From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #2 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 002 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- of an only child's world [shane ] Today's Articles: January 2 [les@jmdl.com] Your first 2002 Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Santa - red ot grey? (100%non-Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Joni for kids [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Annie Liebowitz [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni for kids [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni for kids [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni for kids [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Your first 2002 Joni ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Apology [Les Irvin ] RE: Your first 2002 Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] [none] [Alison E ] Re: Your first 2002 Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] The holly & the IV ["William Waddell" ] Joni and Amelia / my first 2002 resolution. ["brian symes" ] Re: Joni - ASCAP Founders Award ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Your first 2002 Joni [Michael Paz ] joni only child [shane ] belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake ["owen.] Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section on the JMDL site [] Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake [Mu] Lord of the Rings ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Your first 2002 Joni [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: ...a suggestion for a new section on theJMDL site [dsk ] two grey rooms, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:06:27 -0700 From: shane Subject: of an only child's world joni was an only child... michael benedikt poetically and beautifully describes the world of the only child at this site below, which i found to be very revealing to understanding a real part of joni mitchell: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/MichaelBenedikt/onlychld.html shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:36:37 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 2 On January 2 this article was published: 1995: "'The Difference' with Todd Rundgren" - The Difference (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/950102d.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Your first 2002 Joni Hi everyone, What's the first Joni song/album you've heard or going to hear in 2002? I thought and thought and then thought some more and decided that the best way for me to begin the 2002 Joni year will be listening to Hejira (the song) because it always brings tears to my eyes, and i think a good cry to begin this year with will later make a room for lots and lots of smiles. Love, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Santa - red ot grey? (100%non-Joni) Someone told me this morning that Santa, the guy in the red suit, was grey until coca-cola stepped in. Could someone shed a light on this Santa transformation for me? Thanks, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni for kids Hello again dear people, A good friend of mine named Leesa who is teaching children music-listening asked me what Joni songs would be a good choice. I told her it's a great idea (the kids listen to the songs, talk about the lyrics -they understand English very well and Leesa says they're all bright and wise - and they even dance to the music). I would love to know what you think about Joni's "children songs". Thank you all, Nuriel (the kid) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:00:43 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Annie Liebowitz This is truly a stunning picture of Joni. My close friend gave me a postcard of this for the holidays, and she was surprised, I think, at how incredibly pleased I was at a postcard! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:06:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni for kids My choice would be "Morning, Morgantown". I've always thought that would make a great kids' song. It's got a nice upbeat melody and there are lots of descriptive things that I think would appeal to kids. They could talk about the meanings of the lyrics and compare the descriptions in the song to what they know from their own lives. Joni could be talking to a lover, or she could be talking to a child. - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hello again dear people, > > A good friend of mine named Leesa who is teaching > children music-listening asked me what Joni songs > would be a good choice. I told her it's a great idea > (the kids listen to the songs, talk about the lyrics > -they understand English very well and Leesa says > they're all bright and wise - and they even dance to > the music). > I would love to know what you think about Joni's > "children songs". > > Thank you all, > > Nuriel (the kid) > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather > and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:18:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni for kids Chelsea Morning would be another good pick, what with the butterscotch imagery, milk toast & honey, etc. Lots of good visuals. Big Yellow Taxi has also been used to teach kids about endangered animal species. It's even been recorded with a child's vocal. Bob NP: Elvis/Bill Frisell, "Weird Nightmare" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:45:29 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni for kids In a message dated 1/2/02 9:07:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > My choice would be "Morning, Morgantown". I've always > thought that would make a great kids' song. This is my granddaughter Anastasia's favorite Joni song. If we're going on a long road trip, I've got to remember to have that CD in my CD changer for sure. She hates Joni, but she'll tolerate her first two albums. She's resentful of anything that takes my attention away from her, which includes you guys LOL! During her Hits and Misses interview, Joni says Circle Game replaced Old Mc Donald at summer camps. LOL! (thanks Bob) ~rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:35:12 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Your first 2002 Joni Nuriel i was up (way) past midnight New Year's so the first Joni I listened to in 2002 was the cd we were given at the 2001 Jonifest - a live recording made in London in 1967 (?). It has songs on it i had not heard before so i've been drinking it in full time...(I hope to learn one for this year's Jonifest). Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:44 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Your first 2002 Joni Hi everyone, What's the first Joni song/album you've heard or going to hear in 2002? I thought and thought and then thought some more and decided that the best way for me to begin the 2002 Joni year will be listening to Hejira (the song) because it always brings tears to my eyes, and i think a good cry to begin this year with will later make a room for lots and lots of smiles. Love, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:51:42 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Apology a lurker wrote: >You know, I am a 98% lurker on this board but I do >have to just say that this is one of the most >offensive emails that I've ever read. Shortly after the post in question was sent to the list, I made the decision to remove Paul from the JMDL. Please direct any further questions or comments about this matter privately to me rather than the list. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Your first 2002 Joni Donna wrote: "I was up (way) past midnight New Year's so the first Joni I listened to in 2002 was the cd we were given at the 2001 Jonifest - a live recording made in London...i've been drinking it in full time..." Oh Donna this is so lovely...So nightly and lovely and magical. I hope i will hear you sing it someday soon. Thank you. Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: [none] __________________________________________________ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:33:16 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Your first 2002 Joni In a message dated 1/2/2002 3:44:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, nuriel@wowmail.com writes: > What's the first Joni song/album you've heard or going to hear in 2002? > Nuriel, it wasn't by choice (although a good one) the first Joni song I listened to this year was "A Case of You". Since someone on the list mentioned that Sonic radio was no longer available and Launchcast.com is the new "make your own radio station", I plugged in all my musical likes here at work. Naturally I picked Joni as an artist I wanted to hear, and they just played "ACOY" followed by "Circle Game". Happy New Year to all, Jimmy, who made *NO* New Years resolutions and so far so good :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:42:04 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: The holly & the IV "'Tis the season to be Joni Tra la la la la la la la la" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:40:54 +0800 From: "brian symes" Subject: Joni and Amelia / my first 2002 resolution. I have my Daughter Amelia 1-1-99 hooked on Joni. When I pop in a tape with any Joni song she says right off so sweetly "Ame song" needless to say my two versions are on alot of tapes. I am afraid I have been lurking off in the Shire these last days as I reread The Lord of the Rings, The New Movie was up there with the likes of "Captain Blood and Robin Hood with Errol Flynn " It threw Star Wars chapter one down the Throat of Mount Doom and made Harry Potter lok like Muggles work My new Ent name is Cleargrain. - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:29:41 -0700 From: shane Subject: Joni - ASCAP Founders Award Read the lovely and insightful description of Joni and her work on a page marking for her the ASCAP Founders Award: http://www.ascap.com/membership/pop99-4.html I'm going to make a little link to this from my own Joni page: http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactussongjoni.html happy new year! shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:52:48 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni - ASCAP Founders Award Thanks, Shane, very insightful indeed. I've seen all those pictures, except the one at the very top. She is so stunning......it is now my wallpaper. Bree >From: shane >Reply-To: shane >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: cactussong@shaw.ca >Subject: Joni - ASCAP Founders Award >Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:29:41 -0700 > >Read the lovely and insightful description of Joni and her work on a page >marking >for her the ASCAP Founders Award: >http://www.ascap.com/membership/pop99-4.html >I'm going to make a little link to this from my own Joni page: >http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactussongjoni.html > >happy new year! > >shane _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:06:32 -0800 From: "Joe Gomez" Subject: two grey rooms Hey Shane thanks for the link (s) I just saw / heard two grey rooms , anyone , which recording is this song from ? I believe it might become one of my favorites ! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:06:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Your first 2002 Joni Thanks for the tip Jimmy I use to love My Sonic net (those bastards) I just tried to sign up at home and they don't support MAC format, but I will listen at work and when I do I will think of you (in that tight little pink halter top and the fuckme pumps). Love Ya Paz on 1/2/02 11:33 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/2002 3:44:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > nuriel@wowmail.com writes: > > >> What's the first Joni song/album you've heard or going to hear in 2002? >> > > Nuriel, it wasn't by choice (although a good one) the first Joni song I > listened to this year was "A Case of You". Since someone on the list > mentioned that Sonic radio was no longer available and Launchcast.com is the > new "make your own radio station", I plugged in all my musical likes here at > work. Naturally I picked Joni as an artist I wanted to hear, and they just > played "ACOY" followed by "Circle Game". > > Happy New Year to all, > Jimmy, who made *NO* New Years resolutions and so far so good :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:38:19 -0700 From: shane Subject: joni only child a fascinating subject; the poet i've cited described a world of wonder and exploration; as i have wandered through the city parks, by the rivers, to lakes and oceans -writing my poems and songs - i know that being an only child has been quite a gift in the discovery and development of my creativity. i have to agree, joni, the times you have mentioned when being an only child affected your creativity in a positive way: <> (http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/issue06/music.jmitchell.html) shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:22:38 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake Just a post to say a late Happy Christmas to all JMDLers, hope you had a good one, and didnt eat too much! I got the Karen O'Brien book for christmas, and was surprised to see that Turbulent Indigo was one of Woody Allen's favourite CDs of 1994. I *love* Woody Allen, and I *love* Joni (dont think theyd make a very good couple tho...:-)), so I was thrilled to read this - Woody is notorious for his criticism of popular culture and rock stars in particular, so to think that he rates our Joan tickles me pink! Owen p.s does anybody else like jim o'rourke or nick drake? np Sire of Sorrow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:39:35 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section on the JMDL site From time to time on the list, people write about coming across references to Joni in modern works of fiction. I posted something about a year ago when I stumbled upon a couple of Joni mentions in a book I would not recommend called _Pool Boy_ by someone whose name I've forgotten. And a few weeks ago, I think MG and/or Bree mentioned something about Joni in a trashy novel. So I got to thinking . . . if Les thinks it's a good idea, and if you all can let me know about Joni literary references you've come across, maybe we can add a new section to the JMDL devoted to Joni mentions in fiction. I would be glad to volunteer to take on the project. I think it's pretty impressive that so many writers have been choosing to include Joni in their stories lately. For example, today I was reading a short story by Roddy Doyle, the Irish author of such great novels as _The Commitments_, _The Van_, and _The Snapper_ (which comprise his Barrytown Trilogy and have all been made into movies), plus _Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha_, and _A Star Called Henry_. I have transcribed most of the paragraph in which Joni appears below, but before I get to that I'd like to tell you a little bit about the short story collection in which Doyle's story appears. Edited by Nick Hornby, author of _High Fidelity_ (which was also made into a film that had a memorable scene that involved Joni), the book is called _Speaking with the Angel_. Hornby decided to put the collection together after being inspired by the success of Bono's Jubilee 2000 campaign, which was created to reduce the Third World's debt to the West. The purpose of the book is to raise funds for Hornby's autistic son's school -- called TreeHouse - -- in London. If you purchase the book in the UK, one pound goes to the school, and if you buy it in the US, two dollars from the cost of the book will be split between TreeHouse and a similar school in Queens called the New York Child Learning Institute. Hornby writes in the introduction about the experience of parenting an autistic child and the difficulties in finding schools for these children, which is what led him and other parents of autistic children to establish TreeHouse. Anyway, I digress. But my point is, if you buy this book, it's for a very good cause. The other news is, the book is great. I love modern fiction, but I am no big fan of short stories because I have thought for years that the format pretty much died out about 50 years ago. Well, Hornby has gathered some of the funniest writers out there for a short story collection that is a very entertaining -- sometimes even laugh-out-loud-funny -- read from beginning to end. The writers are mainly British, although there are some Irish and American writers in the mix. Besides Hornby and Doyle, the book features Zadie Smith (_White Teeth_), Dave Eggers (_A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius_), Helen Fielding (_Bridget Jones's Diary_), Giles Smith (Midnight in the Garden of Evel Knievel_), Jonh O'Farrell (_The Best a Man Can Get_), and Melissa Bank (_The Girls' Guide to Hunting and Fishing_), among others. The Roddy Doyle story with Joni in it is called "The Slave." Here's about one third of the paragraph in which her name appears: "I bought a CD today. I went down to Virgin during the break. I was going to get one of the old ones, something I loved but didn't have on CD. Dylan or Bob Seger or the Eagles or Bob Marley or Joni Mitchell -- I could go on forever. But I didn't. I had "Blue" and "Blood on the Tracks" in my hand -- I was going to get the both of them. But I didn't. I went for something completely new. I bought an album by Leftfield, this band that isn't really a band. They're a pair of young lads who do this sampling and mixing, you know. Robbing other people's ideas and making their own thing out of it . . ." Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:45:10 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake In a message dated 1/2/02 8:40:35 PM, owen.duff@ntlworld.com writes: << Woody is notorious for his criticism of popular culture and rock stars in particular, so to think that he rates our Joan tickles me pink! >> And he's also a jazz musician, among other aledged things! ;-) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:20:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Lord of the Rings We went to see it last night & I am glad I read Victor's review to prepare me for a major dissapointment after reading so many good reviews of this movie. Even though it has been decades since I have read these books & I hardly remembered any details, I agree 100% with Victor. Yes, the sets were beautiful, the special effects amazing, but it was all about action & no character development & barely even any story at all which is a big shame. It seemed mostly about how great they could make the special effects, whether they were neccessary or not...sometimes they were overdone like a record that has been overproduced. You notice the effects rather than being carried away by the movie. A visual treat but really just another very two dimensional action flick with a few poetic lines thrown in here & there. However, I have never in my life seen such SCARY evil characters...that part was exceptional. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:41:29 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Your first 2002 Joni Have listened today to DED and WTRF and Have CMIARS ready. I've been intrigued by the discussion of the merits of DED and decided to relisten so I can contribute intelligently. WTRF is sonically very clean and very jazzy. Didn't remember that about it. Do still enjoy most of the songs on WTRF. DED is disappointing. I do like Shiny Toys, but the rest leaves me very flat. I've always liked CM, but it's been a while. Back to lurkdom Fauchja NP: 18th Avenue Cat Stevens -er- Yusuf Islam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:07:22 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: ...a suggestion for a new section on theJMDL site Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > So I got to thinking . . . if Les thinks it's a good idea, and if you all can > let me know about Joni literary references you've come across, maybe we can > add a new section to the JMDL devoted to Joni mentions in fiction. I would be > glad to volunteer to take on the project. Great idea, Bob. I suggest that it not be limited to Joni mentions in fiction, but be expanded into more of a "Joni in the World" idea, and include things like mentions of Joni's phrases in news articles ("paved paradise", for example, is often used without mention of Joni), and photos of her influence, such as the windows of Henri Bendel, a high-priced department store here in NYC, that were decorated a couple years ago with the theme "we are stardust, we are golden"; the phrase was written across the windows facing Fifth Avenue (such an unexpected use of those "hippy" words). Another example were the windows of a downtown Janovic Plaza, a home decorating chain, that had decorated each window in a different color; a centerpiece of the blue window was the Blue album cover. A friend told me about the "Blue" window so I didn't actually see that one, and didn't take photos of either display, but it occurred to me in both instances that it would be good to have a place to keep a record of such Joni-influence in our culture, especially when she's not directly given credit for it. What do you think, Bob? Les? Any other ideas? And, here's wishing everyone a happy new year! I hope and pray that 2002 is a year of growth and happiness for us all. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:14:56 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: ...a suggestion for a new section on theJMDL site In a message dated 1/2/02 9:59:52 PM, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Great idea, Bob. I suggest that it not be limited to Joni mentions in fiction, but be expanded into more of a "Joni in the World" idea >> Hi, Debra: I did think that maybe this proposed new Joni section could include mentions in fiction AND films, but I dunno . . . Your suggestions could keep me as busy as "Covers" Muller! Although I do think it would be cool to document media references and things like window displays. I bet you could even track down photos of the displays you mentioned, since most window dressers I've ever known -- and let's face it, I've known a few -- keep portfolios of their work. Anyway, now that we've put our ideas out there, let's see what Les and the gang think. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:17:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: First Joni of 02 I have a confession to make. I haven't listened to any Joni all year. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:55:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: two grey rooms, 100% JC Joe Gomez said, >>>I just saw / heard two grey rooms , anyone , which recording is this song from? I believe it might become one of my favorites ! Joe >>> "Two Grey Rooms" appears on 1.) a 1991 video compilation from Geffen called, "Come In From The Cold". 2.) a 1991 CD called: "Night Ride Home". 3.) Joni discussed it on BBC Radio's "My Top 12" program. She played a tape of a piano-only 'snippet' version under a working title, "Speechless", before she found the story. 4.) She's talked about untaping a freshly tuned grand piano for a single take of "Speechless" in at least one other interview. '......and ya know there may be more'. Yeah, great tune. And it's *not* a coincidence that it's another piano tune, right Michael Paz? Lama, checking in from Joni-only digest [Possibly for the first time, a defector from the petty.... well, hell, you know..... :) ] ps. For the 3 people still reading, I'll remind you that I'll make a stereo VHS tape of "Come In From The Cold" and/or "Refuge Of The Roads" on a blanks/postage basis. These are both out of print. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #2 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?