From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #376 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 376 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: December 6 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Who is Betsy...? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Who is Betsy...? [Nuriel Tobias ] Covers #24 - Time is running out! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Q's greatest female singers ["Garret" ] RE: lyric writing ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Joni in Seventeen ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni Super Trivia Question [" Russell Bowden" ] Re: Who is Betsy...? [Bounced Message ] RE: Q's greatest female singers [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni in Seventeen [Mags N Brei ] Re: Now, I like Debbie Harry. I really do but..... [Les Irvin ] Re: lyric writing ["hell" ] Re: Who is Betsy...? [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni Super Trivia Question [Wtking59@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:27:38 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 6 On December 6 in Joni Mitchell History: 1995: Joni receives the Billboard Century Award (their highest honor for creative achievement), broadcast live on Fox-TV from New York's Coliseum. From Wally's Bio Page: "Past winners of the Billboard Century Award include George Harrison, Buddy Guy, and Billy Joel. The award has been presented annually since 1992 to an artist to acknowledge the uncommon excellence of a still-unfolding body of work." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:12:23 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Who is Betsy...? In a message dated 12/6/01 6:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, kingtony@dircon.co.uk writes: > Betsy was and is an old friend of Joni's. She was once married to Peter > Asher > and I saw her only last week when I was in L.A.......Meanwhile Joni has > been > recording her album here in London just up the road from where I live. It > includes "Hejira" and "The Last Time I saw Richard"....Thank goodness. > > Thank you Tony, this is all too wonderful rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 05:31:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Who is Betsy...? Thank you, Tony. And thank you Rose for the very right words, it's realy all too wonderful. Hey, but it's real! Nuriel - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/6/01 6:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >kingtony@dircon.co.uk writes: > > >> Betsy was and is an old friend of Joni's. She was once married to Peter >> Asher >> and I saw her only last week when I was in L.A.......Meanwhile Joni has >> been >> recording her album here in London just up the road from where I live. It >> includes "Hejira" and "The Last Time I saw Richard"....Thank goodness. >> >> > >Thank you Tony, this is all too wonderful > >rose in nj _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:45:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #24 - Time is running out! Just a quick reminder that I'll shut down the contest for Covers #24 tomorrow night, so if you haven't guessed yet and want a shot at a FREE cd mailed to your doorstep, just send me an off-list mail guessing a song title and the record it appears on, example: Car On A Hill - Court & Spark Newbies, oldbies, and even Argentinians are welcome to guess! And if you DON'T win, just blame Wally! ;~) Bob NP: Tracy Chapman, "Subcity" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:59:47 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Q's greatest female singers I'm sorry if this has been posted already, i'm way behind on digests. Here is another one of those somewhat questionable polls from Q magazine. This time they are are looking at the greatest female singers. Joni is in the top ten, not as near the top spot as I'd have put her. I think that i would rearrange the list with joni at #1, Patti Smith at #2, then alanis, madonna, annie lennox, bjork, tori amos, debbie harry, pj harvyer, fiona apple, in that order. However, it is great to see so many greats, like Marianne Faithful, Kim Deal, Nico, Karen Carpenter, Cher and Janet Jackson getting into the poll. No Jewel or Kiki Dee or Barbra Streisand, hhmmmm. 1. PJ Harvey 2. Madonna 3. Kate Bush 4. Tori Amos 5. Bjvrk 6. Debbie Harry 7. Siouxsie Sioux 8. Joni Mitchell 9. Stevie Nicks 10. Janis Joplin 11. Aretha Franklin 12. Shirley Manson 13. Elizabeth Fraser 4. Courtney Love 15. Dusty Springfield 16. Chrissie Hynde 17. Patti Smith 18. Alanis Morissette 19. Sheryl Crow 20. Kylie Minogue 21. Dido 22. Missy Elliott 23. Gwen Stefani 24. Britney Spears 25. Allison Goldfrapp 26. Kim Deal 27. Billie Holiday 28. Dolly Parton 29. Sinead O'Connor 30. Diana Ross 31. Nina Simon 32. Fiona Apple 33. Carole King 34. Kim Gordon 35. Emmylou Harris 36. Kirsty MacColl 37. Frida/Agnetha 38. Suzanne Vega 39. Nico 40. Ella Fitzgerald 41. Marianne Faithfull 42. Aimee Mann 43. Roberta Flack 44. Sharleen Spiteri 45. Cerys Matthews 46. Mariah Carey 47. Yoko Ono 48. Toyah Willcox 49. Donna Summer 50. Sade 51. Justine Frischmann 52. Mary J Blige 53. Beth Gibbons 54. Anne/Nancy Wilson 55. Bonnie Raitt 56. Tina Turner 57. Joan Armatrading58. Cher 59. Beth Orton 60. Roisin Murphy 61. Nelly Furtado 62. Macy Gray 63. Gladys Knight 64. Natalie Merchant 65. Tracy Chapman 66. Shania Twain 67. Lil' Kim 68. Bessie Smith 69. Grace Slick 70. PP Arnold 71. Whitney Houston 72. Janet Jackson 73. Pat Benatar 74. Shelby Lynne 75. Cyndi Lauper 76. Grace Jones 77. Destiny's Child 78. D'Arcy Wretsky 79. Annie Lennox 80. Laurie Anderson 81. Sandy Denny 82. Suzi Quatro 83. Spice Girls 84. Alicia Keys 85. Ronnie Spector 86. Neneh Cherry 87. The Corrs 88. Maureen Tucker 89. kd lang 90. The Slits 91. Girlschool 92. Aaliyah 93. Laura Nyro 94. Etta James 95. Karen Carpenter 96. Alison Moyet 97. Lucinda Williams 98. Salt-N-Pepa 99. The Go-Gos 100. Sister Bliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:25:11 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: lyric writing Anne & Kakki, I too think this is a great idea! I will take a class on lyric writing if it is offered. Another class i'll be interested in will be in tunings - that was mentioned in our form so hopefully someone will host it. I'm curious, who else has ideas for workshops at 2002 Jonifest? Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:28 PM To: anne@sandstrom.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: lyric writing Anne, I think this is a fantastic idea! With a number of the group who are songwriters and have participated in workshops, perhaps a group song or two could also be worked up. (Although now I am having visions of the crack parody composers sharpening up their pencils, too ;-) But it might be really cool to collectively create a few new tunes at the Fest. Kakki > Anyway, so I'm going to be at Northeast JoniFest 2002 and I've indicated in the form that I'd like to conduct a workshop >on lyric writing. This is really preliminary (obviously, nothing will be decided about what workshops will happen, who will >conduct them, etc... for a while.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:32:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Seventeen well hooray! maybe the alleged singer/songwriter trend among teens is not about jewel at all ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:01:01 -0800 From: " Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni Super Trivia Question Gang, ITHBDB,IA. (If this has been discussed before, I apologize.) Does anyone know who, mind you, who were the members of the Lookout Mountain backup singers on 'The Circle Game'? Dan Fogelberg? Cass Elliott? C,S,N or Y? Needing to know so badly, Russ in rainy San Francisco. NPIMH: All I Want - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:41:31 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Who is Betsy...? >Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:18:56 -0000 >From: > > > > In a message dated 12/5/01 4:53:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > > > > > >> I'm not sure, Nuriel...I'm copying JMDL'er Tony King on your question > > >> because Betsy is a friend of his. When you need an answer, go to the > > >> source, right? :~) > > >> > >Betsy was and is an old friend of Joni's. She was once married to Peter Asher >and I saw her only last week when I was in L.A.......Meanwhile Joni has been >recording her album here in London just up the road from where I live. It >includes "Hejira" and "The Last Time I saw Richard"....Thank goodness. > >Tony King ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:58:56 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Q's greatest female singers From: "Wally Kairuz" Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:40:16 -0300 where is karen? not within the top ten? i am listening to a new japanese release with very rare previously unreleased material and i am surprised that karen's brother, that un.speakable slave driver, could have prevailed over karen in that way. you should hear karen doing standards. the quality of her voice is so rich, so fresh yet so somber. someday she'll be appreciated for what she was: one of the best singers ever. karen, why didn't you live, baby, you'd be chubby, all right, and in the year 2001 that would have been such a non-issue. you'd be alive and singing the standards and i would have married you. karen karen karen... wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni in Seventeen my 16 year old really 'gets' Joni ... could it be because she has had tonnes of opportunity to get to know her music well??? ;-) Mags, grateful for thoughts & prayers and kind words np: 17 again Eurythmics - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > well hooray! maybe the alleged singer/songwriter trend among teens is > not > about jewel at all > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:27:52 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Now, I like Debbie Harry. I really do but..... At 12/6/2001 09:04 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\) wrote: >Now, I like Debbie Harry. I really do but..... >Debbie is a better singer than Ella, Aretha, and Dolly? Even funnier than that is this poll from the BBC, indicating the ten "best" songwriters ever: 1) Bob Dylan 2) John Lennon 3) Bob Marley 4) Paul McCartney 5) Paul Simon 6) Cole Porter 7) Jim Morrison 8) Eminem <--------??????????? 9) Joni Mitchell 10) Irving Berlin Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010523bbc.cfm Les NP - J.S. Bach "Prelude #7 in E flat minor BWV 876" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:54:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: eminem! berlin? vjc whoa, scary... really scary. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Les Irvin Enviado el: Viernes, 07 de Diciembre de 2001 01:28 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Now, I like Debbie Harry. I really do but..... Even funnier than that is this poll from the BBC, indicating the ten "best" songwriters ever: 1) Bob Dylan 2) John Lennon 3) Bob Marley 4) Paul McCartney 5) Paul Simon 6) Cole Porter 7) Jim Morrison 8) Eminem <--------??????????? 9) Joni Mitchell 10) Irving Berlin Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010523bbc.cfm Les NP - J.S. Bach "Prelude #7 in E flat minor BWV 876" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:01:50 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: lyric writing Anne wrote: > The idea of the song can be simply stated as - "I love you but I can't deal with your addictions." > That's not a great lyric. So instead, she's chooses a nautical theme and works it throughout the song. > > Blue, songs are like tattoos (effective image, plus sailors would often get a tatoo during shore leave) > You know I've been to sea before (this is line that puts us squarely in the nautical domain) > Crown and anchor me (more nautical...) > Or let me sail away (and more) > Blue, here is a song for you > Ink on a pin (talk about a poetic way of describing injecting drugs - for me it also conjures "ink on a pen" which refers to writing the song, and also the way a sailor might have written to a loved one while at sea in times past) > Underneath the skin (finishes the image and a good rhyme to boot) > An empty space to fill in (the reason for taking the drugs and for writing the song) > Well there's so many sinking now (this ties the nautical to drugs) > You've got to keep thinking > You can make it through these waves (more nautical...) It's funny how Joni's lyrics mean different things to different people - and something I really love, the fact that they are open to so much interpretation. The lines "Ink on a pin, underneath the skin, an empty space to fill in" I always took literally to be a reference to tattooing, I never thought about it as a reference to drugs (but I can see how one could see that). I've never had trouble coming up with words, and have written several things that could pass for song lyrics, but I'm pathetic when it comes to music. Everything comes out sounding like a nursery rhyme! Hell - out of lurkdom briefly, and not for one moment suggesting that I am a "song-writer"! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:43:30 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Who is Betsy...? kingtony@dircon.co.uk writes: > Betsy was and is an old friend of Joni's. She was once married to Peter Asher and I saw her only last week when I was in L.A.... Meanwhile Joni has been recording her album here in London just up the road from where I live. It includes "Hejira" and "The Last Time I saw Richard"....Thank goodness. (end) Thanks Tony. Cool story. Can't wait to hear the finished product (hopefully by late spring or early summer). Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:46:30 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni Super Trivia Question russbowden@earthlink.net wrote: Does anyone know who, mind you, who were the members of the Lookout Mountain backup singers on 'The Circle Game'? Gosh, I used to know this one. Wasn't it CSN with Cass maybe? I know somebody remembers this. It's not too obscure. XXXOOO, Billy np---"Sunshine Superman" by Donovan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #376 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?