From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 381 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: December 11 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: December 11 [les@jmdl.com] Newbie ["Tom Watson" ] Why Dog East Dog is a Dog ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni's bio & others [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog [colin ] Grammy Lifetime Award [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog (SJC) ["Scott Hertzog verizon" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 [Nuriel Tobias ] Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois ["Kakki" ] Re: Grammy Lifetime Award [Mags N Brei ] Re: Grammy Lifetime Award [Michael Yarbrough ] Jonifest Scholarship Fund [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] A case of You ["owen.duff" ] Album coherence (was: That Ole Blue v. Hejira...) [Shnootre@aol.com] Re: Childhood memories ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:01:42 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 11 On December 11 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award. And Joni receives the following awards from BMI: 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi" 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock" 2 Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me" 4 Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961212r.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:01:43 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 11 On December 11 these articles were published: 1976: "Mitchell Misses Her Own Mark" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761211lat.cfm 1995: "Birthday Suite" - New Yorker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/951211ny.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 654 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:25:28 +1100 From: "Tom Watson" Subject: Newbie Hi all I'm new to this list. Never knew it existed until a few days ago. Any kind souls that may be willing to trade copies of any of the JMDL CD Tree disks with me in Australia, please contact me off list. Thank you Regards Tom Watson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:26:34 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog This is a recurring theme but I like DED so I can't help wondering why it's at the bottom of the Joni's favourite list. There are several reasons why this is the case, such as sampling experimentations (Hi Bob) and the like. There is another possible explanation which has nothing to do with the music and which seems most relevant to me: unlike other songs where the lyrics depict fiction, this album is about TRUTH. And, as you know, nobody likes facing the Truth, it's too hard! What do you think? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:29:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's bio & others Some comments and a quiz about Joni at the following url: http://www.canoe.ca/JamBooks/dec8_musicbios-sun.html Bob NP: "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", Uniondale NY 2/20/76 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:11:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog > this album is about > TRUTH. no it is about Joni's idea of truth. i love this album. > > > And, as you know, nobody likes facing the Truth, it's too hard! > it is perhaps a too serious an album for many, but it isn't about TRUTH as you put it. (see above). TRUTH, and i assume you put it in capitals to mean abosulute truth, is not available to any of us. Just our ideas of it. Of course. most of our troubles in the world stem from people thinking they know the TRUTH when all they have is an idea. A lot of people have expressed their dislike of this album in terms of it's synth music and 80's sound and Dolby's production. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:21 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Grammy Lifetime Award In the LA Times: Joni with 4 others will recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award from Grammy this spring!!! Love Jenny Mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:33:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog <> Much of the TRUTH to which you refer deals with things which we're already too familiar with; materialism, hunger, politics and corruption. I don't think these songs were eye-openers for anyone. And obviously, as Joni fans we're not made uncomfortable by hearing her sing about unhappy subjects. She just did a better job of it on her other records, it feels too forced and cliche-ridden here. Stevie Wonder can write songs that make you feel emotional and compassionate about these same topics; Joni just comes off as being judgemental and crabby. There's some good stuff on DED to be sure, but it's a struggle to pull it up through the over-produced muck and heavy-handed writing. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this project soured Joni on the collaborative process and she'll never be willing to give up as much control on future works like she did on DED. Bob NP: Eric Clapton, "I Can't Hold Out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:33:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog <> Much of the TRUTH to which you refer deals with things which we're already too familiar with; materialism, hunger, politics and corruption. I don't think these songs were eye-openers for anyone. And obviously, as Joni fans we're not made uncomfortable by hearing her sing about unhappy subjects. She just did a better job of it on her other records, it feels too forced and cliche-ridden here. Stevie Wonder can write songs that make you feel emotional and compassionate about these same topics; Joni just comes off as being judgemental and crabby. There's some good stuff on DED to be sure, but it's a struggle to pull it up through the over-produced muck and heavy-handed writing. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this project soured Joni on the collaborative process and she'll never be willing to give up as much control on future works like she did on DED. Bob NP: Eric Clapton, "I Can't Hold Out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:57:09 -0800 From: "Scott Hertzog verizon" Subject: RE: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog (SJC) Are you absolutely sure about that? Scott I like DED. That's the absolute truth ;) it. (see above). TRUTH, and i assume you put it in capitals to mean abosulute truth, is not available to any of us. Just our ideas of it. Of course. most of our troubles in the world stem from people thinking they know the TRUTH when all they have is an idea. A lot of people have expressed their dislike of this album in terms of it's synth music and 80's sound and Dolby's production. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:58:21 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 Hi folks, just thought Id let you know Ive posted a cover of A case of You to the files section in JoniMitchellFans at groups.yahoo.com. I recorded it live then put some reverb on it, let me know what you think, also Im a little unclear on the legalities of posting cover versions on the net so if anyone thinks I should remove it I will. Thanks, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 Hi owen. Would you be as kind as to give us a link to the cover? I realy want to hear it. Thanks. Nuriel - --- "owen.duff" wrote: >Hi folks, just thought Id let you know Ive posted a cover of A case of You >to the files section in JoniMitchellFans at groups.yahoo.com. I recorded it >live then put some reverb on it, let me know what you think, also Im a >little unclear on the legalities of posting cover versions on the net so if >anyone thinks I should remove it I will. Thanks, >Owen _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:11:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois It must have been a sign this morning on KCRW when I heard Joni's gorgeous singing on Brian Blade's song "Steadfast" from his album "Perceptual." I've never heard it played on the radio before. Awhile later I checked out this week's music listings and saw that Brian Blade and Daniel Lanois will performing at Largo in L.A. tonight and tomorrow night! This should be incredible. I'm not sure which night I'll make but if any of the L.A. gang want to meet up, please let me know. The line up outside the door usually starts around 8 p.m. Here is the address. Kakki LARGO, 432 N. Fairfax Ave. A sit-down club with a strict no-chattering policy. Cover $12-$2. Full bar. All ages. (323) 852-1073 or 852-1851. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Grammy Lifetime Award Brei--- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > In the LA Times: Joni with 4 others will recieve a Lifetime > Achievement Award > from Grammy this spring!!! According to USA Today: "Bandleader/pianist Count Basie, vocalists Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney, soul singer Al Green and singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell will be honored with the 2002 Lifetime Achievement Awards at the 44th annual Grammy Awards, the Recording Academy will announce today. Producer/phycisist Tom Dowd and deejay Alan Freed will receive the Recording Academy's Trustees Awards. The Grammys will air live from Los Angeles Feb. 27 on CBS." Way to go Joni!!!!!! Happy Hanukkah everyone Brei np: a quiet office ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Grammy Lifetime Award From the NARAS press release: Five time GRAMMY Award-winner Joni Mitchell is one of the finest singers/songwriters of her generation. Born in Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada, Mitchell emerged from New York's folk circuit in 1967 and became known for her deeply personal songs and engaging performances. That same year she signed with Reprise and her first, self-titled album  co-produced by David Crosby  was released shortly after. An innovative and experimental artist, Mitchell's music has evolved from its early folk roots to embrace pop, rock, jazz, and multi-cultural world music, resulting in a creative legacy which has paved the way for countless contemporary performers. In addition to being a remarkable songwriter and recording artist, with hits like "Both Sides Now," "Help Me," "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Woodstock," Mitchell also has produced or co-produced all of her albums since her debut and even created the artwork for each of her album covers. Her album Blue was inducted into the GRAMMY Hall of Fame in 1999. - --Michael NP: Jill Scott, _Experience_ ===== ____________________________________________________ "Grab your ass and your purse." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, forthcoming Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:19:23 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Scholarship Fund Please remember that if you need financial help getting to Jonifest this year, you need to fill out the scholarship request form as soon as possible. There is quite a bit of money already collected, so please don't be timid about asking for help if you need it. The entire scholarship program is completely confidential, and the requests are kept strictly between that person and myself. So, if it's possible for you to get to Full Moon, but you need a bit of help paying for the Fest, GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Many, many thanks to all the very generous donations so far!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:49:10 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: A case of You Hi, the link, I think (Im a poet and I didnt know it!) is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoniMitchellfans/files/A%20Case%20of%20You%20. mp3. Im having a little trouble playing it from the group, but hopefully thats down to my crappy connection and nothing more. Ill also email it to anyone whos interested. Thanks, Owen (drunk o dear!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:18:18 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: Album coherence (was: That Ole Blue v. Hejira...) Bob wrote: Both are classics and brilliant of course...I've always thought Blue was more disjointed in terms of theme. I mean, you have some optimistic songs (All I Want, My Old Man, Carey), some songs of lost love (A Case of You, River, Blue), and some songs about travel (California, This Flight Tonight), and then she also throws in Little Green & The Last Time I Saw Richard which are very confessional/personal pieces. I don't think the record is overly depressing as do some, nor would I say that it's a happy record. I don't see an interconnecting theme as much as I do with HOSL, Hejira, C&S. I would think that the variety of themes and moods on Blue makes it a stronger overall package. Sometimes I feel that Hejira is a little too steady in comparison (although it certainly sounds like no other album). I'm curious about this issue of album coherence. The first album to stake a claim at it, "it" being the attempt to create a unified artistic whole rather than a handful of separate songs, was Sgt. Pepper's in '67 - and both stylistically and thematically that was all over the map. What it is it about HOSL, and C&S that makes them unified packages? Don't get me wrong - I agree that both are. C&S is my personal favorite, and I'd be curious to hear what people feel holds it together. What makes it (and any of the others) an album as opposed to a bunch of songs? dan s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:10:04 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Childhood memories I distinctly remember listening to 78 rpms- the only one which comes to mind is "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" from the Nutcracker! Tho I know there were others. And below the turntable was the book- A Scarlett Pimpernel! After that, I have fond memories of singing "Stewball Was a Racehorse"- Peter Paul and Mary, with my Father! Can't believe he even liked it. First albums of my own were a compilation of the times- The Ventures, etc. Then Chubby Checker- The Twist, and Tommy Mottola, as well as Connie Francis ;-0 Sweet memories! Best, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Laura Nyro- New York Tendaberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:36:13 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois >"Kakki" wrote: >It must have been a sign this morning on KCRW when I heard Joni's gorgeous >singing on Brian Blade's song "Steadfast" from his album "Perceptual." I recently got "Perceptual" and I've been listening to it constantly ... love it. I like Joni on "Steadfast" except she uses too much "jazz vibrato" at the end of long notes. That's a complaint I have with her standards and jazz singing, or anyone's for that matter. But it's an accepted practice, so it's my problem. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?