From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #383 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 383 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #590 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: No real JC: Modes and dulcimers [FredNow@aol.com] Re: hi all [FredNow@aol.com] Pride and Prejudice [Gordon Mackie ] Today's Articles: December 13 [les@jmdl.com] re: Joni tributes ... some river thoughts and thirtysomething thoughts [M] Married To It [Nuriel Tobias ] old 45 ["Mike Hicks" ] Later, Joni ["owen.duff" ] Alternate Blue [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni on thirtysomething/John Mayer [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Extra Laundry Verse ["William Waddell" ] Something I downloaded ["William Waddell" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] The 7 years song [Nuriel Tobias ] re:chattering [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Something I downloaded [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Something I downloaded [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Nun Joke (nlc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Nun Joke (nlc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: hi all [Michael Paz ] Re: joni on thirtysomething/"chick show" ["Sybil Skelton" ] Alternate Blue [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Later, Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Welcomes; Guantanamera; JC & JM (VLJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [jan gyn ] Re: 7 years and a question for Bob [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Dog Eat Dog ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [Michael Yarbrough ] Hejira lost ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Later, Joni [colin ] Re: Later, Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] (no subject) [WARREN901@aol.com] TTT ["owen.duff" ] Re: Later, Joni ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: joni on thirtysomething/John Mayer ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Joni and Nuns (sjc) [Gary Zack ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:33:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #590 EXCELLENT choice! We have a baby Taylor for vacations (easy to fly with) ... a good choice for kids as they are great quality & the neck is normal size...just the body is small... >>>Kate in SoCal - My husband and I purchased a guitar for our teenaged daughter for Christmas. Though she has expressed some interest, she doesn't play (yet!) so we did not want to invest tons in something she may have little interest in. After much searching, settled on a Taylor "Baby", as she is very petite and does not easily handle standard sized guitars. I thought of you immediately. It has a beautiful sound, and is so nice and portable as well. <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:47:48 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: No real JC: Modes and dulcimers Sure. Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: > >I am considering *attempting to lead a workshop/swap at the Jonifest NE2002 >Campathon on Joni's dulcimer tunes. This might get somewhat into modes >and >theory, or at least a practicum of all that. > >And....altho I play the thing I am finding my understanding of modes is >a >little scant. My study is coming along, but I'm still needing some aha's! > >Are there any dulcimer players or modal theorists (Steve, Fred, others?) >who >would >have an interest in some messaging offline on this subject? > >Mixolydianly yours, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:56:42 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: hi all >and especially the >Alternate Blue Qu'est-ce que c'est? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:33:38 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Pride and Prejudice Dear All Was it pride when I heard about Joni's Grammy honour and was it prejudice when I heard that it also included Perry Commo. I think not! Magic moments Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:38:46 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 13 On December 13 this article was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Hangs It Up" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691213rs.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 654 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:37:29 -0500 From: Mags Subject: re: Joni tributes ... some river thoughts and thirtysomething thoughts honey boi Brei wrote: <> As far as the Hope and Michael show, no surprise that I am a big thirtysomething fan too, sad to say that I am not able to see those reruns (no cable). I do get to hear the soundtrack whenever my heart desires, so that is a good thing! and btw, Hope was lucky too ;-) I keep hearing Robert Downey Jr's soulful version of River...he performed that on Ally McBeal , (yes I know, this has been mentioned a gazillion times here !) Can't help it, I really love it!!! <> this is such a beautiful performance !!! Guaranteed to bring on the tears for certain. I recommend Karla highly. <> guess I'd better light some more candles dear ;-) five tonight. magsie the shiksa xoxox - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Married To It Hello dear people, If you want to rent a video with a major-lovely Joni tribute you realy should check this one out - "Married To It" - --------------- Director: Arthur Hiller Starring: Beau Bridges Stockard Channing Robert Sean Leonard Mary Stuart Masterson Cybill Shepherd Ron Silver "When three married couples come together to plan a children's pageant they learn more about themselves, adulthood, marriage and what it takes to stay together. Together they face their regrets and count their blessings in this humorous look at commitment. Three New York City couples befriend one another, despite class and age differences, at a small private school where one is employed and the rest send their children. The plot centers around the couples' attempts to stage a pageant on 1960's themes for the school, which eventually causes each couple to argue and reassess marriage" And what 60's theme was staged? The Circle Game! A 10 minutes long lovely scene in the end of the movie where the childern sing it and dance to it and act the lyrics - so the whole song becomes an amazing and colourful show. That makes the movie realy worth renting. Did anyone else see the movie or this beatiful Circle Game scene in the end? Love to know. Yours, Nuriel "I do my best in the boardroom and the bedroom." -- Claire Laurent (Cybill Shepherd) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:11:37 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: old 45 My wife and I were at this Amish restaurant in Blackville, S.C. We were looking around at all the antiques and I found a 45 rpm record case. It was an orange psychedelic looking '70ish case that holds about 50 45's. Some were still there in mint condition with original sleeves. Melanie "Beautiful People (with original picture sleeve), Neil Young "Sugar Mountain", Neil Diamond and several others. I wish I had purchased this relic. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:15:37 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: Later, Joni I agree that Dog Eat Dog is a class act - there are some great angry lyrics in there, and the production works to unify the album as far as Im concerned (maybe I like the 80s sound cos Im an 80s kid tho - it always reminds me of films of my youth like 'Mannequin' and 'The Breakfast Club'!) The tunes are also far more engaging than those on 'Night Ride Home', for example. In fact, I'm gonna risk a lynching by suggesting that for me, there's a toss up between NRH and TTT for Joni's worst album. NRH is pretty much (dare I say this) a middle aged album - she sounds half asleep on most of it, the rhythms are plodding, melodies unadventurous and the chord sequences cliched. Don't get me wrong, I like Come in From the Cold, Slouching Towards Bethlehem and I LOVE Two Grey Rooms, but the rest are either dull or embarassing (stand up Ray's Dad's Cadillac). Similar situation with TTT, although at least when I heard the first two tunes I thought it was gonna be a really good album. Why did Joni just settle back into those boring VG-8 guitar numbers when she had some great production going on on Harlem in Havana and Man from Mars? And theyre all in the same key! I mean, compare TTT with the musical energy and innovation of CAS - thats music that takes your breath away (when the strings kick in on Same Situation - wowser!). Same story with DJRD - exhilarating! Where did that spirit go on TTT? Especially after the brooding, dark and intelligent works on Turbulent Indigo showed that Joni was still a master (and a half). Now thankfully she's pioneering again - Coyote by an orchestra - now who can say what THAT's gonna sound like! Just my two cents worth. I'm off down the bunker in anticipation of an angry NRH loving mob! Owen (who is doing a compilation of later Joni songs for his mum, who says she "went weird" after Hejira-tsk!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:37:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Alternate Blue <<>and especially the >Alternate Blue Qu'est-ce que c'est?>> This is no great shakes in my opinion. In a nutshell, all it is is Blue without "All I Want" & "Richard", substituting "Hunter" and "Urge For Going" instead. Now, if you haven't heard "Hunter", it's worth having, but that same studio versio is available on "The Hissing Demos" which is certainly an essential. The other songs are the same releases that would appear on the official Blue. The story is that Reprise wanted to pressure Joni to release her next record as she was on a roll, so they sent her tapes to the record plants. This forced Joni's hand to complete the project so it would be as she wanted it. There is more info & scans of the "alternate" labels at JoniMitchell.com, look in the "Bio" section for the period 1971 to 1973. And if you should want copies of either of these CD's, I'm always glad to share. Bob NP: Joni, "Shadows & Light", ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:46:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on thirtysomething/John Mayer <> Thanks for the info about 30-something, Jane...goes to show I didn't watch that show much. It was pretty good, but had a chick feel to it. I just watched it because I lusted after all the female characters on the show! ;~) As for Mayer, I remembered your comments, and after he played here (I wasn't able to make it), I asked the club owner how the show went. He said the place was PACKED, and when he called Mayer's management to get him again, he was told that John was now too big to be booked in that small of a hall. So, I did pick up the CD (Room For Squares) this weekend. And I was blown away...this is a better Dave Matthews record than Everyday! ;~) But seriously folks, these songs are the bomb, and the guy is a definite player to be reckoned with. I just didn't gush about him because I just got through gushing about Ryan and I figured nobody would pay attention. Anyway, I haven't filed away my Ryan yet, but John is now getting the prime airtime in the Muller abode. Thanks for the lil' de-lurk, Jane! Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter medley" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:27:05 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Extra Laundry Verse Michaez Paz wrote; I have heard the Hissings but what is the Alternate Blue? Also just a thought on that nun story. Gary Zack wrote; If ever Joni needs material for an additional verse of The Mag Launds! It's almost screaming out to be written!! Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:31:33 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Something I downloaded Does anyone know if Joni has ever done a song called One Tin Soldier Rides Away? W t S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:14:03 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in the 70s, called >"Nun Like A Lover." :-) Thanks for all your info, Gary. I always liked nuns too........at least most that I was taught by. (some could be real bears) (twelve years of catholic schools and boy do I have some stories.....but you learned.....or else!!!) You'll have to share your song sometime......IS NUN a play on words as in NONE? >Best regards, > >Gary > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > >>>Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the > > >>mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? _________________________________________________________________ > > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:23:53 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The 7 years song Hi everyone, I rememebr when Joni got the award for TI (oh my, that could be some other Joni award, there are so many it confuses me, so forgive me if i'm wrong)- anyway, it's not the award, it's something she said that evening that still makes me wonder. I saw it in the Asian Music TV network of Star World. A lovely girl from China was hosting the show where she was walking backstage and talking to the winners of that evening. She found Joni and the 2 girls had a little chat. One of the questions was "How do you write your songs?" - which made all of us here watching it go "OHHHHHHH, THAT GIRL DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GETTING HERSLEF INTO"...:) Joni didn't mind the question at all. She said her compositions raise from her inner mantras and that all of her songs are her mantras. But then she said, and i rememebr it very clearly "It took me seven years to write the lyrics to one of my songs" and she smiled from ear to ear and eye to eye. That was, more or less, the end of the interview. I've been wondering ever since then about the 7 years song. Joni made it clear that it was the lyrics of the song that took 7 years to write which makes it even more magical. I have no idea, i'm afraid. What you think, everyone? What is Joni's 7 years song? Yours, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 07:07:44 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re:chattering Unless someone is making a quick and whispered comment to a companion about the music itself, I think it's really rude to talk during a performance. Last Saturday night, Russ and I went to dinner and stayed for the live music afterward. We were surrounded by 20-somethings, all still in college. They were there to support the duo on stage. Now, we sat attentively, enjoying the music of these two strangers while the 'kids' all yakked away. I listened especially to their original material (it needs polishing...). They probably never realized that the two "oldies" in the front seats were their best audience... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:09:34 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something I downloaded <> No, it's a song by Coven. Some twit uploaded it to Napster as a Joni song and now it's out there in cyberville as a JM song. Paul, here's another one for the FAQ! ;~) Bob NP: Just Like This Train ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:09:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Something I downloaded <> No, it's a song by Coven. Some twit uploaded it to Napster as a Joni song and now it's out there in cyberville as a JM song. Paul, here's another one for the FAQ! ;~) Bob NP: Just Like This Train ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:14:32 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nun Joke (nlc) In a message dated 12/13/01 9:15:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > . I always liked nuns too........at least > most that I was taught by Speaking of nuns: Today's articles Dec 13th She conveyed this feeling through her manager, Elliott Roberts, as she left her Los Angeles home for a month-long vacation in Canada. Roberts said his client would spend most of that time with her family in Saskatchewan, performing only once during the month, at what he called "a nunsb convention near Toronto." Not counting the performance for the nuns - one of whom was reported to be a close friend of hers - Miss Mitchell will appear in the U.S. only five more times. and then there were those pink nuns in Philadelphia Remember Kakki, I think it was you who posted a link to their web site? http://www.fairmount1.com/pink.html A Melody In Your Name by Joni Mitchell Can you still remember how it all began? With clipper ships and pink electric trees, Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span, Street light on a rooftop memory. Then it was me and spring came, Playing a song of spring rain, A melody in your name. Night now comes much bluer than it used to be. The pink nun sings much sadder than before. She sings that sometimes things aren't what they Seem to be, like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor. Love is no more, it's ended. Paper and pins won't mend it; Even the moon pretended. There must be a reason, oh, there must be one. Keep your answers, let me find my own. Where do pretty stories get their endings from If loving always leaves you all alone? Kisses have shown me sorrow; Love is a throne to borrow; Pay for the loan tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:44:15 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Nun Joke (nlc) Very, very nice, Rose. Thanks for the post! How is this WOMAN able to come with such poetry? SHE sends shivers!! I'll check out the pink nuns. Bree >bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes:> > > > . I always liked nuns too........at least > > most that I was taught by > >Speaking of nuns: Today's articles Dec 13th >She conveyed this feeling through her manager, Elliott Roberts, as she left >her Los Angeles home for a month-long vacation in Canada. Roberts said his >client would spend most of that time with her family in Saskatchewan, >performing only once during the month, at what he called "a nunsb >convention >near Toronto." > >Not counting the performance for the nuns - one of whom was reported to be >a >close friend of hers - Miss Mitchell will appear in the U.S. only five more >times. > >and then there were those pink nuns in Philadelphia >Remember Kakki, I think it was you who posted a link to their web site? >http://www.fairmount1.com/pink.html > >A Melody In Your Name >by Joni Mitchell Can you still remember how it all began? >With clipper ships and pink electric trees, >Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span, >Street light on a rooftop memory. >Then it was me and spring came, >Playing a song of spring rain, >A melody in your name. >Night now comes much bluer than it used to be. >The pink nun sings much sadder than before. >She sings that sometimes things aren't what they >Seem to be, like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor. >Love is no more, it's ended. >Paper and pins won't mend it; >Even the moon pretended. >There must be a reason, oh, there must be one. >Keep your answers, let me find my own. >Where do pretty stories get their endings from >If loving always leaves you all alone? >Kisses have shown me sorrow; >Love is a throne to borrow; >Pay for the loan tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:57:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: hi all Fred and Willy My dear friend Bob is ja ja jaded cause he HAS EVERYTHING! I like it cause it is a different sequence than the actual realease and with the different songs it's a different album altogether. A must for any Joni collector! LOL Paz >Bob Muller wrote: >This is no great shakes in my opinion. In a nutshell, all it is is Blue without >"All I Want" & "Richard", substituting "Hunter" and "Urge For Going" instead. >Now, if you haven't heard "Hunter", it's worth having, but that same studio >versio is available on "The Hissing Demos" which is certainly an essential. The >other songs are the same releases that would appear on the official Blue. on 12/13/01 12:56 AM, FredNow@aol.com at FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> and especially the >> Alternate Blue > > Qu'est-ce que c'est? > > -Fred > Michael Paz wrote; I have heard the Hissings but what is the Alternate Blue? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:50:48 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: joni on thirtysomething/"chick show" Bob says: "Thanks for the info about 30-something, Jane...goes to show I didn't watch that show much. It was pretty good, but had a chick feel to it." Okay, I get it, Bob, "chick" TV shows are bad, "chick" music is good? Sybil (Just teasing ya) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:54:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The 7 years song <> Sounds to me like you're referring to "Two Grey Rooms", released on NRH in '91, and previewed instrumentally as early as 1983 when she played it as "Speechless" (called so because it didn't have words on it) on a BBC radio show. Bob NP: Trouble Child ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:57:35 +0800 From: "Rachael DeRoest" Subject: Re: hi all I am definitly interested...I was online all of last night trying to figure out how to get into the Joni trading game. I do a lot of trading with Fleetwood Mac and Heart but have never come across any big joni trading stuff...definitly gonna have to dip my toes into the water. Let me know what you need from me for those. Thanks Rachael - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Paz Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:53:09 -0800 To: Rachael DeRoest , Subject: Re: hi all Re: Welcome to the list Rachael! Take your time and go slowly with the Joni. If Re: you get it all at the same time you will end up like the rest of us (looking Re: like buzzards sitting on a fence waiting for something new and praying she Re: plays piano again and stuff like that). I envy you. Oh the joy to experience Re: each new album and take it all in. Be sure to grovel with some of the local Re: yokals here and pick up some of the live records, bootlegs, covers and Re: contributions (from the man hisownself Bob Muller) and especially the Re: Alternate Blue and The Hissing Demos. I would be happy to hook you up if you Re: are interested. Re: Re: Best wishes, Re: Re: Paz (in New Orleans) Re: Re: on 12/12/01 12:42 AM, Rachael DeRoest at roses_blue@email.com wrote: Re: Re: > HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am Re: > 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and Re: > work in radio and record promotions. Re: > Re: > I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click Re: > with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some Re: > of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with Re: > women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with Re: > the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete Re: > discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the Re: > sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing Re: > "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for Re: > themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances Re: > each story. Re: > Re: > Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this Re: > morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you Re: > have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me Re: > know. Re: > Re: > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or Re: > of her? Re: > Re: > Thanks Re: > Rachael Re: Re: - -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:07:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Alternate Blue <> But Michael, with today's technology, I could take Hejira, resequence it to a CD, and call it "Alternative Hejira"! Wouldn't make it a collector's item. (Unless I threw some of these Hejira demos on there!*) ;~) Matter of fact, the European market is having a field day doing exactly that with LOTC...there's one re-organization of the songs called "Ghosts", and the other one (with Joni with Peanut Man face) called "Girls In the Valley" or some such. They're marketed as collector's items and there seems to be a market for them. Now, if you had THE ORIGINAL TAPES that Reprise sent to the Record Plant...well then, you'd have something! And as for me having everything, no way. Matter of fact, I just got a new show about 2 weeks ago, and another new one coming in next week! And another further out on the horizon...Yippee! Bob NP: Raised on Robbery, Uniondale '76 *I don't have any Hejira demos - wish I did! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:35:52 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Later, Joni Looking for the right tree, Owen, I found long enough ROPE though!! :-) It is the very simplicity of the song "Night Ride Home" that make it such a gem! Riding a in car, top down, balmy moon-lighted night, not a care in this world......your sweetie is with you or you are thinking about your sweetie......What more do you want?? Passion Play: A masterpiece, A masterpiece,!! repeat after me.........she gets you thinkin on this one. I find it very rythmic and hypnotic.....I get lost very easily when listening to this song. The prose with the poetry; how does she convey all that she does in a five minute tune? Shear genius! DJRD:WE are in agreement with this one. Exhilarating.....pulsating. Strangely though, I didn't like it when it was first released, I had gotten it for a Christmas present,way back when......vinyl, of course. Because of out agreement on this one... your noose just got loose.... Bree In >fact, I'm gonna risk a lynching by suggesting that for me, there's a toss >up >between NRH and TTT for Joni's worst album. NRH is pretty much (dare I say >this) a middle aged album - she sounds half asleep on most of it, the >rhythms are plodding, melodies unadventurous and the chord sequences >cliched. Don't get me wrong, I like Come in From the Cold, Slouching >Towards >Bethlehem and I LOVE Two Grey Rooms, but the rest are either dull or >embarassing (stand up Ray's Dad's Cadillac). . >Same story with DJRD - exhilarating! Where did that spirit go on TTT? >Especially after the brooding, dark and intelligent works on Turbulent >Indigo showed that Joni was still a master (and a half). Now thankfully >she's pioneering again - Coyote by an orchestra - now who can say what >THAT's gonna sound like! Just my two cents worth. I'm off down the bunker >in >anticipation of an angry NRH loving mob! > >Owen (who is doing a compilation of later Joni songs for his mum, who says >she "went weird" after Hejira-tsk!) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:52:58 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Welcomes; Guantanamera; JC & JM (VLJC) Dear list members, I. Welcome, Rachael and Warren! Enjoy your stay. II. A list member, whose name is not in front of me now, is correct: A Guantanamera is a person from the Guantanamo Bay area. III. If all goes well, on Sunday, I shall attend a Judy Collins concert at The Grand Opera House, Wilmington, Del., and again hear that liquid-silver, sounds-like-amethysts voice singing, in all probability, one or more Joni Mitchell songs, among the other material. As Judy tours a lot more than Joni, this will be my 7th lifetime Judy concert, vs. 3 Jonis. I encourage anyone else from this list who is within practical travel range to come. Best to all, Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: 7 years and a question for Bob That must be it. Now that i'm thinking about Joni's introduction to the song in the Come In From The Cold videos i'm sure you're right. Thanks, Bob. BTW, Bob, something i wanted to ask for sometime now - What DON'T you know about Joni? No realy, what are the Joni and her work related stuff that you haven't found information about yet? Nuri - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Sounds to me like you're referring to "Two Grey Rooms", released on NRH in '91, and previewed instrumentally as early as 1983 when she played it as "Speechless" (called so because it didn't have words on it) on a BBC radio show. > >Bob > >NP: Trouble Child _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:16:20 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) > I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in > the 70s, called > >"Nun Like A Lover." :-) > >Best regards, > >Gary There should be a TV show about a Nun who's studying to be a lawyer called 'Bar Nun'. Sorry, - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:24:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 7 years and a question for Bob <> How can I tell you what I don't know if I don't know it? :~) Seriously, everytime I go to JM.com, or read the articles that Les posts about on JMDL.com, or just surf the www, I learn new stuff. And whether I like it or not, my brain hangs onto all the trivia. Because it interests me, I suppose. I'm sure the bio that I haven't read yet will also have some new info. I'm sure it comes off as me flaunting knowledge, when all I'm trying to do is help out folks who ask questions. And sometimes I'm wrong...just ask Mark D who stepped in to correct some erroneous information I served up regarding her 1976 tour. Bob, still learning, and after all, that's what life is for, right? ;~) NP: Take 6, "Amen!" (The most otherworldly harmonies I've ever heard...how they can achieve their sound is totally beyond me) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:23:23 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Dog Eat Dog > Don't know why the Dog Eat Dog is a dog conversation keeps coming up. It's a > great album. Someone needed to sound crabby in the 80s ... > > Now if you want to bellyache about an album ... the Chalkmark in a Rainstorm > was a washout. > Thanks, you make my point. I personally love DED but couldn't understand why it was such a worst selling album. I agree on Chalkmark.... Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:33:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog Me three. Love DED, hate CMIARS. Go ahead Les, kick me off. ;-) - --Michael NP: Prince, "Purple Rain" (is this one of the most perfect songs ever recorded or what?) - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks, you make my point. I personally love DED > but couldn't understand > why it was such a worst selling album. > I agree on Chalkmark.... > > > Laurent ===== ____________________________________________________ "Grab your ass and your purse." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, "Pocketbook" / Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:55:57 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Hejira lost CD UNIVERSE is the place on line - thats where i got my Hejira HDCD - definitely a vast improvement, it reintroduced this beautiful music to me. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:00:06 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Later, Joni > there's a toss up > between NRH and TTT for Joni's worst album. NRH is pretty much (dare I say > this) a middle aged album - you are in big trouble now!!! They'll have a fit at this! I don't agree with you about NRH at all but do agree with you about DED. TI< NRH< and DED are among my favourite albums. Mind you i suppose at 43 I am middle aged...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Later, Joni Owen wrote: "...TTT for Joni's worst album", "Where did that spirit go on TTT?" You're joking, right, Owen? Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:35:01 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: (no subject) hello all !!! thanks for such a warm welcome, its good to have an outlet for my " jonimania ." at the risk of sounding like a broken record i would just like to say, hey lets lighten up on CMIARS... being the consumate artist that she is, joni is always experiementing with something. some experiements might work better than others, i say you got to admire her for not cranking out the same old stuff album after album. i've been listening to joni since the release of LOTC in 1970 and it has been quite an incredible journey ! when ask which joni is my favorite, i honestly have to say which ever one i'm listening to at the time. gosh...1970...that's been almost 32 years. needless to say i have joni coursing thru every cell in my body. most of my friends say i've been obsessed every since i met joni, at the impressionable age of 18, in 1973. they're wrong though, it started with the very first note of LOTC 3 years earlier. oh i do carry on...i just wanted to give you all a sense of me and joni !!! i'm looking forward to my adventures with you folks and joni. i'm so glad i've found you...wkh p.s. i guess i should put some of this info in my " yet to be written " member profile ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:57:48 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: TTT Nuriel wrote: "...TTT for Joni's worst album", "Where did that spirit go on TTT?" You're joking, right, Owen?" Im a frayed not - I really don't hear much going on on TTT. To me, Joni's best work is either inspirational or insightful, or both, at it's *very* best. TTT starts off well - Harlem in Havana is such an uplifting song, with a great hook to the melody and production that reminds me of Court and Spark. Then Man From Mars, which is a really beautiful tune (tho I *still* can't decide if I like "big boohoo"). After that introduction, I felt the rest was a real let down, I didn't feel it was musically adventurous, nor was it saying anything particularly arresting - you could argue No Apologies here but I find that the lyrics in the chorus have little to do with the verse - moral decay yes, but the "lawyers and loansharks" come out of nowhere! Turbulent Indigo was a different story altogether, it had atmosphere and a great, angry energy to it, and the lyrics rank up there with some of her best (the techniques she employs on a song like Borderline are brilliant). It's a very personal thing, but few of the things I love about Joni - melodies that are completely original yet totally uncontrived; concise, intelligent, incisive and balanced lyrics loaded with dazzling imagery; production that throws out the rule book (Burundi drummers looping away years before sampling appeared) - are evident to me when I listen to TTT. It was the first new Joni album (bar hits and misses) to come out after I found her, so I desperately wanted to love it! Maybe in years to come I'll listen to it with new ears and renegue on this, but I dont hold out a lot of hope :( Owen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:20:17 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Later, Joni I found NRH pretty good, not great, and at times long to hear it. The other night was one of those occasions and nothing else was inside my mind, as far as anticipation. I plugged it in and the tape player ate it. There was an empty hole inside of me that night that nothing else could feel. Guess that says something for that album. I feel the way Owen does, about NRH, about Turbulent Indigo. Have yet to enjoy it and pretty close to giving up trying. Hejira, I read frequently, is a masterpiece. I have yet to get that but still trying to find it. Of course, C and S and For the Roses cannot be beat as far as I am concerned and Blue is excellent. Read earlier today someone saying the new member had some good times coming with albums they had not heard before. Me too and looking so forward to it. As far as the worst Joni album, so far, for me. I would say Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm. I hate it and I think it is basically because I can hardly hear Joni, much less know what she is saying. Hate the music on it. Owen? Joni, embarrassing. Joni on a bad day is better than average and nothing I have heard her do would I deem embarrassing. A middle aged album? What does that mean? I like middle age. A nice place to be. Mannequin- a silly movie but I enjoyed it. Pure fluff. The Breakfast Club- I had a troubled friend who thought it was the greatest movie ever. Average but did have its high points. Mack > I agree that Dog Eat Dog is a class act - there are some great angry lyrics > in there, and the production works to unify the album as far as Im concerned > (maybe I like the 80s sound cos Im an 80s kid tho - it always reminds me of > films of my youth like 'Mannequin' and 'The Breakfast Club'!) The tunes are > also far more engaging than those on 'Night Ride Home', for example. In > fact, I'm gonna risk a lynching by suggesting that for me, there's a toss up > between NRH and TTT for Joni's worst album. NRH is pretty much (dare I say > this) a middle aged album - she sounds half asleep on most of it, the > rhythms are plodding, melodies unadventurous and the chord sequences > cliched. Don't get me wrong, I like Come in From the Cold, Slouching Towards > Bethlehem and I LOVE Two Grey Rooms, but the rest are either dull or > embarassing (stand up Ray's Dad's Cadillac). Similar situation with TTT, > although at least when I heard the first two tunes I thought it was gonna be > a really good album. Why did Joni just settle back into those boring VG-8 > guitar numbers when she had some great production going on on Harlem in > Havana and Man from Mars? And theyre all in the same key! I mean, compare > TTT with the musical energy and innovation of CAS - thats music that takes > your breath away (when the strings kick in on Same Situation - wowser!). > Same story with DJRD - exhilarating! Where did that spirit go on TTT? > Especially after the brooding, dark and intelligent works on Turbulent > Indigo showed that Joni was still a master (and a half). Now thankfully > she's pioneering again - Coyote by an orchestra - now who can say what > THAT's gonna sound like! Just my two cents worth. I'm off down the bunker in > anticipation of an angry NRH loving mob! > > Owen (who is doing a compilation of later Joni songs for his mum, who says > she "went weird" after Hejira-tsk!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:23:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: joni on thirtysomething/John Mayer Bob wrote: I just watched it because I lusted after all the female characters on the show! ;~) ha ha Bob. I watched it a few times because Michael was cute but his character wasn't and so gave up. I didn't dig the rest of it and can't abide yuppies so couldn't watch for long. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:38:24 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Did Dolby Eat Dog Eat Dog? In the most recent discussions about the merits/lack thereof of Dog Eat Dog, Colin (I *think* it was you, love) said: <> I'm sure this is extremely old news, but here goes: I *loved* Dolby's albums of the early and mid '80's particularly The Flat Earth, which came out in '84, a year before DED came out: So my question: why did his treatment of her stuff come out so badly (a matter of opinion, of course)? Was her writing really kind of in a slump, or was his synth style just not the way to go for her, or is it just one of those "sum is not equal to smooshing together of parts" or some such? Is there some gossip that the often dissed (although the j-ster herself seemd to like --and still seems to like -- him well enough) Larry Klein talked her *into* collaborating with Dolby -- hard for me to believe -- I've always thought she made her own decisions (albeit conceivabley influenced by whomever she was seeing at the time), and cannot help but believe she liked what he was doing with his own stuff before and during that period of time. I also thought the collaboration *did* work well on some of the songs, e.g., Lucky Girl and maybe Ethiopia and Beautiful Dreamer -- although I've never heard any live or "acoustic" versions of any of these songs, so maybe it's hard for me to judge. Long enough. warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:52:23 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Extremely Late trivial trivia answer (sjc) Hi, Gang, I'm, as usual, several digests behind (problems with domestic partner's mom, who is undergoing meltdown; sigh) Pyramus wrote: Hey, Big Walt. Sorry if I missed your reply but what was the answer to the Bach/Costello album connection with Joni? Sorry for the extreme late answer -- I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew - -- Both Joni's "Man From Mars" and Costello/Bacharach's "God Give Me Strength" appeared on the soundtrack from the movie "Grace of My Heart". I understand from reading someone's posting here that there are some versions of this soundtrack that actually (accidentally released in small number before the mistake was discovered and "fixed") have an early version of Joni's version of the song -- rather than the version by the woman who sang all of the lead chareacter's songs in the movie (forget the singer's name -- someone help me here). warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:59:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Did Dolby Eat Dog Eat Dog? BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > In the most recent discussions about the merits/lack thereof of Dog Eat Dog, > Colin (I *think* it was you, love) said: > > < synth > music and 80's sound and Dolby's production.>> > yes it was me but i do not agree with those sentiments at all. I love the album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:05:42 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) > I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in > the 70s, called > >"Nun Like A Lover." :-) > Bree replied: > Thanks for all your info, Gary. I always liked nuns too........at least > most that I was taught by. (some could be real bears) (twelve years of > catholic schools and boy do I have some stories.....but you learned.....or > else!!!) You'll have to share your song sometime......IS NUN a play on > words as in NONE? > And Me: Thank YOU Bree, for your interest. It is a mid 70s song I co-wrote with a friend, and the actual title is never sung in the lyrics. I'll pull a couple verses from it and send them to you off-list, as soon as I refresh myself with that old tape :-). Yes, NONE is related to NUN in the song, because it's about an old lover calling, and how the writer feels like a nun, before her final vows. Is that too much info? (grin) Sorry, feels nice to share once in awhile. Best regards, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:16:19 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni and Nuns (sjc) Excellent Rose! Thank you so much for sharing that information. The first time I ever met Joni, (1969) a bunch of us were waiting outside the backstage door after the show. They weren't going to let us in to see her, and one girl in the crowd of 25 or so told the security gaurd, "I have a picture of this nun who's a friend of Joni's. She's really sick and I need to get this picture to her." I actually saw the photo and the nun belonged to the same order that taught me. Security guard took the pic, came back a few minutes later, gave it to her with Joni's autograph on the back. The girl wailed, "No, I have to GIVE it to her." He relented, opened the door and we filed in....and there was siquomb. So you see, a nun played a part in my meeting Joni for the first time! Best regards, Gary RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/13/01 9:15:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > > > . I always liked nuns too........at least > > most that I was taught by > > Speaking of nuns: Today's articles Dec 13th > She conveyed this feeling through her manager, Elliott Roberts, as she left > her Los Angeles home for a month-long vacation in Canada. Roberts said his > client would spend most of that time with her family in Saskatchewan, > performing only once during the month, at what he called "a nunsb convention > near Toronto." > > Not counting the performance for the nuns - one of whom was reported to be a > close friend of hers - Miss Mitchell will appear in the U.S. only five more > times. > > and then there were those pink nuns in Philadelphia > Remember Kakki, I think it was you who posted a link to their web site? > http://www.fairmount1.com/pink.html > > A Melody In Your Name > by Joni Mitchell Can you still remember how it all began? > With clipper ships and pink electric trees, > Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span, > Street light on a rooftop memory. > Then it was me and spring came, > Playing a song of spring rain, > A melody in your name. > Night now comes much bluer than it used to be. > The pink nun sings much sadder than before. > She sings that sometimes things aren't what they > Seem to be, like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor. > Love is no more, it's ended. > Paper and pins won't mend it; > Even the moon pretended. > There must be a reason, oh, there must be one. > Keep your answers, let me find my own. > Where do pretty stories get their endings from > If loving always leaves you all alone? > Kisses have shown me sorrow; > Love is a throne to borrow; > Pay for the loan tomorrow. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #383 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?