From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #356 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 356 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo_?= [fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.e] =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo?= [fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es] RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni in Film [dsk ] It's coming on Christmas ["Paul Castle" ] Re: It's coming on Christmas [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's Christmas [Nuriel Tobias ] Today in Joni History: November 16 [les@jmdl.com] Joni autographed jacket up for bid [Patti Haskins ] Natalie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Natalie [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Please, before I toss my cookies... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC ["Mark or Travis" Subject: RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Much higher than that. Nuri - --- "Wally Kairuz" wrote: "Rickie is up there with the best of them." _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:51:06 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SB Joni Tribute In a message dated 11/15/01 11:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > just found some photos of our Tribute at this great new local music site! > > http://www.singingmonkey.com/html/joni.htm > Oh Kate, this looked to be a great thing! Wish I could have been there? Do you have a recording? ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:16:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What Is An American? linda and the rest, i know your intentions are good and i know that many of the things in the message you forwarded are not necessarily false but the whole thing is rather ethnocentric and possibly insulting to many of us who are not americans. to sustain that ''it is good thus it is american'' is even more of a disservice to US and non-us people alike than is the more usual ''it is american thus it is good''. as i said before, no offense intended and none taken, but frankly... wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:40:22 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Sorry Wally, I didn't mean to hit a raw nerve. You've got me all wrong. I still think Rickie Lee Jones is better (and beyond) 95% of what's out there. Just not quite in the same league as Mitchell & Nyro (to me). Just bought "Girl At Her Volcano" which is interesting. Especially like "Pop Pop" (love her take on "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"), and I used to listen to the early stuff quite a bit--probably more than you realize. I've got lots of Rickie Lee. She just always seems to try a little bit too hard to be different, instead of letting it come naturally. Just my opinion, which is probably wrong. And yes, Carole King wrote "Up On The Roof"--and Kris Kristofferson wrote "Me & Bobby McGee" for that matter. I'm well aware... B. K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Billy wrote: > And BTW Mark, how can you stand listening to k.d. > lang? Argh!! Melissa > Etheridge and Natalie Merchant are two more I can't > hardly stomach. Whoa, now, k.d. has made some damn fine records. Of course, she stopped doing so round about _Drag_, but _Absolute Torch and Twang_ and ohmigod _Ingenue_ marry one of the most magnificent voices in music to some inventive, well-crafted songs. Like you, though, I'd be the first to toast Melissa and especially Natalie's retirement. Natalie has become *the* epitome of pretentious singer-songwriterdom to me. Such a fall from the great days of 10KManiacs. - --Michael NP: Barry White, "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:00 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: FW: Benefit for Dave Van Ronk Sun Nov 25th Hi everyone. I don't normally forward any email to the list, but I thought some of you might be interested in this. lots of love Anne - -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Bartley Sent: 11/15/2001 1:52 PM Subject: Benefit for Dave Van Ronk Sun Nov 25th Hi everyone, A Benefit Concert is being held for Dave Van Ronk at the Bottom Line in New York on Sunday, November 25th. There are two shows, the first at 3:00 pm and the second at 8:30 pm. Tickets are $50 with all proceeds going to Dave. The line-up is Arlo Guthrie, Peter, Paul, & Mary, and Tom Paxton. The Bottom Line is located at 15 W 4th Street at Mercer in New York City and can be reached at (212) 228-6300 or on the web at bottomlinecabaret.com. I'll be joining Tom as usual on guitar and harmony vocals. Special Guests are expected for a song here & there. Dave was diagnosed with malignant cancer and is recovering from surgery. Signs are good. If you are unable to make this show but would like to help Dave through this tough (and expensive) time, please make your check payable to Dave Van Ronk, and mail it to: attn Dave Van Ronk Folklore Productions 1671 Appian Way Santa Monica CA 90401 Dave Van Ronk has influenced several generations of guitarists, singers, and songwriters. His versions of songs from deep in the folk/blues tradition.... "Saint James' Infirmary", "Come Back Baby", Reverend Gary Davis's "Candy Man", "God Bless the Child", "Green Rocky Road", Bessie Smith's "You Been a Good Old Wagon, Daddy, But You Done Broke Down", plus unforgettable treatments of "modern" songs such as Joni Mitchell's "Urge for Going" and the Burke/Van Heusen classic "Swinging on a Star".... have made indelible impressions on all who know his work. Dave's approach to his material is also informed by theatre and a distinct jazz sensibility, so musicians far outside the world of folk & blues have also been influenced by his music. Dave is essentially a jazz singer.... his whiskey voice is capable of wringing every last nuance from a lyric, and his crisp, economical voicings on guitar have taught guitar players of all stripes what's important and what's not. Dave Van Ronk is an American original, broadly educated, with his sense of humor firmly intact. We all have high hopes for his complete recovery. geoff Artist Representative: Jean Schwartz e-mail: mezzobean@aol.com phone: (5 0 8) 6 2 0 - 0 7 3 6 CD descriptions and ordering information may be found at www.waterbug.com For bookings and availability, please contact Jean Schwartz above. For private guitar lessons, please contact me at my e-mail at top. I endorse Elixir Guitar Strings www.elixirstrings.com * if you would like to be removed from this list, please type "delete" in the subject space, and e-mail back to me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:40:42 EST From: Rhymes46@aol.com Subject: RE: What Is An American? The whole point of the post was that it came to me from someone who is NOT an American. The person who sent it to me was born Jewish in Austria, was educated in England, moved to Buenos Aires to escape the Nazi Holocaust, and eventually settled in Montevideo, Uruguay. He is now in his seventies and I consider him my South American Father. He sent it to me as an expression of a non-American's appreciation for our country and an expression of support for what we are going through. I'm sorry if anyone was offended. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The Last Waltz - --- rsc1 wrote: > Hi- > > I'm new to the discussion list, just joined earlier > this evening. > > I saw a question someone had about Joni's appearance > at that concert > (it's nearly the 25th anniversary! Thanksgiving Day, > 1976. Wow, time flies..). > > As you probably already know, besides "Coyote", she > also performed "Furry > Sings > The Blues" (where Neil returned to reprise his eerie > harp solo from the > album), > and a singularly unique version of "Shadows & > Light", with the Band. > > Later, after the intermission, and just before they > brought Dylan out, the > Band > played "Acadian Driftwood" (from "Northern Lights, > Southern Cross"). Robbie > invited "a couple of Canadians out to help us sing > this one"... they being > Joni > and Neil. There are tapes of the entire show > floating around, so you can hear > this if you search a little. The board tapes are a > lot rougher than the > finished > product you're used to. They did some oberdubbing > later on. > It really was an incredible night, and I'm still > amazed that I was there. > > Russ Cole > Arcata, hi russ, my name is christopher. at what point did you (or the other audience members) realize that it was joni singing background on ny's 'helpless' from behind a curtain? was her siloutte visible? i've always been curious about that. btw, i am pleased to meet you. have an awesome day - chris(topher) Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:46:02 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Return-path: From: Wtking59@cs.com Full-name: Wtking59 Message-ID: <16b.407cd99.292680a2@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:45:54 EST Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC To: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar, kakkib@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10503 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sorry Wally, I didn't mean to hit a raw nerve. You've got me all wrong. I still think Rickie Lee Jones is better (and beyond) 95% of what's out there. Just not quite in the same league as Mitchell & Nyro (to me). Just bought "Girl At Her Volcano" which is interesting. Especially like "Pop Pop" (love her take on "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"), and I used to listen to the early stuff quite a bit--probably more than you realize. I've got lots of Rickie Lee. She just always seems to try a little bit too hard to be different, instead of letting it come naturally. Just my opinion, which is probably wrong. And yes, Carole King wrote "Up On The Roof"--and Kris Kristofferson wrote "Me & Bobby McGee" for that matter. I'm well aware... B. K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:08:11 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni in Film SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > I wonder why she's never gotten into sculpture...as much as she enjoys the visual arts and HAS remained inspired with her painting, it seems to me like she would have branched out into some other media. Maybe she could become another Dr. Junk! With Joni there's always a maybe in any direction. Even so, it's hard to imagine her doing sculpture considering how flat her paintings are, not the surface itself but the lack of believeable illusionistic depth. Her sense of space is very flat, which is not a criticism, just a description. Probably the closest she'll get to sculpture are the frames she takes great care in choosing. I'd like to see what would happen if she stopped painting from photographs. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:44:46 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: It's coming on Christmas In addition to Don Conoscenti, I read that Peter Mulvey has just covered 'River' too. >Wonderland - A Winter Solstice Celebration. >This unique holiday CD features fifteen tracks >from Signature Sounds (www.signaturesounds.com) >artists >> including Peter Mulvey's stunning interpretation >of Joni Mitchell's "River" It just keeps rolling along, eh Bob? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:27:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's coming on Christmas << It just keeps rolling along, eh Bob? >> Yes, and I'm glad it does! A "rolling river" you might say...(groan)... Thanks for the tip, Paul! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's Christmas Could it be that Christmas in Joni's songs always seems "too sad"? (River, Face lift...) Though in Face lift there's an amazing view of lights and love as seen from the room and in the room - the song begins with Joni's feeling numb, and the Christmas gifts seem like a part in a mother-daughter fight. There's this old and familiar feeling (in both songs) that it's no good being alone in that time of year. That everyone is with their families and lovers - while Joni is somewhat in the dark. I wonder... Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:45:06 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 16 On November 16 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: A phone call was placed to someone involved in the Rolling Thunder Review, inviting them to drop by the Tuscarora Indian Reservation located near the US side of Niagra Falls. Many of the group, including Joni, Dylan, and Eric Anderson, showed up at the Reservation's Community House. Robert Shelton wrote "Song swapping between this troupe and the Indians reached some intense moments: Tuscaroroa's did traditional songs and dances to drum beating." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:26:47 -0600 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Joni autographed jacket up for bid http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/56949227 "Always an original, singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell customized this jean jacket by covering the entire back with a drawing of a large vase with flowers. Joni's signature is on the back, near the bottom. Women's Medium." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:08:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Natalie >>>Natalie has ecome *the* epitome of pretentious inger-songwriterdom to me.<<< You know I just never got why she was so big. I di love the first song I heard by the Maniacs (about the grey day...lying in bed) but everything she sings sounds the same to me...no emotion in her voice just straight singing...for some reason people always assumed i would like her...i don't know why... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:11:24 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Natalie In a message dated 11/16/01 6:07:17 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: >>>>Natalie has ecome *the* epitome of pretentious inger-songwriterdom to >me.<<< >You know I just never got why she was so big. I di love the first song >I heard by the Maniacs (about the grey day...lying in bed) but everything >she sings sounds the same to me...no emotion in her voice just straight >singing...for some reason people always assumed i would like her...i don't >know why... Amen! I'm so glad to hear there are others who don't like Natalie. My husband likes her, and I can stand her for about 10 minutes every 6 months or so. Then I start climbing the walls. Fortunately, he doesn't play her stuff very often. People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:28:09 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Please, before I toss my cookies... Colin wrote: << I can see all the tossers on Tossa beach right now! Don't go in the water! >> Okay, I give: What is a "tosser" in British slang? "Tossa" makes *me* think of coughing for some reason (probably some romance language connection). Does it mean barf, or what? curious again, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:23:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC > Whoa, now, k.d. has made some damn fine records. Of > course, she stopped doing so round about _Drag_, but > _Absolute Torch and Twang_ and ohmigod _Ingenue_ marry > one of the most magnificent voices in music to some > inventive, well-crafted songs. Well personally I love 'Drag'. I think it has some of her best singing on it. I also like 'Invincible Summer' quite a lot. So she wanted to make a fun record. Is that so wrong? Mark E. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #356 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?