From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 001 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe [Guajillo@aol.com] Apology ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Joni's bravery in song ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni's bravery in song [Michael Paz ] Re: Apology [cecelia sonsini ] Apology ["Ron Greer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:47:27 EST From: Guajillo@aol.com Subject: onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:07:31 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Apology Subject: Apology NJC Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 09:46:38 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Organization: Buffington Law Office To: joni@smoe.org Paul wrote: "Sharon, It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a message sent to you privately without permission of the person who sent it to you. Apparently you are not a person to be trusted." My response: Dear Paul: I owe you an apology. My initial response to your post that we use NJC for the "Save Wally discussion" was that you were being needlessly unkind given the situation in Argentina and our concerns for Wally. Once I expressed this opinion to the list you sent me a private missive whereby you confirmed your unkindness. That notwithstanding, I believe you purposefully tried to influence my perspective by telling me negative things about Wally as a means to justify your position. When you do such a thing it is insulting. Not just to Wally but to all of us who love and care about another person. It is one thing to share a concern about another person privately. However, when you sacrificed Wally in order to justify your position, I did not find that honorable. When you do such a thing with me you are correct...I am "not a person to be trusted". And I will not let such a thing occupy my private world. You have reacted to my posting of your missive by calling forth your sense of privacy. I find that this "sense of privacy" is often the concealment of what conflicts with our self-image and which so often cuts us off from understanding and help. Being in my profession I am a great keeper of secrets. Within my private life friends confide in me because I do not jeopardize them. However, your "netiquette" missive is unpersuasive and fails to guilt me into silence. I will not passively conceal your unsolicited invasion of my world or be stuck with the barbs you so very surreptitiously issued toward Wally. I will talk. You are correct I am "not a person to be trusted". Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:17:17 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? >>It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' songs<< ok, i can come up with River and Facelift - but as for #3 does something bad happen in Chinese Cafe? and what is #4? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:10:00 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Yes ... I always thought that the Christmas season was a catalyst that fueled Joni's melancholia in "Chinese Cafe". I find myself at this point now in life ("we look like our mother's did now when we were those kids age"). I don't think Joni meant this literally but as a reference in time as in "nothing lasts for long". Heather At 04:15 PM 12/31/01 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >LOL, Catherine... > >That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her >writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live >up to the hype. > >Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", >except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against >her own melancholia? > >I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's >that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. >Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a >microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. > >Bob > >NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:22:11 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? If this Christmas CD truly comes to be, I would hope she would include "Gift of the Magi" as well; a very early song and somewhat sad as well. Best wishes to all for a happy 2002! Gary J.David Sapp wrote: > > >>It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' > songs<< > > ok, i can come up with River and Facelift - but as for #3 does something bad > happen in Chinese Cafe? and what is #4? > peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:48:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology Geez, and I could swear you said: " I do not intend to carry this discussion any further. " That was some apology. Now, taking it and stick it up your ass with the rest of the shit you've been spewing! There's no need to discuss this any further. You've already proved you an untrustworthy liar. You'll only lower everyone's opinion of you everytime you add anything else. I had not posted anything more on this and will not unless you persist in embarrassing yourself further. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:11:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Does Joni hate Christmas? I've started this before, so maybe this one will "work" as we used to say in photo crits. As with everything else in her body of work, Joni appears to me to be mightily ambivilant about Christmas. While she appears to have had a happy childhood, in Karen's book we don't hear about that very much. As relates to Christmas, we hear about the one Christmas when she was battling polio and made a "promise" to the power behind the power behind the angels and lights on her hospital room's tree. She hasn't written about the presumed joys of giving to her grandchildren. Anyway, she's but one person, albiet a supremely gifted one. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:43:25 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: John Kelly and Joni You'll find some offbeat photos of John Kelly in drag as Joni at this site, inclding a snapshot of Joni posing with Johni. Enjoy! http://www.queenmother.tv/nycgirl/john/john.html Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:59:17 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni's bravery in song Sherelle......very nice post with a lovely sentiment&written so well. Some food for thought for me:Joni and bravery. I had never thought about bravery when I think of Joni.....but I think you may have something. Bree > >In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced >with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a >deliberate >act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on >the >CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and >introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and >over >because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the >catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through >from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else >understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. > >I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in >song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the >contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple >honesty. > >It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind >and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really >don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with >life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. > >Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:04:49 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's bravery in song Been there---- done that!! Thanks for the reminder. I always turn her way for truth and for peace. Glad you got to spend time with your daughter. family is so important to me too and of course the holidays are always a bittersweet time for me. Michael on 12/31/01 8:07 PM, RobSher50@aol.com at RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > I had a bad day last week. My daughter left to go back to Connecticut and > there was such a huge hole in my heart. As I looked at the air bed where she > slept (only have one real bed) and at the shower gel she accidentally left > behind. everything seemed to start falling apart. It got to the point where > it became hard to cope. You may know how the downward spiral goes. First it's > one thing, and then everything becomes hopeless and futile. > > In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced > with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a deliberate > act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on the > CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and > introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and over > because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the > catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through > from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else > understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. > > I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in > song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the > contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple > honesty. > > It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind > and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really > don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with > life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: Re: Apology You know, I am a 98% lurker on this board but I do have to just say that this is one of the most offensive emails that I've ever read. I don't know anything about either one of the people involved in this "battle" but, given this email, my opinion of this guy Paul is far in the toilet. If this is the kind of garbage that you spew, Paul, then you deserve everything that's been making it's way around this list. - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Geez, and I could swear you said: > " I do not intend to carry this discussion any > further. " > > That was some apology. Now, taking it and stick it > up your ass with the rest > of the shit you've been spewing! > There's no need to discuss this any further. You've > already proved you an > untrustworthy liar. You'll only lower everyone's > opinion of you everytime > you add anything else. > I had not posted anything more on this and will not > unless you persist in > embarrassing yourself further. > > Paul I Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:07:05 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Apology hi >>paul i wrote >>all sorts of stuff not worth repeating... im not too sure that i "get" the joni content in this message?? please remember your NJC tags and apologise to the rest of the joni onlys... :-) ron ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #1 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?