From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 354 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) ["Victor Johnson] Re: Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) [SCJoniGuy@a] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 [Jerry Notaro ] Joni on Hinton [Les Irvin ] What Is An American? [Rhymes46@aol.com] Re: Joni on Hinton [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN - Life As A House [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [Steve Polifka ] Joni in Film [Steve Polifka ] Re: Joni in Film [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Billy's list-some additional comments [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni in Film [Steve Polifka ] Benvenuto a JMDL [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [Steve Polifka ] Re: What Is An American? [Rhymes46@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Benvenuto a JMDL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Benvenuto a JMDL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [Steve Polifka ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Film [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood in "bel air" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Ryan Adams/Alt country [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments ["Kakki" ] Re: Jericho [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Subject: Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) ["Kate ] Joni in Film ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni on Hinton [Relayer211@aol.com] Interesting Old Navy Auction auction:Joni Mitchell, Women's Denim Jacket [phaskins@swbell.ne] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #549 [UnaFaery@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Billy's List - SJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Wtking59@cs.com] RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) > Cogtone Records of Alamosa, Colorado, is pleased to introduce a special > holiday CD-single by Don Conoscenti: "A Don Con Christmas 2001." > > Recorded late last month in Chicago, the disc offers a stunning interpretation > of Joni Mitchell's song "River" along with a moving version of the traditional > anthem to finding peace, with the past and within oneself, "Auld Lang Syne." > In addition, an original instrumental, "Black Hills" wraps up a very special > Christmas tradition for children of all ages. > > Don decided to record the single after he was invited to participate in the > NPR holiday broadcast produced by WKSU-FM, "Ornaments and Icing." He recorded > a chilling version of the John Lennon and Yoko Ono song "Happy Xmas (War is > Over)" exclusively for the special then returned to the studio to create a > little something extra. > > The single is expected to be ready for shipping around Thanksgiving and will > be available in concerts and at http://www.donconoscenti.com > > > Best, > Vera > vera@donconoscenti.com Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson > _______________________________________________ > folkmusic mailing list > folkmusic@grassyhill.org > http://grassyhill.org/folkmusic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:34:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) Thanks for the info, Victor...Steve Dulson sent this notice to me earlier this week, so I've plugged it into the database. Next step, sweet talk Vera into a copy! ;~) Bob NP: The Beatles, "Eight Days A Week" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:25:48 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 Does anyone know what Joni thought of the Hinton book? People seem to be really down on it .... why so much? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:47:00 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 StDoherty@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know what Joni thought of the Hinton book? People seem to be > really down on it .... why so much? Because there were so many factual errors in it. I don't think Joni ever expressed any opinion on the book, at least not publicly...... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:26:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film <> Film-making is a time-consuming process. I don't see as she ever had the time block necessary to pull it off. Besides, if she's opposed to the MUSIC industry BS, what would be her reaction to the HOLLYWOOD system. Also, she's a control freak (I don't mean that in a bad way) and film-making can be a very co-dependent process most of the time, from what I can imagine. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:56:10 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni in Film At 11:26 AM 11/15/01 EST, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Also, she's a control freak (I don't mean that in a bad way) and film-making can be a very co-dependent process most of the time, from what I can imagine. > >Bob Well Bob, So is doing an album, especially if you are in a band and have producers. A few of her projects were not her own, much to her dismay. Dog Eat Dog, for one. Even though she has been self-sufficient, motivated and actualizing, I can't imagine that she got these projects finished overnight. Also, she had to write her own material. So in the 70's she was a songwriting machine, whipping out a project almost every year for 10 years. Now the songwriting had slowed down in the 80's and 90's and we had to wait THREE WHOLE YEARS between projects to be graced with her voice and imagery. I bet a film could have been made in the time frame that she did an album. Just my 2 cents, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:00:11 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni on Hinton At 07:25 AM 11/15/2001, StDoherty@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know what Joni thought of the Hinton book? People seem to be >really down on it .... why so much? When I was fortunate enough to be in her presence a few years, she said to me: Joni: "Have you read that new book about me?" Les: "The one by Brian Hinton? Yeah it's not too good..." Joni: "No! It's horrible! HORRIBLE!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:45 EST From: Rhymes46@aol.com Subject: What Is An American? I received this from a friend in Montevideo, Uruguay, this morning. Thought I would share it with the list. I don't know the author's name. Linda - ---------------- What Is An American? You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper there an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American. So I just thought I would write to let them know what an American is, so they would know when they found one. An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab or Pakistani, or Afghan. An American may also be a Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans. An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them choose. An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God. An American is from the most prosperous land in the history of the world. The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of independence, which recognizes the God-given right of each man and woman to the pursuit of happiness. An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need. When the Soviet army overran Afghanistan 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country. As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan. An American does not have to obey the mad ravings of ignorant, ungodly, cruel, old men! American men will not be fooled into giving up their lives to kill innocent people, so that these foolish old men may hold on to power. American women are free to show their beautiful faces to the world, as each of them choose. An American is free to criticize his government's officials when they are wrong, in his or her own opinion. Then he is free to replace them, by majority vote. Americans welcome people from all lands, all cultures, all religions, because they are not afraid. They are not afraid that their history, their religion, their beliefs, will be over run, or forgotten. That is because they know they are free to hold to their religion, their beliefs, their history, as each of them choose. And just as Americans welcome all, they enjoy the best that everyone has to bring, from all over the world. They have the best science, the best technology, the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, and the best athletes. Americans welcome the best, but they also welcome the least. The national symbol of America welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America. Many of them were working in the twin towers on the morning of September 11, earning a better life for their families. So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and every bloodthirsty tyrant in the history of the world. But in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American. So look around you. You may find more Americans in your land than you thought were there. One day they will rise up and overthrow the old, ignorant, tired tyrants that trouble too many lands. Then those lands too will join the community of free and prosperous nations. And America will welcome them! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:52:14 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Hinton In a message dated 11/15/01 12:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > When I was fortunate enough to be in her presence a few years, she said to > me: > > Joni: "Have you read that new book about me?" > Les: "The one by Brian Hinton? Yeah it's not too good..." > Joni: "No! It's horrible! HORRIBLE!" > > > Well I guess that settles that! lol rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:59:09 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film In a message dated 11/15/01 11:59:08 AM, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: << I bet a film could have been made in the time frame that she did an album. Just my 2 cents >> I agree with Muller on this one, Steve. It's not just a matter of time, it's the whole team effort part of movie making that Joni would not enjoy. Even if she can write, act, direct and score, but she would still need to depend on lots of others for lighting, sound, make-up, wardrobe, set design, etc. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:00:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film <> We're on the same track...what I meant to imply was that she was SO into the music there just wasn't time for a film project. And I would suggest that the 70's were her most prolific period. She's just not as inspired anymore to write songs, but you know the one thing to be sure of with Joni is that there's NOTHING to be sure of! ;~) I wonder why she's never gotten into sculpture...as much as she enjoys the visual arts and HAS remained inspired with her painting, it seems to me like she would have branched out into some other media. Maybe she could become another Dr. Junk! Bob NP: The Beatles, "I Want You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:26:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN - Life As A House Mark wrote: > How is 'Life As A House'? I've been seeing a lot of ads for this > movie. Anybody else seen it? I agree that Kevin Kline is very > talented. He's also very skilled in comedy. It was a REAL tearjerker, contrived, but wonderful! I really enjoyed it a lot, and it was a very pleasant surprise to hear Joni. The score was good, and definitely added to the extra- Kleenex response. Two thumbs up from me! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:26:36 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni in Film At 01:00 PM 11/15/01 EST, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >I wonder why she's never gotten into sculpture...as much as she enjoys the visual arts and HAS remained inspired with her painting, it seems to me like she would have branched out into some other media. Maybe she could become another Dr. Junk! > >Bob Some of her work has been mixed media as I recall (not counting the cat pee on the Rain Barrel painting...) ;-) That is an interesting question. Maybe her health and time constraints again come into play here. Or maybe she has done some sculpting. Although I can't imagine her having someone holding up pieces of metal for her to weld into place...lol. (Well, now that I think about it-lol) You can always go back to a painting if it is unfinished, or you are frustrated with it, but can you go back to a song? (Okay, Two Grey Rooms not withstanding.) I have a whole CD of what I call 'Unfinished Business'. Songs that i never finished- complete orchestrations with no words or melody. But my friend Yolanda took one of the songs and put lyrics and a melody to it and it is quite beautiful. Alot of musicians who have told me the same thing happen. When you are hot on it, or inspired, it seems to come together magically, but when there is a big gap in time, it's like the momentum is lost and your never going to get there. And you have an unfinished piece. And you listen to it and listen to it and it has such potential... So Joni must have a few pof these laying around. I mean, look at some oif the early versions of All I Want and other songs that we have heard. She kept on these and kept them alive. She waw and felt the potential not to let these ideas die and to actually let them become something greater than what they started as- lyrically, that is. Now what this has to do with sculpture is beyond me...sorry for the digression-LOL Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:28:39 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni in Film At 12:59 PM 11/15/01 EST, you wrote: Since this is 'guesses at most...' I wonder how she enjoyed doing LOVE. I was short, but had all the elememts of a full film. I'm sure she's thought about it. She has contacts and friends in every aspect in life- I'm sure some of them are in the film industry- Jack Nicholson, for one, and how about Angelica Houston and Susan Sarandon- (Yes, they are all actors, but who knows who else she knows?) Anything is possible- especially when it comes to Joni Mitchell. So Smurph, I still disagree. However, since she has not done a film and is fed up with the whiney white kids and record executives, it is a safe bet that you are probably on the money... Hugs, Steve >In a message dated 11/15/01 11:59:08 AM, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > ><< I bet a film could have been made in the time frame that she did an album. >Just my 2 cents >> > >I agree with Muller on this one, Steve. It's not just a matter of time, it's >the whole team effort part of movie making that Joni would not enjoy. Even if >she can write, act, direct and score, but she would still need to depend on >lots of others for lighting, sound, make-up, wardrobe, set design, etc. > > --Bob > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:41:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film <> Joni alludes to doing that early on...she introduces "Mr. Blue" as a song that was made up from unfinished fragments, the most notorious was the line from a song she called "The Gambler": "In a day or two, I'll be laying you... (delay) Odds" I don't know how much of that was true and how much was part of her act. She also tells Johnny Cash when she was on his show in the 60's that she had written about a hundred songs. That's the stuff that intrigues me the most! Bob NP: The Beatles, "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" (demo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:42:58 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Billy's list-some additional comments You're right, Bob. Joni picked "Captain For Dark Mornings" (from Nyro's NYT'berry) rather than "Captain St. Lucifer." The former, along with "Tom Cat Goodby" (Laura's spelling) and the title track remain my absolute favorites from that masterpiece of an album. Searing brilliance from start to finish. However, I disagree (as a longtime Nyro-nut) that "NYT" & "Xmas" sound like they could have come from the same record. They sound nothing alike to me. If you love Joni, you should really try to immerse yourself in Laura. It's so hard for me to pick one over the other since I truly believe Nyro accomplished things even Joni never did. And Kakki--I agree that Joni's "For The Roses" is on a par (and perhaps a bit similar) with "NYT." As you stated, both are very deep--and endlessly rewarding. To me, they're maybe even more alike than even "NYT" & "Xmas." As you can tell, I absolutely adore Laura Nyro. If you haven't done so in the past, please spend some study time with "NYT'berry." Let's just hope the officials with the R&R Hall of Fame come to their senses soon and promptly induct Laura Nyro. The true female counterpart to Bob Dylan--in oh so many ways. And, yes. Rickie Lee Jones really seemed to cop much more from Laura than Joni. One reason I've never been too hip on Rickie was that IMO she was always a second-rate Nyro (sorry Wally). She never really had the true poetic originality that Laura possessed, and musically was much more conventional and far less adventurous than Laura. A bit of a poser to me, even though she picked a great one to copy. In a word, overrated. I'd rather hear an original like Laurie Anderson or Patti Smith any day. BTW Bob, the new remastered version of "Under The Big Black Sun" by X includes their subsequent single version of Otis Blackwell's classic "Breathless" (the old Jerry Lee Lewis hit), which is X without the art--with a positively killer guitar solo by Billy Zoom. A glorious, dizzying moment that should have been a massive hit in a perfect world. And sorry Mark. Didn't mean to dismiss Blondie's "Parallel Lines," but I still much prefer the polished beauty of "Eat To The Beat." Yes, "Shayla" and "Union City Blue" are great songs, but so is "Dreaming"--not to mention the rave-up's "Living In The Real World" (companion piece to "Dreaming") and the title track. It was virtually ignored in the states, and overshadowed at the time by their massive, banal single "Call Me." Their next record, "Autoamerican" was pretty dismal. Rather like "The Hissing..." coming after the stunning "Court And Spark." (sorry Hissing fans. don't clobber me too hard on this one.) And I'm glad you like Starship's "St. Charles" as well. Another "Spitfire" song, "Dance With The Dragon" is fabulous too. After this record, they went down the toilet fast. Whew! Finally finished. Thanks for bearing with me here. I love reading everyone's posts every morning...and finally had to jump in after reading "Bel-Air." And hang in there Anne. I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma Cancer in 1998 and underwent chemo and radiation for almost a year. Overwhelming, yes. But you'll get through. They've made remarkable strides with treatments in recent years. Just muster up all the strength, courage and support you can, and have lots of faith. You'll make it, and hopefully come out better than ever! Maybe I'll make it to a Jonifest one day. It really looks (and reads) like a blast. XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:49:53 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni in Film At 01:41 PM 11/15/01 EST, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Joni alludes to doing that early on...she introduces "Mr. Blue" as a song that was made up from unfinished fragments, the most notorious was the line from a song she called "The Gambler": > >"In a day or two, >I'll be laying you... >(delay) >Odds" > >I don't know how much of that was true and how much was part of her act. She also tells Johnny Cash when she was on his show in the 60's that she had written about a hundred songs. That's the stuff that intrigues me the most! > >Bob I forgot all about that! I was thinking more along the lines of the last few years. Those early songs would be quite the find, eh Bob??? LOL! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:56:49 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Benvenuto a JMDL Marco, Non parlo italiano molto bene, ma vorrei dire "benvenuto" a JMDL. La persona chi e "archivista" (?) per noi e Bob Muller . Si tu hai questioni riguardo alla musica di Joni, lui sabbra le riposte. (Ma non so si lui parla italiano!) Anche, non so si ci sono altre "JMDLers" chi parlono -- imagino che ci sono-- ma tu puoi sempre contactarmi quando vuoi. (Mi pare che parli inglese bene -- chissa non hai bisogno di traduttore?) Ciao, Walt Breen (For those jmdlers who speak even less Italian than I do, I just basically said welcome, that Bob Muller is our "archivist" and that there almost *has* to be someone in jmdl-land who speaks better Italian than I do, but maybe he doesn't need a translator anyway.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:58:12 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni in Film At 01:41 PM 11/15/01 EST, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >She also tells Johnny Cash when she was on his show in the 60's that she had written about a hundred songs. That's the stuff that intrigues me the most! > >Bob This brings up one other thing I worry about. In 20 years I can just see you peddling Joni's rarities on Gamma Disc- "See", Bob says on his webfo- mercial. "I have 16 different versions of Little David on this disc- I especially like the one where she stops in the middle and coughs... I swear you can hear Chuck Mitchell in the background ordering a beer..." "And then there are the ultra-ultra rare recordings- demo's even- of some movie themes she wrote some years back. I have them all, I tell you. You can get any and every possible version of any of her songs from me. Live, studio, you name it, I have it. "Oh, listen to this! if you order any disc right now, I will give you the complete boxed set of her covers- that's right, a complete 2,689 song set of others doing Joni Mitchell covers..." (Somebody stop me...) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:07:25 EST From: Rhymes46@aol.com Subject: Re: What Is An American? You're welcome. Yes, you may forward it to others. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:09:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film <> Well, we've got a bunch of them already...I'm certainly grateful for what we DO have! I never would have imagined that they existed until I joined this wacky lot! As for the rest, a fella can dream, can't he? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:12:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Benvenuto a JMDL <> I'm no archivist...I'm just a dude with a CD burner and a good attitude! :~) "Anarchist" might be more accurate! Bob NP: The Beatles, "Child of Nature" (demo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:12:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Benvenuto a JMDL <> I'm no archivist...I'm just a dude with a CD burner and a good attitude! :~) "Anarchist" might be more accurate! Bob NP: The Beatles, "Child of Nature" (demo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:21:06 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film In a message dated 11/15/01 2:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > <> > > Well, we've got a bunch of them already...I'm certainly grateful for what > we DO have! I never would have imagined that they existed until I joined > this wacky lot! > > As for the rest, a fella can dream, can't he? :~) > > Bob > Not to rain on your parade, but that is one of my favorite habits... I wouldn't be surprised if Joni would prefer that we leave well enough alone and let those songs stay buried the way she intended. But then, I suppose someone probably once paid a lot of money for the stick figures Picasso drew when he was 6, too. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:25:47 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Joni in Film At 02:21 PM 11/15/01 EST, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/15/01 2:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, >SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > > ><<>> > >Well, we've got a bunch of them already...I'm certainly grateful for what >we DO have! I never would have imagined that they existed until I joined >this wacky lot! > >As for the rest, a fella can dream, can't he? :~) > >Bob > > >Not to rain on your parade, but that is one of my favorite habits... >I wouldn't be surprised if Joni would prefer that we leave well enough >alone and let those songs stay buried the way she intended. >But then, I suppose someone probably once paid a lot of money for the stick >figures Picasso drew when he was 6, too. > >Paul I If she didn't know before, she knows now that we have some of her old, old, early songs. She's shuddering right now... LOL! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:29:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments <> I'll buy that, I'll play them both tomorrow when I'm off and cleaning the house and report back. Like I said, I'm new to these records, so I'm not as immersed in them as you. <> Such as...?(not challenging, Billy, just trying to prompt some discussion...) << In a word, overrated. I'd rather hear an original like Laurie Anderson or Patti Smith any day.>> I think RLJ is 'influenced' by Laura, but she's also a great writer & performer in her own right. Sorta like saying that Springsteen is a Dylan rip-off. There's enough room for all of these magnificent talents. Maybe RLJ doesn't get the points for *innovation* that Laura gets, but she's far from a poser. <> Wasn't that released on "Much More Fun In The New World" anyway? Seems like everytime I break down and upgrade to CD, a month later they come out with a re-released version with extra tracks! :~( <> Too late...we're lining up already to start slapping you silly! LOL! Both C&S & HOSL are pure musical genius as far as I'm concerned, that goes for her entire 70's output. They have their differences, surely, but that's what artistic growth is all about. Bob NP: The Beatles, "A Case of the Blues" (demo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:48:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Film <> No rain on my parade, Paul...you're spot on! I'm sure Joni would be mortified to see that people are seeking out & listening to this stuff...BUT in the same way I like looking at Andrew Wyeth's sketches & studies (our local art museum has lots of Wyeth stuff), I enjoy listening to Joni's earliest writing, much of which stands with her best! Look at Urge For Going, that song was one of her first and is as uncomplicatedly lovely as anything she's written since. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Love You To" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:51:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood in "bel air" Paz wrote "Bob Don't ever stop writing. I am still laughing hysterically and Julian wants to know if dad has lost it. BTW I have an underwater microphone that can be used for the production." Paz, omg, now YOU have me laughing & choking on my cereal! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:38:05 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Ryan Adams/Alt country Since Kate asked about this subject, I'm including the text of an email I received on another music list I belong to. This recommendation sounds like a pretty good cross section of "alt country" type artists. I was thinking of checking it out myself as a kind of intro - I keep hearing this term alt.country, and even though I am a native Texan, I'm not sure what it really means. Sybil (who still thinks Jerry Jeff Walker is alternative) "KGRS is a wonderful radio station in Austin, TX, that plays a wide variety of music in the alt.country/roots rock/folk/etc. genres. Each year, it releases a limited number of CDs featuring live in-studio performances. Proceeds go to charity. I have a few of the CDs from past years and can tell you they are phenomenal. This year's track list looks equally promising. The 2-CD set has 37 songs on it--and is a real deal at $20. See ordering instructions at http://buymusichere.com/cgi-bin/waterloo.storefront and click on KGSR Broadcasts Vol. 9. Orders ship the week of November 23. Here's the track list: Track List 1 Reasons Why - Nickel Creek 2 South Nashville Blues - Steve Earle 3 Tear Stained Eye - Kasey Chambers 4 The Consequences Of Falling - k.d. lang 5 Youngblood - Rickie Lee Jones 6 Good Morning Miss Brown - Taj Mahal 7 Leavin' - Shelby Lynne 8 Come On Back - Keb' Mo' 9 Raglan Road - The Chieftains with Joan Osborne 10 In The Garden - Double Trouble with Lisa Tingle 11 I Know Love Is All I Need - Rodney Crowell 12 Drop Down Mama - North Mississippi All Stars 13 Never Is A Moment - Jimmy LaFave 14 Big Blue Sea - Bob Schneider 15 One Good Year - Slaid Cleaves 16 Wave - Alejandro Escovedo 17 King Of The Hill - Bruce Hornsby 1 Homeless Child - The Holmes Brothers 2 1962 - Michael Fracasso with Patty Griffin 3 Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way - Damon Bramblett 4 Life On A Chain - Pete Yorn 5 Blue - Lucinda Williams 6 That's Love - The Resentments 7 To Be Young (is to be sad, is to be high) - Ryan Adams 8 Not A Drop Of Rain - Robert Earl Keen 9 I Am The Light Of This World - Jorma Kaukonen 10 Buzz Fledderjohn - John Hammond 11 I Saw Nick Drake - Robyn Hitchcock 12 Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way - Willie Nelson 13 I'm So Open - Cowboy Junkies 14 Please Forgive Me - David Gray 15 Linger - Jonatha Brooke 16 It's A Hard Life Wherever You Go - Nanci Griffith 17 Hard Times In Babylon - Eliza Gilkyson 18 Three Days Straight - Ray Wylie Hubbard 19 Willin' - Paul Barrere & Fred Tackett of Little Feat 20 My Old Friend - John Hiatt with Sonny Landreth CD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:55:38 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Ryan Adams/Alt country These are the best! A friend of mine in Austin sent me a copy of last year's and he said they sell out almost immediately. As Sybil noted, these are all in-studio performances and sound great. A lot of artists you normally wouldn't be exposed to are on compilations like these. Definitely worth checking out if you're into the harder edge side of country and folk music. As for alt-country, I've gotten into this genre a lot lately. Worth checking out are the Jayhawks, Son Volt/Uncle Tupelo/Jay Farrar, and a multitude of others. I jsut picked up an issue of the magazine "No Depression" and likewise is worth at least a strum through in your local Borders. Talks a lot about country and bluegrass music from this century. Mark NP-Grateful Dead, They Love Each Other > From: "Sybil Skelton" > Reply-To: "Sybil Skelton" > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:38:05 -0600 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Ryan Adams/Alt country > > Since Kate asked about this subject, I'm including the text of an email I > received on another music list I belong to. This recommendation sounds like > a pretty good cross section of "alt country" type artists. I was thinking of > checking it out myself as a kind of intro - I keep hearing this term > alt.country, and even though I am a native Texan, I'm not sure what it > really means. > > Sybil (who still thinks Jerry Jeff Walker is alternative) > > > "KGRS is a wonderful radio station in Austin, TX, that plays a wide > variety of music in the alt.country/roots rock/folk/etc. genres. Each > year, it releases a limited number of CDs featuring live in-studio > performances. Proceeds go to charity. I have a few of the CDs from > past years and can tell you they are phenomenal. This year's track > list looks equally promising. The 2-CD set has 37 songs on it--and is > a real deal at $20. See ordering instructions at > http://buymusichere.com/cgi-bin/waterloo.storefront > and click on KGSR Broadcasts Vol. 9. Orders ship the week of November > 23. > > Here's the track list: > Track List > 1 Reasons Why - Nickel Creek > 2 South Nashville Blues - Steve Earle > 3 Tear Stained Eye - Kasey Chambers > 4 The Consequences Of Falling - k.d. lang > 5 Youngblood - Rickie Lee Jones > 6 Good Morning Miss Brown - Taj Mahal > 7 Leavin' - Shelby Lynne > 8 Come On Back - Keb' Mo' > 9 Raglan Road - The Chieftains with Joan Osborne > 10 In The Garden - Double Trouble with Lisa Tingle > 11 I Know Love Is All I Need - Rodney Crowell > 12 Drop Down Mama - North Mississippi All Stars > 13 Never Is A Moment - Jimmy LaFave > 14 Big Blue Sea - Bob Schneider > 15 One Good Year - Slaid Cleaves > 16 Wave - Alejandro Escovedo > 17 King Of The Hill - Bruce Hornsby > 1 Homeless Child - The Holmes Brothers > 2 1962 - Michael Fracasso with Patty Griffin > 3 Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way - Damon Bramblett > 4 Life On A Chain - Pete Yorn > 5 Blue - Lucinda Williams > 6 That's Love - The Resentments > 7 To Be Young (is to be sad, is to be high) - Ryan Adams > 8 Not A Drop Of Rain - Robert Earl Keen > 9 I Am The Light Of This World - Jorma Kaukonen > 10 Buzz Fledderjohn - John Hammond > 11 I Saw Nick Drake - Robyn Hitchcock > 12 Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way - Willie Nelson > 13 I'm So Open - Cowboy Junkies > 14 Please Forgive Me - David Gray > 15 Linger - Jonatha Brooke > 16 It's A Hard Life Wherever You Go - Nanci Griffith > 17 Hard Times In Babylon - Eliza Gilkyson > 18 Three Days Straight - Ray Wylie Hubbard > 19 Willin' - Paul Barrere & Fred Tackett of Little Feat > 20 My Old Friend - John Hiatt with Sonny Landreth > CD > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:20:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments Billy wrote: >You're right, Bob. Joni picked "Captain For >Dark Mornings" (from Nyro's NYT'berry) >rather than "Captain St. Lucifer." Oops! Thanks for the clarification - I love both those "Captains." > The former, along with "Tom Cat >Goodby" (Laura's spelling) and the title > track remain my absolute favorites from that >masterpiece of an album. Wow, in all my years I have never met any other Laura fan who also had Tom Cat as their favorite! It is spectacular. >Searing brilliance from start to finish. > However, I disagree (as a longtime Nyro->ut) that "NYT" & "Xmas" sound like > they could have come from the same record. >they sound nothing alike to me. I've always equated "Xmas" in some ways to Joni's "Hejira" - both are so seamless and represent albums entirely filled with flawless lyrics. >Kakki--I agree that Joni's "For The Roses" is >on a par (and perhaps a bit similar) with >"NYT." As you stated, both are very deep-->and endlessly rewarding. After listening to it again last night I also started thinking that NYT was similar to Joni's DJRD album in the sense that both have moments of soaring off the edge into wild and sometimes cryptic, realms. I think Laura and Joni are absolutely equal in their genius but neither can be compared in style to the other and that is wonderful. Kakki NPIMH: "I lost my eyes in east wind skies, here where I cried, where I've tried, where God and the tendaberry rise, where quakers and revolutionaries join for life, for precious years, join for life, through silver tears, New York tendaberry" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:08:02 -0500 From: eschanta Subject: Request for live Joni Hi-- Recently I was a branch for a Patty Griffin tree. One of my leafs sent me 2 live Joni shows in trade- and I have fallen in love with them-- and of course want more..... what I got was London 1970 and Unknown from 1998 which is great great great with a killer cover of Marvin Gaye's Trouble.. (sadly it has a couple of pops here and there) Anyway- I'm wondering if anyone would be interested in a B&P or trade or something.. thanks, Joann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:32:21 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Jericho In a message dated 11/12/01 6:58:09 PM, ChuckE wrote: << I also tried out Jericho the other day. This song is entirely built around those piano chords where Joni plays very simple major or minor triads in the right hand but then counters it, often with a second, in the left, creating a totally new chord with very complex tonalities, and without getting her fingers twisted in a knot (analogous to the guitar tunings).>> ChuckE-- Jericho is my favorite joni song of all time. Long ago, when I was still playing the piano, i worked out an arrangement (different from the one in the book for DJRD, closer to the one heard on MoA); but I've had little or no access to a piano for years, and the neuropathy makes it hard to type, much less play. Someday I'll have to put it together and get some sheet music and go at it again. Oh, I also worked out an interesting, slow arrangement for The Last Time I Saw Richard. Ah, the good old days. warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:45:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Fw: A Don Con Christmas 2001(covers Joni Mitchell River) I saw him do a few songs (totally unplugged) at last years Vancouver Folk Alliance in a teensy little hotel room...had heard great things about him..& the buzz was right...he is VERY talented!!!!! > Cogtone Records of Alamosa, Colorado, is pleased to introduce a special > holiday CD-single by Don Conoscenti: "A Don Con Christmas 2001." > ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:55:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Film I have been on the periphery of making movies & tv...& it is MADDENING!!! One teeny little scene can take a whole day! Give me the recording studio any day! >>>I agree with Muller on this one, Steve. It's not just a matter of time, it's the whole team effort part of movie making that Joni would not enjoy. Even if she can write, act, direct and score, but she would still need to depend on lots of others for lighting, sound, make-up, wardrobe, set design, etc. --Bob<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:48:16 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Hinton In a message dated 11/15/01 12:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << When I was fortunate enough to be in her presence a few years, she said to me: Joni: "Have you read that new book about me?" Les: "The one by Brian Hinton? Yeah it's not too good..." Joni: "No! It's horrible! HORRIBLE!" >> I bet at least ONE reason is that it's extremely careless in it's facts.(even though books are) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:29:59 PST From: phaskins@swbell.net Subject: Interesting Old Navy Auction auction:Joni Mitchell, Women's Denim Jacket You're invited by Patti in Dallas to check out: Joni Mitchell, Women's Denim Jacket at Yahoo! Auctions: http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/56949227 Patti in Dallas writes: Joni Mitchell jacket auction. [TABLE NOT SHOWN] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] You can view the auction at: http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/56949227 Yahoo! Auctions http://list.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com [demime 0.97c removed a section which didn't have a content-type header] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:57:19 EST From: UnaFaery@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #549 Hello all... I am new to the newsletter, but certainly not to Joni. I am also a very big fan of the music of Jeff Buckley who was heavily influenced by Joni Mitchell. I was curious as to whether anyone here knew whether Joni knows of Jeff. I heard some time ago that she wrote a poem entitled Lament For Jeff Buckley, however facts have surfaced as of late that point to it possibly being written by someone else. Anyone know? Thanks!! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:14:08 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 : > > > Does anyone know what Joni thought of the Hinton book? People seem to be > > really down on it .... why so much? > > Because there were so many factual errors in it. > I don't think Joni ever expressed any opinion on the book, at least not > publicly...... > > Jerry Since she wouldn't read Karen O'Brien's book, I doubt she ever read Hinton's. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:29:55 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #353 In a message dated 11/15/01 9:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > Since she wouldn't read Karen O'Brien's book, I doubt she ever read > Hinton's. > I think she'll read Karen's book. If someone wrote a book about you, wouldn't you be interested? i don't believe her in this instance for a second ;~) rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:34:14 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments > Kakki > > NPIMH: "I lost my eyes in east wind skies, here where I cried, where I've > tried, where God and the tendaberry rise, where quakers and revolutionaries > join for life, for precious years, join for life, through silver tears, New > York tendaberry" I forgot to put the 'np' at the end of my last post. I was listening to 'New York Tendaberry' when I wrote it. Still have to give the nod to 'Xmas' but I will listen to NYT a few more times to see if it gets more under my skin. Mark E. np: 'Black Coffee' from 'k.d. lang live by request' - what a voice, what a singer! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:42:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments Mark, I'm going to play "Xmas" later tonight (it's not that easy to just throw it on - have to dig it out from my album chest ;-) but I just read through all the lyrics from the songbook and have to say from an objective standpoint that it probably is her finest work (I also thought that the first time I heard it when it was just released). My deal with NYT is just that I have a greater emotional attachment to it like FTR. I fell madly in love with NYT first and guess I have that loyalty to my first love. Reading the "Xmas" lyrics again they seem especially profound in the context of the times we are living in right now. Kakki > I forgot to put the 'np' at the end of my last post. I was listening > to 'New York Tendaberry' when I wrote it. Still have to give the nod > to 'Xmas' but I will listen to NYT a few more times to see if it gets > more under my skin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:57:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: SB Joni Tribute just found some photos of our Tribute at this great new local music site! http://www.singingmonkey.com/html/joni.htm ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Billy's List - SJC Bob wrote: RLJ is such an obvious disciple of Laura there's no discussion. Bob, I can't believe you brought this up at this exact time! I have been enjoying a Ricki Lee week, as far as what's hot on my "turnstile." And the other night as I was working in the kitchen I was listening to "My Baby Boy" (Flying Cowboys) and it struck me like a lightning bolt! I was even more shocked I had never realized it before. It seems so obvious now, you'd have to be deaf not to hear it! Although, I am sure Joni had a big influence, as well! I do hear something in her lyrical artistry that has Joni's imprint. Just take a look at "Electricity" and "Last Chance Texaco." Well that's my "input" on Bob's "output." Peace Susan Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:38:37 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC This may seem odd to some, but Laura Nyro's "Xmas & Beads..." reminds me of Janis Joplin's "Pearl" (who was still going strong when "Xmas" was recorded in the Spring of 1970) more than anything else. Both albums represent the artists most polished projects. And I think Joplin's "Me And Bobby McGee" or even "Mercedes Benz" sounds great next to Nyro's "Been On A Train" or perhaps "Up On The Roof." And BTW Mark, how can you stand listening to k.d. lang? Argh!! Melissa Etheridge and Natalie Merchant are two more I can't hardly stomach. But then again, you might hate my Yoko Ono records as well. LOL. Billy NP--"Grand Prix" by Penelope Houston. If you're unfamiliar, a great Joni disciple. On Reprise... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:07:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC up on the roof was written by carole king. in any case, i must be the biggest laura nyro queen on earth and i don't have to show my credentials here, i hope. BUT rickie is up there with the best of them. you hear laura in maybe three songs by rickie. the rest is pure rickie. i always thought that tom waits was a bigger influence than laura, especially the piano. [incidentally, people usually accuse rickie of being a poseur. posing as what? as rickie?] hey, laura and joni, sure, who could say they're not great. but rickie is her own woman. there's a lot more to rickie than then hipster stuff, the smoky bar songs. her voice used to have a few nyro high notes and a little bit of laura's wailin'. but every single note is her own today. an original. up up up up there. listen to ''ghost train'', listen to ''flying cowboys'' [the song], listen to the way she sings ''when i was young i was a wild one'' in ''flying cowboys'' and in ''the horses''. the same line, two different worlds. and the standards! she KNOWS. i'm sorry if i sound fanatical and inarticulate, but i'm listening to ghostyhead as i write and i'm thinking, man it's so obvious, why bother. i love laura. i love joni. i love rickie. they taught everything i know. and believe me, i KNOW too. wallyK, inflated ego and all ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #354 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?