From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #385 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 385 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: December 14 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Covers #24 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's 7 year song [Jennymac48@aol.com] RE: Joni & Anjelica ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: extended shiny toys [very short but jc because it is about one of her son... [SCJoniGu] First USENET Mention of Joni (June 1982)? [Preet D ] Re: hi all [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") ["owen.duff" ] Re: Did Dolby Eat Dog Eat Dog? ["Mike Hicks" ] 2 grey rooms ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms- Harold and Maude ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms- Harold and Maude ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Arthur Lee...... [Lance Michel ] cmiars ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:09:01 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 14 On December 14 this article was published: 1975: "Mitchell, Young and the Decade of Despair" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/751214lat.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 654 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:51:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #24 Covers #24 is great fun. Thanks again, Bob. It's so cool hearing somewhat obscure versions of Joni songs by other artists. Glad you're digging it, Billy...my pleasure to share! Obviously I think they're pretty cool as well, and the obscurity is seldom a reflection of the quality. I always find most of them to be quite good, which isn't hard considering the material they have to work with. Bob NP: Angie Stone, "Time of the Month" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:21:00 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Joni's 7 year song I think she said once it took her 7 years to write 2 Grey Rooms ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:44:20 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Joni & Anjelica Rachael DeRoest (welcome, Rachael!!) wrote: "What about anjelica and joni and this tribute thing? I would not have imagined they really even knew each other. But that is very cool." Me now: well, as I think somebody's already mentioned, there IS the "Jack connection." Joni and Jack Nicholson appear to have been friends for quite some time, and Anjelica Huston and Jack were romantically involved for, what, 17 years in the 70's and 80's? So it makes sense to me that Joni and Anjelica would know each other, and then that they would take things one step further by forming a strong friendship of their own. Mary P. Madison, WI P.S. By the way, I must confess guiltily to always having been CONVINCED that Joni wrote "The Same Situation" for Jack Nicholson. However, there is, indeed, no evidence that I'm aware of that these two were ever anything other than good friends. Shucks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:49:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms In a message dated 12/13/01 10:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << if you havent heard it yet, Bob will accomodate you np. Right bro? Just let him know and he will set you up with the goods. >> Sure...It's a 1983 BBC radio program called "My Top 12", where Joni talks about her favorite artists/songs and gets to play DJ. It was originally on a tape tree, I've transferred it to 2 CD's. If you just find that life has no meaning for you without them, by all means let me know. Bob NP: Bob Schneider, "2002" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:53:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: extended shiny toys [very short but jc because it is about one of her son... << i don't remember having heard an extended version of shiny toys. do we have that? >> Yes, it's indeed very cool, adds some additional sounds and whoops and such. Lama called it 'unreleased', but if I'm correct it was released as a European vinyl single/EP. I included it on "Flotsam & Jetsam" along with some other goodies from the 80's. Bob NP: Bob Schneider, "Oklahoma" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:59:54 +0000 From: Preet D Subject: First USENET Mention of Joni (June 1982)? Google (www.google.com), the Internet search engine and searchable USENET service, has now expanded their archive back to 1981. They have released a page announcing the expansion. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=joni+mitchell&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=14&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1984&rnum=19&selm=bnews.ihuxk.113 The URL for the Google annoucement is at: http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html preetd@bigfoot.com Londinium preetd@bigfoot.com http://preetd.web.com Phone - +44-(0)7092 159 959 Fax - +44-(0)7092 164 557 NP - NT - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:15:34 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: hi all Rachael (WELCOME, RACHAEL!!) wrote: > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work > As a matter of fact, Rachael, (and everyone else!) you can get a wonderful picture of Joni by one of our list members, Jack Merkel, and you can help out both the JMDL.com and JoniMitchell.com websites at the same time! Check it out by going to: http://www.jmdl.com/prints.cfm Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:14:54 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") >When did it become a crime to be middle aged? >What makes plodding rhythms, unadventurous melodies and cliched chord >sequences symptomatic of a middle aged artist? (Funny, I hear it more often >in younger performers who haven't yet hit their stride or found their voice.) It certainly is not a crime to be middle aged! All I was pointing out is that I like Joni best when she is innovating, as she has done so often and so successfully in her career. I don't see NRH or TTT as particularly innovative works, for the reasons I gave in both original posts. I agree that much music that charts today is just as deserving, if not more so, of that criticism. >Next time you wonder why Joni is reluctant to write or record new music, >think about this comment -- and about what our youth-obsessed culture and the >music business are doing to so many people who are not at all ready to be put >out to pasture. I don't really see myself as a part of that culture, my tastes are eclectic and defined by what I believe is good, not what is new. The fact that I loved TI and BSN and am eagerly awaiting the arrival of The Circle Game (if that's what Joni ends up entitling it) clearly demonstrates that. The fact that I even got into Joni (and Nick Drake and Keith Jarrett and Stevie Wonder etc.) surely demonstrates that. >I'm sure beach tar hasn't touched her blessed feet in decades. Why should she >be writing or singing about feelings or experiences that have nothing to do >with her current situation which is, um, middle age? OK, maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase "middle aged music", I didn't mean to cause offence, I merely was saying that overall I personally find NRH and TTT lacking in the essence of what makes Joni's music great. Admittedly, what makes her great is not youthfulness, bur her pioneering spirit. I don't care whether she's singing about beach tar on her feet or pension schemes so long as she finds a new, interesting, Joni way to say it. If you guys think that NRH and TTT achieve that then that's fine, bur I find those two albums staid and unexciting. I can't help that, it's my personal opinion and I see no reason not to voice it! Owen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:18:26 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Latter-day Joni All this discussion about Joni's albums (this one is better than that one) has me wanting to scream out "they all have their moments!" Love NRH ("Two Grey Rooms" & title track are fabulous, "Slouching..." & "PPlay" great). Love CMIARS ("My Secret Place" fab, "Lakota" & "Number One" grt.). Love DED ("Three Great Stimulents" & title track grt. songs). Love TTT ("H In Havana"--reminds me of "Cotton Ave" too--"Stay In Touch" fab, "Crazy Cries..." & "Love Puts On..."--even "Lead Baloon"--her 'hardest' song--all grt.). Love WTRF ("Chinese Cafe" & "Underneath St. Lights" fab)...IMO :-) Over all, maybe not as groundbreaking as the seminal 60's/70's work, but they still have great merit and at least moments of profound brilliance. I could never write-off one single album. Love 'em all. XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:31:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") In a message dated 12/14/01 9:18:42 AM, owen.duff@ntlworld.com writes: << OK, maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase "middle aged music", I didn't mean to cause offence, I merely was saying that overall I personally find NRH and TTT lacking in the essence of what makes Joni's music great. Admittedly, what makes her great is not youthfulness, bur her pioneering spirit. I don't care whether she's singing about beach tar on her feet or pension schemes so long as she finds a new, interesting, Joni way to say it. If you guys think that NRH and TTT achieve that then that's fine, bur I find those two albums staid and unexciting. I can't help that, it's my personal opinion and I see no reason not to voice it! >> Hi, Owen: I agree that you should be able to speak your mind here. It *was* the term "middle aged music" I found objectionable. I think that life in our times is becoming horribly out of balance and shallow because of our culture's tragic disdain for people who are no longer young. Because of that, I try to be on guard about making disparaging comments or having negative thoughts about people based solely upon age. People who would never utter anything remotely racist, sexist or homophobic think nothing of making ageist slights. Why? Because everywhere we look, we get the message over and over again through the media and our culture that young is good and old is bad. Who has more to offer humanity, Joni or Britney? Put them both on TV tonight and which one gets clobbered in the ratings? I know I'm preaching to the choir here, Owen, but that happens sometimes when I rant! I have enjoyed your posts and look forward to more. In closing, I'd like to say that I love what Mark wrote about this issue: << One of my contentions about TTT (which I happen to love) is that if you haven't lived it, you probably aren't gonna get it. You might, but probably not. >> Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:32:19 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Diana Krall comes to Chicago I just got word that Diana Krall will be playing the accoustically mah-vel-ous Chicago Theater on March 23. I believe tickets go on sale this coming Monday. Now if she would only do that great version of A Case of You... I'll be getting my ticket, for sure. I hope to see other JMDLers there! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:03:00 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms >is it time to relive the discussion on what is behind >the song? Id love to hear what people think...lots of >newbies of late...so I invite you to spill . Two Grey rooms is indeed a very heart-wrenching song. As I am listening tonight, I am also trying to watch Harold and Maude on AMC. So the stereo is playing and I'm watching closed caption.4AM.....and feeling NO PAIN. I used to think this song was pure fantasy...... that she was playing this out in her head. But, if you listen at the very end of the song between the line...Below my window, she SAYS:HEY,HEY!! Like when someone is trying to get a persons attention on the street.. when they are calling from indoors behind a window. Also, at the beginning during her lovely piano intro BEFORE she breaks into verse it sounds like she says:There you again or dare you go with me? or there you go with me.... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I listened to this, trying to decipher exactly what she is saying.. if anything before the verses start......a good twenty times. Kneeling, with my ear pressed against the stereo speaker.......then I would back away from the stereo about ten feet and the more I listened the more I read into it. It was becoming gluck or whatever.....She says:No one Knows I'm here........(a real locale or at this station in her life?) this could mean several or have several different connotations..... that after all these years she's still smitten ... and pining for him.......surely people in her circle would think she was well past with such intense longing still. TO BED/MAT.......will finish this later today....... Eight hours later...... OK, feeling revived it now sounds like she is saying:Bear you go with me? ( Bear is the name of my cat?) I think I'm trying to make mystery where there isn't any really. It's an incredibly beautiful song that she sings from her very core. And I empathize with her.......if you let the song invade it can bring tears. Joni! Joni! JONI! GAWD IN HEAvEN........her phrasing, the emotion she invokes when she says:The weekends drive me mad,holidays are all too sad...... The word......MAD how does she do that with that one syllable word??.....she twists and turns it.....AMAZING! ........& SAD.... she takes you down to the depths where sadness...... IS! And I could envision this on the BIG SREEN, cinematic greatness......I'd take it a step further and want to think HE has been eyeing her secretly as well. They finally get the nerve to confront one another........and all that, that would entail........ I would want a happing ending though. :-) ALL subjective, BTW......nothing is fixed. Bree >And this loving is a drawing close, >a tuning in, an opening. >Until one perfect moment; >but how can it be expressed? >A receiving, an enfolding >as I cradle you in my arms. >Within my heart, within my soul, >You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > >--- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:15:18 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Who has more to offer humanity, Joni or Britney? Put them both on TV tonight > and which one gets clobbered in the ratings? No kidding! I don't think that Britney can even compare to other successful teeny bopper icons...while waiting to get my haircut this morning, I read a recent "Spin" magazine. (Which reminded me why I canceled my subscription years ago...) They were doing a "best singles" of 2001 piece, and listed Britney's "Slave 4 U" as one of them. The article stated (I'm badly quoting from memory here:) "Not since Madonna crooned 'Only when I'm dancing can I feel this free' has a pop song sounded so sultry and refreshing..." blah blah blah. I was offended that they even dared compare a Britney Spears nugget to a Madonna song, particularly one that has stuck around for so long. "Into the Groove" (while a trite pop song) has become an anthem, and I'd be very surprised if anything Miss Spears does will be hummed much 10 years from now. Lots of style, very little substance. Don't get me wrong: I love pop music: This week I'm going back and forth between Cyndi Lauper's (fabulous) Christmas album, the new Pink CD, Cou rt and Spark, and a new Harry Connick Jr...but even I can separate the wheat from the chaff. It also disturbs something deep in my soul when my friend's 6 year old daughter grinds her hips and licks her lips in imitation. Something bad wrong is going on right now. Britney Spears = BS. 'Nuff said. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:14:48 -0600 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: River on UK TV Arghh! I just typed a decent sized post and the damn thing disappeared before I sent it. At least I think it didn't send. Sorry if this is a resend. It'll probably be a bit shorter than the original thing, as I'm running out of time now (going out to posh restaurant tonight with my partner, for our five year anniversary meal!!!) Anyway... There I was sitting in the lounge, muddling through my semi-unemployment by marking maths homeworks (very tedious) and watching daytime TV. Then the usual even calm of the Richard and Judy Show was interrupted by the ever annoying Marti Pellow. And what's worse they announced he'd be singing at the end of the show. I made a mental note to switch channels over to the Weakest Link before he launched into one of those dreadful ballads that he does. Then I remembered that he once covered Joni's River, and considering that it is coming on Christmas and all, I thought I should at least check, and eerily enough, that's what he chose to perform. Judy, gawd bless her, introduced it as 'a lovely Christmas song' - kinda missing the point of the song. They also had some conversation about great songwriters, but I missed most of that fumbling for a video. Yes Bob, that does mean I have it on tape. And as I'm going to see my parents next week for the holidays, and they have the ability to do such things, I'll transfer it to CD. So if you're interested in adding it to your covers collection, just give me a shout. I know you have another version by him, but I don't know how they compare, as I'm not that far through the collection yet. Rob _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:18:13 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Did Dolby Eat Dog Eat Dog? > From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:38:24 EST > Subject: Did Dolby Eat Dog Eat Dog? > To: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: BigWaltinSF@aol.com > I *loved* Dolby's albums of the early and mid '80's particularly The Flat > Earth, which came out in '84, a year before DED came out: So my question: > why did his treatment of her stuff come out so badly (a matter of opinion, of I did too. I have much of his stuff. I even regard him as verging on genius for those two '80's albums he put out. He's not afraid to go out on a limb with his music. I like that in any artist. mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:22:06 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: 2 grey rooms I forgot to ask if others hear her saying something during the piano intro? Or is it just scat? Curious???? Please tell me I'm not the only one in Joniland to hear words!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:36:16 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms- Harold and Maude "As I am listening tonight, I am also trying to watch Harold and Maude on AMC. So the stereo is playing and I'm watching closed caption. 4AM.....and feeling NO PAIN." You watched "Harold and Maude" WITHOUT THE SOUND ???? Yikes, the soundtrack is the best part of that film. IMHO, of course. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:03:28 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: 30-something -- River, I think...(sjc) SC Bob wrote: I don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure. Bob, I was addicted to the show, and I'm *almost* positive they played Joni's own "River" on one episode. But just almost positive -- anyone else remember? - --Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:14:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms 3 points about this lovely song which are, i hope, worthy of note - 1. In the video of Two Grey Rooms (from the CIFTC videos) during the lyrics - "You look so youthful Time has been untruthful" - - Joni is in front of the mirror, face lifting her face with her hands and checking out the youthful result she sees. (Making it seem like these lyrics are about herself) 2. The "Room with a view" motif recurs in the song 'Face Lift' - "Oh, the cold winds blew at our room with a view". 3. Two Grey Rooms is the closing song in NRH and it begins with the line 'Tomrrow is Sunday'. The Following Joni album TI begins with the song "Sunny Sunday". Sometimes it's like Joni's closing songs in her albums are an invitation for us to find out what will happen in the next Joni chapter... Thanks you mags for the infliction.:) Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:42:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms- Harold and Maude I tried to listen to both simultaneously, but that drove me nuts. I did hear some of Cat Stevens though. I'm sure it will be on again soon and I'll catch it in its entirety. >"As I am listening tonight, I am also trying to watch Harold and Maude on >AMC. So the stereo is playing and I'm watching closed caption. 4AM.....and >feeling NO PAIN." > >You watched "Harold and Maude" WITHOUT THE SOUND ???? Yikes, the >soundtrack >is the best part of that film. IMHO, of course. > >Sybil > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:53:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: River on UK TV << Judy, gawd bless her, introduced it as 'a lovely Christmas song' - kinda missing the point of the song. >> Great job, Rob...I think the copy we have of Marti's "River" will suffice. I do think it's lovely though. And you're right about it's connotation of being a Christmas song. It's a common happening, goes to show how carelessly most people listen to songs & lyrics in particular. There's been a 'flood' of new Rivers to come out this season! Speaking of River, I got a new one in the mail today by Enzo Pietropaoli, an Italian jazz bassist featuring Maria Pia De Vito on the vocal. The CD is called "Stolen Songs", and they also do covers of The Sex Pistols (!) Blind Faith, Prince, U2, Stevie Wonder, and many more. Oh, they do a version of JT's "Millworker", a song that pops up in conversation here from time to time. Also Rob, congrats on your 5-year! Hope you have many more years of joy together. Bob NP: John Mayer, "3 x 5" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:05:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: contemplating Two Grey Rooms << 3. Two Grey Rooms is the closing song in NRH and it begins with the line 'Tomrrow is Sunday'. The Following Joni album TI begins with the song "Sunny Sunday". Sometimes it's like Joni's closing songs in her albums are an invitation for us to find out what will happen in the next Joni chapter... >> Very cool observations, Nuri! You are a person of extraordinary insight. Further to the discussion, Lindsay Moon transcribed a TI interview that tals about the writing process and some of the story of the song. Here's the excerpt, thanks to Ms. Moon! Q. Does it take a long time? A. Sometimes it does. Sometimes the puzzles are stubborn. And sometimes too the melody will cough up really hard restrictions, and that's happened to me a couple of times. "Two Grey Rooms" on the last album, for instance, was a jam. It was one take with a live jam, and I threw on a sketch melody. I hadn't even thought of the melody. All I had was my chordal movement and instrumental piano piece and we jammed it up. So the melody that went onto tape was the birth of the melody. I very seldom capture that on tape. Usually by the time I come to tape, I've sung a wordless melody many, many times to the guitar part or the piano part. But in this case it was its birth and it came out like with vowels that were more common to French than English (sounds out) "long-dong," just the way -- well, I got attached to that and trying to find sonically the English that had those kind of vowels was difficult. And I thought at one point I'm going to have to write this in French, and my French isn't that good. That one took six or seven years. We recorded it for "Wild Things" and it came out on the last album. I finally found a story about a homosexual love story from a fellow from Fassbinder's crowd in Germany, a story of obsession, and when I read the story I think in Interview Magazine, I didn't think of it as making a song out of it, but it was a kind of a haunting story of obsession. And one day I was at the piano and singing this song again, and I suddenly realized that the modality, the romanticism of this melody and the romanticism, the overt romanticism of this unrequited love story were quite suitable to one another and I managed sonically to find -- to tell the story with the correct vowels and consonants. But I make the puzzles very hard for myself because I enjoy them that way, you know, harder than most people would care to do, that's true. " Bob NP: Clem Snide, "Joan Jett of Arc" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:23:21 EST From: Gloane1@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #594 PLEASE TAKE MY EMAIL OFF YOUR EMAIL SENDING LIST. THANK-YOU!!! Ann Ward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:55:18 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Vanilla Sky & Joni! Just went to see Vanilla Sky tonight and I was pleased to see an appearance of Joni...not a song but one of her paintings in the movie...a nice surprise...and a great movie, directed by Cameron Crowe...go see it when you get a chance...kind of freaky, weaving in and out of dreams, nice cinematography. A freaky thing happened on my way home. I was in the parking lot walking to my car, found it, and put the key in the lock but it wouldn't open, I looked at it and it appeared to be my car, then I looked at the back window and there were no dancing bears and I looked a couple of spaces over and found I was at the wrong car, but it was the same exact model and the same color...it seemed for a moment that I could all of the sudden just slip into a different reality and drive away in this other car and become someone else...every minute is full of possibilities... Victor --- Johnson Victor--- waytoblu@mindspring.com--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:51:11 -0800 From: Lance Michel Subject: Re: Arthur Lee...... I don't a 100% remember, but I think the reason the sentence was so stiff was because it was a '3-strikes-your-out' kinda thing... California is pretty strict and harsh with that kinda s*it, especially if you are black... I agree with those folks that count Arthur Lee and Love right up there with the most artistic and creative bands of the 60's, heck of all time really...:-) "Forever Changes" is a classic and a must have.... Hope y'all are doin' well and having a wonderful Holiday Season, and that you and yours are Healthy, Happy, and Loved....:-) Be Well...Sir Lance :-) - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:46:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cmiars well then, for all the newbies who may not have been through this debate, i MUST speak up for CMIARS! this is the record that returned me to join...after my wandering ways for a few years ...so i really like it for that reason.. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #385 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?