From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 010 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] recording of Jungle Line without the drums? [M.Russell@iaea.org] All this talk about 'open' tunings.....SJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] remember the first time you heard Joni ["Ron Greer" ] Hissing Songbook [=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Shannon?= ] leonard's online chat [shane ] Re: live at club 47 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March ["Paul Castle" ] Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: The Second Fret [Mags N Brei ] remember the first time you heard joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Today's Articles: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Hits [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: Mama & Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Mama & Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] chat room [Mags ] Re: For the Roses [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] a heart like mary's [Murphycopy@aol.com] Larry That Wild Russian [Michael Paz ] ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >>> West Coast mini-Tour! [Dharma Beetle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:09:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 9 On January 9 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni plays the second of three nights at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:09:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 9 On January 9 this article was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710109s.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:24:04 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: recording of Jungle Line without the drums? In the last year, someone mentioned that they had a recording of, or were able to hear the song Jungle Line without all the drums. I would very much like to obtain a recording of this as soon as possible. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:41:23 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: All this talk about 'open' tunings.....SJC Hi Is there anyone out there who has a copy of the published song book with standard tuning tabs for Wild Things Run Fast? I'm particularly interested in acquiring a copy of the standard tabs for 'Love'. Also the standard tuning tabs for 'Conversation'. I believe that the compiled charts for Joni's first three records were published in a single volume and although I think I recall that the tabs were open tuning, the chord names were provided (with their miriad suspensions and additional notes :-) ) - that would be all the information I need there. I've tried the 'open' tunings available on the JMDL but, being a lazy git, want to do something with these songs without going through the palaver of retuning my guitar - heresy, I know, but there you have it! If you could contact me off-list, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you and a good new year to you all. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:31 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: remember the first time you heard Joni hi the first time i heard joni was in '81/82 - the album was shadows & light. i was in the air force doing national service, based in walvis bay, in what is now namibia, but was in those days considered to be a part of south africa. a friend had just been on leave, and had come back with an ample supply of the green stuff to smoke, and a whole bunch of new tapes to listen to. that morning we had got nicely stoned, then sat outside in the sun listening to david bowie's gravedigger song (not too sure of the official title - please mr. gravedigger??) - what a freak out!!! we were alll quivering wrecks by the end of the song... then that evening we were in his room, smoking a one hit bong. he then put on this album, and told us we were in for a treat. i wish i could say that i had this instant revelation/epiphany which so many people seem to have had, but quite frankly i just didnt get it... it was totally different to anything i had ever heard, it just didnt make sense, and what the hell was that guy doing to his bass??? i was a huge bass fan at that stage, & quite capable of tuning in to the bass only, & not even hearing the other instruments. but it intrigued me, i kept coming back, and within a very short time it just started to work for me. when he left, i had to go out & buy a copy for myself. just after that stage of my life i went into a huge depression, suicidal, and totally shut off from everyone - i would hardly ever speak to anyone, and run a mile if anyone spoke to me. spending an entire day in bed, not eating, not reading, just crying, was a fairly regular ocurrence. somehow shadows & light got through to me. amelia became one of my all time favourite tracks, & god must be a boogy man just spoke volumes to me. the inner conflict described in the song helped me realise that it wasnt just me who was in turmoil. then i saw some more joni albums, two double albums, consisting of two single albums joined in the middle, with the original covers. my introduction to her earlier albums - hissing of the summer lawns, blue, ladies of the canyon, and another (court & spark??). by now i was ready - it was a great intro to her other music. but to this day, i still rate shadows and light as the finest album ever produced by anyone.. ron' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:21:17 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Shannon?= Subject: Hissing Songbook Does anyone have or know of a HoSL Songbook I could borrow or purchase? - - Dave Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:32:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing Songbook On E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1405493682 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:32:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing Songbook On E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1405493682 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:08:03 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni I first heard Joni in our living room at home. I was about five or six, and my mother got "Court and Spark" and played it over and over again. I was so in love with all music at that time, and used to spin around and dance in the middle of the floor to Joni, fleetwood Mac, Seals and Crofts, Cat Stevens, etc. I also used to pull out all my mom's albums and study the covers. I remember being really fascinated by Joni's cover for "Clouds". That big colorful self-portrait always drew my attention. My favorite Joni songs at that young age were "Help Me", "Court and Spark", and "People's Parties/Same Situation". Abby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:31:58 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Mama & Joni Catherine and Susan, i think you've just wrote one of the all times JC truths - Mothers don't like Joni. I think they sense the Jezebel and fear it. I think that deep inside their souls our mothers wish they had Joni's freedom and lust. For girls in America, mothers were surley worried by the blonde hippie woman's ideas brainwashing their daughters minds. My mum thinks she's too damn sad but i think it all began when my father was looking at a Joni photo and said something like "Oh, who is this beautiful lady, son?" Love, Nuriel - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:12:13 -0700 From: shane Subject: leonard's online chat in october, leonard cohen had an online chat with his admirers... i got surfing around him after my astonishment at his work in his new release "ten new songs"... even the chat is itself enlightening: http://www.leonardcohen.com/transcript.html shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:27:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: live at club 47 <> Joe, this was a popular bootleg called most often "By The Banks of the River Charles". It documents Joni's performance at Club 47 on January 8-10, 1968. Here's the setlist for this show: 1. Cactus Tree 2. Night In The City 3. The Gift of the Magi 4. I Had a King 5. Morning Morgantown 6. Ballerina Valerie 7. Song to a Seagull 8. Both Sides Now 9. Conversation 10. Come to the Sunshine 11. Chelsea Morning 12. The Pirates of Penance 13. The Way It Is 14. The Dawntreader It's a very nice set. A very intimate setting, and a high quality recording. One of the few live versions of "Pirate of Penance" & "Gift Of The Magi" you'll find, as well as a performance of "The Way It Is", a song she composed as the theme song to a Canadian news show of the same name. There is some great video available with some of her performances of this song and others on the CBC-TV show. I'm happy to make copies of the CD for blanks/postage or equivalent costs thereof, for any interested JMDL'er. Bob NP: Marshall Crenshaw, "Starting Tomorrow" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:24:13 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March I've just heard that a couple of the UK's most popular folky singer songwriters, Chris While and Julie Matthews, will be touring the UK in March as >BLUE TAPESTRY - A celebration of the music of >Joni Mitchell & Carole King - performed by Chris While, >Julie Matthews, Pete Zorn, Maartin Alcock & Neil Marshall Sounds like a good night out for UK Jmdlers - BUT no dates in London, sadly - see http://www.mattwhile.fsnet.co.uk/Tour_Datesx.html (the closest is The Chequermead Arts Centre, East Grinstead, West Sussex - do you know this venue, Jacky?). Hope someone manages to record some of these gigs. Chris and Julie were both singers with Ashley Hutching's 'Albion Band' until 1997 when they left to form the all female 'Daphne's Flight' (with Christine Collister and others). They've been playing as a duo for a few years now - Julie plays piano, guitar, mandolin and bouzouki, and Chris plays guitar, dulcimer, bodhran and percussion. Both have had their songs covered by Irish sisters, Mary and Frances Black, amongst others - see http://www.whileandmatthews.co.uk/. The band will also include multi-instrumentalists Pete Zorn (currently Albion Band and The Richard Thompson Band) and Maartin Alcock (ex-Fairport Convention and Jethro Tull) as well as current Albion Band drummer Neil Marshall. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:42:57 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) Fellow JMDLers, Please forgive my preceding post. I was trying to reply with the quotes I wanted to reply to by using "reply" and deleting all the extraneous material, and trying to insert a space where it wouldn't go, and, suddenly, what was left was sent -- the majority of digest 9 of the current volume. Delete it. Below is, in substance, what I wanted to write, lacking either the quotes from the original posts, or the names of the members posting the remarks I respond to (3 of 4). In reply to a question about open tuning, one member -- Marion or Marian in Vienna, I believe -- said that the combination of six strings in standard guitar tuning, EAGDBE, isn't a chord, and another member said any combination of three or more notes is a chord, but we would have to be creative to give a name to that combination, and provided two examples. Well, a guitar-chord reference I have says that chord is A 11. Another member made a reference to "Acoustic Magazine" for a good article on Joni's tunings and how they're used. Could that have been "Acoustic Guitar" magazine? And, in any case, how about posting the issue date -- month and year -- and/or the volume and issue number? A fourth member said his/her mother always got Joni Mitchell's name wrong, referring to "Joni James." Well, there is, or was, a female vocalist named Joni James -- blonde, too, I think -- who apparently peaked in the 1950s. One of several catalogs I have of mail/phone/fax/Ineternet-order suppliers of recorded music -- probably Collector's Choice, in this instance -- has several Joni James albums, and the catalog is illustrated with pictures. All the best in 2002. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:53:33 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March In a message dated 09/01/02 11:26:18 GMT Standard Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > > Sounds like a good night out for UK Jmdlers - BUT no dates > in London, sadly - see http://www.mattwhile.fsnet.co.uk/Tour_Datesx.html > (the closest is The Chequermead Arts Centre, East Grinstead, > West Sussex - do you know this venue, Jacky?). Hope someone > manages to record some of these gigs. > Hi Paul, I've never been to that venue but it's high time I did and shall certainly try to go on March 10th. I'm not equipped to record it though! I also noticed Phil Beer and co are at Tunbridge Wells on Jan 26th and would definitely be going to that if I hadn't got something else on as the Trinity Arts Centre is one of my favourite venues. Thanks for letting us know about this. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:05:11 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: The Second Fret Hello all! This was on the Folk Alliance list. Wasn't Joni featured at The Second Fret? Anyone see her there? >We're looking for people with memories of The Second Fret... >The Second Fret was a Folk Club in Philadelphia, Pa in the early to mid 1960's. Owned and operated by Manny Rubin, the Fret became one of the most influential clubs of that era. We'd like to gather an archive of stories, remembrances and photos from our Uncle Manny's club...and we'd like your help. Please tell us what you remember about those days at the Fret. If you have a photo you'd like to share...e-mail me at drubin@ptd.net and I'll arrange to put it on a photo page.. > >Thanks so much for helping us remember and bringing back some of the nostalgia of those days . Visit the page below and share your stories... > >http://www.secondfret.com/second_fret_memories.htm or respond directly to Debbie Rubin at drubin@ptdprolog.net > - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: The Second Fret Hello all, I know Gene Shay and Ed Sciacky were there! Ed is the reason those treed tapes exist. He said he was in the front row with an Ampex recorder and Joni had 2 mikes, his and the house mike. One of my all-time biggest regrets was having been born in 1954, a few years too late to have known about our Joan in those early days, and to have seen her there. Or her one performance at the original Main Point in Bryn Mawr PA, where I went on many a date in high school. Saw a lot of good acts in those days (esp Tom Rush, Janis Ian and a duo named Dialogue) Back to my steamed chinese lunch ;-O Brei in drizzly south jersey np: the wedding singer, present moment days - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > Hello all! This was on the Folk Alliance list. Wasn't Joni > featured at The Second Fret? Anyone see her there? > > >We're looking for people with memories of The Second Fret... > >The Second Fret was a Folk Club in Philadelphia, Pa in the early to > mid > 1960's. Owned and operated by Manny Rubin, the Fret became one of > the most > influential clubs of that era. We'd like to gather an archive of > stories, > remembrances and photos from our Uncle Manny's club...and we'd like > your > help. Please tell us what you remember about those days at the Fret. > If > you have a photo you'd like to share...e-mail me at drubin@ptd.net > and I'll > arrange to put it on a photo page.. > > > >Thanks so much for helping us remember and bringing back some of the > nostalgia of those days . Visit the page below and share your > stories... > > > >http://www.secondfret.com/second_fret_memories.htm > or respond directly to Debbie Rubin at drubin@ptdprolog.net ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:00:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: remember the first time you heard joni a brilliant solution!!!!!! give her a guitar too & she will be okay! ...lol (i had such angst & anger as a teen & my mother just didn't understand my artistic, poetic spirit...she tried to get me to see a psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever people saw in those days...which i refused & i think this was a postive thing as i am not sure anyone could have helped me through what i needed to go through & i have always suspected they could have done more damage than good (a friend of mine was given shock therapy for her angst...or who knows...maybe there was more to it) ..... however listening to music & playing guitar saved my soul a million times...) mags wrote >>perhaps I should turn one of my Joni collections over to my daughter. Hmmmmm.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:53:28 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: remember the first time you heard Joni Nice post Susan. Here's my recount on seeing/hearing that DAMN JONI MITCHELL........ It was I believe 1975,the venue was The University of Cincinnati Fieldhouse. My older sister and her then boyfriend had invited me to come along......... Our seats were up in the nose-bleed section.. sitting on bleachers and before SHE came out I was already a little sauced because the tequila&salt was passed up and down our row along with the HERB. The L.A. Express opened up with a few tight jazzy numbers and then the lights dimmed....out SHE walked,if you can call it walking, more like a stroll....(chills even now.. just as I had those many years ago) SHE opened with HELP ME. Wearing a black pant outfit,tomato red, silky blouse and a gaucho style hat. I could see she was a blond, her hair slightly exposed, but most of it tucked in the hat. MY very first reaction was what an incredibly stunning, beautiful& mysterious woman. (THE VOICE:I will just say for the people that have seen her live know what I mean when I write:THE VOICE. There are no adjetives to adequately describe;the soaring highs the low-ebb to it. Recordings DO NOT capture it.......what I heard back in 75.) She spoke very little other than to complain about her guitar being out of tune.... she fiddled quite a bit with her guitar. Taking a lot of time and you could feel her frustration. (there was a guy sitting to the right of us who would scream at her to PLAY something. I was quite annoyed by him as others were.) When she sat at the piano I can remember being sooooo transfixed losing all space and time. Losing my surroundings.. (it wasn't just the herb either)....it was just she and I.....this was an incredible moment!! Did I realize at the time the innovator she was/is.. no, nor the master musician? I did realize I needed to explore her more......of course not knowing at the time would be a live-long exploration. (hence,JMDL) As I remember she did three or four encores and on her last encore she took her hat off....*WOW!!.......her beautiful blond locks now free-flowing,silky sleeves rolled up....My Analyst told me..... _______________________________________________________________________ Soooooooo to sum it up.....I guess you can kind of read into it that I love Joni Mitchell. :-) *WOW:I often think of Mama Cass's facial expression when she saw Janis at the Monterey Pop festival back in 68/69, with her mouth agape....WOW!. (I have a little fund set aside so wherever SHE is in concert in the future......be it bum-blank Egypt or Tidewater,West Virginia (me mothers birthplace) I will be there........it's been WAY tooo long. Bree Mags wrote: close your eyes and remember those angst filled days and >how Joni became >the very thing that saved you. > >Mags my friend, this poem/prose was so lovely! I think for many of us, >the words you laid out here express the very time and place many of us >came from and to in our life long union with Joni. This is well >written and it definitely touches the soul of our reason for being >here .. well surely you touched mine. Thanks for sharing. > >Julius wrote: she would light candles and incense and read to me from >Sylvia Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. > >Julus this is the woman for me! I love Wendy - hook me up! This is >like fairy tale so sweet a memory. If anyone recalls the old thread >about favorite books and authors, mine included all 3 mentioned here! > >My first REAL Joni listen was the summer of 1971. I had heard a few >things in pieces here and there and liked what I heard but I wasn't >listening close enough. Also, I was often hearing BSN - Judy Collins >versions. > >But the summer of 71 as I was turning 14 was the defining moment for >me. I was hanging out with a slightly older cousin who was busy >getting me high for the first few times of my life. We were listening >to a radio station that was very into playing the Blue album that >summer. Every song was an immediate love for me. The ones I remember >them playing were All I Want, California, Carey ... A Case of you well >all of them. > >I bought the album within the week and played it down to a hissing >sound. Actually I recall my mother going shopping and I giving her the >instrctions of what album to pick up for me. I immediately put it on >the turn table and was never the same - my mother on the other hand >imediately hated it and her. To this day when we argue about ANYTHING, >she still says, I am always trying to shove my opinions down her throat >and it all started with that damn Joni Mitchell! > >I felt proud to have "discovered" the album and buy it before my cousin >did. To know all of the words and have a personal relationship with >the whole package. I went out and bought LOTC and Clouds within a >month or 2 and then STAS. > >By January of 72 I was sitting in the 8th row and watching Joni live. >Except for a few moments in my life I can't think of anything that was >such a turning point and defining moment both creatively - soulfully >than that time in my life. I have looked for other "heroes" but just >like love it always hits you when you least expect it. > >Every lover I have had has either been indoctrinated by me with Joni - >or was as big a fan as I. I believe those are reasonable prerequisites >for being my lover - don't you agree? > >Peace >Susan >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:21:29 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: notches liberation doll I'm way behind on digests and this discussion, but anyway... >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:30:42 Lori in MD wrote: > >> Bob wrote: >>> But the words are "YOUR notches," not "YOU'RE notches." > >> Depends on your reference. It's "your notches" here: >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/Hissing75LyricsHome.html >> and here: http://www.jmdl.com/howard/music/tab/sorrow.txt > >> but it's "you're notches" here: >> http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/dontinterruptthesorrow.cfm > >> I've always thought "your" was a typo. Anyone? > Not sure - I always thought the lyric was probably "you're notches", but there is no definitive lyrics reference. The lyrics printed on the albums do have errors, as Marian mentioned, and the songbooks also have mistakes. For this one, both interpretations ("your" and "you're") could make sense. >Marian wrote: > >There many errors in the lyrics printed with her albums which were then >unfortunately carried over completely into the Lyrics book. It's too bad >that Joni didn't have time to go over the book before it was published and >make corrections. I hope she will do that someday! Maybe she doesn't even >know that there are so many mistakes. > >I know Howard made an attempt at one point to go through all the lyrics and >make corrections. Yes, I did go through every lyric to every song (helped by others) to pick up as many of the lyric book mistakes as possible. Unfortunately, the corrections didn't make it into the second edition of the book - but I did edit all the lyrics at JoniMitchell.com to make sure they were as accurate as possible. I'm pretty sure that is the most accurate source of Joni lyrics there is at the moment. I think we'd need to check with Joni to be sure of the intended meaning/spelling for this line in "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:41:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... Randy Remote wrote: >Wonderful explanation...just one little nit to pick.. > >M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > >Standard tuning on the guitar is EADGBE (E55545). > >> - it is not itself a >> chord - > >any group of 3 or more notes is a chord...although in this >case you've gotta get creative to name it... >Em7sus4 ? >Am7sus2/sus4 ? >G6 with 2 in the bass? >Anyone else care to try? Not an Em7sus4 because the third (G) is present. Maybe Em7add4 or Em11. In any case, I agree it is definitely a chord, and actually, I find it quite beautiful. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:13:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Refuge of the Roads" video for Brits 100% JC The "Refuge of the Roads" video for Brits is now on ebay as item # 1403636038 . I have no connection with the seller but thought it might be of interest to someone. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:34:35 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Subject: Your first 2002 Joni >My husband and daughter went to Arby's yesterday (2-2-02) for lunch. When I >got home they were laughing saying "guess who we heard in Arby's?" I >screamed, "JONI!" They said, yep, that song about paved paradise. So Big >Yellow Taxi is playing in Arby's in 2002! >Best wishes for a Happy New year for all. Janine That is very sweet.....they couldn't wait to tell you. I was in a Big Lot/Odd Lot store last week with my bargain hunting sister that must touch EVERY!..... SINGLE! ITEM!while going down the aisles. (drives me nuts) Anyway,HELP ME came on. While she was completely oblivious filling her cart with junk for next years Christmas tree I was in JONILAND. :-) I love hearing her when I least expect it. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:42:28 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Unsolved HOSL Hi everyone, Do you recall something Joni wrote on the HOSL ineer sleeve? Mine is hiding somewhere but you should know what i'm talking abot, it's where she wrote about the Album and it's musicians. She speaks of HOSL as a mistery, a riddle that she leaves to the listner to solve. Something like that. It seems like Joni wants to it be solved (she's handing us some hints and clues) and at least thinks it can be solved. But it's like she's telling us "Well first can you tell me what is here that needs to be sloved?". She never wrote anything like that on any of her other sleeves and they're as unsolved as all of her work is, but she realy wanted to write it here, like saying that on HOSL there's REALY something strange. So? What do you think? What's the unsolved case here? If you've figured the case out - what answers came up? I can only offer my ideas but i'll wait for someone to please send the words Joni wrote in HOSL to the list. (Bob, could you?) Nuriel - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:27:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) In a message dated 1/9/02 11:45:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > Another member made a reference to "Acoustic Magazine" for a good article > on Joni's tunings and how they're used. Could that have been "Acoustic > Guitar" magazine? And, in any case, how about posting the issue date -- > month and year -- and/or the volume and issue number? > Hi Tim! Yes, that would be Acoustic Guitar magazine from August 1996 issue No. 44. I believe that it's archived in the JMDL database. ~rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0700 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 9 On January 9 this article was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710109s.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0700 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 9 On January 9 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni plays the second of three nights at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:57:41 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Hits Hello All I have realized that I bought an extra copy of Joni's Hits Songbook last year at NAMM and I already have it. The face value is $21.95, but I only paid about $16 for it. If anyone is interested in it please contact me privately. First come... Off to watch the AMA's Best Paz p.s please respond to offer at jmichaelpaz@telocity.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mama & Joni - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Catherine and Susan, i think you've just wrote one > of the all times JC truths - Mothers don't like > Joni. > I think they sense the Jezebel and fear it. I think > that deep inside their souls our mothers wish they > had Joni's freedom and lust. For girls in America, > mothers were surley worried by the blonde hippie > woman's ideas brainwashing their daughters minds. My > mum thinks she's too damn sad but i think it all > began when my father was looking at a Joni photo and > said something like "Oh, who is this beautiful lady, > son?" I don't think my mother bothered to find out anything about Joni so that blows the Jezebel thing right out of the water for me. Mum just didn't like the sound of Joni's voice! I'm a mother and I still like Joni - does that make me a Jezemum? ;) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:55:08 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) It looks like an E mi 11/9 chord to me but it could also be C major chord that Mitchell used all the time (COYOTE) leaving out the root for the bass to play. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Mama & Joni Catherine McKay wrote: "I'm a mother and I still like Joni - does that make me a Jezemum? ;)" YES! :) Speaking of Jezebel - her story took place here in the mountain where we live, Mount. Carmel. Amelia (this name is also from the Bible and in Hebrew means "work of God") was a member of her family. Amelia was one of the few good characters in that story. The story and the blood bath following it began with a fight over a grape-vine and Jezebel's hate for the prophet. The name Jezebel means in hebrew "no soil". Nuri > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:53:43 -0500 From: Mags Subject: chat room anyone around to chat? mags. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:58:12 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: For the Roses Thanks for sharing Barbara. For the Roses was my first journey into Joni's music too. Your cabin sounds like heaven to me. Heather At 07:52 AM 1/8/02 -0800, Steven & Babara Hirahara wrote: >By the time I was 19 I had a beautiful baby girl, buried both of my parents, I >was raising my little brother and had been married and divorced. I had fallen >in with a wonderful women named Gina who had offered to do my portrait in >chalk. > >She asked me to pose "straight," something I was loath to do for more than a >few hours. > >She said that loaded people gimaced oddly making it hard to capture their true >appearance. > >Gina turned on her record player ( an odd contraption that played large vinyl >discs at varying speeds) and I listened to Joni for hours. > >Time actually stood still and "For the Roses" took me to places in my heart >and soul that I hadn't visited in many years. I was surprised and stunned, >totally breathless and wanting more. "Ladies of the Canyon" and then "Blue" >but always "For the Roses" over and over for weeks. > >I felt like I had found the perfect score to my deep grief. > >I have often felt that if I met Joni today I would weep first for her >tenderness at underscoring my pain then dance for joy at her wisdom for >healing my sorrow. > >I am reluctant to join into the jargon et al for I cannot, conscientiously, >abbreviate what has touched my body, mind and soul. > >I've seen Joni in concert, once. Anaheim convention center, Court and Spark >era. She wore red chiffon. I will never forget how life was then, especially >that night. > >Joni Mitchell is the number one song writer, recording artist and performer of >my heart and soul. My children (all women, 15, 17 and 32) ask me to tell them >who my contemporary favorites are. I always recite Joni Mitchell as number >one. > >They are exploring new music techniques with the aid of computers and various >download processes. They have a wide variety of choices to view and review >new artists. > >When I was young you either got in the car and drove to the concert or hitch >hiked. You either stood in line and bought a ticket in advance or sneaked in >any way you could. > >My children have every affordable way to make and listen to music, and they do >it all. I'd like to thank Joni Mitchell for allowing me to let my children >explore their souls the way she allowed me, through beauty, tenderness and >spirit-filled love. Her artistry is a tribute to life. > >I haven't posted since September. I am building a cabin in the woods below >Yosemite and creating my own artist's haven. > >In the last year I have seen my children bury their father, watched my >soulmate painfully accept his family's decision to disown him, and I am now >moving our family home. > >I hope to keep posting when I have the opportunity. > >Love and Peace, Barbara Murray-Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:13:21 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: a heart like mary's It takes a heart like Mary's these days when I read posts from people who think "you're notches" makes sense in DITS! Can someone explain this before I plotz? It is so obvious to me that the man in the song is referring to the seventeen glasses/room full of glasses when he says to the woman that those are "your notches" -- the empty glasses from which she and/or he has been drinking too much Rhine wine. It's the only interpretation that makes sense to me. If you read it as the man saying something like, "You're just another notch in my belt," fine. But how does that make sense? No one ever says, "You're just notches in my belt" when referring to one person. Someone might say, "You're a notch in my belt, liberation doll," but no one would say, "You're notches in my belt, liberation doll." (Although someone could say, "See all these notches in my belt? Liberation dolls, every one of 'em!") Really. Sometimes you people drive me to drink! --Bob PS: And what's with using the word "seventeen" twice in this song? ("seventeen glasses" and "since I was seventeen.") Is it a Biblical thing, Mr Muller, like "1:15?" (I loved that spin on the lyrics, by the way.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:07:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Larry That Wild Russian WOW. Mikey just thanked Larry Klien on the AMA's. Go Larry! I didn't realize Dick had tapped him to be MD for the show. Whoo hoo, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:27:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dharma Beetle Subject: ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >>> West Coast mini-Tour! Just Announced! ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS Featuring: Alan Hertz (Garaj Mahal, KVHW) Drums & Skins Liam Hanrahan (Melvin Seals, Zero) Bass Tal Morris (Sons of Champlin) Guitars DJ Ohdee Turntables, effects, loops West Coast mini-Tour >>>> coming right up! 01/20/02 FOURTH STREET TAVERN  SAN RAFAEL, CA 01/23/02 THE IGUANA  REDWAY, CA 01/24/02 SISKIYOU BREWPUB  ASHLAND, OR 01/25/02 CHEERFUL TORTOISE  EUGENE, OR 01/26/02 FEZ BALLROOM  PORTLAND, OR 02/01/02 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA 02/02/02 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA Here are some links: Alan Hertz & Friends on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=5480 OYSTER-HERTZ show review on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=1163 For over the past year, Alan has been leading an ensemble of musicians under his own name. The group, which has simply been called Alan Hertz & Friends, has featured a partially revolving cast of some of the finest musicians hand picked from the Bay Area music scene. Centered around the musical interplay between bassist Liam Hanrahan, guitarist Tal Morris and Alan on drums, this group has found its stride with a careening wash of colorful sonic textures, and spot-on, slippery yet virulent grooves. The group is rounded out this time around with special guest, DJ Ohdee on turntables, effects, and loops. Fans of Garaj Mahal & KVHW certainly know whats in store when Alan takes the stage... Look for a night of blazing musical exploration tempered with some rock-solid, all-night booty shakin! BIO: In 1998, Alan began his involvement in a group that became known as KVHW. With it's blend of rock energy and a fiercely spirited, uplifting approach to group improvisation, combined with jazz, world, and rhythm & blues music, this group erupted onto the San Francisco Bay music scene. The genesis of this group came when two longtime collaborators Steve Kimock (Zero, The Other Ones, Phil & Friends) and Bobby Vega (Zero, Jefferson Starship, Quicksilver) put together a jam for a benefit show bringing in Frank Zappa alumnus Ray White and Alan. An enormous public outcry of support for this group soon followed. The group became popular as a nationally touring act throughout 1998-99.Unfortunately, things came to a close for KVHW in January of 2000. Presently, Alan spends his time as the drummer in yet another acclaimed musical project, Garaj Mahal. Featuring world renowned bassist Kai Eckhardt (John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Trilok Gurtu), Blue Note alumnus Fareed Haque on guitar and sitar-guitar (Sting, Joe Zawinul, Tony Williams), and Chicago-based keyboardist Eric Levy, this group has performed to enthusiastic audiences in the Northern California since its inception over a year ago. In addition to performing with KVHW, Alan has performed with a very healthy list of musicians. These artists include Merl Saunders, Les Claypool (Primus, Oysterhead), Trey Anastasio (Phish, Oysterhead), Ike Willis (Frank Zappa), Chip Roland (Zero), Martin Fierro (Zero), Henry Kaiser (Yo Miles!), Michael Manring (Yo Miles!), and Primitive Medicine (with Michael Carabello of Santana, Kai Eckhardt, Sykuru, Kit Walker & tabla player Eman), and James Rotondi (Air, Mr. Bungle), among others. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:27:49 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Spring With Tim & Mollie Les Wrote: Mollie (local Denver resident) and her brother Tim O'Brien also have put out what I think is the finest trilogy of Americana/Folk/Traditional albums ever. One can't go wrong by picking up any of their discs. Les NP: Tim and Mollie "When I Was A Cowboy" Dear Les: Yes...the brother sister duo is wonderful. I especially like their rendition of "When My Blue Moon Turns To Gold Again"...hmmm..that may be a good one for the Fest. LOL Lucky you to have Mollie in Colorado. She does not sing so much with Tim anymore though. Do they perform a lot in Colorado? Mollie will be coming here March 16th I believe to appear on A Prairie Home Companion. I only remember this because it follows the Diana Krall concert March 15!!! I was fortunate enough to be able to buy TWO tickets...for great seats. My friends are suddenly doing more favors for me. :) Another thing I like about Tim and Mollie is that they use an accordion in a number of their songs. :) I bought a brand new accordion. I call her the Tart because she is soooo flashy...red with jewels. (which should go well with Paz' pumps) And as you know Les, when you play an instrument...you are especially sensitive to its inclusion into a piece. Thank you Les for the reminder about Tim O'Brien. Love and Peace.......Sharon - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:44:48 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Feminist Reading "Sybil Skelton" said: Have you read Doris Lessing? It's been a very long time, but "The Golden Notebook" really changed my life once upon a time. Sybil The Golden Notebook is a wonderful book. I also liked "Practical Magic" by Alice Hoffman. Ms. Hoffman is one of my favorite writers. I especially enjoyed "The River King". I must have read it three times. :) To me...feminism is about empowering ourselves to see and hear what is often unseen and unheard...and to use the slivers of light and whispers of dust to help us be unafraid. Peace.......Sharon ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #10 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?