From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #390 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 390 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JM SAM SIB [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: "By the time we got to woodstock, I'd already written the song..." [] Re: notches liberation doll ["Marian" ] Today in Joni History: December 18 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Jonifest CD Tree [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Jonifest CD Tree [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Elvis and Lucinda [VLJC] [Long] [Scott and Jody ] Re: Jonifest CD Tree [Julius Raymond ] Joni @ Duke in '74; Judy -- Both Sides Now; Africa/Ethiopia ["Timothy Spo] Vanilla Sky and Joni References [Lazyasz@aol.com] Stuart Adamson [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] wot?? ["Wally Kairuz" ] The concept of Concept Albums ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: The concept of Concept Albums [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The concept of Concept Albums ["Laurent Olszer" ] Computer applications Word, Excel and Access [Garret ] Re: The concept of Concept Albums [Booger Rhinotush ] Re: Joni @ Duke in '74; Judy -- Both Sides Now; Africa/Ethiopia ["mack wa] Re: Bread & Roses'80 (#372) [Randy Remote ] Re: Jonifest CD Tree [Michael Paz ] Re: Bread & Roses'80 (#372) [Richard Goldman ] dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody ["Wally Kairuz" ] Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply ["hell" ] Re: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody [Michael Paz Subject: JM SAM SIB Hello jmdlers, and greetings from the land of Ultralurk. Am emerging from the dark recesses before its too late to inform/remind Seattle listers that the portraits from Annie Leibowitz's "Woman" are currently on display at the Seattle Art Museum. Recently took an intensive software course, and was discussing music with the woman at the computer next to me, and as all roads lead to Joan , I mentioned JM, and my classmate lit right up and exclaimed "The most beautiful portrait in the Annie Leibowitz exhibit is Joni Mitchell's!" So if any of you Northwesterners want to gaze upon the most beautiful portrait for yourself, the exhibit is at SAM until January 6th. Also, as a public service to Jane Siberry fans on the list (and I know you're out there), JS is scheduled to perform live on Public Radio International's "Echoes" program today/tomorrow (Tuesday, Dec. 18th.) You can find a station broadcasting or webcasting by clicking around at www.echoes.org. (Just make sure you find one that broadcasts the program every day so you get the right program). I know she isn't everyone's cup of whatever, but I saw her live twice week before last, and am still on a post concert high the likes of which I haven't had since I met this other blonde Canadian singing J-woman. Adios friends, and happy holidays to you all! Catherine T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:50:33 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "By the time we got to woodstock, I'd already written the song..." Walt wrote: > Anyway, saying "joni's worst album" is like saying "the worst orgasm i ever > had was..." Thanks Walt, I need a good laugh, and this is the best one I've had for a while! And this is far and away the best way I've heard Joni's albums described! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:48:52 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: notches liberation doll On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:30:42 Lori in MD wrote: > Bob wrote: >> But the words are "YOUR notches," not "YOU'RE notches." > Depends on your reference. It's "your notches" here: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/Hissing75LyricsHome.html > and here: http://www.jmdl.com/howard/music/tab/sorrow.txt > but it's "you're notches" here: > http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/dontinterruptthesorrow.cfm > I've always thought "your" was a typo. Anyone? The URL references you give were typed in by WallyB, Howard, and probably Sue or Les, respectively. The first two probably had as their source the printed lyrics from the albums. I'm pretty sure that Sue is of the opinion that the correct words are "You're notches" so probably made that correction. But to further confuse the issue, I think the real words might be: "Your notch is liberation, doll" That's what I have always heard when I've listened to this song. "You're notches, liberation doll" sort of makes sense if the conversation between her and the man is about women in general. "your notches liberation doll" makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. There many errors in the lyrics printed with her albums which were then unfortunately carried over completely into the Lyrics book. It's too bad that Joni didn't have time to go over the book before it was published and make corrections. I hope she will do that someday! Maybe she doesn't even know that there are so many mistakes. I know Howard made an attempt at one point to go through all the lyrics and make corrections. We could have a whole separate discussion list on what all the corrections should be! It would be an interesting exercise. Marian Vienna marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:26:18 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 18 On December 18 in Joni Mitchell History: 1997: From a post to the list by Pat Mead: Joni Mitchell attended the Bob Dylan concert at the tiny El Rey Theater in LA [tonight]. Joni watched from a small balcony at the back of theater where all the seating has been reserved for VIP guests. After the opening set by Sheryl Crow she worked her way through the crowd on the floor (no mean feat) and disappeared backstage, presumably to visit with Bob. Before Bob took the stage she reappeared and found her way back to the VIP area. I think she may have been accompanied by Kilauren but it was hard to see the balcony celebs very well from my spot in the crowd near the front. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:54:17 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree What? That's it? Reminds me of the humble little Christmas tree in "A Charlie Brown Christmas," but we all know what happened there. I'm running behind the times, as usual. Is it too late to become an ornament...I mean, a leaf? - -Julius jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > Here it is gang! Please contact your branch to discuss how to proceed. All > of the discs should have been mailed to the branches. > > Peace > > Michael > > > > > Branch: Ashara Stansfield (AsharaJM@aol.com) > Leaves: Monica (CC&O cco@xs4all.nl) > Debra Shea (dsk11@bellatlantic.net) > Marilyn Huggins (hugginsm@prodigy.net) > > Branch: Bob Muller (scjoniguy@aol.com) > Leaves: Wally K (wallykai@fibertel.com.ar) > Pearl (WirlyPearl@aol.com) > Brian Symes (briansymes@about.com) > > Branch: John Van Tiel > Leaves: Phil Aldridge (Phil.Aldridge@siemenscomms.co.uk) > Marian Russell (M.Russell@iaea.org) > Lieve (ReckersL@ebrd.com) > > Branch: Michael Paz (jmichaelpaz@telocity.com > Leaves: Kakki (KakkiB@worldnet.att.net) > Stephen Epstein (sepstein@agmont.com) > Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) > > Branch: Anne Sandstrom (asandstrom@macromedia.com) > Leaves: Ron Greer (GreerR@rav.co.za) > Barbara Little (little_barbara@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:37:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree Michael...I did receive your amended discs 3/5. I've already made about 5 copies of the set, and am burning one for my sweet Rosalita as we speak. Julius, I'll be glad to add you to my list if you like. You even have a song dedicated to you by the lovely or talented Alison! Bob NP: Shawn Colvin/Bruce Hornsby/Jackson Browne/David Lindley, "End Of the Innocence" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:27:36 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Elvis and Lucinda [VLJC] [Long] Hi Everyone! I'm very far behind these days, so please forgive me if this has already been posted. jody Costello, Williams Tape Crossroads Session for CMT Michael Gray 12/06/2001 View the CMT Crossroads flipbook. bAll I can say is, look out Conway and Loretta.b? Elvis Costello issued that humorous warning during a recent television taping with Lucinda Williams. The two songwriting icons achieved their own Conway-and-Loretta-style chemistry, singing together, backing each other, swapping stories and talking about their country influences for what will become the first installment of a new series, CMT Crossroads, airing Jan. 13 on CMT. Stan Lynch, former drummer for Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, will host. Taped Nov. 5 in New York, the hour-long show is in post-production now. Editing decisions will determine the song sequence and final contents of the show, but by all accounts Costello and Williams gave producers plenty to choose from. The CMT Crossroads series seeks to demonstrate the intersection of country music and other genres such as rock, rap and pop, by bringing together artists who come from diverse musical backgrounds. Hank Williams Jr. and rap-rock star Kid Rock will collaborate in mid-December in Nashville for a future episode. Lucinda Williams is best known to mainstream country fans for writing Mary Chapin Carpenterbs bPassionate Kisses,b? which earned Williams a Grammy for best country song in 1993. She also has penned songs for Patty Loveless (bThe Nightbs Too Longb?), Emmylou Harris (bSweet Old World,b? bCrescent Cityb?) and Tom Petty (bChanged the Locksb?). As a recording artist, Williams won the Grammy for best contemporary folk album for her breakthrough 1998 CD, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road. Highly respected in roots and rock music circles, Williams mostly has been a Music Row outsider. Her sound is too raw and edgy for todaybs refined country airwaves. bI do write country songs,b? she insisted at the taping, following a performance of bBlue,b? a quiet weeper from her current album, Essence. bI just donbt write country songs that get played on country radio.b? Costello jumped in with his own assessment of contemporary country radio: bYeah, they sort of have forgotten what they are.b? bSee, thatbs the whole point of [this show],b? Williams replied, bhow you define country music. In my mind itbs Hank Williams [Sr.] and Loretta Lynn.b? During the shoot, Williams cited Bobbie Gentry as an early influence. Gentry is the writer and performer of the 1967 country-pop smash bOde to Billie Joe,b? which features vivid, haunting Southern imagery, a characteristic that also has become a trademark of Williamsb work. bIt was really original stuff, the stuff she was doing,b? Williams said of Gentry. bShe was writing her own songs. She was one of the first female singers I was influenced by who sang in a lower register. I felt real comfortable with that, because before that I was listening to singers like Judy Collins, Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez. They all had these beautiful high voices. Then here comes Bobbie Gentry, and she had this lower, kind of smoky voice. It was kind of country, but it wasnbt typical country. It was a blend. I just really identified with it.b? Costello, a native of Liverpool, England, lives in Ireland and is hardly a country artist. The singer-songwriter long has had an affinity with Nashville, however. He recorded his 1981 country covers album, Almost Blue, there with legendary country producer Billy Sherrill. During the taping, Costello also recalled meeting and working with Johnny Cash and George Jones, who have recorded his songs, and he talked about his own admiration for Hank Willams Sr., praising bthe economy of expression in his songs and the true, soulful feeling that comes in them.b? Costello covered bWild Horses,b? a country-flavored Rolling Stones number, for possible inclusion in the show. He also treated the New York audience to a pair of his own songs -- bIndoor Fireworksb? and bPoisoned Roseb? -- from his rootsy 1986 album, King of America, and he debuted a new, unfinished song that he said he is writing for Lucinda Williams to sing someday. Inevitably, however, not all performances will make it into the showbs final cut. More details about the actual contents of CMT Crossroadsb first installment will be available closer to air date. ____________________________________________ Caps Ticket Certificates - The Coolest Gift Ideal for All Occasions www.washingtoncaps.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:42:41 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree Thank you kindly, Bob. I appreciate that. Thank you, too, Alison. What an honor...can't wait to hear it. And, thanks to Michael Paz for pulling it all together for the tree. Thanks, Ashara. Thanks to all the the featured performers. God bless us, every one. - -Julius np: Tuck Andress, "Ave Maria" from _Hymns, Carols and Songs About Snow_ Julius Mills 372 Larkspur Plaza Drive Larkspur, CA 94939 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:37 AM Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree > Michael...I did receive your amended discs 3/5. I've already made about 5 copies of the set, and am burning one for my sweet Rosalita as we speak. > > Julius, I'll be glad to add you to my list if you like. You even have a song dedicated to you by the lovely or talented Alison! > > Bob > > NP: Shawn Colvin/Bruce Hornsby/Jackson Browne/David Lindley, "End Of the Innocence" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:36:42 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni @ Duke in '74; Judy -- Both Sides Now; Africa/Ethiopia Fellow list members, I am thankful for the posts that established Joni's appearance at Duke U., Durham, N.C., which I attended, as in 1974. I could only recall that it was probably 1974 or 1975. I was not disappointed for Joni content at the Judy Collins concert I attended Sunday. Judy (and Russell on piano) played and sang "Both Sides Now" at or near the beginning of the second set. And someone I know slightly from the Delaware Friends of Folk was in the onstage choir. Someone -- the name is not in front of me now -- wrote " ... Africa, which was formerly known as Ethiopia ... " Are you sure? I have never heard of the continent of Africa formerly being called "Ethiopia," the name of a nation-state today, but the nation-state of Ethiopia was formerly called "Abyssinia." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:39:09 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Vanilla Sky and Joni References DIRECTOR CAMERON Crowe's current effort, "Vanilla Sky," has nothing to do with rock 'n' roll, unlike his hit "Almost Famous." But the ex-Rolling Stone scribe can't resist paying homage to his first career. Two paintings seen in the apartment of Tom Cruise's "Vanilla Sky" character were painted by singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell. The "borrowed" paintings are called "Ice Offering" and "Edmonton," after the Canadian city where Joni's relatives live. The great folk singer trained classically as a painter. And, did you know the cameo performance of Tom Cruise's editor in "Vanilla Sky," is played by the real life editor of Jane magazine, Jane Pratt? TaTa, D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:26:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Stuart Adamson Maybe some of you already saw this...Stuart Adamson, leader of the band Big Country was found hanged in his hotel room in Hawaii. I feel for his family. I was a pretty good fan of Big Country; I remember when I got their first record I was amazed that the guitars sounded like bagpipes. It was a very unique sound, and I liked that whole first record. Still have it as well as their follow-up, which was not as strong. And for the JC: Big Country recorded a very spirited version of "Big Yellow Taxi", provided to me for our collection by Bill Pearson. Bob NP: still John Mayer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:30:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: wot?? booger rhinotush????? colin! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:57:21 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: The concept of Concept Albums After the recent discussions I listened to DED again. It dawned on me that it is a "concept album", meaning there is a common thread all across it. (I personally never buy compilations because one loses the coherence and the thread of the original albums). Actually, we've heard about Concept Albums for years in rock magazine articles. Has this concept ever being defined? Although these is a common mood in all the songs of most albums, I think mood alone is not enough to qualify it as a concept album. For example, Joni might use similar tunings in one album, hence creating the same mood throughout, but that's not enough. I'm not really sure what qualities are needed to define a concept album? However, some examples of concept albums that come to mind might be: DED, Mingus, Hejira, Neil Young's Tonight's the Night or On the Beach, Hendrix: Axis Bold As Love, etc. One possible definition might be that the "message" derives from the entire album, not just from a couple of songs. In other words the whole thing is greater than the sum of its parts. Yeah, sometimes I get that feeling that the album is terrific although no particular song is truly outstanding (eg: Plainsong: In Search of Amelia Earhardt). What makes YOU define an album as a concept? What albums strike YOU as being representative of Concept Albums? In this respect, I feel DED was an angry album, as was pointed out; but it was also a bold move (wild, untamed, or to sum it up: genuine). Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:25:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The concept of Concept Albums <> Major disagreement with that; DED is ANYTHING but genuine - it's contrived and manipulated by synthesizer and machine from start to finish. Now I don't mean anything negative by that, just that I don't see it as "wild","untamed" or "genuine". Joni "untamed and genuine" is Blue or STAS or Turbulent Indigo. Joni "wild" is DJRD and HOSL to a lesser extent. It isn't even totally angry...after all, look at it's opening and closing: "Good Friends" & "Lucky Girl"...not a lot of anger there. The only "concept" I see in DED is Dolby & Klein trying to fit the perpetual musical square peg that has always been Joni Mitchell into the musical mish-mash that was 1985. Miles away from genuine. Bob NP: The Beatles, "It's All Too Much" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:59:44 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: The concept of Concept Albums > <> > > Major disagreement with that; DED is ANYTHING but genuine - it's contrived and manipulated by synthesizer and machine from start to finish. Now I don't mean anything negative by that, just that I don't see it as "wild","untamed" or "genuine". I see your point Bob. You're commenting on the music. I'm only talking about the message from the lyrics here. > > It isn't even totally angry...after all, look at it's opening and closing: "Good Friends" & "Lucky Girl"...not a lot of anger there. Yes I agree. Other listers have described it as angry which may be one of the underlying motives. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:04:33 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DED on guitar I just looked in JMDL guitar database, where I found the 2 songs from DED that I felt like playing: Impossible Dreamer and Lucky Girl. But the 3rd one "DED" title track isn't there. Does anybody have anything on it, or at least the tuning? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:06:36 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Computer applications Word, Excel and Access I was responsible for staff recruitment for our Swords branch and was also involved in local fundraising (sponsored head shaves). Im involved with my local football club, helping with the training of 2 of our junior sides. We teach them general football skills and fitness, along with working as part of a team. . [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of course.com] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:39:07 +0000 From: Booger Rhinotush Subject: Re: The concept of Concept Albums perhaps only Joni knows if she was genuine or not...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:53:38 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002- List of attendees so far Many people have asked for this, so here is the list so far of who has signed up online. I don't quite yet have a list of who are the "definites" and who are the "maybes," but here's a start. Hugs, Ashara Helen Adcock (hell@ihug.co.nz) - Auckland, NZ Kay Ashley (katfud@earthlink.net) - Brooklyn, NY John Balkin (jbbalkin@earthlink.net) - La Veta, CO kate bennett (kate@katebennett.com) - Santa Barbara, California Goetz Bettge (mauski4648@aol.com) - 58636 Iserlohn, Germany Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Jeff Bisch (jeff@bischdesign.com) - Santa Barbara, California Walt Breen (bigwaltinsf@aol.com) - San Francisco, CA Sharon Buffington (sharonbuffington@mediaone.net) - Hudson, Wisconsin Gregg Cagno (greggno@pobox.com) - Perkasie, PA Alison Einerson (alisone4@yahoo.com) - Salt Lake City, UT Chuck Eisenhardt (chucke@tiac.net) - arlington, ma Stephen Epstein (sepstein@agmont.com) - Vancouver, BC Mona Fitzgerald (monafitz@aol.com) - Windsor, Connecticut Lori Fye (lrfye58@yahoo.com) - Silver Spring, MD Joe Gomez (lndesgn@home.com) - , Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - , Ron Greer (greerr@rav.co.za) - Centurion, Gauteng, South Africa Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Deptford, NJ Susan Guzzi (groovchacha@yahoo.com) - Chicago, Illinois Patricia Holden (pholden@iprimus.ca) - Hamilton, Ontario Robert Holliston (roberto1011@hotmail.com) - , Les Irvin (les@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO Craig Jenkins (craigleejenkins@hotmail.com) - , jody johnson (johnsonjs@earthlink.net) - , Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) - Philadelphia, PA Victor Johnson (waytoblu@mindspring.com) - Athens, Georgia Rose Marie Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) - Piscataway, New Jersey CLAUDIO KAIRUZ (wallykai@yahoo.com) - BUENOS AIRES, CAPITAL Jim L'Hommedieu (jlamadoo@fuse.net) - Covington, KY Barbara Little (balittle@ptd.net) - , Chris Marshall (chris@secure-si.co.uk) - , Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Sal Micciche (AsharaJM@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Julius Mills (jrmco1@aol.com) - Larkspur, CA Steve Mitchell (steve.w2.mitchell@bt.com) - Cambridge, UK Stephanie Morrison (scmorris@du.edu) - , Travis Moser (mark.travis@gte.net) - Shoreline, Washington Bob Muller (SCJoniguy@aol.com) - Greenville, SC Bob Murphy (murphycopy@aol.com) - Watertown, MA Kerry Nikutta (myrtlmoo@ticon.net) - Milwaukee, Wisconsin Michael ONeill (eyesopen@mac.com) - , Michael Paz (jmpaz@bellsouth.net) - Destrehan, Lousisana Mary Pitassi (blckcrow@chorus.net) - Madison, WI Lieve Reckers (reckersl@ebrd.com) - London, United Kingdom Marianne Rizzo (treegreen1@hotmail.com) - Rush, NY Les Ross (lxross@ctrl.co.uk) - London, Marian Russell (marian@jmdl.com) - Probstdorf, Austria, EUROPE Anne Sandstrom (anne@sandstrom.com) - Waltham, MA Claudia SanSoucie (claud9ine@home.com) - Baltimore, MD Mark Scott (mark.travis@gte.net) - Shoreline, Washington Rebecca Seale (Bree_mcdonough) - , Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jimmy Stewart (fmyfl@aol.com) - , Karin Szameitat (mauskis4648@aol.com) - Iserlohn, Germany John van Tiel (john.van.tiel@wxs.nl) - Delfzijl, The Netherlands Cindy Vickery (cvickery@danielrealty.com) - Birmingham, Alabama jacky walls (gertus@aol.com) - , Pearl Weisberg (WirlyPearl@aol.com) - Hollywood, Florida Steve Weisberg (WirlyPearl@aol.com) - Hollywood, Florida yael yael (yharlap@yahoo.com) - , ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:54:54 +0800 From: "Rachael DeRoest" Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree what is this jonifest cd? Rachael - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:21:20 -0800 To: Joni Digest Subject: Jonifest CD Tree Re: Here it is gang! Please contact your branch to discuss how to proceed. All Re: of the discs should have been mailed to the branches. Re: Re: Peace Re: Re: Michael Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Branch: Ashara Stansfield (AsharaJM@aol.com) Re: Leaves: Monica (CC&O cco@xs4all.nl) Re: Debra Shea (dsk11@bellatlantic.net) Re: Marilyn Huggins (hugginsm@prodigy.net) Re: Re: Branch: Bob Muller (scjoniguy@aol.com) Re: Leaves: Wally K (wallykai@fibertel.com.ar) Re: Pearl (WirlyPearl@aol.com) Re: Brian Symes (briansymes@about.com) Re: Re: Branch: John Van Tiel Re: Leaves: Phil Aldridge (Phil.Aldridge@siemenscomms.co.uk) Re: Marian Russell (M.Russell@iaea.org) Re: Lieve (ReckersL@ebrd.com) Re: Re: Branch: Michael Paz (jmichaelpaz@telocity.com Re: Leaves: Kakki (KakkiB@worldnet.att.net) Re: Stephen Epstein (sepstein@agmont.com) Re: Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) Re: Re: Branch: Anne Sandstrom (asandstrom@macromedia.com) Re: Leaves: Ron Greer (GreerR@rav.co.za) Re: Barbara Little (little_barbara@hotmail.com) Re: Re: - -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:16:51 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni @ Duke in '74; Judy -- Both Sides Now; Africa/Ethiopia Tim, I love Judy too. Have seen your name on the Judy site. I do wish that it were this kind of forum. Don't really like the way that it works there. My hats off to Les for this site. Belong to two others also but they are so burdensome. Back to Judy. Wish I could have been there. I bet it was great. Did she sing Song for Martin? Love it. Mack > I was not disappointed for Joni content at the Judy Collins concert I > attended Sunday. Judy (and Russell on piano) played and sang "Both Sides > Now" at or near the beginning of the second set. And someone I know slightly > from the Delaware Friends of Folk was in the onstage choir. > Someone -- the name is not in front of me now -- wrote " ... Africa, which > was formerly known as Ethiopia ... " Are you sure? I have never heard of the > continent of Africa formerly being called "Ethiopia," the name of a > nation-state today, but the nation-state of Ethiopia was formerly called > "Abyssinia." > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Bread & Roses'80 (#372) rsc1 wrote: > Hi Randy - > > I haven't had any time to check in in the last 2 weeks, > and just read yr reply to my missive re: the Joni/B.B. > set. Personally, I thought the version of "Coyote" was > great... I've never heard King play guitar the way he did > on that tune. It was all stacatto picking, little fills and > accents. Not at all the way he normally plays. It was obviously > a challenge for him. True, the rhythm section may not have had > the song down, but I didn't think they botched it. And Joni was > playing guitar, handling all the chord changes. B.B. only played > lead, as always (I don't think he ever plays chords!). When the bass player and rhythm guitarist are playing the wrong thing at the wrong time and don't have a clue how the song goes, it is botched. I have had this unfortunate experience a couple of times, and it is sheer hell. What you call Kings staccatto notes and different approach to playing, I call fumbling. > > The version of "The Thrill Is Gone" was fascinating, and exciting, > because Joni was visibly nervous about singing his standard. > B.B. sang the first verse, and then was pushing her forward to sing > the next, but she kept backing away, shaking her head. When she > finally did, the lyrics were completely different. > "the thrill is gone... you left me, and I hope you - die!" > sung with a bitter intensity. Seemed like she meant it, and indeed > I believe that she and Don Alias had just broken up, so it may have > been directed to him. A friend who was backstage said that she was > huddled with B.B. prior to his set, writing out the lyrics. > She told him that she was indeed nervous, and just hoped to get > through the tunes! I stand by my assessment; that King either sang over Joni or played a guitar lick every time she opened her mouth. > > B.B. then said that they had to leave as they had a gig in Reno that evening, > so they left and Joni stayed on. She played the wireless Stratocaster that > Neil Young had played the previous night (w/ the Hawks & Doves band - > their sole live performance), The International Harvesters, and they were marvelous. I am not at all sure this was their only public performance-maybe a hardcore Neilhead would know. > and did 2 new songs... "Man to Man" and > an amazing version of "Dream Flat Tires". They were both raw, and sensual > and unlike the renditions that finally appeared on "Wild Things Run Fast". > Then she was off, leaving me in a puddle under my seat. > After a set by Tom Paxton, and part of another unremembered performer, I > turned to my companion and said "Let's go. We're not going to see anything > else that's even going to come close to being as good as Joni's set." > And we left. > > The tune she did with Herbie was from the '79 Bread & Roses show, which > I wasn't fortunate to witness. Well, you left before Joni and Herbie did "Sweet Sucker Dance", at the '80 show, which was absolutely devistating, better than the studio version by miles. I don't remember when this was, it may have even been the next day. It was a 'tweener', a wonderful surprise. I was not at the '79 show, unfortunately. I still think that if tapes of Joni's '80 B&R show surface, they will bear out my claims. I mean, I was appalled at the time (with the King/Joni set), and I worshipped Joni at the time. I felt she was badly treated, musically. As I said, the rest of King's set was quite nice, nothing against him, but they should've learned the one dang tune, what is it, like 4 chords? Thanks for your reply, RR > > > I saw someone in the row behind me with mics, and they had recorded her set. > I asked if I could get a copy, and he reluctantly took my address, but nothing > ever came of it. But at least one person recorded it! And I believe that there > is a copy of it in Joni's archive (I saw a reel to reel going at the side of > the stage that was started at the begining of her set, and turned off as she > finished). > > Perhaps it'll turn up one of these days. > > Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:42:41 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest CD Tree Hi Rachael This is the 5 discs that were recorded in New England at the end of last summer by members of the JMDL and friends. There are some great performances here by many wonderful artists. Most of the music is Joni songs, but alot of other covers and originals. There was a very small sign up so I am sure if you contact one of the branches you will be accomodated. I will be away for ahwile and cannot take on another project just now, but will beavailable next year. Paz on 12/18/01 3:54 PM, Rachael DeRoest at roses_blue@email.com wrote: > what is this jonifest cd? > Rachael > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:21:20 -0800 > To: Joni Digest > Subject: Jonifest CD Tree > > > Re: Here it is gang! Please contact your branch to discuss how to proceed. All > Re: of the discs should have been mailed to the branches. > Re: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:40:31 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Bread & Roses'80 (#372) Hi, I can almost 100% assure you, Bread & Roses has every soundboard recording (if not video also) from every benefit show they have had since the first in '75 up to and including the 25th B&R anniversary last year at at the San Francisco Opera House, as well as Mimi's Life Celebration at Grace Cathedral a couple of months ago. I've a close friend on the Board of Directors of B&R who assures me this is the case. They haven't released any of them though. Too bad, I say, they could make a lot of money for the organization with CD's etc. But... it's not in their vision. They provide "Fresh Art Delivered Daily". Period. Richard >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:54:48 -0800 >From: rsc1 >Subject: RE: Bread & Roses'80 (#372) > >Hi Randy - > >I haven't had any time to check in in the last 2 weeks, >and just read yr reply to my missive re: the Joni/B.B. >set. Personally, I thought the version of "Coyote" was >great... I've never heard King play guitar the way he did >on that tune. It was all stacatto picking, little fills and >accents. Not at all the way he normally plays. It was obviously >a challenge for him. True, the rhythm section may not have had >the song down, but I didn't think they botched it. And Joni was >playing guitar, handling all the chord changes. B.B. only played >lead, as always (I don't think he ever plays chords!). >The version of "The Thrill Is Gone" was fascinating, and exciting, >because Joni was visibly nervous about singing his standard. >B.B. sang the first verse, and then was pushing her forward to sing >the next, but she kept backing away, shaking her head. When she >finally did, the lyrics were completely different. >"the thrill is gone... you left me, and I hope you - die!" >sung with a bitter intensity. Seemed like she meant it, and indeed >I believe that she and Don Alias had just broken up, so it may have >been directed to him. A friend who was backstage said that she was >huddled with B.B. prior to his set, writing out the lyrics. >She told him that she was indeed nervous, and just hoped to get >through the tunes! >B.B. then said that they had to leave as they had a gig in Reno that evening, >so they left and Joni stayed on. She played the wireless Stratocaster that >Neil Young had played the previous night (w/ the Hawks & Doves band - >their sole live performance), and did 2 new songs... "Man to Man" and >an amazing version of "Dream Flat Tires". They were both raw, and sensual >and unlike the renditions that finally appeared on "Wild Things Run Fast". >Then she was off, leaving me in a puddle under my seat. >After a set by Tom Paxton, and part of another unremembered performer, I >turned to my companion and said "Let's go. We're not going to see anything >else that's even going to come close to being as good as Joni's set." >And we left. > >The tune she did with Herbie was from the '79 Bread & Roses show, which >I wasn't fortunate to witness. > >I saw someone in the row behind me with mics, and they had recorded her set. >I asked if I could get a copy, and he reluctantly took my address, but nothing >ever came of it. But at least one person recorded it! And I believe that there >is a copy of it in Joni's archive (I saw a reel to reel going at the side of >the stage that was started at the begining of her set, and turned off as she >finished). > >Perhaps it'll turn up one of these days. > >Russ > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2001 #601 >***************************** > >------- >Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- >Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:39:54 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody For Hell, with love :-) Dingo of Heart and Mind I am a dingo of heart and mind With time on her paws No pups to whelp You come to me like a neutered male And I give you my growls and my yelps You think I'm like your mongrels Or other Labradors or a Yorkie Or the pooch of your dreams Or just another silly cur When love makes a fool of me After the rush when you nail some hound You're always disappointed Nothing seems to keep you high Start your barking Strain your leashes Squirt your hydrants Fuck your terriers Don't it leave you on the empty side? I'm looking for affection and respect A little carrion And you want sniffs of rear ends -- nothing more That's what I think But you know I'll try to be there for you When your testes start to stink All this talk about alpha males now It must be the start of the latest style Is it all your tricks and turds Or do you really feel it? Do you really bark? Do you really pant? Do you really howl When you howl? You criticize and you flatter You imitate the best And the rest you memorize You know the times you impress me most Are the times when you don't growl When you don't even growl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:51:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody oh bob!!!!!!!! you are a genius, you are a god! what a masterpiece!!!!!!!!!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 18 de Diciembre de 2001 11:40 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody For Hell, with love :-) Dingo of Heart and Mind ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:08:26 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody Smurf hunney, I think you've outdone yourself this time. seek help immediately ROTFLMAO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:28:31 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody Bob wrote: > Dingo of Heart and Mind Oh god, make it stop....make it stop......MAKE IT STOP!!!!! Who are you?.......why are you wearing that white coat?......you want me to put on that jacket? But the arms are too long, I won't be able to type...... what's in that syringe?....OW, THAT HURT - WHAT ARE YOU DOIN......???? ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:30:08 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply Bob wrote: > For Hell, with love :-) > > > Dingo of Heart and Mind And for Bob, with "love"! Blue Thing Run Fast He dingoed She smiled He thought he had her tamed But she was wild inside Thinking of revenge at last Blue thing, run fast Across the ocean She could see The smurf that was trying to be So funny Thinking of revenge at last Blue thing, run fast Parodies are all about He writes another Never thinking about How she schemes away In eight months Or so Revenge will be sweet And the smurf will never know When to stay and when to go.... Blue thing, run fast Blue thing, run fast Blue thing, run fast What makes you run? Smurf thing You "thought" I loved you..... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody > > I am a dingo of heart and mind > With time on her paws > No pups to whelp > You come to me like a neutered male > And I give you my growls and my yelps > You think I'm like your mongrels > Or other Labradors or a Yorkie > Or the pooch of your dreams > Or just another silly cur > When love makes a fool of me > After the rush when you nail some hound > You're always disappointed > Nothing seems to keep you high > Start your barking > Strain your leashes > Squirt your hydrants > Fuck your terriers > Don't it leave you on the empty side? > I'm looking for affection and respect > A little carrion > And you want sniffs of rear ends -- nothing more > That's what I think > But you know I'll try to be there for you > When your testes start to stink > All this talk about alpha males now > It must be the start of the latest style > Is it all your tricks and turds > Or do you really feel it? > Do you really bark? > Do you really pant? > Do you really howl > When you howl? > You criticize and you flatter > You imitate the best > And the rest you memorize > You know the times you impress me most > Are the times when you don't growl > When you don't even growl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:36:50 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply In a message dated 12/18/01 11:23:12 PM, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << And the smurf will never know When to stay and when to go.... Blue thing, run fast Blue thing, run fast Blue thing, run fast >> Oh, Hell! I am choking -- and blue! -- with laughter. But I'm more than a little worried about the revenge part. Wally warned me about you and dingo jokes, but did I listen? No! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:44:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody Smurph! GET A JOB PLEASE! You are killing us here. Your talents are wasted on us mere JMDL'ers. The world needs your twisted humor. More than ever now. Laughing myself silly Paz on 12/18/01 6:39 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > For Hell, with love :-) > > > Dingo of Heart and Mind > > I am a dingo of heart and mind > With time on her paws > No pups to whelp > You come to me like a neutered male > And I give you my growls and my yelps > You think I'm like your mongrels > Or other Labradors or a Yorkie > Or the pooch of your dreams > Or just another silly cur > When love makes a fool of me > After the rush when you nail some hound > You're always disappointed > Nothing seems to keep you high > Start your barking > Strain your leashes > Squirt your hydrants > Fuck your terriers > Don't it leave you on the empty side? > I'm looking for affection and respect > A little carrion > And you want sniffs of rear ends -- nothing more > That's what I think > But you know I'll try to be there for you > When your testes start to stink > All this talk about alpha males now > It must be the start of the latest style > Is it all your tricks and turds > Or do you really feel it? > Do you really bark? > Do you really pant? > Do you really howl > When you howl? > You criticize and you flatter > You imitate the best > And the rest you memorize > You know the times you impress me most > Are the times when you don't growl > When you don't even growl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:12:11 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply OMG you two are killing me!!! You are too much! Straight into the JMDL parody gallery feature of the month!! Kakki, choking ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #390 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?