From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 337 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: October 29 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 29 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Three years ago today... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] For Love or Money, All I Want [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni as a Jeopardy question! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: For Love or Money, All I Want [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Eating Joni ["Jamie Zubairi" ] RE: Eating Joni ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Eating Joni [colin ] Re: Eating Joni ["Dolphie Bush" ] joni ["gene mock" ] Covers [Les Irvin ] Re: Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] user-directed internet radio (sjc) [Michael Yarbrough ] ISO DAT copy of Joni 1/26/95 [Mark Domyancich ] Re: "Message to love-the isle of Wight festival" [Relayer211@aol.com] scary Joni Jeopardy for fanatics [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: John Kelly [Richard Goldman ] Re: Eating Joni [Catherine McKay ] John Kelly performance [Hejira924@aol.com] Valerio! [Vince Lavieri ] Christmas CDs (SJC) [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:17:47 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 29 On October 29 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" are released. 1998: Joni performs in Toronto. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981029.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainToronto1098.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:17:47 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 29 On October 29 these articles were published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Success Story" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Concert Preview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691029ssp.cfm 1994: "Joni Mitchell" - London Independent (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941029li.cfm 1998: "Dinosaurs, perhaps, but far from extinct" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029tgam.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Chicago Sun Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029cst.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 647 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:25:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Three years ago today... <> A couple: 1. When we were in the lobby of the Atlanta Ritz Carlton after her 1998 concert, waiting, hoping that she would appear. And then, all of a sudden, there she was! A moment frozen in time. I wanted to clap, to sigh, to cheer, but I could do nothing. Seemed like time stood still. 2. When she was signing the bag full of stuff that Marsha had brought for her to sign (she was SUCH a trooper about it), she held the Hejira LP and just looked at it with this admiring glance for awhile before she signed it. Very neat moment. 3. We all lined up for our "Kodak moment" with her, and I extended my arm out on the arm of her chair. She immediately reached over and took a hold of my hand and put a major squeeze on it. And then Pearl took the picture, and Joni requested that we take another one because her eyes were shut. I couldn't believe it! And that second picture, most of y'all have seen it, is a classic. Don't mean to rub it in, Hell...blame Suze, she asked! :~) Besides, you'll have your day, and what a glorious day that will be for all of us to share in your joy! Bob NP: Dinosaur Jr., "I Misunderstood" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:38:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: For Love or Money, All I Want <> I think it's just forgotten about, Jamie, because she never recorded a studio version of it. Jericho would have suffered the same fate had she not brought it out for DJRD, it just seems so more fleshed out in its studio version. I think For Love or Money is a great song! My favorite lyrical passage: The wars of pride and property The rebel Irish and the promised land Jew Fighting behind his eyes and over seas Wounded in action and no ceasefire in view The song seems to be a bit of twist on her usual "failed relationship" song in that it's from the guy's POV and he can't get over the girl. I wounder if she was projecting any of her old lovers onto the lead character? She does reference that the guy is a songwriter, or at least a poet: He's got stacks and stacks of words that rhyme Describing what it is to lose He's got some just for laughs He's got some for love That mainline to his blues Could the "mainline" be a play on words referencing "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", that is, a heroin addiction? <> Yes, Jamie, but it's from her 1970 BBC "Pink Dress" concert. As yet is hasn't been included as part of the video trees. There are quite a few lyrical differences between this version and what would finally show on "Blue". If anyone is interested, I can transcribe them tonight. Bob NP: Beausoleil, "Valerie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Eating Joni An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. STAS - (A child would be very happy with this sort of food, me too): Sweets, candy (sweet-red and sour-green), peaches, muffin buns, berries. Drinks - Wine and well water. Clouds - (What a lovely breakfast): Toast, honey, oranges, ice cream. Drinks - Milk, Wine. LOTC - (A great diet we all know): Apples, cheeses. Drinks - Tea, lemonade, soda, whiskey, wine. Blue - (Grownups food, fatloaded): Stews, omelettes. Drinks - Champagne, coffee, wine, FTR - (This meal's very strange, don't you think?): Gravy, gristle, bone, lobster, salty soup, cookie, eggs, fresh slamon, apple. Drinks - Sorry, falks, no booze. Only water. CAS - (This is, more or less, what i eat these days): Bread, chocolate bars. Drinks - Whisky, vodaka, coke, wine. THOSL - Hope no one's hungry, we've got only beer and wine on this one. Hejira - (Continental food for beginers): Eggs, cold cuts, apple. Drinks - Beer, coffee, water, DJRD - (A stoney kind of lunch if you ask me): Egg, coconut, both spiced with paprika. Drinks - tequila, beer, water, J&B, coke, rum. Now we get only water and NOTHING to eat for many years and albums untill - NRH - cold cuts. And the TI restaurant's closed too, but then - TTT - Frozen fish, ice cream, and a nice a piece of pie. Drinks - Tequila. This list is something i realy wanted to know (and make) for a long time. May seem idiotic to some - but it think it reveals so much and if you're interested then i'll tell you why soon. As for now, anyone who has a cool recipe made out of stuff that appears on the list, PLEASE, send it to me and make my day. Still hungry, folks? Lots of life and love, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:50:38 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni as a Jeopardy question! In a message dated 10/29/01 1:37:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, RobSher50@aol.com writes: > One thousand kudos to the person who can remember the Jeopardy question > asked > this past Friday by Alex Trebeck (sp?) I was so excited about hearing her > actually in a Jeopardy question, I have completely forgotten what the > question was! Agony! At least one of them knew who she was! Geez, Rob, calm yourself. If you're a regular watcher of Jeopardy as I am you'd know this is not a rare occurrence. Joni pops up on the show as the question to a Jeopardy answer fairly regularly. More than once a month, at least. Alas, though, usually none of the contestants gets the question correct. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:23:07 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For Love or Money, All I Want In a message dated 10/29/01 8:40:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > He's got stacks and stacks of words that rhyme > Describing what it is to lose > He's got some just for laughs > He's got some for love > That mainline to his blues > > Could the "mainline" be a play on words referencing "Cold Blue Steel & > Sweet Fire", that is, a heroin addiction? Could very well be. Does anyone know what nationality James Taylor is? > > < > > > > Yes, Jamie, but it's from her 1970 BBC "Pink Dress" concert. As yet is > hasn't been included as part of the video trees. There are quite a few > lyrical differences between this version and what would finally show on > "Blue". If anyone is interested, I can transcribe them tonight. I have this as an added bonus on a Shadows & Light video I purchased in an auction. Maybe we should include this in a future video tree? If my recollection is correct, Joni mentions this was a new song, a work in progress.... ~Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:37:34 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Eating Joni Just thinking you missed one out in TTT but not sure where else alligators are a delicacy! :-) Peace, Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuriel Tobias To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Eating Joni > An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. > > > STAS - (A child would be very happy with this sort of food, me too): > Sweets, candy (sweet-red and sour-green), peaches, muffin buns, berries. > Drinks - Wine and well water. > > Clouds - (What a lovely breakfast): > Toast, honey, oranges, ice cream. > Drinks - Milk, Wine. > > LOTC - (A great diet we all know): > Apples, cheeses. > Drinks - Tea, lemonade, soda, whiskey, wine. > > Blue - (Grownups food, fatloaded): > Stews, omelettes. > Drinks - Champagne, coffee, wine, > > FTR - (This meal's very strange, don't you think?): > Gravy, gristle, bone, lobster, salty soup, cookie, eggs, fresh slamon, apple. > Drinks - Sorry, falks, no booze. Only water. > > CAS - (This is, more or less, what i eat these days): > Bread, chocolate bars. > Drinks - Whisky, vodaka, coke, wine. > > THOSL - Hope no one's hungry, we've got only beer and wine on this one. > > Hejira - (Continental food for beginers): > Eggs, cold cuts, apple. > Drinks - Beer, coffee, water, > > DJRD - (A stoney kind of lunch if you ask me): > Egg, coconut, both spiced with paprika. > Drinks - tequila, beer, water, J&B, coke, rum. > > Now we get only water and NOTHING to eat for many years and albums untill - > > NRH - cold cuts. > > And the TI restaurant's closed too, but then - > > TTT - Frozen fish, ice cream, and a nice a piece of pie. > Drinks - Tequila. > > This list is something i realy wanted to know (and make) for a long time. May seem idiotic to some - but it think it reveals so much and if you're interested then i'll tell you why soon. As for now, anyone who has a cool recipe made out of stuff that appears on the list, PLEASE, send it to me and make my day. > > Still hungry, folks? > > > Lots of life and love, > > Nuri > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:59:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Eating Joni nuriel, this is very revealing to me too. great job. incidentally, i wasn't criticizing you when i wrote about the dulcimer the other day. that's why i said ''fwiw'', i.e., ''for what it's worth''. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Eating Joni Oh Wally, your such an amazing Joni teacher. I love you. what did you reveal? I must say that only now, some few hours after i've finished the task, i'm just begining to understand and feel the warmth and the glow that's coming from the food and drinks in Joni's songs. I'll have to let it fill me with it's light and the healing power hidden inside it then i can write my thoughts. Pure happines... Nuri - --- "Wally Kairuz" > wrote: >nuriel, >this is very revealing to me too. great job. >incidentally, i wasn't criticizing you when i wrote about the dulcimer the >other day. that's why i said ''fwiw'', i.e., ''for what it's worth''. >wallyK _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:15:19 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Eating Joni mmmmm.....excuse me, I thought we were not meant to be smutty in the subject line? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:19:11 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Eating Joni That is priceless Colin. Mack > mmmmm.....excuse me, I thought we were not meant to be smutty in the subject > line? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:28:17 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: joni joni would like this; " Painting is poetry which is seen and not heard, and poetry is a painting which is heard but not seen. " Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:45:28 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Covers Just noticed that Undercover Bob is only 5 covers away from hitting the 800 mark! If you haven't checked out Bob's handiwork lately, head on over to http://www.jmdl.com/covers. Check out the list of recordings he's still looking for, maybe you can help. Also, did you know... Joni's Most Covered Songs: 1) Both Sides Now (194 times) 2) Woodstock (60 times) 3) Big Yellow Taxi (58 times) 4) River (35 times) 5) Urge For Going (32 times) 6) The Circle Game (30 times) 7) Chelsea Morning (27 times) 8) A Case Of You (25 times) 9) For Free (19 times) 10) This Flight Tonight (17 times) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Eating Joni My pleasure, Les. There's another "theme" project i've been longing to do for years so i'm working on it and i promise it'll be very interesting. You'll never guess but i promise it's going to make you Yahoo! Make Joni not war, Nuri - --- Les Irvin > wrote: >At 06:48 AM 10/29/2001, you wrote: >>An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, >>friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on >>Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. > >This is a very interesting project. Thanks for doing it. >Les _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: user-directed internet radio (sjc) http://www.launch.com/ still offers such a service, and in my opinion it's better than sonicnet's was. just don't tell my employer i said that. ;-) and, happily, the list of artists played on stations directed by joni fans includes not only natalie merchant (blech) and ani difranco (much better), but portishead (YAY!!). no folkie pigeonholing here. - --michael np: depeche mode, "never let me down again" ===== ___________________________________________________________________________ "[Naipaul] is devoutly read wherever literacy in English prevails, as well as in parts of America." - --Gavin McNett, "The Black Sheep." http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/10/14/naipaul/index.html Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly Hi all...Im going from lurker to full blown participant with this one, because I would love some help with an upcoming writing assignment... I'm interviewing John Kelly for a small NYC weekly, HX, and was wondering what you'd most like to know about him and his new show at Fez, which has been extended through the new year and I understand will contain some Xmas material (more to come on that)... anyway, the interview is this Wednesday, and would appreciate any insight or questions you all might have. Don't be shy! thanks much for any help gang... mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:07:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers <> I'll second that! The latest addition is a 1994 cover of Little Green by Lesley Olsher and The Santa Fe Sound Machine...thanks Dennis!! Volume 23 is right around the corner, so hang in there! Bob NP: The Silhouettes, "Get A Job" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:30:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: John Kelly May be on obvious question, but I'd really like to know how and why he decided to be Joni in his shows. She is not an obvious choice. Rusty10113@aol.com wrote: > Hi all...Im going from lurker to full blown participant with this one, > because I would love some help with an upcoming writing assignment... I'm > interviewing John Kelly for a small NYC weekly, HX, and was wondering what > you'd most like to know about him and his new show at Fez, which has been > extended through the new year and I understand will contain some Xmas > material (more to come on that)... anyway, the interview is this Wednesday, > and would appreciate any insight or questions you all might have. > > Don't be shy! thanks much for any help gang... > > mitch - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:45:37 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: ISO DAT copy of Joni 1/26/95 Hey everyone, I just got into the world of DAT and am looking for this show on such media. I only have 1 deck so I can't trade anything, so is there anybody out there willing to B&P this fine, fine show for me? I think it's on 1 60m. I would totally appreciate it. I have lots of non-Joni stuff to trade on CD-R (all top quality) for this show. Let me know and I'll send you a link to my list. Have a happy halloween everybody! Mark NPIMH-Katell Keineg, Hestia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:49:12 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: "Message to love-the isle of Wight festival" Also, Why wasn't other musicians such as Chicago in the video? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:26:43 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: scary Joni Jeopardy for fanatics how about Joni Jeopardy for fanatics? does someone on the list want to volunteer? for example, what were the original lyrics in "all I want"? what was Joni wearing when she got married (which time)? etc. I'll bet you could come up with some pretty difficult questions. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:33:33 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: John Kelly mitch, 1. Why, how, when and where did John Kelly get involved in Wigstock? 2. How has his identity as a gay man shaped his musical and artistic tastes and talents? 3. How, if at all, has his hiv status affected his life, work, and artistic endeavors? Just a few questions I'd be interested reading about . . . Richard in San Francisco n.p.- Holcombe Waller - "Twist" ================================= > >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST >From: Rusty10113@aol.com >Subject: Re: John Kelly > >Hi all...Im going from lurker to full blown participant with this one, >because I would love some help with an upcoming writing assignment... I'm >interviewing John Kelly for a small NYC weekly, HX, and was wondering what >you'd most like to know about him and his new show at Fez, which has been >extended through the new year and I understand will contain some Xmas >material (more to come on that)... anyway, the interview is this Wednesday, >and would appreciate any insight or questions you all might have. > >Don't be shy! thanks much for any help gang... > >mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eating Joni - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > An introduction to this one could've been nice but > i'm too hungry. So, friends, here's the full list of > every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's > lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. > Ha! This is great! Thanks for doing that! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:05:46 EST From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: John Kelly performance Saw John Kelly's performance for the first time Saturday night at the Fez in NYC, just in case anyone is interested. I understand Joni was very impressed with him a few years ago when she saw him perform. Part of it is camp parody of Joni and her singing, especially with older songs, like Circle Game, Chelsea Morning, Woodstock (he changed lyric to Wigstock) but other songs, especially more recent ones are very reverential. I was almost spellbound listening to his renditions of Amelia, FTR, Judement of Moon and Stars, Magdalene Laundries, Slouching Towards Bethlehem, and Night Ride Home. But I think too many in the audience, who really don't understand the seriousness and beauty of Joni's lyrics were just waiting to laugh at his exaggerations of her mannerisms. And this is why there will never be a just reward for anyone in this life, whether myself or Joni or Al Gore, who are always to be misunderstood and underappreciated. Isn't there anyone reading this who was ever laughed at as a child, or feels they are always having to prove themselves to the masses? Am I crazy, or am I the only one to feel that this is my connection to Joni? This is some sick world we are living in, when people all over America think that waving the flag somehow helps me overcome the daily breathing of the putrid air where I work in downtown Manhattan, 3 blocks from Ground Zero - it is literally the smell of death, and I am unable to extricate it from my lungs for weeks now. Nobody heeds the attention of those truly suffering, and this is why I will finally unsubscribe to JMDL, after having been on it since July of 2000, after seeing Joni's art show in Saskatoon. Her music no longer heals in these complicated times (doesn't she have anything to say anymore other than resorting to old standards), and most of her fans do not have a clue how she helped some- one like me survive the Reagan years and AIDS with albums like Dog Eat Dog. I dare anyone to address these concerns of mine. Otherwise goodbye with my next email to unsubscribe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:24:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Valerio! I have it on good authority that one of our Italian JMDLers, Mario DeTullio, is this day celebrating the 6 week birthday of his second son, Valerio. I rejoice for the blessings of new life, a new child, in Mario's family! "Mario De Tullio" In case you want to send a message -- (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:23:34 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Christmas CDs (SJC) My favorite is by the "Persuasions" and it's called, "You're All I Want For Christmas." This is the same group that sang back-up for Joni during the Shadows & Light tour. Leslie ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #337 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?