; which then moves into Dreamland (which is really a song about coming *out* of Dreamland, isn't it?) I think you have to take these three songs as one unit, or one act in a play and then it makes sense. The 10th World *has* to be long, otherwise you don't have time to be hypnotized by it - it's kind of like voodoo, I guess (like I'm an expert on that!) There are times it annoys the crap out of me and I want to just skip past it, but then I get sucked in. If it just ended there, without Dreamland to follow it, it would be like getting woken up suddenly with a slap or a glass of water in your face, but Dreamland brings you back up out of the trance and back into the waking world. Of course, if the three songs *didn't* all come together on one side of the 2-album LP version, that blows that whole theory to hell and I'm not sure I even want to know about it! I love this album, just love it. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Take 2 - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Erica and all.......I meant Don (not Don's) Juan's > Reckless Daughter. Lack > of sleep. > Bree > I can never remember whether the daughter is reckless, wreckless or restless! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #23 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?