From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #379 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 379 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: December 9 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: December 9 [les@jmdl.com] Issey Miyake & Joni on Canadian Fashion TV [RoseMJoy@aol.com] finding light in the darkness [Mags N Brei ] For the Roses [Chuck Eisenhardt ] RE: For the Roses ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: For the Roses [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: For the Roses ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: For the Roses [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: For the Roses ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: My mom ... ["L. R. Fye" ] Re: For the Roses [RoseMJoy@aol.com] A little Joni in my day (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: For the Roses [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: For the Roses [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: [Fwd: finding light in the darkness] ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: finding light in the darkness When the the glory of the setting sun is laid to rest this evening, signifying the first night of Hanukkah, I will place our menorah in the window and listen as Brian sings the traditional blessings. The Jewish festival of Hanukkah begins at sundown with the lighting of the first candle on the menorah, and it continues until sunset December 17th. It is the beginning of the eight day festival of lights. One additional candle is lit each evening, using a candle called the shamash to light the candles. There are nine candles in total, the shamash, (the helper) and eight other candles,one for each night. The candles are lit from right to left just as Hebrew is read from right to left. The holiday is celebrated beginning on the 25th day of the month of Kislev on the Hebrew calendar, which is currently in the year 5762. The Hebrew word Hanukkah means dedication. The people rededicated their temple after many of the beautiful furnishings had been destroyed. The Jewish soldiers and Judah Macabaeus, who led them into the resistance after the death of his father Mattathias, cleaned the temple. They wanted to prepare a big celebration for the rededication. They searched everywhere for oil to light the menorah, which by tradition was kept lighted at all times. But they could find only enough oil to light the menorah for one day. According to the traditional story, a miracle happened and the oil lasted for eight days - the time it took to produce more oil. This is one of the many ways that Brian and I integrate our lives and our love for each another, as we continue along our life long journey together. It is my honour and privilege to be included in this beloved ritual that is an integral part of my Brian's life, heart, soul, and spirit. thank you to Brian and to our beloved brother Wally's touching post within which he shares how he celebrates this special time of year. It is with love and respect that I honour this special tradition. always and always, Mags xoxox - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:16:40 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: For the Roses I was talking to Murphy about the dearth of Joni references in Tim White's James Taylor bio (there are about six, and absolutely nothing at all that's relevatory. ) Which led me to look to he obviously JT marker-drawing in the For the Roses folio, facing the lyrics to the song...with a rose in the foreground... But I wanted to ask the list if anyone can point to a Joni statement that "For the Roses" was definitely written to or about James? There's enough circumstantial evidence for me, but I'm just wondering if there was ever a clear statement from Her. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:32:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: For the Roses is that JT???? i thought someone said that was judy collins! there's tat thing about the suspenders [SYS}. after she released FTR, taylor had that album out with the suspenders on the cover. joni said, ''the cat was out of the bag!''. not much of a statement but that's all i remember. oh wait... you mean the song, not the album? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Chuck Eisenhardt Enviado el: Domingo, 09 de Diciembre de 2001 01:17 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: For the Roses But I wanted to ask the list if anyone can point to a Joni statement that "For the Roses" was definitely written to or about James? There's enough circumstantial evidence for me, but I'm just wondering if there was ever a clear statement from Her. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:43:59 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For the Roses In a message dated 12/9/01 11:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: > ) Which led me to look to he obviously JT marker-drawing in the > For the Roses folio, facing the lyrics to the song...with a rose in the > foreground... > OK, so now you've got me looking at that drawing ChuckE....I guess I'm not going to get that tree up today. In the drawing I happened also to notice the cards on the table with only the 7 of hearts face up. Hearts can be derived from the suit of Cups in the ancient Tarot, it's symbolism signifying Love, emotions, fulfillment, and matters of the Heart. Oh, and elementally and astrologically, Cups are a water sign. James is a Pisces if I'm not mistaken That's my $.02 rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:52:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: For the Roses are you talking about FTR? where art the cards? wally, so confused now - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de RoseMJoy@aol.com Enviado el: Domingo, 09 de Diciembre de 2001 02:44 p.m. Para: chucke@tiac.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: For the Roses In a message dated 12/9/01 11:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: > ) Which led me to look to he obviously JT marker-drawing in the > For the Roses folio, facing the lyrics to the song...with a rose in the > foreground... > OK, so now you've got me looking at that drawing ChuckE....I guess I'm not going to get that tree up today. In the drawing I happened also to notice the cards on the table with only the 7 of hearts face up. Hearts can be derived from the suit of Cups in the ancient Tarot, it's symbolism signifying Love, emotions, fulfillment, and matters of the Heart. Oh, and elementally and astrologically, Cups are a water sign. James is a Pisces if I'm not mistaken That's my $.02 rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:03:12 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For the Roses The drawing that Chucke is referring to, is opposite the lyrics in the FTR songbook Wallister, I'll scan the page later and send it to you. roses ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:13:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: For the Roses oooooooooohhhhh... i thought chuck was talking about the album!!!!! i've been staring at judy collins portrait for HOURS trying to find the cards. i have no reading comprehension at all! thanks, for the rosie. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de RoseMJoy@aol.com Enviado el: Domingo, 09 de Diciembre de 2001 03:03 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; chucke@tiac.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: For the Roses The drawing that Chucke is referring to, is opposite the lyrics in the FTR songbook Wallister, I'll scan the page later and send it to you. roses ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:37:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L. R. Fye" Subject: Re: My mom ... In my haste on Nov 30, I completely forgot to add "NJC" to my subject line. I've done it this time on purpose, so I can say THANK YOU to all of you, for all of your kind and warm words of support. I'll try to write individual letters soon. Back again and getting by, Lori in MD ~ Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:07:52 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For the Roses In a message dated 12/9/01 1:14:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > oooooooooohhhhh... i thought chuck was talking about the album!!!!! i've > been staring at judy collins portrait for HOURS trying to find the cards. i > have no reading comprehension at all! thanks, for the rosie. > Here's the marker drawing Wally....I've sent it to jonimitchellfans as well where you can send attachments Goodnight you moonlight ladies Rockabye sweet baby James Deep greens and blues are the colors I choose Won't you let me go down in my dreams And rockabye sweet baby James [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of For the Roses.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:14:45 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: A little Joni in my day (sjc) Yo, gang, I got out of the house yesterday, went to one sheet music store, went to a movie, and then went to another sheet music store. At the first, I found Elvis Costello & Burt Bacharach's album "Painted from Memory". Then I saw "My Life As A House", which did have that shortened version of "Both Sides Now", and then at the second store I bought "Taming the Tiger", the only Joni thing they had (although they were willing to order *some* of her other catalog). I'm looking forward to struggling with the odd time signatures and difficult chord & key changes of both books (piano, in my case). Easiest trivia question of the year: Which song on TtT would have a tie-in with the Bach/Costello album? If you get this right, you win absolutely nothing. :-) Anyway, I had a good day, with some Joni in it. hugs to all around, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:39:27 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: For the Roses Yes, thank you, Rose! I was referring to the songbook (Folio, I call it) to For The Roses. The artwork is Joni 'marker pen' style and the juxtaposition of the FTR lyrics and the very JT-looking, morning after motel-room guitar and a solitaire game 7 of hearts (with a rose as well ) seems, well, pretty conclusive. The lyrics, too, yah? I was just wondering if Joni ever came out with a patent admission... ...as Sam Clemens said, 'Sometimes circumstantial evidence is very strong, like when you find a trout in the milk.' ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:51:10 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For the Roses "The impetus for the song had come as James Taylor teetered on the brink of impending stardom, as she described: I was watching his career and I was thinking that as his woman at that time I should be able to support him. And yet it seemed to me that I could see the change in his future would remove things from his life. I felt like having come through, having had a small taste of success, and having seen the consequences of what you think it's going to give you-well, I just felt I was in no position to help. I knew what he needed was someone to support him and say it was all wonderful. But everything I saw him going through was ludicrous, because I thought it was ludicrous when I'd done it. It was a very difficult time and the song was actually written for that person: 'In the office sits a poet and he trembles as he sings and he asks some guy to circulate his soul around........" Taken from Karen O'Brien's S&L biography on Joni. Don't know the source though. If you want to read more, you have to buy the book, right Karen? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:01:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: [Fwd: finding light in the darkness] today they lit the second candle on the giant menorah that the city government has erected on the corner of the street where i live. i thought of the hanukah miracle and i prayed for my country to survive the terrible days ahead. wallyK, waiting for the third candle to be lit. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #379 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?