From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #5 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 005 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and religion [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Dancing Fool/Clown/Queen, whatever... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] That's an interesting position there, Bobster. [johnirving ] rickie & joni ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and religion Bob Murphy wrote: ("when Kilauren came to Joni's house for the first time she didn't touch it cause she's a vegetarian.") >> "Well, she *is* a little green!" Bob, Four Jewish ladies are playing a game of cards in Miami Beach. The first lady sighs. The second lady sighs and says, "Oy!" The third lady nods, sighs and says, "Oy vey!" The fourth lady chimes in: "Enough talk about the children already. Let's get back to the game." Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dancing Fool/Clown/Queen, whatever... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Just keep this in mind...with the possible exception > of Cheech & Chong (a novelty throw-in that works > splendidly) & the double tracked Indian voice in > DJRD, Joni never used other's vocals upfront in her > pre-Klein period, nor has she done so in her > post-Klein period. But lo & behold, on > WTRF/DED/CMIARS, we get all these duets and vocal > throw-ins with people who JUST HAPPENED to have big > hits at the time! What a coincidence! > > My hunches have always told me that behind the > scenes these pairings were not Joni's idea. If it > WAS a natural evolution, like she says, why does she > basically abandon the approach on her current > records? > You're probably right. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who does these other voices - it could be Jack the Janitor for that matter. They're usually minor parts of the song and so could be sung by anyone, so why drag all these different guys into the studio to record a line or two if not for marketing purposes? It was likely the Evil Klein's idea (gee, I wish Don Rowe hadn't left the list - please, Don, come back - we need you!) ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:07:14 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) At 1/3/2002 07:22 AM, Nuriel Tobias wrote: >I was wondering, is there a list with all JMDL folks email addresses? I've always felt that the list of people subbed to the list should be kept private - unless, of course, they choose to reveal themselves! Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) Thank you, Les. I understand. Respect, Nuriel - --- Les Irvin wrote: >At 1/3/2002 07:22 AM, Nuriel Tobias wrote: >>I was wondering, is there a list with all JMDL folks email addresses? > >I've always felt that the list of people subbed to the list should be kept >private - unless, of course, they choose to reveal themselves! >Les _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:35:23 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: That's an interesting position there, Bobster. My hunches have always told me that behind the scenes these pairings were not Joni's idea. If it WAS a natural evolution, like she says, why does she basically abandon the approach on her current records? Harlem in Havana could potentially have lots of vocal throw-ins, but it doesn't. Same with "Love Puts On A New Face"...lots of male parts in that one, but sung by Joni. Same with "Facelift" & "No Apologies". And guess what? The songs are better because of it... Interesting position, Bob. Not often I don't agree with your position because, god knows, you are so damned right most of the time. It's frightening really. -Thanks for your take on her albums the last few mails. I really enjoyed your insite. I think Joni's use of 'other' voices did arise out of her own convictions. For instance, her interest in using Jimmy Swaggert on DED. As much as I enjoy Rod Steiger in film and on this disk, using Jimmy Swaggert would have put DED into an entirely different realm as a protest record. It would run the risk of 'dating' the material, -and certainly the risk of legal action, that said, Swaggert would have put teeth into the disk more solid than the soft metaphor of using Rod. - --I have to say I loved reading that quote attributed to a miffed Steiger when Joan continually put in her 2 cents on his performance: "Larry, would you please get that woman out of here!" -Or something to that effect. I can sooo see that happening. Of course, it's the techno toys of Larry that help put her into this mode. Again, all that is mentioned in the Bio, like her benefit performance that leads to the Indian track on Lacota, seem to be at Joni's urging. There were 2 other DED mentions in the Bio that struck me as interesting: One, The mention that Thomas Dolby came into the project constructing and layering HIS production of the songs....and that none of his constructions were used. (Who says Joni was led about on this project?) And the other quote attributed to Larry Klein about what he liked most about Joni in recording: basically, that she always worked from what's best to convey each song. There was no formula or rote to the process. She would try something and if it didn't work, --on to something else. Anything and everything, but EVERYTHING to the service of conveying the power of a song. -I thought that was a marvelous insite into what makes Joni so vital to all of us; why her music unfolds in surprising ways; and why she's probably such an exhilarating bitch to work with. :-) On a side notes: I found it interesting that Lokota and Snakes and Ladders began as musical compositions Larry Klein wrote for someone else that Joni 'appropriated' because she like the music. I've often wondered how Joni went from 'open' guitar to 'open' piano. Part of it's easy, the hand takes on a particular spacing when playing a standard chord based on thirds. To 'open' the chords, all one would do is find different shapes. I would imagine Joni has particular hand shapes that she likes to use at the piano. -Is that possible? A few shapes would become 'home' and anchor her movement across the keyboard. - -I would imagine that's how Woodstock went from piano to guitar. Yes? Since she probably didn't transcribe it, what she did was take the root chord shape of Woodstock and set her guitar to that open chord and went for the rest from there. Is my sleuthing correct on this??? As for Dancing Clown: Quit being such a logical ol' fuddy duddy, Bobbo. You have to put your mind back into a carefree (?) sixteen mode. - -Happiness is the dance floor. Put on this disk. Search the closet for the old floods and grease the hair back. I'm positive this will open that song up for you. (Does the missus still have bobby socks?) - --Before I go, thanks to everyone for such a fun read with 2002 Vol. 4. Delightful joni jabber and not an ounce of rancor. You guys rock. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:03:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: my resume i simply must break the njc rule because i need to reach as many of you as possible. please bear with me and forgive me. i am aware that i am asking too big a favor of you but i have no other way of doing this. as you know, i am looking for an opportunity to leave argentina as soon as i can. the situation is extremely dramatic for me, and my livelihood, to say the least, is at stake. i have prepared a short version of my vitae -- i tried to fit 22 years of experience on only one page. i will post it to anyone that requests it. my only chance to leave this country is with a job offer. if you think that you might be able to help, please write to me and i will send you my vitae/resume. i hope you will pardon this intrusion. as it is, i am swallowing enough pride to inflate ten prima donnas by sending this message. thank you for your consideration. wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:41:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rickie & joni >>But I like RLj as much as Joni. blasphemy.<< not blasphemy, i think they both reflect different parts of our being...rlj being more emotional/ethereal & jm more emotional/cerebral ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #5 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?