From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 1 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 403 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wally [RobSher50@aol.com] RE: Wally ["Chris Marshall" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Feliz_A=F1o_Nuevo?= ["Edgardo Viegas" ] H.elping Wally - an e-mail list ["Chris Marshall" ] DED redux ["J.David Sapp" ] Paul's private missive ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Joni and The Buckleys [Jerry Notaro ] Joni & Wally ["William Waddell" ] Re: Joni and Mark Eitzel [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Feliz_Aņo_Nuevo [Catherine McKay ] Joni News circa 1975 ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) ["] To everyone. Including Joni [" Russell Bowden" ] Re: Joni & Wally [Mags N Brei ] Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Feliz Aņo Nuevo ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: DED redux ["J.David Sapp" ] Joni's bravery in song [RobSher50@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:44:07 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Dear Kate, I think this is an excellent idea. My heart breaks as I wish I could contribute more, but I am very unemployed at the moment. I would be willing to give a few bucks anyway because I believe so strongly that Wally must get out of their and start a new life with more freedom and liberty. Please let me know if this is a go and Wally, please let us know if you are willing to leave that place. Love, Sherelle In a message dated 12/31/2001 12:03:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:55:49 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: wally > > i am not marking this njc because i want everyone to read this.. > > wally, i am really concerned for you & wonder if it would be best if you > left.. > > jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch of us jmdlers chipping in & > > purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... > > is this naive of us to view this as something you could or would want to > do? > > i am on digest so messages get to me late...if anyone wants to comment on > this, please cc me on the post... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:34:24 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Wally Paul, Glad you're clearly as concerned as the rest of us. I count a grand total of 11 mails entitled "Wally" all of which are short and to the point. Is it really such a chore to delete or file these, given the seriousness of the situation and the fact that many people on the list would like do something to help? - --Chris Steve Epstein:- > > Wally is fine! IVPaul:- > Wonderful. > Can you please now start using the NJC tag for the Rescue > Wally discussion? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:32:10 -0300 From: "Edgardo Viegas" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Feliz_A=F1o_Nuevo?= Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en que el maqana sera mejor para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero desearles a todos los miembros de JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:12:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Annie Liebowitz photo of Joni In a message dated 12/30/01 9:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > There is lush green foliage all around her. She is wearing a loose > brown woven-looking garment with her hair hanging very naturally around her > face. She is looking off to her right, away from the camera. Very little > if > any makeup. Holding a cigarette, of course. The effect of the picture is > sad, haunting and yet comforting all at the same time. Mark and all: I've uploaded the photograph of Joni to Catgirl's Jonimitchellfans@yahoogroups.com as well as the Northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com for those of you who aren't subscribed to either, email me and I'll send you the file. I've placed it in the Files section, rather than sending it as an email attachment. Want to warn you though, it's a large file. I only scanned one page of the photo as it extends over to a second page. Damn, I would have framed it if this wasn't the case. For those of you interested in Annie's book of photographs,"WOMEN" you can find it at almost any Borders. I believe I paid around $45.00 for it. A dollar well spent. All of the photos are beautiful, she's one of my heroes. Enjoy and Happy New Year ~love, rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:22:19 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Sorrow Dear Paul: It was with the greatest of sorrow that I read your message referring to our concerns for Wally as the "Rescue Wally discussion". That notwithstanding, to be so focused on a minute detail such as marking our discussion with NJC does not seem to reflect your finer points. Oh, technically Paul, you are correct. Stephen did not mark his missive with NJC. But it would seem the bigger person would overlook such an 'infraction' when we are talking about Wally's life. The most helpful suggestion I could make to you is for you to subscribe to the Only Joni list. That way none of us will burden you with infractions. And for Stephen...count me in brother. Tell me what we need to do. And thank you for so kindly contacting Wally and giving our list an update. Love and Peace........Sharon....who is busy making apple butter and apple sauce....and savoring some of the honey from her bee-girls. Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:17:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally In a message dated 12/31/01 12:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, sepstein@agmont.com writes: > Wally is fine! Wonderful. Can you please now start using the NJC tag for the Rescue Wally discussion? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:33:32 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: H.elping Wally - an e-mail list This is not marked NJC so that any one on the whole list may opt-in to this. This is the only NJC posting that will occur to advertise this. I have set up an e-mail list that anyone may join to discuss ways to help Wally to leave Argentina. You can sub.scribe by sending an e-mail to majordomo@secure-si.co.uk with a blank subject line and the words subscribe helpwally as the only text in the message body. My list server does not allow a single-shot subscription - to prevent malicious subscription of an e-mail address by a third party. Therefore, you will get two messages back from the list server. One will just tell you the results of the message you just sent:- [ Start of e-mail ] Subject: Majordomo results subscribe helpwally **** Your request to Majordomo@secure-si.co.uk: **** **** subscribe helpwally chris@secure-si.co.uk **** **** must be authenticated. To accomplish this, another **** request must be **** sent in with an authorization key, which has been sent to: **** Subject: DED redux i listened to DED for the first time in about 4 years last nite, it sounded better than i recall - some great melodies & lyrically it seems quite prophetic in light of recent events. HAPPY NEW YEAR and remember HAPPINESS IS THE BEST FACELIFT. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:58:24 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Paul's private missive I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to carry this discussion any further. "I AM a Joni-Only subscriber, and I let the first dozen or so posts about Wally pass without comment, but as a Joni-only reader, I do not want to have to read about what is developing into the "continuing saga" of Wally K. In part that is because I know of several (at least three) good people who felt they had to leave the JMDL because of private messages they received from WallyK they could only describe as "sick." And I personally had to block any direct incoming e-mails from his address because of some vicious personal attacks he directed at me in private e-mails. Maybe he is schizo or something, but I personally want nothing to do with him ever and am not interested in reading about his "rescue." Please adhere to the rules about use of NJC regarding him or any other non-Joni thread. Thank you, Paul I" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:53:35 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul's private missive In a message dated 12/31/01 11:49:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > > I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to > carry this discussion any further. > > Sharon, It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a message sent to you privately without permission of the person who sent it to you. Apparently you are not a person to be trusted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:13:29 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni and Mark Eitzel Just finished reading Shadows and Light. While the book is a quick and interesting read, it certainly is not the definitive biography, since Joan, the person, largely eludes O'Brien. Instead we are escorted through Joni's career to date as musician and painter. This tidbit caught my eye from Appendix One - A Mitchell Miscellany. Joni claims she is a huge fan of San-Francisco based singer-songwriter Mark Eitzel. Here is a link to Mark Eitzel's musical offerings on CD NOW, complete with sound samples. http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=785166706/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/pops earch.html/clickID=tn_srch_txt Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:55:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and The Buckleys from Dream Brother: The Lives and Music of Jeff and Tim Buckley by David Browne: Moorhead's (Jeff's stepfather) VW camper panel van was equipped with a stereo, and Scotty (Jeff) would often fall asleep next to the speakers as Led Zeppelin and the Doors blared, the music becoming implanted into his subconscious. Mary (Jeff's mother), meanwhile, introduced her son to the music of Barbra Streisand, Carole King, and Joni Mitchell- "your basic drag-queen music diet," he would later crack to a reporter - and played Bach, Chopin, and Mendelssohn on the living-room piano. Jerry np: David Blue - The Gasman Won't Buy Your Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:08:29 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Joni & Wally Here's the JC. I love Joni Mitchell. She's the best. My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. I love Joni Mitchell. We love Wally. IVPaul wrote and I quote; I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc any news to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too much bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' given the circumstances ... Willy the Shake "Wally is our child ... " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:11:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Mark Eitzel I imagine the only AUTHORITATIVE biography is going to be the AUTObiography! ;~) Neat to see that she likes Eitzel...I've tried to get into his stuff, from way back in the American Music Club days, but it just hasn't clicked for me yet. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Alison" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Feliz_Aņo_Nuevo Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo! - --- Edgardo Viegas wrote: > Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en > que el maqana sera mejor > para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero > desearles a todos los miembros de > JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. > > > > EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:48:00 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni News circa 1975 Hey all, I spent some time with new music friends in Louisville, Kentucky. A recording engineer/guitarist named Phil played in a pickup band on the East Coast in '75. He belonged to a loose affiliation of jazz folks attached to Wolftrap amphitheater. He was hired to support an East Coast tour, in place of the L.A. Express for a certian Canadian-American singer/songwriter. He never talked to her directly and doesn't remember who was the musical director who acted as Joni's liason. Phil also played clarinet on "Real Good, For Free" on that tour for that same songwriter. Neat huh? My first friend who's played with her. He said he used to have a tape around somewhere of one of the shows but he said that the sound quality is seriously lacking. News as it happens. (Yes, this is a true story.) Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:21:54 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) Hey Guy, Thanks for sending that, i enjoyed it a lot. I've always loved Neil. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Guy Brown Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:33 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) I remastered the best sounding copy of this rare song I could find in my collection. If you haven't heard this you should. Download it from www.rain.org\~guyb Save the file NY Sweet Joni Live 1971.MP3 to your local machine. Its about 3MB in size, and is made as a 192K MP3 which, frankly sounds as good as the original. All the recordings I could find all seem to come from the same performance - 1971 (?) Bakersfield, CA. It is an audience recording, and before the song NY tells the audience he has never played this song before to anyone. Perhaps this is the one and only performance of it in existence. Maybe some NY expert can enlighten me. I'll leave the MP3 up at rain.org for a week or so. Enjoy. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Here's a ring for your finger. It looks like the sun but feels like the moon. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Don't go, don't go too soon. Who lives in an old hotel? Near the ancient ruins. Only time can tell, time can tell. Go easy the doorman said. The floor is slippery. So watch your head. The message read. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Here's a ring for your finger. It shines like the sun but feels like the moon. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Don't go, don't go too soon. Lyrics by Neil Young (c) Broken Arrow Music 1971 Merry Xmas and a happy, happy new year to all at JMDL from GUY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:48:53 -0800 From: " Russell Bowden" Subject: To everyone. Including Joni Gang, Wishing you all a very Happy New Year. We have a new Joni recording to look forward to, so it's already great! Love, Russ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni & Wally and here is my Joni content...I love Joni too. .. because of Joni, Brei and I "are". Um...lets see.. we have spent every day of our holiday for the past two weeks talking about Joni... I am Canadian, so is Joni... I think this community is the most amazing, loving, caring group of people that I have known, ever. For everyone to reach out and touch the situation Wally is in is so moving. Paul, Im very sorry for you if you cant see the purpose behind the NJC for this issue with Wally. Wally...my home is open to you... Canada welcomes refugees so let me know what you think. Mi futon es tu futon. And I am serious...for as long as you need it. love, sistah magsie and the duck. xo - --- William Waddell wrote: > Here's the JC. > I love Joni Mitchell. > She's the best. > My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. > My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. > I love Joni Mitchell. > We love Wally. > > IVPaul wrote and I quote; > discussion? > Thanks.> > > I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc > any news > to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too > much > bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' > given > the circumstances ... > Willy the Shake > "Wally is our child ... " ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni & Wally and here is my Joni content...I love Joni too. .. because of Joni, Brei and I "are". Um...lets see.. we have spent every day of our holiday for the past two weeks talking about Joni... I am Canadian, so is Joni... I think this community is the most amazing, loving, caring group of people that I have known, ever. For everyone to reach out and touch the situation Wally is in is so moving. Paul, Im very sorry for you if you cant see the purpose behind the NJC for this issue with Wally. Wally...my home is open to you... Canada welcomes refugees so let me know what you think. Mi futon es tu futon. And I am serious...for as long as you need it. love, sistah magsie and the duck. xo - --- William Waddell wrote: > Here's the JC. > I love Joni Mitchell. > She's the best. > My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. > My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. > I love Joni Mitchell. > We love Wally. > > IVPaul wrote and I quote; > discussion? > Thanks.> > > I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc > any news > to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too > much > bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' > given > the circumstances ... > Willy the Shake > "Wally is our child ... " ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:01:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Yes. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:15:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? LOL, Catherine... That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:15:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? LOL, Catherine... That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > LOL, Catherine... > > That one actually flew off before I could write it. I knew that - I was just havin' fun with ya! > But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is > just one more thing that doesn't live up to the > hype. > > Why else would she throw the Christmas reference > into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast > of the supposed joy of the season against her own > melancholia? > I agree. And River is the ultimate Christmas downer (in a way). "It's coming on Christmas/They're cutting down trees/ They're putting up reindeer/ And singing songs of joy and peace/ Oh, I wish I had a river I could skate away on..." It's not about the wonderful Christmas tree and how pretty it is - it's about cutting down trees. And putting up reindeer? Sounds like maybe they're being crucified! (Maybe I'm going too far with that - depends on what kind of a mood I'm in at the time!) There's also kind of a bitterness in her voice when she sings that song - and then, she wants to just skate away from it all. Jeez, what a great song for bringing out the melancholy! The other day, they were playing something they call disc-lexia on one of our local radio stations, and they played Robert Downey Jr's version of River - when he sings "they're cutting down trees", it really sounds like "they're cutting down cheese!" which kind of ruins the mood - however, if you have a sick sense of humour, it works. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:36:34 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Paul's private missive Good move Sharon. Waste of time anyway. Mack > I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to > carry this discussion any further. > > "I AM a Joni-Only subscriber, and I let the first dozen or so posts > about Wally pass without > comment, but as a Joni-only reader, I do not want to have to read about > what is developing into > the "continuing saga" of Wally K. > In part that is because I know of several (at least three) good people > who felt they had to leave > the JMDL because of private messages they received from WallyK they > could only describe as > "sick." > And I personally had to block any direct incoming e-mails from his > address because of some > vicious personal attacks he directed at me in private e-mails. > Maybe he is schizo or something, but I personally want nothing to do > with him ever and am > not interested in reading about his "rescue." > Please adhere to the rules about use of NJC regarding him or any other > non-Joni thread. > Thank you, > Paul I" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:57:36 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Not exactly. I think her feeling about Christmas are quite complex, really. I've always felt that Joni has an amazing intuitiveness and understanding of the emotional impact of Christmas to some - the hopefulness and wistfulness, comingled with tradition and melancholy. These expressive elements in her music and writing are part of what has drawn me to her. The feelings she imbues "River" and "Facelift" with, for example. This time of year represents major milestones in Joni's life. From her "Rolling Stone" interview with Cameron Crowe in 1979: "I guess I really started singing when I had polio. Neil {Young} and I both got polio in the same Canadian epidemic. I was nine, and they put me in a polio ward over Christmas. They said I might not walk again and that I would not be able to go home for Christmas. I wouldn't go for it. So I started to sing Christmas carols, and I used to sing them real loud. When the nurse came into the room I would sing louder. The boy in the bed next to me, you know, used to complain. And I discovered I was a ham. That was the first time I started to sing for people." I'm super-anxious for Joni to go forward with her promised Christmas album. Remember that? From an interview with Hotpress in April 2000: "Indeed, Mitchell says her latest album (BSN) is the first in a trilogy. The next will feature her own songs in a symphonic setting. And the third album will take her all the way back to the moment she first discovered music while hospitalised as a child, and is tentatively titled Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas. Cynical? You bet. "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' songs, four secular Christmas songs and four carols. I want to make a play out of it," she explains." She also has said she likes to gift people on Christmas. From a radio interview with Lindey Moon in '88: DJ: You are an accomplished painter. You've had exhibitions. By the way, what do you do with your pictures? Do you just keep them all at home? JM: Yeah -- you know, I was reluctant to put a price on their head for many years. But at the end of every graphic project, putting together the albums, we would have -- Glen Christiansen, who is my art director and I -- we would have bits and pieces that we felt were fine art as opposed to commercial art. So we would make a limited edition. This limited edition was traditionally paid for by the record company. We would then split the pieces fifty-fifty. They would give them out at Christmas to their A mailing list people, and I would give mine away to friends. And I enjoyed this process of being able to give my work at Christmastime, and, you know, if I go into the homes of my friends, this is all prominently displayed, whereas the A mailing list people began to sell theirs. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? I say - give Joni a fine early morning sunrise by the seaside or a blue moonlight to gaze at on a clear summer night where streams of water run, add a drink and a smoke - and it's a holiday to her. Just the other day i told my friend Josh from Michigan something like "I was born in Nazareth and i still don't understand how could anyone from Nazareth become Jesus. Christian folks should come and check out the folks in Nazareth, it'll make 'em doubt the whole holly thing!" hehe. But it's true, you know. If someone from Nazareth could become Jesus, then i'm telling you, the sky is the limit for each and everyone of us! When i was a child and the christian pilgrims came to our town, folks used to sell them cans and jars and boxes with air and water from the hollyland. So help me God, it was sold so fast! Jesus, we nearly ran out of air and water here! hehe. So if you want some, don't be too shy - Email me and i'll send you some holly air and water from Israel - the jars are on the house! Happy new year!!! Nuriel - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >LOL, Catherine... > >That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. > >Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? > >I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. > >Bob > >NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:14:47 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: DED redux I bought DED recently.....something I had been putting off doing. (used at one those Buy-Sell-Trade places) Like the sentiment for my mother:She could do no wrong,I always was able to say this about Joni.. UNTIL DED. DED just leaves me COLD. I miss the warm Joni,I miss the melodic Joni. Lyrically:A little too preachy. While I think "Smokin" is clever;her using a cigarette machine as a percussion instrument......"she do play it well" Someone posted, I believe recently, that a track on DED was one, if not the most beautiful song she has ever written melodically. Which track are you referring to? I don't enjoy her voice on most of the tracks,something I really thought I would never utter about Joni. Her voice seems forced and too harsh throughout. On The Three Great Stimulants she sounds like K T Oslin (sp)........and this brings back bad memories because an X always played K T . (not Joni's fault) And while I'm at it.....I hate the way she looks on the album!! Although I think this was intentional/designed on her part. Maybe,David,I'll give it another go in four years and see if anything on my part has changed? Bree >i listened to DED for the first time in about 4 years last nite, it sounded >better than i recall - some great melodies & lyrically it seems quite >prophetic in light of recent events. >HAPPY NEW YEAR and remember HAPPINESS IS THE BEST FACELIFT. >peace, david _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:26:54 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Feliz Aņo Nuevo En Madrid muchas personas van a la puerta del Sol un poco antes de la medianoche. A proposito,yo prefiero traer el ano nuevo en mi casa. Hasta Luego, Bree > >Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en que el maqana sera >mejor >para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero desearles a todos los miembros >de >JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. > > > EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:45:24 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: DED redux >>I hate the way she looks on the album!! Although I think this was intentional/designed on her part.>> yes i think one of the many problems with DED is the jarring cover art - and i suppose the music could make one tear their hair out. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:07:50 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Joni's bravery in song I had a bad day last week. My daughter left to go back to Connecticut and there was such a huge hole in my heart. As I looked at the air bed where she slept (only have one real bed) and at the shower gel she accidentally left behind. everything seemed to start falling apart. It got to the point where it became hard to cope. You may know how the downward spiral goes. First it's one thing, and then everything becomes hopeless and futile. In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a deliberate act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on the CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and over because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple honesty. It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. Sherelle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #403 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?