From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #377 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 377 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: December 7 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: December 7 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Joni in Seventeen [colin ] Re: Q's greatest female singers [FredNow@aol.com] Jonifest 2002 Accomodation Update [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Jonifest 2002- Beds [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] re: Blue lyrics ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Q's greatest female singers [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: eminem! berlin? vjc [Michael Yarbrough ] origins of fort macleod [shane ] RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["Donna J. Binkley" ] RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["hell" ] Fwd: No problem for me... :-) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: No problem for me... :-) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: No problem for me... :-) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Blue lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Blue lyrics [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 03:04:10 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 7 On December 7 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Today, the Rolling Thunder Review, including Joni, rolls into the Correctional Institution for Women at Clinton, New Jersey. Click the link for an entertaining look at the concert from a prisoner's point of view. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/760115rsx.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 03:04:10 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 7 On December 7 this article was published: 1974: "...and now it's Our Lady of Optimism" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/741207nme.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 652 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:30:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni in Seventeen > because she has had tonnes of opportunity so you weigh in metirc too in Canada? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 04:39:23 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Q's greatest female singers "Wally Kairuz" wrote: >someday [Karen Carpenter will] be >appreciated for what she was: one of the best singers ever. I've always thought so. Damn good drummer, too. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:25:13 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002 Accomodation Update YIKES!!!!!!! Because of the number of people choosing single rooms, the bed accomodations are going much faster than I anticipated. There are a total of only 29 rooms at Full Moon, and I really expected most people would opt to share rooms. 23 rooms are already spoken for which leaves only 6 rooms left. Please get your deposits in as soon as possible if having a bed to sleep in is important to you. ALL THE SINGLE ROOMS ARE NOW SOLD OUT! The remaining rooms are double occupancy. Two of the rooms that are left have 3 beds in them, so if you would like to have 2 other roommates, please let me know! Pajama party!! YAY!!!!!!! There may be another accomodation possibility that Full Moon is thinking of adding by the summer, but they won't decide that until the beginning of the new year. Of course, I will keep you posted as soon as I know anything. Camping: There is still plenty of camping space available. Does anyone that is coming have an extra tent/sleeping bag you could lend people? I was thinking that there might be people that have opted for a room, but have camping equipment they would be willing to loan out to people that are flying in. Please update your Jonifest forms to indicate whether or not you have equipment to loan out. BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!! I was planning on arriving at Full Moon on Thursday anyway, to make sure I would be there for the earliest arrivals on Friday. The fact is, that date also just happens to be my birthday! :-) So....anyone that is interested on arriving Thursday and having a little extra connecting time and birthday celebration time, please let me know by indicating that on the new addition to the form. There will be another group there that evening, so there will be limited space Thursday night. It would be wise to decide soon. The added charges will be somewhere between $70-$115 for the night, not including meals, depending on the room you have chosen. You can update your form to indicate whether you are interested in this. The Jonifest 2002 can now be accessed through a link on the main JMDL page at: www.jmdl.com PERFORMANCES: Every single person who has chosen to perform has signed up for Saturday night! I understand that the thinking behind this might be that the Northeast Jonifests in the past have been only one main day of "scheduled" performances. However, as of this year, the length of Jonifest has tripled, and all 3 nights will be scheduled performance nights. I am hoping that each of you will go back and rethink your performance requests. If people do this voluntarily, when it comes time to schedule people, it will make the job much easier. Thanks!! Lastly, my apologies once again to the Joni-onlys, but I am trying to make sure everyone gets the information in these early stages of planning. Please, everyone who is even thinking of attending, sign up for the Northeast Jonifest mailing list whihc you can access from the Jonifest page, so we can do the updates over there. Thanks for you indulgence. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:36:56 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002- Beds I have had several e-mails from people saying that they really wanted a single room and that they were not comfortable sharing a room with someone they don't know. I am encouraging you all to be a bit more open minded in that regard if this fest is going to work. At my house, people were packed in like sardines into every available space I had, and what I found was that not only did it work beautifully for everyone, but many deep and lasting friendships were made *because* of it. Full Moon is not a large place, but it really is more than big enough if we can all shift into the spirit of grace and cooperation. For this fest to work, and for us to be able to have everyone that wants to be there be able to come, we need to use all the available beds we can. It's not the Ritz, I've already said that, but you probably won't be spending that much time in the room anyway! Thanks, everyone. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:11:54 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: re: Blue lyrics About the Blue lyrics, I agree with Hell here, I think ``the ink of a pin`` is literally the tattoo ink (as introduced in the first line) and reinforced by the crown and anchor image - the tatoo - Blue's tattoo? The ``empty space to fill in`` works well as a metaphor for drawing, writing (a lyric on the page) and for filling the Void within, in this case, with too much partying - the hippest way to go. The sinking ones are referred to again as ``the millions of the lost and lonely ones calling out to be released `` and to be found (The Same Situation). I agree that the theme here remains, I love you but I can't deal with your addictions - in the broader sense. For me, the beauty of the shell image (retaining the nautical) is that she's saying to Blue, you have all the answers within. PS. I'm astonished at all the number of different references to the word blue in her work; clearly a recurring theme! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:31:11 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Q's greatest female singers I'm amazed and pleased to see Siouxsie Sioux in the top 10 as well. Next to Joni (and light years away stylistically) she's my favorite. What a voice. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: eminem! berlin? vjc It is early yet for such inclusion, but I can see it being justified in a couple decades if he maintains and builds upon his current level of excellence. But we *know* what Jim Morrison's entire body of work looks like, and while it's great, it certainly doesn't rank with this list to my mind. Smokey Robinson? Leonard Cohen? Prince? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > whoa, scary... really scary. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Les > Irvin > Enviado el: Viernes, 07 de Diciembre de 2001 01:28 > a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Now, I like Debbie Harry. I really do > but..... > > > Even funnier than that is this poll from the BBC, > indicating the ten "best" > songwriters ever: > 1) Bob Dylan > 2) John Lennon > 3) Bob Marley > 4) Paul McCartney > 5) Paul Simon > 6) Cole Porter > 7) Jim Morrison > 8) Eminem <--------??????????? > 9) Joni Mitchell > 10) Irving Berlin > > Read it here: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010523bbc.cfm > > Les > NP - J.S. Bach "Prelude #7 in E flat minor BWV 876" ===== ____________________________________________________ "I'm just a little bit heiress, a little bit Irish, A little bit Tower of Pisa whenever I see ya, So please be kind if I'm a mess." - --Rufus Wainwright, "Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk" Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:07:47 -0700 From: shane Subject: origins of fort macleod for those interested in a little more of the story of fort macleod, alberta - joni's birthplace, a little real media snippet: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/alberta/audio/211_MacLeod_Cal_Trail_P1.ram cheers, shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:01:44 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds Hi All! Ashara is so right! I didn't even stay at her house last year and i still formed lasting relationships. For those of you who've never attended a Jonifest, be prepared to meet good, honest people who are there because they believe in music. Being from a big city, it's not often i get thrown into a crowd of people i don't know and feel like i can trust them all. Last Labor Day, that happened. So to all potential Jonifesters - don't be shy! You'll be pleasantly surprised at the caliber of human beings you meet there! Love to All Donna (The Texas Tush) - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:37 AM To: joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jonifest 2002- Beds I have had several e-mails from people saying that they really wanted a single room and that they were not comfortable sharing a room with someone they don't know. I am encouraging you all to be a bit more open minded in that regard if this fest is going to work. At my house, people were packed in like sardines into every available space I had, and what I found was that not only did it work beautifully for everyone, but many deep and lasting friendships were made *because* of it. Full Moon is not a large place, but it really is more than big enough if we can all shift into the spirit of grace and cooperation. For this fest to work, and for us to be able to have everyone that wants to be there be able to come, we need to use all the available beds we can. It's not the Ritz, I've already said that, but you probably won't be spending that much time in the room anyway! Thanks, everyone. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:15:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds all right, people, i get it.... you won't HAVE to share a room with ME!!!!! so take it easy and sign up for pajama party fun. except you, bob murphy. you're coming with me, handsome. wallyK [folks you're safe. we go totally platonic and mellow at jonifest.] [and michael paz showers too!] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:17:54 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds Paz showered this year? db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:16 PM To: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds all right, people, i get it.... you won't HAVE to share a room with ME!!!!! so take it easy and sign up for pajama party fun. except you, bob murphy. you're coming with me, handsome. wallyK [folks you're safe. we go totally platonic and mellow at jonifest.] [and michael paz showers too!] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:03:02 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds You're right, Ashara, as usual. The idea of sharing a room with a stranger, which the folks here cannot even be categorized as, is somewhat daunting but at the same time exciting and interesting. Reminds me of college days. I had one roommate and he was strange, even moreso than I, but I learned much from him despite it all. He was eccentric, worked in the university cafeteria, and would bring boxes of silverware back to the dorm room with him and store it under his bed. Tall and with a lurchlike gait, he thought I was really strange also. We never carried on one conversation that entire year but I can look back now and have some kind of affection for him. He stayed on his side of the room, minded his own business, and never gave me any grief. I did the same. Camp was much the same way but made a lot of friends there. Sounds exciting to me to meet a new friend. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Jonifest 2002- Beds > I have had several e-mails from people saying that they really wanted a > single room and that they were not comfortable sharing a room with someone > they don't know. I am encouraging you all to be a bit more open minded in > that regard if this fest is going to work. At my house, people were packed in > like sardines into every available space I had, and what I found was that not > only did it work beautifully for everyone, but many deep and lasting > friendships were made *because* of it. > > Full Moon is not a large place, but it really is more than big enough if we > can all shift into the spirit of grace and cooperation. For this fest to > work, and for us to be able to have everyone that wants to be there be able > to come, we need to use all the available beds we can. It's not the Ritz, > I've already said that, but you probably won't be spending that much time in > the room anyway! Thanks, everyone. > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:03:31 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds Ashara wrote: > I have had several e-mails from people saying that they really wanted a > single room and that they were not comfortable sharing a room with someone > they don't know. I am encouraging you all to be a bit more open minded in > that regard if this fest is going to work. At my house, people were packed in > like sardines into every available space I had, and what I found was that not > only did it work beautifully for everyone, but many deep and lasting > friendships were made *because* of it. I'll add my two cents here. I travelled half-way around the world for Jonifest 2001, and obviously had never met anyone on the list before. I stayed with several different jmdlers in my travels and never had a bad moment the whole trip (except for the moment I had to leave). There wasn't a single person at Topsfield that I would not have been happy to share a room with - man or woman. We only slept a couple of hours a night anyway - we were all having too much fun to waste time sleeping! Anyone who feels uncomfortable with this, please don't. Trust me, you have NOTHING to worry about! The only thing you're in danger of doing, is making a life-long friend. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:31:05 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: No problem for me... :-) In a message dated 12/7/01 4:00:54 PM, BigWaltinSF writes: << Ashara, So sorry some people are giving you (hopefully) mild grief about having to share space. Sheesh. I know I've got shared space -- doesn't matter whether it's a room or a cottage or what -- and I don't care whether my roommate(s) are male, female, gay/straight/bi/whatever -- as long as they're mammalian. Well, okay, avian is okay, but I hold the line at reptiles. Hang in there, hugs, walt >> Return-path: From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Full-name: BigWaltinSF Message-ID: <104.d872f83.2942b236@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:00:54 EST Subject: No problem for me... :-) To: AsharaJM@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Ashara, So sorry some people are giving you (hopefully) mild grief about having to share space. Sheesh. I know I've got shared space -- doesn't matter whether it's a room or a cottage or what -- and I don't care whether my roommate(s) are male, female, gay/straight/bi/whatever -- as long as they're mammalian. Well, okay, avian is okay, but I hold the line at reptiles. Hang in there, hugs, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:25:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: No problem for me... :-) > Well, okay, avian is okay, but I hold the line at reptiles. > Well, Walt, I guess you wouldn't have stayed in the room I was in at Ashara's in '99! ;) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:35:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: No problem for me... :-) oh mark, the poor thing is dead, didn't you hear? wallyK, grieving - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Viernes, 07 de Diciembre de 2001 11:25 p.m. Para: BigWaltinSF@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: No problem for me... :-) > Well, okay, avian is okay, but I hold the line at reptiles. > Well, Walt, I guess you wouldn't have stayed in the room I was in at Ashara's in '99! ;) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:59:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Blue lyrics > About the Blue lyrics, I agree with Hell here, I think ``the ink of a pin`` is > literally the tattoo ink (as introduced in the first line) and reinforced by > the crown and anchor image - the tatoo - Blue's tattoo? For years I thought she was singing 'ink on a pen' and talking about writing the song's lyrics down. Then it finally dawned on me that she was talking about tatooing and it was 'ink on a pin'. I don't think I ever saw it as a reference to drugs but I can see how that could be. For me 'crown and anchor me' is a metaphor referring to a ship. She says 'I've been to sea before', like a ship has been to sea. Then she gives Blue the choice to 'crown and anchor me', to anchor her like a ship or bind her to him in some way or to 'let me sail away', to set her free. I never felt that the references to drugs were specific to the lover so much as to the whole scene that Joni & that lover found themselves in. She says 'you gotta keep thinking you can make it through these waves' as if she's telling both Blue and herself that a positive course & outlook are essential for survival in the crazy time & place they're living in. She goes on to say that she's willing to at least check the whole scene out even though she knows that it isn't really the right way for her to go. Maybe Blue doesn't feel the same way as she does about it. Maybe he really believes that 'hell's the hippest way to go'. She ends by referring to her creation as a shell containing 'a sigh, a foggy lullaby, both phrases that are aptly descriptive of this gut-wrenching song. To me, 'Blue' is a confession of love bursting from Joni's very soul and a cry pain for a difficult but exhilarating relationship that she knows cannot last much longer. When she sings 'Blu-u-u-u-ue, I lo-ove yo-ou' it is such a cry of anguish and pain, it just cuts right through me every time I hear it. She's already feeling the pain of loss, knowing that the relationship is hopeless. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:09:09 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue lyrics In a message dated 12/7/01 10:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > She's already > feeling the pain of loss, knowing that the relationship is hopeless. > Oh God, you made me cry Mark ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #377 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?