From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 382 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: December 12 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: December 12 [les@jmdl.com] hi all ["Rachael DeRoest" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni Tributes ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: hi all [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Tributes [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Tributes [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois ["Ron Greer" ] Re: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 [colin ] Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [jan gyn ] Re: hi all ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Nun Tragedy (nlc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething [Alison E ] RE: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Yvette Boys [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] dog eat dog ... [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog ["Laurent Olszer" ] The Yvette (Christina) boys are: [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: dog eat dog ... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: hi all [Randy Remote ] Re: dog eat dog ... [Randy Remote ] Re: dog eat dog ... ["hell" ] Hejira lost [Phyliss Ward ] Re: The Yvette (Christina) boys are: [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois [FredNow@aol.com] RE: Hejira lost ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Guantanamera [Chuck Eisenhardt ] No real JC: Modes and dulcimers [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni Tributes- thirtysomething ["Kate Bennett" ] "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Tributes [Brian Gross ] joni on thirtysomething [Jane Golden ] joni on thirtysomething [Jane Golden ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [Gary Zack ] Re: hi all [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:08:29 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 12 On December 12 in Joni Mitchell History: 1995: Joni appears on the Tonight Show - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:08:29 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 12 On December 12 this article was published: 1996: "Songwriters Honor Mitchell, Leiber & Stoller, Robinson" - Reuters/Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961212r.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 654 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:42:32 +0800 From: "Rachael DeRoest" Subject: hi all HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and work in radio and record promotions. I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances each story. Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me know. BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or of her? Thanks Rachael - -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:18:56 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 Don't know why the Dog Eat Dog is a dog conversation keeps coming up. It's a great album. Someone needed to sound crabby in the 80s ... Now if you want to bellyache about an album ... the Chalkmark in a Rainstorm was a washout. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:53:26 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Tributes After being out of print for long, I just received CPR's 7th performance ever in 1/97 on "Live at Cuesta College" which is available at crosbycpr.com. On this wonderful double CD's, Croz pays tribute to Joni as being one of the most important composers of the 20th century. He then proceeds to cover "For Free". After finishing the CPR CD, I switched on TV and watched a rerun of Ally Mc Beal. Sure enough, Ally sees herself as a little girl in this one and the music is: Joni. There was already the episode where Robert Downey Jr played "River" on piano. Joni is credited on Friends too. What other cool TV series with Joni have I missed? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:57:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: hi all <> Welcome, Rachael! Please ask away, and maybe before you do you can immerse yourself in a case of Joni by reading through the thorough "bio" sections at www.JoniMitchell.com, and also the article database at www.JMDL.com. An AMAZING amount of information can be found there. Further, a new biography by Karen O'Brien has just been issued this year, and while I haven't partaken of it myself as yet, I've only heard good things about it. <> E-Bay trades lots of Joni Mitchell stuff...posters are pretty common, but prints of her artwork are harder to come by. Maybe others here know more about that and can offer advice. Congrats on your discovery, and I look forward to your responses as Joni reveals her 'truth & beauty' to you. Bob (in South Carolina) NP: Peter White, "White Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tributes <> They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. Bob NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:43:26 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni Tributes Actually, I seem to remember hearing "River" on "Thirtysomething". My "fortysomething" brain may be teasing me but I don't think so. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. > > Bob > > NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:26:03 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois hi >"Kakki" wrote: >It must have been a sign this morning on KCRW when I heard Joni's gorgeous >singing on Brian Blade's song "Steadfast" from his album "Perceptual." >fred replied >>I recently got "Perceptual" and I've been listening to it constantly .. love >>it. while looking through our local cd shops "bargain bin" to find the des & dawn version of circle game to which all covers cd collectors were subjected, i found a copy of perceptual!! my eyes nearly popped out when i saw who was involved, and the price. i got even happier when i got home & put it on!! as jaco was to bass, so brian is to drums.... i also found a copy of a rory block album - anyone else listen to her?? (can a white man sing the blues? - maybe not, but this white *woman* sure can :-) so just to encourage all potential "covers" contributors out there - what goes around, comes around - only countless times better!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:26:54 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething Oh, I remember them using Circle Game on "thirtysomething", Joni's version no less. That was the one thing that got me to watch the show. Up until that point I thought that was the whiniest thing I'd ever seen, but I figured if they liked Joni, I'd give them another chance. Sybil >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: Joni Tributes >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST > ><> > >They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I >don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", >which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they >did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. > >Bob > >NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni Tributes- The best i've ever seen Few weeks ago i saw a movie om TV. I don't know it's name, i missed the begining you see, but Sybil Shepard was the star and the story was about 3 couples trying to solve their love pains. Then, at the last 10 minutes, i thought i was dreaming. I'm talking a MAJOR Joni tribute here. The last scene was when the couples find out that they still love eachother and that they'll always stick together so they all go to a party (Xmas party?) at a school where one couple's son is learining and the child and his class perform The Circle Game on stage. I thought it'll take a minute and that the scene will be fading out into the credits but to my surprise and thrill it was the whole song, EVERYTHING, and it was called "The Circle Game Show", abd what a show it was - The children were singing it and dancing and they were all wearing colourful clothes with feathers and angle-like wings and crowns and there was a staging and golden stars and beautiful lighting and it was sooooo lovely, Gosh, so very lovely. The camera was focusing on them and the grwonups, their parents, were in the crowd, holding hands and crying. This was the first time i've ever seen a Joni song in an film that wasn't a part of a soundtrack but a complete scene. I'll do my best to get some more information on this one, no doubt some of us already know. Nuri - --- "Sybil Skelton" wrote: >Oh, I remember them using Circle Game on "thirtysomething", Joni's version >no less. That was the one thing that got me to watch the show. Up until >that point I thought that was the whiniest thing I'd ever seen, but I >figured if they liked Joni, I'd give them another chance. > >Sybil > > > >>From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >>Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >>To: >>CC: >>Subject: Re: Joni Tributes >>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST >> >><> >> >>They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I >>don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", >>which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they >>did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. >> >>Bob >> >>NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:15:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog > I should have said REALITY instead of TRUTH because that may hopefully be a > less controversial concept? not really because all our realities are different! > > > Laurent - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:17:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 > Now if you want to bellyache about an album ... the Chalkmark in a Rainstorm > was a washout. well i think i agree on that one. i hardly ever listen to it. like Lakota tho. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:31:41 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) > The new nun goes to her first confession. She tells the priest > that she has a terrible secret and he tells her that her secret > is safe in the sanctity of the confessional. > > She says, "Father, I never wear panties under my habit." > > The priest chuckles and says, "That's not so serious. Say five > Hail Marys, five Our Fathers and do six cartwheels on your way > to the altar." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:33:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: hi all Hi, Rachael and welcome aboard to the JMDL!! I always like when someone young is discovering her music,so neat!! An older sister way back before you were born, 1975, turned me on to Joni's music when she took me to a concert during the "Court & Spark" tour. I was nineteen and have been a fan since. Now mind you, I knew nothing of her or her music when I attended this concert. She opened with "Help Me".......DAMN!!! IT WAS GOOD!! (BTW, Is there anyone in the Cincinnati area that was at this concert? It was at the University OF Cincinnati Fieldhouse.) There has NEVER < NEVER been an artist before or since that has reached my very core like Joni has! There is such a connection that I really can't articulate........so I don't even try.......but it's real and obviously enduring. Take care, and ask away........ Bree ><morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. >> > >Welcome, Rachael! Please ask away, and maybe before you do you can immerse >yourself in a case of Joni by reading through the thorough "bio" sections >at www.JoniMitchell.com, and also the article database at www.JMDL.com. An >AMAZING amount of information can be found there. Further, a new biography >by Karen O'Brien has just been issued this year, and while I haven't >partaken of it myself as yet, I've only heard good things about it. > ><work or of her?>> > >E-Bay trades lots of Joni Mitchell stuff...posters are pretty common, but >prints of her artwork are harder to come by. Maybe others here know more >about that and can offer advice. > >Congrats on your discovery, and I look forward to your responses as Joni >reveals her 'truth & beauty' to you. > >Bob (in South Carolina) > >NP: Peter White, "White Christmas" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:44:12 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) As a former nun, I object to this, it was seven cartwheels. JUST KIDDING!! Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? > > The new nun goes to her first confession. She tells the priest > > that she has a terrible secret and he tells her that her secret > > is safe in the sanctity of the confessional. > > > > She says, "Father, I never wear panties under my habit." > > > > The priest chuckles and says, "That's not so serious. Say five > > Hail Marys, five Our Fathers and do six cartwheels on your way > > to the altar." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:57:33 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) >>Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the >mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? What a weird coincidence ! I just heard this song on the radio a few days ago - "Dominique". They even talked about the song a bit and gave some history. I think it was just one nun, but of course her name escapes me, and the song apparently was a tribute to the founder of the nun's order, but I can't remember which order it is. Seems like it was French Canadian, but I could be wrong about that. The really strange part is that a few years later the woman killed herself. If I heard correctly, it was a double suicide - the nun and her female lover. How very very sad. I can only imagine how conflicted that woman was. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:11:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Nun Tragedy (nlc) "Dominique" was sung by a French or Belgian nun whose name I forget, since the only nun from the 60s that I can remember right now is Sally Field as SIster Bertrille. Anyway, at the time she was known only as "The Singing Nun." If I have my facts right, she later left her order, became an out lesbian and eventually committed suicide. So much for nun jokes! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething i loved that show, and will admit to occasionally watching the reruns on one of the cable channels... they used circle game and river, if i remember correctly. in different episodes. the "river" use was in a scene with the hunky gary who is lamenting the holiday season as single person i think. why is can remember this, i have no idea. other tv mentions include last season's will and grace episode. alison e. in slc np: ryan adams, gold. - --- Sybil Skelton wrote: > Oh, I remember them using Circle Game on > "thirtysomething", Joni's version > no less. That was the one thing that got me to > watch the show. Up until > that point I thought that was the whiniest thing I'd > ever seen, but I > figured if they liked Joni, I'd give them another > chance. > > Sybil > > > > >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > >Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > >To: > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Joni Tributes > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST > > > >< missed?>> > > > >They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on > "Dawson's Creek"...I > >don't think they ever featured her music on the > show "thirtysomething", > >which is a surprise as there would have been many > good fits I'm sure...they > >did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. > > > >Bob > > > >NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:24:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething same thing happened to me when they used ''river''. but then I realized the show was still insufferably artsy-artsy, so i stopped watching, joni or no joni. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Sybil Skelton Enviado el: Miircoles, 12 de Diciembre de 2001 01:27 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething Oh, I remember them using Circle Game on "thirtysomething", Joni's version no less. That was the one thing that got me to watch the show. Up until that point I thought that was the whiniest thing I'd ever seen, but I figured if they liked Joni, I'd give them another chance. Sybil >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: Joni Tributes >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST > ><> > >They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I >don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", >which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they >did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. > >Bob > >NP: The Penguins, "Jingle Jangle" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Yvette Boys Could anyone named Bob please shed some light on the backvocals singers in "Yvette In English"? I think it's lovely that Joni added male vocals to it and would love to know more about them. Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:42:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Yvette Boys Don't know that one, Nuri...does it list the singers in the credits for the song in the liner notes? Croz is surely one of them. While you're looking for that, check out Crosby's original submitted lyric that Joni bled all over: "We are speaking in tongues, you and I sometimes I can catch how the world looks through your eyes and I think Picasso drew you I wonder what wind blew you and your leaf-like life my way today the cigarette burns your finger and you return to earth flustered and not sure of your worth you slide sideways as slick as a cat It stays in my mind you moving electric like that The night has oozed into electric cafes and shadows are stealing all the people away. It's like an exhibition were the pictures are all sold The walls are getting lovely and I am getting cold." Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:13:53 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: dog eat dog ... hey lets lighten up on DED, i happen to think it is a wonderful album! granted, it took me a little longer than usual to warm up to it but when i did i found it to be as rewarding as any of joni's works. ( i especially liked " shiny toys .") i think all of joni's work is complex , it sometimes takes a long time to appreciate the subtlties in her music. as for the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an angry album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey that. as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and take offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith p.s. hey, i'm a virgin ! i'm new to the site that is. greetings to all you joni fans !!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:24:02 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) >>>Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the >>mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? > >What a weird coincidence ! I just heard this song on the radio a few days >ago - "Dominique". Seems like it was French canadian, but I >could be wrong about that. > >The really strange part is that a few years later the woman killed herself. >If I heard correctly, it was a double suicide - the nun and her female >lover. How very very sad. I can only imagine how conflicted that woman was. > >Sybil How tragic!! If this is true? I'm sure she was a former nun......because you must be celibate?! Jesus is your spouse. I hope this is just a rumor......you know how these kind of tales get started and become the truth. Well, a lot of times there is no validity to the story. And if it is true........she took vows which meant for her entire life and maybe she couldn't deal with the guilt of breaking those vows? Guilt can KILL a person, if one lets it! Bree >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:41:28 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog Colin commented: > > this album is about > > TRUTH. > > no it is about Joni's idea of truth. i love this album. > > > And, as you know, nobody likes facing the Truth, it's too hard! > > > > it is perhaps a too serious an album for many, but it isn't about TRUTH as you put > it. (see above). TRUTH, and i assume you put it in capitals to mean abosulute > truth, is not available to any of us. Just our ideas of it. Of course. most of our > troubles in the world stem from people thinking they know the TRUTH when all they > have is an idea. > That's an insightful point Colin about the root of all evil. Nevertheless, I don't think DED is about Joni's idea of truth: If you read the lyrics of "Fiction" you will see that she depicts everything as fiction (which I think it is) but she never mentions anywhere that she holds the Truth. All she's saying is "I can't decide/ thruth/fiction." As far as other themes on the album, it seems to me Joni is just doing straight talk about REALITY. I should have said REALITY instead of TRUTH because that may hopefully be a less controversial concept? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Yvette (Christina) boys are: Here's what i found - The male (back) vocals in Joni's "Yvette In English" are: 1.Charles Valentino - Not only was he one of the musicians in Joni's "Wild Things Run Fast", but the amazing jonimitchell.com has a colourful painting of the men painted by Joni. "Charles Valentino, well known to many of Joni's fans from his appearance in her "Painting With Words and Music" video, tells an interesting story about the portrait Joni painted of him. The photograph used for the painting was taken as he walked along the Pacific Coast on an unusually cold day; the photographer saw a huge wave coming up behind him but didn't tell Val about it, apparently wanting to get a few shots of him with "the wet look." It might look great, but it was mightily cold. Val was none too pleased about being surprised by a wall of cold water as the picture was taken. Brrr ah, the things people go through for art!" (From jonimitchell.com - paintings page) 2. Kris Kello - Sorry, folks, but my research revealed that this man was the arranger and producer of Christina Aguilera and Puff Daddy...so i'll leave him by the Seine alone. Bob - Thank you for the ever so interesting lyrics in your post. What version of the song you like the most (need i ask...)? Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:17:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Welcome, Warren...very bold of you to defend DED on your very first post! :~) Definitely some nice moments on that record. I was reading about Lennon's "Imagine" in the latest Rolling Stone, and it reminded me of "Impossible Dreamer", which is a great composition. When you stand DED up to what else was out there in 1985, it looks OK. It's only when you prop it up against most of her other work that it begins to pale. Looking forward to hearing more outta ya'! :~) Bob NP: Vonda Shepherd, "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:19:55 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Greetings to you! I hope you like the site. I like Dog Eat Dog because it is around this time of year that I originally received it. It was the second Joni Album that I had in my collection, and somehow it fit. Sythetic sound or synthesizers can have an odd emotional effect on me, maybe it is in the era i grew up or maybe I am just open to that type of sound, but I do find the album to be fetching for what it is worth. It is sort of like that second cousin you just like to ignore, but cant help giving him the credit for being an existentialist. BLair _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:29:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hi all Hi Rachael, and welcome to the list... The best background, I think, is the music itself. Everything else is secondary!! While other people have their favorites, my suggestions are: For The Roses Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira For starters! RR Rachael DeRoest wrote: > HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and work in radio and record promotions. > > I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances each story. > > Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me know. > > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or of her? > > Thanks > Rachael > -- > > _______________________________________________ > 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! > > http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:31:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Hi Warren, welcome to the fray... I appreciate your comments on DED, well said. RR WARREN901@aol.com wrote: > hey lets lighten up on DED, i happen to think it is a wonderful album! > granted, it took me a little longer than usual to warm up to it but when i > did i found it to be as rewarding as any of joni's works. ( i > especially liked " shiny toys .") i think all of joni's work is complex , it > sometimes takes a long time to appreciate the subtlties in her music. as for > the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an angry > album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey that. > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and take > offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! > i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey > this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its > because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith > > p.s. hey, i'm a virgin ! i'm new to the site that is. greetings to all > you joni fans !!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:41:12 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Bob wrote: > Welcome, Warren...very bold of you to defend DED on your > very first post! :~) Yes, welcome to the best discussion list ever! And we have the best parties, too...... > Definitely some nice moments on that record. I was reading > about Lennon's "Imagine" in the latest Rolling Stone, and it > reminded me of "Impossible Dreamer", which is a great composition. > > When you stand DED up to what else was out there in 1985, > it looks OK. It's only when you prop it up against most of her > other work that it begins to pale. OK, here's a little exercise that might help anyone who doesn't "like" DED (which personally, I love - it's in my Joni top five). Get yourself a copy of the William Shatner/Leonard Nimoy classic, "Spaced Out - The Very Best Of....". Listen to it five consecutive times at least, but play Both Sides Now and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds ten times. NOW play Dog Eat Dog. Doesn't it sound good?! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:56:29 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Hejira lost I loaned my copy of Hejira to a starving artist friend to listen to on her long ride home from a show this weekend. She's hooked! I told her to go ahead and keep it and I'd get a new one 'cuz I thought there was a new improved HDCD version or something out. I've checked a few places and don't see it though. Can someone clue this non-audio-techno-gal out on this? Is there a new improved version? Where can I find it online???? - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:59:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Yvette (Christina) boys are: <> Well, I would have to say the final result...the original seems to be pretty unfocused. He was lucky to get Joni's help via fax! Maybe she'd do the same for you aspiring lyric writers...anyone know her fax #? ;~) Bob NP: Nat King Cole, "Silent Night" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:45:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois "Ron Greer" wrote: >i got even happier when i got home & put [Perceptual] on!! Glad you dig it, Ron. It's a beautiful work. >as jaco was to bass, so brian is to drums.... How so? Can you elaborate? Or is it just by virtue of both having worked with Joni? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:59:39 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: Hejira lost Can someone clue this non-audio-techno-gal > out on this? Is there a new improved version? Where can I find it > online???? > Hey! I did the same thing except I replaced Hejira because the one I had was skipping all over the place and needed to be given a decent burial. I bought my new HDCD copy at Borders books. I would think you could find it there online. Victor > - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:38:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... I'm a vigin too........I have her entire catalog, except DED. I am probably a bigger fan than you. ;-) Many people on the list think DED sucks, but you are so right about the sublties in her music. One of these days I will take the plunge and buy it. I did hear once the cigarette machine......sounded good to me, music to my ears. Welcome!! Bree > hey lets lighten up on DED, i happen to think it is a wonderful album! >granted, it took me a little longer than usual to warm up to it but when i >did i found it to be as rewarding as any of joni's works. ( i >especially liked " shiny toys .") i think all of joni's work is complex , >it >sometimes takes a long time to appreciate the subtlties in her music. as >for >the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an >angry >album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey >that. > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and >take >offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! >i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey >this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its >because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith > > p.s. hey, i'm a virgin ! i'm new to the site that is. greetings to >all >you joni fans !!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:31:05 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Guantanamera If I am not wildly mistaken (altho, that's happened before) I believe this song title derives from Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, which has or had a lovely beach before the US Navy sailed in. A woman from Guantanamo would be called a 'Guantanamera'. And this song has absolutely nothing to do with the Chinese-Irish WWF wrestler, Wonton O'Meara. un hombre sincero, ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:52:16 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: No real JC: Modes and dulcimers I am considering *attempting to lead a workshop/swap at the Jonifest NE2002 Campathon on Joni's dulcimer tunes. This might get somewhat into modes and theory, or at least a practicum of all that. And....altho I play the thing I am finding my understanding of modes is a little scant. My study is coming along, but I'm still needing some aha's! Are there any dulcimer players or modal theorists (Steve, Fred, others?) who would have an interest in some messaging offline on this subject? Mixolydianly yours, ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:43:57 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 Oh, now! Here we go again. C'mon kids, its not that bad. My Secret Place, Cool Water, Lay Down Your Arms, etc...these are some of the best listenin' this side of I don't know what. Far superior to DED, which I also like. I think that CMIARS is aging well, and in 20 years, will be better received by new converts than others from the 80/90's period, even say Turbulent Indigo (which is a great record, but not nearly as interesting.) CMIARS is smooth studio Joni, which I love. I couldn't possibly listen to the croaky, clunky Not To Blame one more time. Reuben Reuben colin writes: > > Now if you want to bellyache about an album ... the Chalkmark in a Rainstorm > > was a washout. > > well i think i agree on that one. i hardly ever listen to it. like Lakota tho. > > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, > Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:44:57 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... as for > the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an angry > album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey that. How many times have I said this?!! Thank you, Warren and welcome! I agree with this statement 100%! > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and take > offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! > i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey > this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its > because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith None of it is bad. Some of it I like better than others but imo Joni has never turned out a bad record. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething i remember an episode where they played In My Life...very poignant...(i am having a major beatle obsession right now...) >>i loved that show, and will admit to occasionally watching the reruns on one of the cable channels... they used circle game and river, if i remember correctly. in different episodes.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" i just recorded a song that begins & ends with this melody...i assume this song is now public domain? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:09:53 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni Tributes <> Bob answered: They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. Now me: To the contrary, both River and Circle Game were used on episodes of thirtysomething, one of my favorite non-cop television shows ever. Michael was sooooooo lucky ;-) And Karla Bonoff's performance of The Water is Wide still brings a tear (or two or three) to my eyes. Her music so touches my heart. back to lurking in dark places, Brei - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Golden Subject: joni on thirtysomething __________________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Golden Subject: joni on thirtysomething sorry for the previous blank email... I remember "River" on this show. Got my attention. I recall one of the characters, a single raspy-voiced woman, once singing/speaking a snippet of "All I Want". I believe she might have been making a video for a dating service?? "I want to knit you a sweater, want to write you a love letter..." The same people who produced that show now do one called, "Once and Again", and I have heard Rickie Lee Jones as well as Jonatha Brooke on that one. These guys may make whiny shows, but their musical tastes are pretty good. While I'm here out of lurkdom, a couple of things... Bob, in SC, I was interested to see your NP - John Mayer. Remember about six months ago I wrote you asking if you knew of this guy? He's a big deal here in Birmingham, comes around every couple of months. Nice to see he's catching on elsewhere. Kate in SoCal - My husband and I purchased a guitar for our teenaged daughter for Christmas. Though she has expressed some interest, she doesn't play (yet!) so we did not want to invest tons in something she may have little interest in. After much searching, settled on a Taylor "Baby", as she is very petite and does not easily handle standard sized guitars. I thought of you immediately. It has a beautiful sound, and is so nice and portable as well. Bye y'all. Jane Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:52:52 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) Unfortuately, this is a true story. The Singing Nun, Sister Luc-Dominique, also known as "Soeur Sourire" or "Sister Smile" had the hit with the song "Dominique." In fact, Ed Sullivan traveled to her Dominican convent in Belgium to tape her singing the song for his show in the 60s. You can read the details as they are known at the following address: http://deckers66.homestead.com/ Click on biography for the details. I still have her original vinyl album, as well as the same one on CD, and a second one on vinyl that she released just after she left the convent I believe. I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in the 70s, called "Nun Like A Lover." :-) Her story is very sad. The convent kept all monies from the song (as she was under the vow of poverty) and then the government went after her for back taxes after she left the convent. This was what I understand drove her and her lover to suicide, as they continued to live in the poorest of condtions while I believe, still trying to help others. Best regards, Gary Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > >>>Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the > >>mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? > > > >What a weird coincidence ! I just heard this song on the radio a few days > >ago - "Dominique". Seems like it was French canadian, but I > >could be wrong about that. > > > >The really strange part is that a few years later the woman killed herself. > >If I heard correctly, it was a double suicide - the nun and her female > >lover. How very very sad. I can only imagine how conflicted that woman was. > > > >Sybil > > How tragic!! If this is true? I'm sure she was a former nun......because > you must be celibate?! Jesus is your spouse. I hope this is just a > rumor......you know how these kind of tales get started and become the > truth. Well, a lot of times there is no validity to the story. And if it is > true........she took vows which meant for her entire life and maybe she > couldn't deal with the guilt of breaking those vows? Guilt can KILL a > person, if one lets it! > > Bree > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:53:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: hi all Welcome to the list Rachael! Take your time and go slowly with the Joni. If you get it all at the same time you will end up like the rest of us (looking like buzzards sitting on a fence waiting for something new and praying she plays piano again and stuff like that). I envy you. Oh the joy to experience each new album and take it all in. Be sure to grovel with some of the local yokals here and pick up some of the live records, bootlegs, covers and contributions (from the man hisownself Bob Muller) and especially the Alternate Blue and The Hissing Demos. I would be happy to hook you up if you are interested. Best wishes, Paz (in New Orleans) on 12/12/01 12:42 AM, Rachael DeRoest at roses_blue@email.com wrote: > HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am > 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and > work in radio and record promotions. > > I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click > with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some > of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with > women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with > the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete > discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the > sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing > "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for > themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances > each story. > > Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this > morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you > have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me > know. > > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or > of her? > > Thanks > Rachael ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #382 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?