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onlyJMDL Digest      Tuesday, January 15 2002      Volume 2002 : Number 015



The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be
found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news,
a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more.

The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains
interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more.
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Back on list, Joni bootlegs                         [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand...  [SCJoniGuy]
  Re: Back on list, Joni bootlegs                          [AsharaJM@aol.com]
  CSNY on "You Turn Me On"?                               [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  No Subject                                            [BigWaltinSF@aol.com]
  Re: CSNY on "You Turn Me On"?  [Gerald Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.ed]
  thanks to the dub master          ["J.David Sapp" <davidsapp@peoplepc.com>]
  Re: thanks to the dub master                            [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  ANNOUNCING........... A LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!      [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com]
  Re: Joni & James in London                               [KLCass21@aol.com]
  NYC bound!                          ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  joni's "nightime at the nucleus"               [shane <cactussong@shaw.ca>]
  joni's birthplace near the kainaiwa nation     [shane <cactussong@shaw.ca>]
  Re: joni's "nightime at the nucleus"  ["Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@ho]
  Re: joni's "nightime at the nucleus"  ["Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@ho]
  Re: ANNOUNCING........... A LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!  [Michael Paz <jmichaelpa]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:58:24 EST
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Back on list, Joni bootlegs

Hi John, welcome back! Of course I remember you because I almost was a stowaway on your roadtrip to Ashara's for her first Jonifest! Glad to see you back here.

I'm certainly not an *expert* on these boots, but I do know a little. The Hinton book for all its faults does have some good info on some of these boots.

<<The first track is "Night In The City." It's listed on the CD I have as "Lights Out In Georgia." >>

From what I've read on this "Lights Out In Georgia" bootleg, it's most likely a composite of several different shows. You're right, the song titles are screwy, as is common with boots.

<<The next one is a show with Joni and James Taylor. >>

Yes, this is their 1970 concert, broadcast on the BBC (hence the good sound). This show has been booted as a lot of different titles ("He's Got A Friend Named Joni", "For Free" among others), and was treed early on here and included the soundcheck songs. The one you have is out of order and incomplete. This show was most likely recorded in early December '70 and was broadcast on 12/20/70. 

<<I'm in the process of cleaning up the recordings right now. There are two other discs, one called "Winter Lady" and the other called "Spring 
Songs." They both have songs I've never heard before.>> 

Winter Lady is a '72 show, I think...I'll have to check out the details on that one. Spring Songs is her Feb '74 show at Duke University (right in your backyard, John). The 2-record boot documents about half of the show, I think. We have a list member who was at that show!

Glad to have you back, John!

Bob

NP: Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over" 9/15/91

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:12:49 EST
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand...

<<I know that most of the covers of Joni's "This Flight Tonight" have drifted to the heavy metal side, but I think the Mama's Boys rendition is the best I've heard yet and not to heavy at all.  I guess "This Flight Tonight" is *the* JONI tune that can be played in a heavy metal style more than any of her other songs.>>

Wait 'til you hear the version by Zimmer's Hole!

I was very pleasantly surprised by the Mama's Boys recording. It's a nice middle ground. And I'm most crazy about the Rumba Club cover a couple of discs ago. Love that one!

And I got a pretty funny one over the weekend, by a European guy called James Last. Apparantly when the "Stars on 45" phenomenon caught on, this guy put out record after record of pop medleys with people clapping their hands, and in lieu of singing the actual lyrics, just singing da-da-da-da-da and such. Last's records were called "Non-Stop Dancing". Can any Euro's fill us in with any more info about this guy?

Jimmy, thanks as always for your support of the project! (And as for you, Mr. Murphy, I will only say that Jimmy in his generosity has sent me WAY more than blanks & postage!);~)

Bob

NP: Crowded House, "Now We're Getting Somewhere"

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:10:33 EST
From: AsharaJM@aol.com
Subject: Re: Back on list, Joni bootlegs

Welcome back, John!! Just in time to sign up for the next Jonifest!!  ;-)

www.jmdl.com/Jonifest2002

We missed you!

Hugs,
Ashara

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:12:04 EST
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: CSNY on "You Turn Me On"?

Just saw this blip on AllMusic.com in regards to "You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio):

<<It&#8217;s also worth noting that the song bears a resemblance to "You&#8217;ve Got a Friend," a song that recently had been a #1 hit for James Taylor (whom some writers have suggested is the person addressed in "You Turn Me on I&#8217;m a Radio"), especially since, in an interview conducted before the record&#8217;s release, Mitchell noted that she was deliberately trying for a hit. >>

Never thought about YTMOIAR as being similar to "You've Got a Friend"...any thoughts on this? Also:

<<She spoke of using Graham Nash, David Crosby, and Neil Young on the session, but said it didn&#8217;t work. Presumably she recut the song before its release, since neither Crosby nor Young is credited, though Nash does get a credit for harmonica. >>

Anybody know if this original version with CSNY is in circulation anywhere? Or did they just not get credited on the released version?

Bob

NP: The Cure, "All Cats Are Grey"

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:24:42 EST
From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com
Subject: No Subject

Got this from a friend in New Yawk:


> Hebonics 101
> 
> The New York City school board has officially declared  Jewish English - now
> dubbed Hebonics - as a second  language. Backers of the move say the city's
> School  District is the first in the state to recognize Hebonics as a valid
> language and significant attribute of New York culture. According to Howard
> Schollman,
> linguistics professor at New York University and renowned Hebonics scholar,
> the sentence structure of  Hebonics derives from middle and eastern European
> language patterns, as well as Yiddish.
> 
> Prof. Schollman explains, "In Hebonics, the response to any question is
> usually another question -- plus a complaint that is implied or stated. Thus
> 'How are
> you?' may be answered, 'How should I be, with my feet?'" Schollman says that
> Hebonics is a superb linguistic vehicle for expressing sarcasm or 
skepticism.
> An example is the repetition of a word with "sh" or "shm" at the beginning:
> 
> "Mountains, shmountains. Stay away. You want a nosebleed?"
> 
> Another Hebonics pattern is moving the subject of a
> sentence to the end, with its pronoun at the beginning:
> 
> "It's beautiful, that dress."
> 
> Schollman says one also sees the Hebonics verb moved to
> the end of the sentence. Thus the response to a remark such as
> 
> 'He's slow as a turtle,' could be: "Turtle, shmurtle!  Like a fly in
> Vaseline he walks."
> 
> Schollman provided the following examples from his textbook, Switched-On
> Hebonics.
> 
> Question: "What time is it?"
> English answer: "Sorry, I don't know."
> Hebonic answer: "What am I, a clock?"
> 
> Remark: "I hope things turn out okay."
> English response: "Thanks."
> Hebonic response: "I should BE so lucky!"
> 
> Remark: "Hurry up. Dinner's ready."
> English response: "Be right there."
> Hebonic response: "Alright already, I'm coming. What's with the 'hurry'
> business? Is there a fire?"
> 
> Remark: "I like the tie you gave me; wear it all the time."
> English response: "Glad you like it."
> Hebonic response: "So what's the matter; you don't like the other ties I
> gave you?
> 
> Remark: "Sarah and I are engaged."
> English response: "Congratulations!"
> Hebonic response: "She could stand to gain a few pounds."
> 
> Question: "Would you like to go riding with us?"
> English answer: "Just say when."
> Hebonic answer: "Riding, shmiding! Do I look like a cowboy?"
> 
> To guest of honor at his birthday party:
> English remark: "Happy birthday."
> Hebonic remark: "A year smarter you should become."
> 
> Remark: "A beautiful day."
> English response: "Sure is."
> Hebonic response: "So the sun is out; what else is new?"
> 
> Answering a phone call from son:
> English remark: "It's been a long time since you called."
> Hebonic remark: "You didn't wonder if I'm dead yet?"

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:37:21 -0500
From: Gerald Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: CSNY on "You Turn Me On"?

SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:

> Just saw this blip on AllMusic.com in regards to "You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio):
>
> <<It&#8217;s also worth noting that the song bears a resemblance to "You&#8217;ve Got a Friend," a song that recently had been a #1 hit for James Taylor (whom some writers have suggested is the person addressed in "You Turn Me on I&#8217;m a Radio"), especially since, in an interview conducted before the record&#8217;s release, Mitchell noted that she was deliberately trying for a hit. >>
>
> Never thought about YTMOIAR as being similar to "You've Got a Friend"...any thoughts on this?

Not alike in the least. YTMOIAR is much slinkier and playful. Though Joni seems to dismiss this song at times as being sleight and whimsical, I think she really has always liked it. And I think she was thrilled to hear Wynonna sing it at the TNT Tribute.

Jerry

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:15:11 -0600
From: "J.David Sapp" <davidsapp@peoplepc.com>
Subject: thanks to the dub master

I received the music today. Thank you so much, I can't wait to dive in. You
are truly a gift to all of us.

By the way I chose the Atlanta 11/07/98 performance after reading your
wonderful review @ JMDL.

For those interested here is what Bob dubbed for me:

1993: Troubadours of Folk Festival at UCLA

Rock Master Class, Interview & Songs from DED

"My Top Twelve"

Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98

'95 JazzFest in New Orleans

Morning Becomes Eclectic 3/27/98

peace, david

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:14:17 EST
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: thanks to the dub master

<<By the way I chose the Atlanta 11/07/98 performance after reading your wonderful review @ JMDL.>>

It was truly a magical night, David...the Atlanta show & the Kanata show are the two best performances out of all the '98 shows I've got. Atlanta was the only show that featured Song For Sharon & Both Sides Now, and of course us singing Happy Birthday to Joni while Chris Botti played it on trumpet! ;~)

All of your picks were good ones, for various reasons. Hope you get many happy listens from them!

Bob

NP: The Cure, "Close To Me"

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:25 EST
From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com
Subject: ANNOUNCING........... A LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!

A Northeast Back to the Garden Jonifest 2002 LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!!  All you 
creative people out there........get your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, 
pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative 
implements, and send your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 
2002 to:    les@jmdl.com.

All entries must be received by February 14, 2002.*
Please keep it simple.
At that time, all entries will go up on a website to be voted on by all of 
you.

Hugs,
Ashara

* Get working on those logos now! You don't want to wait til the Valentine's 
Day deadline, and leave your sweetheart to watch you in the throws of 
last-minute logo design craziness!!

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:18:05 EST
From: KLCass21@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni & James in London

In a message dated 1/14/2002 3:08:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com 
writes:


> The next one is a show with Joni and James Taylor. The first track is 
> Taylor's "Steamroller." Joni then sings "The Gallery." There are several 
> songs from Blue on this one, and the last song is "The Circle Game." The 
> audio quality on this disc is much better. I'm wondering if this is the 
> BBC radio show Joni and James Taylor did in London... anybody have a guess?

Hi All - I'm new to the list (my first posting - I hope I do it right!).  
Joni fan for 16 years now.  The Joni/James recording sounds like a bootleg my 
college roommate found at a flea market called "Two to Tango".  He taped it 
for me, but tragically, my sister taped over it with some 80's fluff by a 
Soap star turned musician!  I recall Joni talking about her dulcimer plus 
James jamming with Joni on California.  Not sure if it was a BBC radio show 
but I do know it was recorded in London. 

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:49 -0800
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: NYC bound! 

Sorry to all the joni onlys but I want to reach everyone.

Jeff & I are coming to NYC next month- we will be there Feb 11-13,
Mon-Wed...if anyone is up for a jmdl get together...we are staying in the
city...

I am also contacting a couple songwriterly folks I know to see if there are
any available gigs open at this late date...all suggestions are welcome!
(for a folk-rock country blues acoustic guitar & harmonica husband wife duo)

NYC in Feb...brrrrrr (its like spring here right now in CA)

********************************************
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www.katebennett.com
sponsored by Polysonics
Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars:
http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:18 -0700
From: shane <cactussong@shaw.ca>
Subject: joni's "nightime at the nucleus"

joni's "nightime at the nucleus" is down to
$40,000.

400 of us each put up 100. (yeah sure):

http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?ai=00379*8847&cc=dtg

shane
www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:25:10 -0700
From: shane <cactussong@shaw.ca>
Subject: joni's birthplace near the kainaiwa nation

joni's birthplace, fort macleod is just north and west of the
largest first nations reserve in canada, over 600sq miles,
which belongs to the kainaiwa nation, formerly known as
the blood tribe, a related family to the blackfoot. the blackfoot,
and their associated cousins the blood, were feared as the
most ferocious of the prairie indian tribes. sacred lands,
now memorialized at "writing on stone" provincial park,
have hieroglyphic records of their ancient forefathers. it
is spectacular for its 'hoodoos', strange pillar rock form-
ations. a song i wrote and recorded for a film soundtrack,
"broke wing angel" is focussed upon this sacred land,
scenes from this film shoot are now on my website.
on any given day in fort macleod, you can usually see
quite a few members of the kainaiwa nation. one of
the oldest picture portraits of a 'blood indian' can be
viewed here:

http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?z=x&ca=x&ai=819*14129&cc=dtg

the spirit of the kainaiwa people, so fierce and proud,
and the great beauty of their panoramic land, with the
rockies off to the west, is an appropriate atmosphere
to think about when the native elements enter the
music of joni mitchell.

the kainaiwa nation:
http://www.kainaiwa.com/

shane
www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:37:30 -0800
From: "Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: joni's "nightime at the nucleus"

I'm about $39,000 short of their asking price.  Does any SOcal people know 
if this club is still in operation?  Kakki?  I will be making a trip out in 
early March and if a family members problems (medical) turns out ok, I would 
like to go and see the place where Joni hangs.  Interesting piece.... the 
piano especially.....tickle that ivory.

Bree

>joni's "nightime at the nucleus" is down to
>$40,000.
>
>400 of us each put up 100. (yeah sure):
>
>http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?ai=00379*8847&cc=dtg
>
>shane
>www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong




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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:37:51 -0800
From: "Bree Mcdonough" <bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: joni's "nightime at the nucleus"

I'm about $39,000 short of their asking price.  Does any SOcal people know 
if this club is still in operation?  Kakki?  I will be making a trip out in 
early March and if a family members problems (medical) turns out ok, I would 
like to go and see the place where Joni hangs.  Interesting piece.... the 
piano especially.....tickle that ivory.

Bree

>joni's "nightime at the nucleus" is down to
>$40,000.
>
>400 of us each put up 100. (yeah sure):
>
>http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?ai=00379*8847&cc=dtg
>
>shane
>www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong




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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:50:31 -0800
From: Michael Paz <jmichaelpaz@telocity.com>
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING........... A LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!

What do we win??? A weekend getaway with Ashara???? A Joni guitar???? A
VG_8????HUH HUH HUH.

Paz


NP-Landslide-Tori Amos Live

on 1/14/02 1:25 PM, AsharaProducLLC@aol.com at AsharaProducLLC@aol.com
wrote:

> A Northeast Back to the Garden Jonifest 2002 LOGO CONTEST!!!!!!!!!  All you
> creative people out there........get your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors,
> pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative
> implements, and send your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest
> 2002 to:    les@jmdl.com.
> 
> All entries must be received by February 14, 2002.*
> Please keep it simple.
> At that time, all entries will go up on a website to be voted on by all of
> you.
> 
> Hugs,
> Ashara
> 
> * Get working on those logos now! You don't want to wait til the Valentine's
> Day deadline, and leave your sweetheart to watch you in the throws of
> last-minute logo design craziness!!

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