From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #362 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 362 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 22 [les@jmdl.com] Re: musical scales [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History: November 22 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's painting & technical terms [TerryM2222@aol.com] Postcard from Rose Marie Joy [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #559 [UGAstudent22@aol.com] Re: musical scales [Dflahm@aol.com] happy days ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's painting & Group of Seven ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:01:04 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 22 On November 22 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni performs at the Cal State Fullerton Gymnasium in Fullerton, California. Opening acts were C. K. Strong and guitarist John Fahey. Admission price was $3.50. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/today/691122.cfm 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs today in the Shapiro Gymnasium at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts. 1976: The album "Hejira" is released. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:12:38 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales anne@sandstrom.com wrote: >I was pondering the fact that much of Joni's music is modal (and, so is >what I write, as it turns out.) I also like Pierre Bensusan, and his music >is modal with a capital M! I always though the modal nature of Joni's music >came from her guitar tunings. > >Anyway, I got to thinking about scales, and how Western music uses the >chromatic scale. I recall Joni mentioning in an early interview that she >listened to Japanese kyoto scales. I don't quite hear that in Joni's early >music, although I do hear it in Ellen McIlwaine who grew up in Japan. You >can hear that influence in her music, although one would categorize her >loosely as blues. >Is there a good Web site that compares various scales? Not sure of a web site but you might check out a book by composer/musicologist/lexicographer Nicolas Slonimsky: "Thesaurus of Musical Scales." (By the way, Slonimsky also collected pejorative reviews of famous musical masterpieces in "Lexicon of Musical Invective," an entertaining read as well as a wonderful tonic for anyone who has ever been the subject of critical slagging.) Joni's earlier music (the first 8 studio albums, her major achievement, in my view) is distinctly non-modal, references to "Japanese kyoto (sic) scales" notwithstanding (and that should probably be "koto," the stringed Japanese zither, cousin of the dulcimer, not the city "Kyoto"). In fact, her music is intriguingly and exceedingly chromatic ("Songs to Aging Children"). Truly modal music is, by definition, harmonically static. Some of Joni's tunes are somewhat modal, especially later work ("Sire of Sorrow") but a big part of what thrills me about her earlier music (and the lack of which disappoints in later stuff) is the wildly rich harmonic language of her own invention, which has an intuitive logic apart from traditional harmonic motion, and which boldly, almost capriciously (but never incoherently), moves to unrelated tonal areas ("Banquet"). As her music shifted from song-like structures to later rectitative/linear forms (especially from "Hejira" on) her harmonic range has narrowed and flattened out, becoming, in effect, more modal. I sometimes wonder if this development has left her unsatisfied and is partly the source of her diminishing output, contrasting so starkly, as it does, with the riotously colorful harmonic language of the American Songbook standards on the orchestral "Both Sides Now" and the return to her own earlier songs. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:48:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: November 22 << 1976: The album "Hejira" is released. >> Now THERE'S something to be thankful for! Here's to Lisa Kline, who made me listen to it in '76 when she observed that my record collection was out of gender balance. My life hasn't been the same since. Bob NP: Lill Lindfors, "Gladigen" (Swedish version of Carey) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:13:16 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's painting & technical terms Shane, Yes, I did overstate my opinion on the plains painters. I based it solely by looking at the website Kakki provided, of the Group of Seven. It isn't fair to say that all plains painters' work is like theirs- I have no idea- but still feel that what I saw of their work online was rather simplistic and sweet in style. Terry In a message dated 11/22/2001 2:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, cactussong@home.com writes: << you strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel here. far from being limited, the great provinces of the Canadian prairies have produced more than its share of fine painters of both great training and travel experience. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Postcard from Rose Marie Joy Dear JMDL, Rose Marie Joy [rosemjoy@aol.com] has sent you a photo postcard from photoisland.com, a FREE service committed to help people stay in touch and share photos. To see your photo postcard, choose the method that works best for you. Method 1: Go to the eCard section of http://www.photoisland.com and click on the 'View eCard' link at the top of the page. Enter your personal card number (below) into the code entry field to view your eCard. Your personal card number is: 19903999575 Method 2: Copy & paste the following address onto your browser's address box (clicking directly on the address will work for most users as well). http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/postcardGst?POSTCARDID=19903999575 Note: because your photo postcard may feature music, you may want to turn on your computer speakers before viewing it. (For your convenience, the postcard will be available for the next 30 days) If you need any help, write to us at postmaster@Photoisland.com Regards, Postmaster, photoisland.com http://www.photoisland.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- See you @ Photoisland! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:51:49 EST From: UGAstudent22@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #559 hey guys, I was wondering if there are any Joan Amratrading fans on this list as well. I have been a Joni fan for a few years now, and within the last year have begun listening to Ms. Armatrading.....just wondering what other's thoughts as to her music are. matt, athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:42:23 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales Anne, can you say a little more on what you mean by "compare?" Yes, I was surprised at how closely "Edith..." hews to a single mode. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:44:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: happy days belated happy birthday to joe & fred! happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate! happy st cecelia's day to all who love music! & safe travels to all ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:04:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's painting & Group of Seven Mark wrote: > As I recall, Joni said that she was more interested in figurative > painting and abstraction was the flavor of the day. So her > instructors were somewhat dismissive of the type of painting she > wanted to do. I don't remember what interview or article this is from > but I believe she also said that students with a talent or inclination > toward figurative art were more or less pushed toward commercial art > and not viewed as serious artists. I know she had some pretty blunt remarks to make in the KCSN interview at LACE in '99 and I think I've read a few interviews in print where she has expressed the same. I also think she got turned off just as with the piano lessons. Off to turkey and pie and friends and family and a few days off - happy weekend to all! Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #362 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?