From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #357 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 357 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 17 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: November 17 [les@jmdl.com] Joni's Visual Art. [johnirving ] RE: Rikki, Natalie [Chuck Eisenhardt ] RE: TTT for ME ME ME ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: El mundo es un pa=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=uelo [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni's Visual Art. ["Kakki" ] Re: Today in Joni History: November 16 [Jerry Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:12:20 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 17 On November 17 in Joni Mitchell History: 1966: Chuck and Joni appear at the Second Fret in Philadelphia and are interviewed by Barry Bird. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/661117wmmr.cfm 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs twice today at the War Memorial Coliseum in Rochester, New York - once in the afternoon and again in the evening. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:12:20 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: November 17 On November 17 this article was published: 1966: "Interview at Second Fret, Philadelphia" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/661117wmmr.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 651 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:11:41 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: Joni's Visual Art. Hi Debra, "...it's hard to imagine her doing sculpture considering how flat her paintings are, not the surface itself but the lack of believeable illusionistic depth. Her sense of space is very flat, which is not a criticism, just a description." Interesting to hear some conversation about Joni's painting. During my visits to the exhibit in Saskatoon, I left a note recommending the illustrator, Rob Howard to Joni. I doubt she got the note... or paid much attention to it if she did. A shame. Rob is one of the best painters around with lots of info that would help her painting. Her form painting is flat because she hasn't figured out form painting on her own -which is based entirely, well predominately- on color value. Given her impulsive nature, I can't imagine her ever having the patience to master form painting based on value. It's so by the numbers. She's so attatched to the idea of color hues as expressive content and metaphor. It's hard to believe she'd ever give up that "freedom" and start squinting for values. The rules of impressionism work great for sweeping panoramas and vistas, but they don't work for planes that are an inch or so apart. Compliments don't make form in a face. -The area she's improved with masterfully is the chromatic values of the TI paintings. Her use of titanium white to bring the values higher really kills many of the earlier paintings. It's what helps make them so flat. -Thankfully, her sharp eye is seeing how the master's did it: lighter tube colors of the same hue, and intermixing hues to make value changes. Not white. Not black. On the subject of permanence, she would do well to sell the Turbulent Indigo painting now while it commands big dollar offers. It is a gorgeous piece, truly deserving of the term 'masterpiece.' But all those slathered layers of oil rich paint (and man, there are many!!!! That painting has undulating hills and valleys almost half an inch deep in spots.) are already going through some serious deterioration. One week with Rob and she'd be the genius she already is. Speaking of genius, I just got home from a VNV Nation concert in Chicago and it was awesome beyond awesome. They're the kind of music the kids listen to, so I'm sure they're unfamiliar to most in this neck of the woods. It's a form of music verrrrry contrary to Joni's. I wonder what she would think of them. What struck me is how someone like VNV and Joni can get up on a stage, of no proportions larger than the average human being, and then by the sheer gift and brilliance of their artistry, stand larger than life. That amazes me. I hope someday to learn how to do that. John. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:55:21 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: RE: Rikki, Natalie I recall that in Rikki Lee's first appearance on national TV (Saturday Night Live) supporting the first album, she refused to sing the big hit and did 'Coolsville' instead (probably the least accessible cut on the whole album.) I don't know exactly what this says about her need to differentiate her art from that of certain other long-haired blonde pop singers, but clearly she chose to present herself in this huge first exposure with a sparse, arty, bohemian, attitude rife example rather than the poppy, full-production 'Chuck E's in Love' I love this whole album - 'Company', 'Night Train', Youngbloods' 'Last Chance Texaco'...great stuff. I think 'Company' belongs in the front rank of American songbook classics. As for Ms. Merchant I will break a cardinal rule (If you can't say something nice...') to say I can't stand her! I could never at all fathom why 10,000 Maniacs ever got airplay on MTV or on rock-format stations! It was never even close to the genre. She has what are to me really annoying vocal mannerisms which she seems to hope will stand in for style, a limited range, a playbook of identical- sounding mid-tempo navel-gazers, and some reputation for falling down in personal appearances. She was embarrassingly bad in the Concert for New York. According to the paper she made her recent Boston audience nervous by playing mostly off her just-released album (see above), mostly avoiding the familiar, and then closed the concert by starting and quickly aborting several songs after a few bars, which seemed to even upset the band. She's probably a very nice person, tho! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:52:16 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: TTT for ME ME ME WHen Taming LE Tigre came out I was excited mainly because it was the first new Joni Release to come out since I had become a fan in 1996.. So, I devoured it, but soon found myself a bit empty with it,, especially the half after the Title track.. But it was only 9 months later that I had made a compilation for myself and threw on "Stay in Touch" .. Somehow I really connected with the song (one of the few Joni songs I can really connect to) and started listening to the album again. If anything, it is a really good album in that the songs are all well crafted, possibly the order in which they are arranged (bar the first 3 songs in order) may have to do with it slumping off a bit. Also, there was some link that someone had sent here a while back.. maybe in August and interview with Joni in 98' or 99' and i am sure she said something to the degree, "with that album I discovered that i was playing only to make a record" That is very fuzzy and probably mostly incorrect. But that is my piece of the pie.. Blair NP-"Cocaine Decisions" Frank Zappa > >speaking of tigers....i listened to ttt this past week. i was so >dissappointed when that came out. the best thing for me about that album >was but this week i >really liked it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:25:43 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: El mundo es un pa=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=uelo HUH??? Where I come from "El Mundo es un panuelo" is the world is a hankerchief. Where did this whole thing get started? I don't recall posting anything about the world being a hankerchief in any language. Welcome to the list Fernando. Interesting, Michael (in English saying, "please have this, little bit of instant bliss") on 11/16/01 1:02 AM, fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es at fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es wrote: > Hello, I write from Spain, I4m Spanish, and I must say to Michael > Paz that "el mundo es un paquelo" has no sense in Spanish. The correct one > is "el mundo es un paquelo" (the world is a handkerchief). > > Come in From The Cold > Beatles Forever ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:48:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Rikki, Natalie Chuck I have to agree with you here. I am NOT big on Natalie at all. I got a promo of her new record last week and gave it a spin. The songs on the new record were more accessible for me than her past work, but I still have a hard time getting by that voice. Well I did the only honorable thing to do. I Fed Ex'ed it off to some one who thinks she is the bomb and of course THEY couldn't be happier. I am so happy to have found two new records that I really like this week. The ever popular Ryan Adams and the new Lucinda record. I reckon I'm just a little bit country. In other news Jack and I went to see Lisa Loeb (sp?) at House of Blues last night with a dear friend that came from out of town to hang for the weekend. She was really good. So sweet and i really love her voice. I had forgotten about her, but plan to catch up on her soon. The audience was pretty rude and many were talking during her set which pisses me off to no end. If people wanna chat why don't they go someplace where someone is NOT singing. Have a great weekend eveybody! Paz NP-You're Very Nice But...-Rob Jackson (NICE!) on 11/17/01 5:55 AM, Chuck Eisenhardt at chucke@tiac.net wrote: > As for Ms. Merchant I will break a cardinal rule (If you can't say something > nice...') > to say I can't stand her! I could never at all fathom why 10,000 Maniacs > ever > got airplay on MTV or on rock-format stations! It was never even close to > the > genre. She has what are to me really annoying vocal mannerisms which she > seems to hope will stand in for style, a limited range, a playbook of > identical- > sounding mid-tempo navel-gazers, and some reputation for falling > down in personal appearances. She was embarrassingly bad in the Concert > for New York. According to the paper she made her recent Boston audience > nervous by playing mostly off her just-released album (see above), mostly > avoiding the familiar, and then closed the concert by starting and quickly > aborting several songs after a few bars, which seemed to even upset the > band. > > She's probably a very nice person, tho! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:13:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Visual Art. John, Very good comments - I think you've hit an important on the head. I also think she did get your note and probably did pay attention. When she was discussing painting with Stephen and I last month, she went off into a kind of inarticulate reverie at one point, trying to describe how she has recently been experiencing the actual act of painting. In this instance she was having some difficulty communicating what she meant and was saying "you know?" a lot. It's would be easier for me to relate it in person with hand gestures as she did. ;-) Even though I can't properly or exactly relate it, what I understood her to be saying is that she was "squinting" a lot more and really getting into seeing, and practicing with, the micro aspects of form and color. The flip side of impulsiveness is great patience and it sounded like she maybe was enjoying that groove lately. Kakki > During my visits to the exhibit in Saskatoon, I left a note recommending the > illustrator, Rob Howard to Joni. I doubt she got the note... or paid much attention to it if she did. > A shame. Given her impulsive nature, I can't > imagine her ever having the patience to master form painting based on > value. It's so by the numbers. She's so attatched to the idea of color > hues as expressive content and metaphor. It's hard to believe she'd ever > give up that "freedom" and start squinting for values. The rules of > impressionism work great for sweeping panoramas and vistas, but they > don't work for planes that are an inch or so apart. Compliments don't > make form in a face. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:52:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: November 16 les@jmdl.com wrote: > On November 16 in Joni Mitchell History: > > 1975: A phone call was placed to someone involved in the Rolling Thunder Review, inviting them to drop by the Tuscarora Indian Reservation located near the US side of Niagra Falls. Many of the group, including Joni, Dylan, and Eric Anderson, showed up at the Reservation's Community House. Robert Shelton wrote "Song swapping between this troupe and the Indians reached some intense moments: Tuscaroroa's did traditional songs and dances to drum beating." I saw this show. It was the opening of the Niagara Falls Convention Center. People were walking all around like they were at a festival and chatting up. When Joni came on it was all so distracting. These two behind me were talking away about some term paper. I'm normally very laid back but I asked them to stop talking so I could hear Joni. She was singing Coyote if I remember correctly. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:12:46 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni photos newest photo for my jonigallery: y'all come... http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactusjoniblue.html shane ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #357 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?