From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #364 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 364 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 24 [les@jmdl.com] Re: musical scales [FredNow@aol.com] joni's tunings / fingerings [anne@sandstrom.com] Hi ya'll ["michael o'malley" ] RE: Hi ya'll ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Hi ya'll [Michael Paz ] Sting On A&E [Michael Paz ] "Bookends" [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Whoops... Bookeneds, cont. (I hope) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Mags N Brei ] Re: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:25:46 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 24 On November 24 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs today at the Civic Center Arena in Hartford, Connecticut. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 05:01:39 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales In a message dated 11/23/01 12:19:38 PM, CarltonCT writes: >Loved this post! Thanks. >Maybe you can give us all a fuller explanation of modal >vs. non-modal. Modes are scales, but are not tied to set harmonic progressions, rather tend to imply one chord stasis (as in Indian music, or any music with a steady drone, including bagpipes, etc.) In early Western classical/liturgical music there are frequently used modes (Aeolian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Locrian, Dorian, etc.) which each have a specific configuration of half and whole steps (as do the traditional Western major and minor scales, in fact, the major scale is the same as the Ionian mode). Each mode may imply a certain harmonic center but in general they are used mostly in music that has little or no harmonic motion. >As someone who loves Indian music, I hear Indian qualities >in Joni's music. Joni is a great admirer of John McLaughlin, whose own >guitar playing has Indian influences. John and Joni are also fond of chord >progressions which leave the upper strings as drones -- a sitar like quality. >Or bagpipes. I don't hear too much Indian quality in Joni's stuff, more Scottish/English/Irish when she uses a drone, which, in her earlier music, isn't really that often. Maybe you already know this, but McLaughlin was on the first sessions for MINGUS that weren't used. He definitely went deep into Indian classical music territory with his group Shakti, which I loved. >After learning to play a lot of Joni's songs on the guitar, you get to >see that her compositions sometimes obey certain fingering patterns as >opposed to harmonic ones. It's like some of her chords are happy accidents >that pick up strange little hitch hikers ('scuse the mixed metaphor, but >its appropriate). Standard tuning is the best one for guitarists to find >fullest expression and accuracy, but it is often open and alternate tunings >which force a composer to consider fresh melodies and irregular chord structures. This is exactly correct. Because Joni has no theoretical knowledge, her music is guided strictly by ear, which, to a significant extent, is guided by finger shapes on a fretboard that's been reconfigured by alternate string tunings. Many musicians, particularly folk and blues guitarists, have used various "open" and "one chord" tunings but that usually leads them to stay in one tonal center. What's revolutionary about Joni's use of alternate tunings (although there are a few others, such as David Crosby, Michael Hedges, etc. who have worked this way) is that she plays more or less traditional finger shapes on a reconfigured fretboard, yielding unexpected harmonic results, both in terms of motion and density (meaning, the chords sound more complex and dense than what her finger shape alone may imply because the strings have been transposed). By the way, her piano music is in a real sense just as dictated by finger shapes as her guitar music. These more complex and dense chords are more readily available to the fingers on a piano keyboard -- for instance, a cluster of two notes a half step apart buried inside a more traditional minor seventh chord (a sound which figures significantly in her music) is easy for anyone's fingers to play on a piano as long as their ears guide them there, but much more difficult to maneuver on a traditionally tuned guitar; Joni's alternate tunings afford her easy physical access to these clusters and other harmonic complexities on the guitar as well. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2001 07:26:38 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: joni's tunings / fingerings >> After learning to play a lot of Joni's songs on the guitar, you get to see that her compositions sometimes obey certain fingering patterns as opposed to harmonic ones. It's like some of her chords are happy accidents that pick up strange little hitch hikers Yes! Precisely. It's almost like her fingers do a sort of dance move in one place on the neck, then move to another location and repeat the move. I also think it's interesting that she calls her recent paintings "repetism" when, in fact, her guitar technique could also bear that name. I'd be very curious to know how much she actually hears in her head first, and how much her fingers sort of find or trip over. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:28:05 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Hi ya'll Hello to all, I sent in a profile to the members gallery a few weeks ago, but it hasn't got posted, so I just wanted to introduce myself to the list and say hello. I've been followng The Joni site for years now, so it's time I throw in my voice. I'm 45, my name is Michael, I live in Quebec City, and have been an unconditional Joni fan since hearing Court & Spark in the 70's. It was her musicality and piano playing that first got me hooked. Then I started to listen to the words.... I remember way back, I was helping a friend one day in Montreal, installing some paintings of his in a cafi, and a Joni tune was playing on the sound system; it was A song to Sharon, and I was simply mesmerized. IAs agay man, I so relate to her descriptions of relationships and longing. I love her voice, and have been so proud and surprised by her varied artistic choices and developments. I did drive down to Boston to catch the BSN tour (my one and only contact with her live). What a delight that was!. Her music definetly feels like home to me. She' s my thrill! I also love Ella (La Reina), Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McRae, Etta James, Dead Can Dance, Count Basie and assorted worldmusic. Happy to be with you here! Michael in Quebec City ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:43:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hi ya'll welcome home, michael! you'll love your time here. and yes, ella is GODDESS. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:26:42 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi ya'll Hello Michael Welcome to the list (or from delurking as it were). If you made the trek to Boston for the BSN tour surely you will make a Jonifest sometime in the newar future. It is pleasure to meet so many new people of similar spirits all in the same place. Michael on 11/24/01 2:28 PM, michael o'malley at michaelo@webnet.qc.ca wrote: > Hello to all, > I sent in a profile to the members gallery a few weeks ago, but it hasn't got > posted, so I just wanted to introduce myself to the list and say hello. I've > been followng The Joni site for years now, so it's time I throw in my voice. > I'm 45, my name is Michael, I live in Quebec City, and have been an > unconditional Joni fan since hearing Court & Spark in the 70's. It was her > musicality and piano playing that first got me hooked. Then I started to > listen to the words.... I remember way back, I was helping a friend one day > in Montreal, installing some paintings of his in a cafi, and a Joni tune was > playing on the sound system; it was A song to Sharon, and I was simply > mesmerized. IAs agay man, I so relate to her descriptions of relationships and > longing. I love her voice, and have been so proud and surprised by her varied > artistic choices and developments. I did drive down to Boston to catch the BSN > tour (my one and only contact with her live). What a delight that was!. Her > music definetly feels like home to me. She' s my thrill! I also love Ella (La > Reina), Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McRae, Etta James, Dead Can Dance, Count Basie > and assorted worldmusic. Happy to be with you here! > > Michael in Quebec City ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:44:12 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Sting On A&E Just a reminder that Sting is on A & E tonight a 7pm Central Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:51:33 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Bookends" Hi, all, I'm still a relative new3comer, so i don't know if this kind of idea has been kicked around before, but following up on my comment of a few days ago that I felt that both DJRD and TtT were "closure" albums in some sense, bringing in songs of differing styles to... I don't know, tie up loose ends before moving on to another style. This is more of an impression or a vague idea than a strong conviction. Anyway, i took another look at the songs of Tiger over the last couple of days and thought of looking in her past catalog for "bookend" songs, songs that complement the ones on Tiger in one way or another. For example, when I first heard Man From Mars (it was the version on the Grace of My Heart soundtrack, not sung by the Jonester herself -- btw, did she write this song specifically for the movie, or is it abiout a cat of hers that wandered off, or what? I also seem to remember hearing something about her delaying the release of the soundtrack album from the movie because of some difficulties w/r/t this song. Anybody know the truwe poop about all this?), I thought immediately of Edith and the Kingpin -- particularly the line about hearing the wiring in the walls. Another example is Harlem In Havana, which made me think immediately of Cotton Avenue from DJRD. Love Puts On a New Face -- Well, obviously, In France they Kiss on Main Street, but also to some extent Silky Veils of Ardor. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:03:25 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Whoops... Bookeneds, cont. (I hope) Hi, Um, i was in the middle of writing something about songs from TtT reminding me of songs from earlier albums when, for some reason, it disappeared. I don't know if it got mailed or what. I'm going to assume it was mailed, and just go on from there. If not, I'll reconstruct the first part and send it asap. Both Lead Balloon and TtT the song are about the music biz, so Free Man In Paris comes to mind. No Apologies -- Lots of Possiblities, including Sex Kills, 3 Great Stimulants, Dog Eat Dog, Magdalene Lauderies -- all of her poltical/social songs over the years Crazy Cries of Love -- maybe Underneath the Streetlights? Stay In Touch and Face Lift are both at the sweet end of the spectrum, and remind me of Jericho, I'm a Lucky Girl and maybe Love; although Face Lift starts out with her quarreling with her mom, which reminds me of Let The Wind Carry Me. So is this topic threadworthy? Maybe it's been done before, or maybe someone would like to do the same thing with another album -- find "bookends", that is. fondly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It HAS to be the 25th somewhere right??? I am way too excited to wait and besides, we have been celebrating his birthday for about two days now..and more to come.. join me in wishing the very best birthday ever to... my sweet jewish prince,honey boi, lover, and very best friend in the world... bonne fete a Brian !!!!!!!!!! with so much love always and always, your Mags xoxox np: Everything by Lifehouse ;-) ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: another birthday boy he resides in Northern Kentucky... he likes to give people heart flutters by climbing wooden step ladders set on hard wood floors he is a master photographer he loves Margo Timmins he is a first class friend join us as we honour and celebrate a very special long time list member....... the one and only...... Lamadoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonnes of birthday huggs and kisses to you Jim MagsnBrei xo ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:31:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday to two very special JMDL gents. Both of you have impacted my life over the past few years and I wish you the best of the next many many many years especially this one. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:47:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: happy birthday... .... brian and jim. wallyK ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #364 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?