From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #384 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 384 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: TTT (or: "after you shoot Bob, Shoot me too") [Nuriel Tobias ] Covers #24 [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Hejira lost [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") ["Johnson Victor" ] extended shiny toys [very short but jc because it is about one of her songs] ["Wally Kairuz" ] argghh! ["Rachael DeRoest" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:34 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) Or it could be about a nun addicted to bars :-) jan gyn wrote: > > > I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in > > the 70s, called > > >"Nun Like A Lover." :-) > > >Best regards, > > >Gary > > There should be a TV show about a Nun who's studying to be a lawyer called > 'Bar > Nun'. > Sorry, > -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") In a message dated 12/13/01 8:19:30 AM, owen.duff@ntlworld.com writes: << NRH is pretty much (dare I say this) a middle aged album - she sounds half asleep on most of it, the rhythms are plodding, melodies unadventurous and the chord sequences cliched. >> When did it become a crime to be middle aged? What makes plodding rhythms, unadventurous melodies and cliched chord sequences symptomatic of a middle aged artist? (Funny, I hear it more often in younger performers who haven't yet hit their stride or found their voice.) Why were the recording artists of my parents' generation given carte blanche to live and even thrive after the age of 40? Who gave Satchmo or Sinatra or Ella or Judy Garland or Nat King Cole or any of the legends of that era the right to be great and to express themselves after the first gray hairs started sprouting? Next time you wonder why Joni is reluctant to write or record new music, think about this comment -- and about what our youth-obsessed culture and the music business are doing to so many people who are not at all ready to be put out to pasture. I'm sure beach tar hasn't touched her blessed feet in decades. Why should she be writing or singing about feelings or experiences that have nothing to do with her current situation which is, um, middle age? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:35:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") bobo, how i love it when you slap us all about a bit! wally, a glutton for murpheene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:38:37 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") In a message dated 12/13/01 7:36:29 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << how i love it when you slap us all about a bit! >> Any more impertinence from you and I'll tan your hide, mister! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:39:57 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") Oops! Now I've forgotten the NJC tag. My turn for a good slap! Sorry. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:45:13 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni & Anjelica Surprised to see there weren't any comments about Anjelica Huston's tribute to Joni at the Toronto festival. I just think it is so cool that Joni and Angelica are buds. It fIgures, two hip chicks like that, about the same age. Headstrong, arty types; party gals. I love Anjelica Huston's work, check out her movies, Enemies a Love Story, Pritzi's Honour, The Grifters, The Dead, Agnes Browne, and now the Royal Tanenbaums, which by all acccounts is fantastic. All these movies make for great entertainment.This is very good news! You may also know that Angelica is married to the sculptor, Robert Graham, who does amazing work. Such an arty set! Michael O ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: TTT (or: "after you shoot Bob, Shoot me too") "owen.duff" wrote: Nuriel wrote: "...TTT for Joni's worst album", "Where did that spirit go on TTT?" You're joking, right, Owen?" - ----------------------------- I do hope everyone understands that i only wrote the "You're joking..." part! Owen my dear, all i can say is that if in my next life i am a tree in the park i hope that someone holding his Taming The Tiger CD will sit in my shade. Nuri You wrote: "Im a frayed not - I really don't hear much going on on TTT. To me, Joni's >best work is either inspirational or insightful, or both, at it's *very* >best. TTT starts off well - Harlem in Havana is such an uplifting song, with >a great hook to the melody and production that reminds me of Court and >Spark. Then Man From Mars, which is a really beautiful tune (tho I *still* >can't decide if I like "big boohoo"). After that introduction, I felt the >rest was a real let down, I didn't feel it was musically adventurous, nor >was it saying anything particularly arresting - you could argue No Apologies >here but I find that the lyrics in the chorus have little to do with the >verse - moral decay yes, but the "lawyers and loansharks" come out of >nowhere! Turbulent Indigo was a different story altogether, it had >atmosphere and a great, angry energy to it, and the lyrics rank up there >with some of her best (the techniques she employs on a song like Borderline >are brilliant). It's a very personal thing, but few of the things I love >about Joni - melodies that are completely original yet totally uncontrived; >concise, intelligent, incisive and balanced lyrics loaded with dazzling >imagery; production that throws out the rule book (Burundi drummers looping >away years before sampling appeared) - are evident to me when I listen to >TTT. It was the first new Joni album (bar hits and misses) to come out after >I found her, so I desperately wanted to love it! Maybe in years to come I'll >listen to it with new ears and renegue on this, but I dont hold out a lot of >hope :( >Owen" _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) I thought it was about Roseanne sexlife. Nuri - --- Gary Zack wrote: >Or it could be about a nun addicted to bars :-) > >jan gyn wrote: >> >> > I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in >> > the 70s, called >> > >"Nun Like A Lover." :-) >> > >Best regards, >> > >Gary >> >> There should be a TV show about a Nun who's studying to be a lawyer called >> 'Bar >> Nun'. >> Sorry, >> -jan _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:41:50 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Covers #24 Covers #24 is great fun. Thanks again, Bob. It's so cool hearing somewhat obscure versions of Joni songs by other artists. This has been my lucky week for winning contests. :-) Yesterday morning I won 3 CD's with my submission for 'my trifecta'---a contest they do once a week on our local NPR (U of L) radio station in Louisville, WFPK-FM--adult alternative/jazz. It goes like this. Pick 3 songs that work together as a set of songs that have a similar sound and/or theme. And, God knows I hadn't won anything in years. This was my suggestion (see below) to the station, via e-mail: Here's 'my trifecta' suggestion... It's a set of oldies from 1967-1968 which showcase the absolute peak for female artists at that time. The three albums represented have a distinct similarity in production, and therefore make an excellent set of songs that work great together. 01. "Woman's Blues" by Laura Nyro (from "Eli And The Thirteenth Confession") 1968, Columbia 02. "Somebody To Love" by Jefferson Airplane's Grace Slick (from "Surrealistic Pillow") 1967, RCA 03. "I Need A Man To Love" by Big Brother & The Holding Company's Janis Joplin (from "Cheap Thrills") 1968, Columbia Both Janis Joplin and Laura Nyro were managed at the time by the ever resourceful David Geffen, and (coincidentally) all three women performed at the legendary Monterey Pop Festival in 1967. (end) The DJ read the entire note on the air. Needless to say, I was surprised and flattered (especially since it was the first time I'd ever entered the contest). XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:43:32 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Hejira lost Phyliss wrote: Can someone clue this non-audio-techno-gal out on this? Is there a new improved version? Where can I find it online???? (end) Regarding your question... The cheapest place I've found the remastered "Hejira" is at alldirect.com. for only $7.99 (+p&h), brand new--in HDCD. They're a great, reliable source I've ordered from many times in the past. Enjoy, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:42:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") > I'm sure beach tar hasn't touched her blessed feet in decades. Why should she > be writing or singing about feelings or experiences that have nothing to do > with her current situation which is, um, middle age? > > --Bob > Thank you, Bob! Very nicely put. One of my contentions about TTT (which I happen to love) is that if you haven't lived it, you probably aren't gonna get it. You might, but probably not. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:48:03 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Anjelica > Surprised to see there weren't any comments about Anjelica Huston's tribute to > Joni at the Toronto festival. I just think it is so cool that Joni and > Angelica are buds. It fIgures, two hip chicks like that, about the same age. > Headstrong, arty types; party gals. I love Anjelica Huston's work, check out > her movies, Enemies a Love Story, Pritzi's Honour, The Grifters, The Dead, > Agnes Browne, and now the Royal Tanenbaums, which by all acccounts is > fantastic. All these movies make for great entertainment.This is very good > news! You may also know that Angelica is married to the sculptor, Robert > Graham, who does amazing work. Such an arty set! > > Michael O I wonder if Jack Nicholson had anything to do with introducing these two? I agree, they are both extraordinary, talented women. One of my guilty pleasures is the first Addams Family movie. Casting Angelica as Morticia was a stroke of genius. 'Don't torture yourself, Darling! That's my job.' Or was that Smurphy talking to Wallushka? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:57:2 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") > When did it become a crime to be middle aged? > > What makes plodding rhythms, unadventurous melodies and cliched chord > sequences symptomatic of a middle aged artist? (Funny, I hear it more often > in younger performers who haven't yet hit their stride or found their voice.) Speaking of middle age, Neil Young "Silver and Gold" I thought was a brilliant album. He just seems to get better as he ages. Artists just have to go where they are led by their muse. I think "Night Ride Home" is a wonderful album and I think "Taming the Tiger" has a lot of merit as well. I don't listen to it as much as some of her other albums but I'd rather see Joni or anyone else for that matter, be true to themselves in their art and if they believe enough in something to release it to the world then I'll always be willing to listen because Joni's albums will always have that essence that is Joni. I wouldn't expect her or want her to put out ten more "Hejiras" or "Court and Sparks". The fact that she chooses to continue to write and release material I think is a blessing. Don't get me wrong...I think any work can and should be critiqued with an objective ear, by somebody anyway...But remember, "Everything comes and goes..." Victor Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:02:00 -0500 From: Mags Subject: contemplating Two Grey Rooms My suth'rn bro Bobs wrote: <> A gorgeous song...everyone who was at the Hommage this past October will remember the soulful rendition that Rebecca Jenkins did and how thrilled Joni was to watch and absorb this performance. Two Grey Rooms is a most beautiful, heart wrenching song..oh I love this rendition...no words yet...Joni talks about how it needs those loooong vowels or something... oh it is so special.....if you havent heard it yet, Bob will accomodate you np. Right bro? Just let him know and he will set you up with the goods. is it time to relive the discussion on what is behind the song? Id love to hear what people think...lots of newbies of late...so I invite you to spill . Mags, contemplating the collection Brei and I are building ...said in catgirl fashion woooohoooo!!! <> Trouble Child is so special to me, it was the second Joni song I heard way back when..and remains special. It was dedicated to me by the local DJ on our funkay fm radio stn. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:52:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: extended shiny toys [very short but jc because it is about one of her songs] i don't remember having heard an extended version of shiny toys. do we have that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:50:25 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged") My problem is I am just obesessed with it all. I love the new as well as the old. I even like the old giving at whack at the new and verse vica. Here in the cradle of jazz AND blues I am sometimes oveerwhelmed by the past history and my attempts to keep up with MTV and VH1, well I probably shouldn't go there. Anyways I was just interrupted by Freda hollering that Stink was on Leno and THANK GAWD I caught THAT. Geez is Russell Crowe *INTENSE* or WHAT??? (I DO need a shirt like the one Stink had on though, but i digress, yet AGAIN. Anyways I really hope Joni is writing and that we will have the chance to hear more stuff that the masses can disect in one way or the other and try to classify into their own perception of whatever. As long as she plays some more, *I* will be grateful if I get it or not, cause I know that later I might and if I don't I always have something to look forward to. Blessings to all and to all a good... Paz NP-almost zzzzzzzzzzzzz on 12/13/01 4:16 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/13/01 8:19:30 AM, owen.duff@ntlworld.com writes: > > << NRH is pretty much (dare I say this) a middle aged album - she sounds half > asleep on most of it, the rhythms are plodding, melodies unadventurous and > the chord sequences > > cliched. >> > > When did it become a crime to be middle aged? > > What makes plodding rhythms, unadventurous melodies and cliched chord > sequences symptomatic of a middle aged artist? (Funny, I hear it more often > in younger performers who haven't yet hit their stride or found their voice.) > > Why were the recording artists of my parents' generation given carte blanche > to live and even thrive after the age of 40? Who gave Satchmo or Sinatra or > Ella or Judy Garland or Nat King Cole or any of the legends of that era the > right to be great and to express themselves after the first gray hairs > started sprouting? > > Next time you wonder why Joni is reluctant to write or record new music, > think about this comment -- and about what our youth-obsessed culture and the > music business are doing to so many people who are not at all ready to be put > out to pasture. > > I'm sure beach tar hasn't touched her blessed feet in decades. Why should she > be writing or singing about feelings or experiences that have nothing to do > with her current situation which is, um, middle age? > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:58:47 +0800 From: "Rachael DeRoest" Subject: Re: Joni & Anjelica What about anjelica and joni and this tribute thing? I would not have imagined they really even knew each other. But that is very cool. I adore Anjelica and i agree mark..one of my fave movies is the first addams family movie. Anjelica is a fabulous morticia. Did you know they originally wanted Cher and Jack Nichalson for Gomez & Morticia!? That just would not have worked for me...raul julia did a fabulous job as gomez. My fave quote from the movie... "Gomez...Last night you were, unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me...Do it again."-Morticia ;o) Rachael - -----Original Message----- From: "Mark or Travis" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:48:03 -0800 To: "michael o'malley" , Subject: Re: Joni & Anjelica Re: > Surprised to see there weren't any comments about Anjelica Huston's Re: tribute to Re: > Joni at the Toronto festival. I just think it is so cool that Joni Re: and Re: > Angelica are buds. It fIgures, two hip chicks like that, about the Re: same age. Re: > Headstrong, arty types; party gals. I love Anjelica Huston's work, Re: check out Re: > her movies, Enemies a Love Story, Pritzi's Honour, The Grifters, The Re: Dead, Re: > Agnes Browne, and now the Royal Tanenbaums, which by all acccounts Re: is Re: > fantastic. All these movies make for great entertainment.This is Re: very good Re: > news! You may also know that Angelica is married to the sculptor, Re: Robert Re: > Graham, who does amazing work. Such an arty set! Re: > Re: > Michael O Re: Re: I wonder if Jack Nicholson had anything to do with introducing these Re: two? I agree, they are both extraordinary, talented women. Re: Re: One of my guilty pleasures is the first Addams Family movie. Casting Re: Angelica as Morticia was a stroke of genius. 'Don't torture yourself, Re: Darling! That's my job.' Or was that Smurphy talking to Wallushka? Re: Re: Mark E. Re: Re: - -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:06:01 +0800 From: "Rachael DeRoest" Subject: argghh! Do any of you h\know how totally frustratin it is to be a newbie and not have a clue what yall are talking about...hehehe :oD I have not be a "newbie" when it comes to an artist in so long. I am used to being the expert and always having something to say...but i have to admit it is really interesting to hear ya'll defend the different albums. The albums I have right now are "Court&Spark", "Blue", "Ladies Of the Canyon" which i have listened to religiously for a few months and I just bought "Clouds" yeaterday. Oh yeah and i have "Both Sides Now" & the "words & Music" which were promos from Reprise to the radio company I was working for. They don't play joni's stuff so i swiped them! (Shhh...don't tell them..hehehe) Anyhow...thanks to all for the warm welcome! - -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #384 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?