From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #333 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 333 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: October 25 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 25 [les@jmdl.com] article on yeats' poem ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re:On October 25 in Joni Mitchell History [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Tribute, part one [Steve Polifka ] Joan and Richard ["marianne marianne" ] Re: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine ["Kakki" ] Re: A Few Notes From the Harbourfront Hommage [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Mr. Kratzman [AsharaJM@aol.com] Read Joni's "Walk of Fame" Story!!!!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Turbulent Indigo time signature [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] RE: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine ["Deb Messling" ] Artists Joni Likes... (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Joni on Bravo??? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Joni on Bravo??? ["Dolphie Bush" ] More on Joni painting - Maltese Cross ["Kakki" ] Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 3 ["hell" ] Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:21:11 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 25 On October 25 in Joni Mitchell History: 1994: From Wally's Bio Page: The album "Turbulent Indigo" is released today. Joni went live on air on KSCW-FM's "Music Hall" in Glendale and for more than an hour performed solo on guitar, answered questions from the DJ, and told some fascinating stories about her adventures in Mexico with Charles Mingus, the beginnings of her trip up from Mexico to Albuquerque to visit painter Georgia O'Keefe, etc. 1998: Tonight, Joni performs in Chicago with Bob Dylan More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981025.cfm http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981026ct.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:21:11 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 25 On October 25 this article was published: 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - New Jersey Star-Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981025njsl.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 645 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:27:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: article on yeats' poem i found this article on yeats' ''the second coming'', which joni partially used for ''slouching towards bethlehem''. i found it interesting and provocative. go to http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4942/exytssec.html wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:56:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:On October 25 in Joni Mitchell History Les reminds us: <<1994: From Wally's Bio Page: The album "Turbulent Indigo" is released today. >> "He'd piss in their fireplace! He'd drag them through Turbulent Indigo" Happy Birthday TI. I can still remember standing at the record store waiting for the doors to open! as for (NJC), happy birthdays go out to Helen Reddy and Jon Anderson who were separated at birth :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:13:32 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni Tribute, part one Hi all... After a long arduous Amtrak journey, I managed to reach Jimmy and Rick, and we cabbed it to the Theatre where Joni was to get her star on Canada's Walk of Fame. We found fellow JMDLer's Ashara, Sal, Stephen, Yael, Jim Johanson who I was so happy to meet, and some new folk whose names escape me right now. Of course, the theatre was roped off in red velvet, making room for dignitaries, and special guests and of course the press. A fabulous mixture of her songs played on the outdoor sound system, and people trickled to the event from the streets. Eventually, some bagpipers came out with pipes ablarin' and out came the goddess, following several others inclucing the mayor(is he the mayor? sorrry Mags, I don't know his title!) Margaret Atwood recieved her award first after an intro by the mayor, then Joni, who radiated warmth and beauty as usual. When she was given her key to the city, she asked "So what does it open?" Only our Joni! (The response was- t'he hearts of all the people of Toronto', BTW) Then she got her award, which looked like an asymmetrical star with a hole in it- made out of granite no less- she handed it to the mayor like it was in her way,and stepped up to the podium. After a few sentences she asked that folks curb their dogs and not to litter on the star- getting chuckles from us all, but she really wanted everyone to think of a light hearted moment that made them laugh or chuckle when they passed by it. "That" she said, "Would please me..." At one point I yelled out "Joni Rocks!", and she looked over to see who it was. I waived a little special wave, and she waved back to me with a smile. My only real Joni moment, sigh... So she and Margaret walked over and unvieled the walk, posed for pics, and the press flocked to her, leaving poor Margaret all alone with one reporter... lol (and ironic lol, at that...)She dissapeared whence she came, and eventually we looked at the walk ourselves. Right before that however, I was standing with Jimmy and Yael, and we were singing along to Chelsea morning, and a crew turned to us and shot a bit. With our stopping upon embarrassment, they encouraged us to sing more, and asked us what are favorite Joni lp was. I said "Depends on the day of the week..." So we all listed as many albums as we could, and the question was asked "why Joni?" I replied, "Who else is there?" I went on a bit, but don't recal my exact words. Didn't see it on the news, and did not recall which station caught us at that moment. I then headed back with most on the subway, waiting to get ready for the evenings festivities... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:48:48 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Joan and Richard I noticed someone wrote a message to Joni on the list. I thought this was sweet. Where do we send something to Joni if we wanted to write her? Does anyone know? Regarding Richard Gere's comments. I want to say THANKS to Jack, Jan and Fred. ("Can I walk beside you?")... for responding to Richard Gere's comments. ie What's wrong with them? I kept reading them over and over to see what was wrong with them couldn't figure it out. Jack wrote. . . "I totally support his right to say what he said (and at the risk of being labeled anti-American myself, I agreed with him, at least in sentiment). If we've reached a point where someone can't speak out in favor of compassion, love and understanding, without being labeled an embarassment to the American people, then the terrorists have scored a much bigger victory than anyone is admitting to." I second this. Thanks Jack. (will you be mine?) Also, The quote by A. Lincoln was inspiring. . . "They sin by their silence... when they should have spoken out." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:20:38 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem It's actually 'Head of a man, shaped like a lion' or 'shape of a lion', echoing the verse, 'Shaped like a lion, it has the head of a man.' Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuriel Tobias To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem > Anyone blessed with a finer sense of hearing than myself would be very kind to tell me what is Joni singing in the end of nearly every chorus of Slouching Toward Bethlehem. After the line "...to be born" Joni's back voices go "oh-wwwwweeeeee" and then a line that sounds like "hell of a man" and then a line that sounds like "a shimmering iron" (only sounds like, for both lines). I'm 100% positive Joni's singing words in both cases. Been trying to solve this riddle ever since i first heard the song. Please help. > > Lots of love and life to ya', > Nuri > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:34:22 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Richard Gere's comments >This was the only thing that bothered me. I HATE Roger Clemens. >-jan >(national leaguer at heart) I HATE Roger Clemens too(Red Sox fan at heart) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:26:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Kakki alluded to Joni's take on the war not being political...could it be related to biblical prophecy? I would love to hear Kakki & Steve's interpretations of this photo, if they feel it is appropriate to discuss. My first impression was that the cross looked like the Red Cross logo. I really do feel the contrast of peace in the natural world (her garden) vs the destruction of the towers. Such a duality of reality. Vince wrote>>> The second picture is something I want to get ideas on... It sure does look as if she (or whoever the hand belongs to) is holding a Bible, maybe a complete Bible, maybe a New Testament, since the word "Gospel" means "good news" and the word "news" appears on the book cover under the cross - - - I have not been knowledgeable on the imagery in Joni's work... so I am very interested in anyone's interpretations of that drawing, including Kakki and Stephen who may have discussed these paintings with Joni -<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:14:21 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Richard Gere's comments At 12:34 PM 10/25/01 -0400, blonde in the bleachers wrote: > > (snip) > I HATE Roger Clemens too > (Red Sox fan at heart) What's lame is that Clemens now says the Red Sox's penchance for blowing leads/games/series cost him precious wins for his lifetime stats. This was, methinks, in a '60 minutes' profile. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:11:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine I will relate what she said but I REALLY do not want to be "shot" as the messenger or accused of somehow misinterpreting her, etc., etc. etc. I know there are people here who are not going to agree with her take. It is probably controversial to some but not to others. I also don't think she has fully expressed everything she thinks about it all to Stephen and I, so I don't want to shortcut her. In relation to the bombing of the WTC she attributed the cause to "America's exportation of violence in films and music." She did not elaborate on that. I personally found it not a complete explanation, but after pondering about it for awhile, I could see validity in her point. Joni did not mention biblical prophecy. I thought the cross could be the Red Cross logo but also could be the Maltese Cross, the significance of which I'd have to review and research again. The book looked just like the kind of New Testament books I used to see in Protestant churches back in the 50s. I found Vince's information interesting in that the word "bible" translates to "good news" which I'd forgotten. She did not tell us about the garden painting, so I was very pleasantly surprised and intrigued to see that one. She only talked in depth about the numerous images and faces she was seeing coming out of the smoke of the Towers and how she was scurrying around snapping photos from the TV footage, trying to get every moment of it captured. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:41:50 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 Next, the three performers introduced "The Mitchell Effect." Noting that Joni has been covered by more recording artists than any single composer, with the exception of Mozart, we were treated to impromptu "interviews" of people on the street, including song clips of everyday people singing the lyrics to Joni's songs. It was really fun and good placing in the program. That was segued into Rebecca Jenkins singing Blue, with an honest and heartfelt interpretation of the song. We then looked again to the monitors, where Angelica Huston and Joni's best friend, Charles Valentino, were expounding on Joni's virtues. Angelica said that she is "one of those people who makes you happy to be alive because you feel like she's always taking a big bite out of life." Charles said to Joni how much she deserved this honor, and that he and Angelica were going to have a dance in her honor. In the introduction to his next song, Brent says, "Michael, Willy, Richard, Carey, beautiful, beautiful Marcie, Cherokee Louise, Ron, Chikie, Lead Foot Melvin. With every one of these people, Joni Mitchell seems to have reintroduced us to some part of ourselves. And in the brevity of one song, she paints an entire life...like that." As he sang Shadows and Light, Hejira was somehow sandwiched between the beginning and end in a fluid, mellifluous way. Moving forward in Joni's career, the next subject was about charting new territories. Herbie Hancock was now on the monitor, talking abouthow he "happened" onto the Mingus album. He wasn't originally scheduled to be on it, but his friend, Jaco Pastorius, called him and said they were in the studio, and invited him to play. From that point on, he and Joni became friends. He says about Joni, "Her normal mode of conversation is so graphic and full of symbolism, just like her poetry. She speaks poetically." Wayne Shorter was on the monitor next, saying that she is a person who was willing to take chances, one of the few who were willing to put her career on the line. And by doing so, she proceeded to "break sound barriers." Rebecca Jenkins came forward to sing a really lovely version of "Two GreyRooms." Following that were humorous anecdotes, including the fact that Joni Mitchell has been the answer to 42 Across in the New York Times Crossword Puzzle, and her lyrics have stumped a contestant on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Stating that Joni Mitchell is an "icon," our eyes went back to the monitor for video clips of Joni references, including Chicago Hope,You've Got Mail, Down to You, and Robert Downey singing River on Ally McBeal. Another sandwich follows of Brent singing Sunny Sunday, pausing long enough for Anne Marie to powerfully recite the lyrics to TheMagdalene Laundries, and Brent finishing with the remainder of Sunny Sunday. It was a very powerful combination, with perfect timing. Finally. We are introduced to the Lady of the Hour, Joni Mitchell. She approaches the stage radiant in a two-piece Issy Miyake green and blue outfit. She is joined by Denise Donlan, the president of Sony Music, Canada. Before Joni can even sit down, she is rushed by Brent, Ann Marie and Rebecca, each offering a pack of her favorite cigarettes, American Spirits. All that is left is a light from an audience member, and she comfortably settles into her chair next to Denise. When asked about her "creative genius," Joni says she collects all kinds of ideas and stores them away, including a lot of cinematic ideas and short stories. She added that they always seem to "sort themselves out." She said as a child, she wrote in rhyme. When she was upset, it gave her a structure to work things out. As far as painting, she says, "I used to carry a sketchbook everywhere. Everytime I sat down, I used to draw what was in front of me. I used to sketch everything." She did this while "getting her craft together in a certain way." Joni continues, "I would draw the people at my concert before I went on. They would have to take the pen away from me." (So she could go on stage.) She says she has been approached several times to write a song for a movie, but she always ends up telling the whole movie, so they never use it. She calls herself a "musical illiterate," not knowing the "language," but she adds, "a sophisticated musical illiterate, kind of like an idiot savant of sorts." She says she likes to move around in keys, and gives "metaphorical instruction" to her players. She gives an example: "For instance, in Trouble Child, the piano player was just playing notes, and I told him to play a Japanese wave- it arcs up and then sucks down on itself. Whereas Wayne (Shorter) came to me the first time I played with him in London,he said, "It's like you're in Hyde Park, and there's a nanny and a baby, and the baby has a boat, and the wind is nudging it- (she makes a sound-do, do,do), it's nudging it, (do, do, do) I'm going to play it like that (do,do,do.) and I just thought, 'Oh, I love this guy!'" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:41:42 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 1 Since the review I did came out so poorly the first time, and it took so many hours to write it, I reworked it and am sending it again. Apologizes for using so much bandwidth again, but it really was unreadable the first time. I hope you enjoy it! Hugs, Ashara - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- We arrived at the Liberty Grand, a large stately building, to see a very large banner in front announcing what was in store for us that evening: An Hommage to Joni Mitchell as part of the 6-week long World Leaders Festival. The evening began with cocktails, and Joni made a short appearance during the hour. Then a wonderful sit down dinner of Elderflower Cured Atlantic Salmon, Pecan Crusted Yukon Caribou with Saskatoon Berries, Goat Cheese and Butternut Squash, and a delicious White Chocolate Cheesecake with BlueberryCassis Sauce. Executive Chef, Anthony Walsh from Canoe Restaurant and Bar, wanted to capture the brilliance of this country through the flavors and textures of regional cuisine. He even had a substitute for this vegetarian diner! As we made our way into the theater, it quickly became apparent that this would be a very interesting venue, with the stage in the center and seats to either side of it. Not a traditional theater nor theater in the round, it would be curious to see how this would work for the audience. The darkened stage started to glow a soft blue as Both Sides Now was played by the band, which consisted of a piano player, a cellist, and two other musicians that were playing Indian type drums, bells, and a xylophone. Brent Carver, Ann Marie McDonald, and Rebecca Jenkins came out to guide the audience through a multi-sensory evening consisting of live performances, media clips,and special presentations by many of Joni's friends and influences. Brent painted the scene with a narrative of Joan Anderson's early life on the prairie, while the cellist accompanied him with a soft version of Both Sides Now underneath, and the two large monitors above went through a slide show of Joan as a young girl. Of course, he mentions a huge influence of Joan's, Mr.Kratzman, who told her, "If you can paint with a brush, you can paint with words." Next, Brent sang a beautiful version of Night in the City. More anecdotal stories, such as her Grade 4 report card saying, "Original ideas with a gift of interpretation." And another Mr.Kratzman piece of advice, to "write in your own blood." This was followed by several of Joni's poems including "The Fishbowl," and "I Am a Guitar." While listening to these poems, we were treated to a slide show of many of Joni's early felt-tip pen drawings on the monitors, including many that are in the book "Star Art." Gordon Lightfoot was next invited to the stage to talk about the early days, when Joni was first getting started in the music business. He brought us back to Detroit in 1965, when Joan and Chuck Mitchell were playing at the ChessMate. He reminisced about being invited up to their apartment, and having to walk up 5 flights of stairs carrying guitars. He knew even then that she was a quality songwriter. He also talked about the Beatles coming onto the scene, and how every time they each had a new album to promote, there was a new Beatles album on the shelf next to theirs. He ended with how happy he was to be there and how he hadn't seen her since 1976. Then off the stage he went to receive a hug from the honoree. Joel Bernstein was next to honor Joni, in his "disembodied voice." Pictures of Joel and Joni on the monitor gave way to pictures that he had taken of her over the course of knowing Joni as her friend, photographer, and music transcriber for over 30 years. He explained the difference between standard tuning and open tuning. He said, "When the young Joni Mitchell was first introduced to these open tunings, she coaxed some very different sounds from the guitar strings." He went on to say, "And one day long ago, while retuning her guitar from one open tuning to another, she stopped some place in between and listened. 'Ooooo...delicious!!' thought Joni. 'I think I'll stay here awhile and explore.' And so she did, coming up with both a new and original tuning that wasn't standard or open and the new and original chords to play in it. This was the musical equivalent of Alice opening the little door and glimpsing an entirely new world beyond. From that day to this, Joni's curiosity, sense of adventure, and unique sense of what composers call 'tone color' have resulted in her own very personal discovery and deep exploration of literally dozens of these new worlds." Joel mentions that he is currently completing a project of many years- a 2-Volume set of arrangements of every one of Joni's released songs, complete with carefully transcribed tunings and chords for each. Hoping to be released next year, he says it will provide a "detailed map of where she has traveled musically over the years." He says he hopes it will inspire others to explore her songs and finishes with, "But you know what? Even with the book, when it comes to playing Joni Mitchell songs, nobody can do it like 'The Mitch' herself." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:41:57 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 3 On the question of how have your paintings changed since September 11th? Joni says, "There were two wars in my life on September 11th. I broke up with my boyfriend. He complained that I repeat myself too much, and I 'do' repeat myself too much. Especially now because I'm writing my book, so I'm writing a lot of my yarns in the oral tradition." She said she took a lot of pictures with a paper camera on September 11th, and she saw a lot of figures in the smoke. She started painting what she called "repetism," doing 5 double images. She said by painting, it helped her to become emotionally detached. Joni moved on by talking about her involvement with singing with an orchestra. She says when the orchestra starts to swell, it's like "surfing a pipeline," and pushes out a certain kind of performance. She adds that since there are such dramatic intricacies to her songs, you have to be more of an actress to sing them. She just wanted to sing and "sustain one nice mood" which she could obtain by singing the standards, and she was hooked. Denise tried to wrap up the evening by saying there was only 10 minutes left, and would she show us an example of her creative process? Joni then asked the audience if we would like to hear her improvise at the piano, or sing with the practice tapes of the orchestral background of the new CD's she is working on. Of course, everyone yelled, "BOTH!" and she was glad to oblige, although I think Denise was a little concerned of the late time. No one in the audience seemed quick to leave. We were more than content to stay as long as Joni would have us. She moved over to the piano, right where we were sitting, and it was truly a rare treat to witness her at the piano again. She improvised chords, much the way Paprika Plains was written, and we were spell bound. When she finished, she moved over to the stereo that was set up by her chair, and pushed a button. Joni explained that these were demo tapes, made by the orchestra for her to listen to at home. She said she often listens to them while walking around her house. The first strains of The Circle Game came through the speakers. I have to say that, for me, this is one song that I have heard too many times by too many people, and I was a little tired of it. But, when Joni opened her mouth to sing, it was fresh and new, and I listened to the words in a whole new light. She radiates beauty and her mature voice was perfect for this piece. Her whole being lights up when she sings, especially her own material. She "owns it" in a way that I find rare in singers. She has the ability to move through your soul when she sings, and speaks to you in her music as if she wrote the piece solely for you. She followed The Circle Game with Be Cool, a slowed down version of Borderline, taking a moment to explain that she had just received these tapes 6 days prior, as she kept looking to Larry (Klein) to help recognize which song it was, Cherokee Louise, Coyote, For the Roses, and ending with Slouching Towards Bethlehem. It was an incredible joy to watch her in the creative process. The evening came full circle as Mr. Kratzman, her 7th Grade teacher, came upon stage to present her with her World Leader award. We witnessed an intimate moment while Joni reconnected with the person she credits as being such a arge influence in her life, the teacher who gave her an A- instead of an A+ on a piece of poetry that she thought was very good. When asked why another boy received an A+, Mr. Kratzman answered, "because that is the best poem he will ever write." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:56:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Thanks Kakki for sharing your insights to this! I have heard some others express how the terrorists may have gotten some ideas from some of our movies & books. One, in particular (I forget the author) who described a commercial airline crashing into the WTC. Soon after the attacks, I heard about a think tank kind of scenario which invited some movie producers to participate in the problem solving. Weird. Don't know if that is exactly what she meant but just thought I would throw my 2 cents in on the subject! Kakki wrote >>I also don't think she has fully expressed everything she thinks about it all to Stephen and I, so I don't want to shortcut her. In relation to the bombing of the WTC she attributed the cause to "America's exportation of violence in films and music." She did not elaborate on that. I personally found it not a complete explanation, but after pondering about it for awhile, I could see validity in her point.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:41:52 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: :) Good for you checking out the site and requesting the book Brenda. Of course I am an old hippie and was head of SDS on my campus before they became the violent Weathermen. When I was in graduate school in 1969 in California, I had my loans and grants pulled because I belonged to SDS. At that time we had to sign a loyalty oath and I had my grants pulled because they said I belonged to an organization which advocated overthrow of the government. In December of 1969 I moved to Sweden where I learned Swedish and worked at the sociologiska institutionen in stockholm. It was a wonderful experience which I would not trade for anything. I am so glad that the JMDL affords us the opportunity to express our opinions while remaining ever-constant friends. Love and Peace........Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:41:20 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: A Few Notes From the Harbourfront Hommage In a message dated 10/24/2001 2:18:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Coyote4Joni@aol.com writes: > I swear I heard her say she was working on > her book. Please someone assure me I am not going crazy Yes, Rick, I mentioned it in my post. You are not going crazy. Hopefully, now that it's reworked, people will actually be able to "read" it also!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:44:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Mr. Kratzman In a message dated 10/24/2001 4:32:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Since he was from > Australia, he was going to teach the class about that! (Did I dream that > last part? Help!!! Rick, Janine, Ashara, Pearl, Mags, Brian, J.J., > Polifka, > What I remember is that he said in the curriculum there was only a very "small" bit about Australia, but since he was "from" Australia, he was going to change that to a LARGE part of the studies for the year. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:45:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Read Joni's "Walk of Fame" Story!!!!!!! A little birdie from Boston has informed me that Jim Johanson that master of the webmasters has updated part I of Joni related events from last Friday! There's pictures and plenty more coming so come back soon! Awesome job Jim :~) I tried viewing the homepage in AOL and much to my dismay I couldn't view today's news. I had to engage another browser, (Netscape) and there she was. Go figure. Could it be that I just recently upgraded my AOL to 7.0? nah....... Enjoy!!! much Joni Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:05:07 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Turbulent Indigo time signature Mark forwarded this question for his friend Melanie: >Has the joni list ever talked about the time signature(s) in the song Turbulent Indigo? What the heck is it? It shifts, or I'm imagining things. It seems like it floats between 4/4, sometimes 2/4, sometimes 3/4.... is it 4/4 with a 5/4 measure or two thrown in there every now and then to throw off our expectations?< I'm glad it's not just me who gets cunfused by some of her time signatures. I finally decided in the case of this one (TI) that it was generally 3/4 with an occasionally dropped beat (say down from 3/4 to 2/4), but only the Jon'ster would know, I suppose. The two that still stump *me* are "Stay in Touch" and "Love Puts On a New Face" on TtT. Anyone have those figured out? Warmly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:26:22 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Didn't the director Robert Altman just say something very similar? Certainly it's not a complete answer, but interesting to think about. If America is seen to be exporting violence via film and music, it's certainly not because we are more violent than the rest of the world. If Belgium were the film capital of the world, Belgium would be exporting violence via film. Violence sells, icky as that is. I was really afraid she was gonna blame it on Santeria, which would be just too weird. > I don't want to shortcut her. In relation to the bombing of the WTC she > attributed the cause to "America's exportation of violence in films and > music." She did not elaborate on that. I personally found it not a > complete explanation, but after pondering about it for awhile, I could see > validity in her point. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:24:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #516 >>>I don't necessarily know about the popularity or unpopularity of being Pro-American on this site but there have been many, many posts expressing anti-american sentiment here; criticism about what our government is doing now, and in the past. <<< i am critical of what our govt is doing now, & some of what it has done in the past. This does not make me anti-american !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:00:03 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Artists Joni Likes... (sjc) Hi, all, I'm still a week or so behind and still plowing through the digests, but I believe someone asked what young(er) artists Joni liked... I'm almost certain she's spoken highly of Bjork at least once, although at this point, I don't know how "new" or "young" one would have to be to qualify. Certainly back in the '70's she at least once complimented Steely Dan -- even during a period of time when they were somewhat scornful of her music. There must be others... Warmly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:43:00 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Joni on Bravo??? Hi, all, *Still* trying to catch up with the digests. Somebody posted something about seeing Joni on Bravo at the moment of his/her writing (dated the 21st, maybe). There was no follow-up. What appearance/show was it? Or was it just a passing reference? just curious, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:26:52 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Joni on Bravo??? I saw the original post Walt and turned the station to Bravo but it wasn't on here. Must have been a regional thing. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:06:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on Joni painting - Maltese Cross Regarding Joni's garden 9/11 painting - I looked at the painting again on the JM.com site (a very good resolution there) and the cross on the book is blue surrounded by red. This type of cross is a simplified version of the Maltese Cross. I found a couple of websites below which provide regarding it. Very interesting and arguably related in some ways to 9/11 events. Kakki http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cross.htm http://www.ashlandfire.com/maltese.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:39:16 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 3 Ashara wrote: > On the question of how have your paintings changed since September 11th? Joni > says, "There were two wars in my life on September 11th. I broke up with my > boyfriend. He complained that I repeat myself too much, and I 'do' repeat > myself too much. Especially now because I'm writing my book, so I'm writing a > lot of my yarns in the oral tradition." She said she took a lot of pictures > with a paper camera on September 11th, and she saw a lot of figures in the > smoke. She started painting what she called "repetism," doing 5 double > images. She said by painting, it helped her to become emotionally detached. Thanks for reposting these, theybre ba blot beasier bto bread bnow (sorry, couldn't help myself)! I wish I'd been there - it must have been a wonderful evening. But I also saw the reference to writing her book, and wondered if I'd read it correctly? I'm glad to have it confirmed - I can see a "must-have" in every jmdlers Xmas stocking, for 2002 maybe?! Here's hoping, anyway! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:06:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Deb wrote: > Didn't the director Robert Altman just say >something very similar? Yes, I seem to recall someone mentioning it. >Certainly it's not a complete answer, but >interesting to think about. It struck me out of left field at first, because there have been wars for centuries before the invention of film and the tranmission of music, but after I spent some time thinking about it, it just may be that Joni is thinking of one aspect that most everyone else may forget in the larger discussion. Here's another thought - in the past most violence in film was shown in a context of good vs. evil/good guy ultimately wins out over the bad guy so there was a moral to the story. However, for many years in the U.S. our films are either often filled with gratuitous violence or there is no good guy - just bad guys outblasting each other to no real purpose other than the "baddest" guy wins. I can imagine that the escalation of violence in music and films can desensitize some people to the point where they really can no longer concieve that the reality of violence is so much more horrifying than what they are seeing in the fantasy realm of a movie. Perhaps there is also an identification in people who are disturbed to begin with in achieving some kind of notoriety in being the "baddest" guy and going out with a bang. > I was really afraid she was gonna blame it on >Santeria, which would be just > too weird. Oh yeah, yeah ;-) No, nothing weird. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:20:33 -0700 From: Sue Glumac Subject: Janis and Joni Just came home from seeing "Love, Janis", a play written by Janis Joplin's sister, from letters and dairy entries of Joplin's. Terrific!! Maybe this has been discussed before, but does anyone know if Joni and Janis' path's crossed, and if so, what Joni has said about this talented and short lived dynamo of talent and emotion? Sue ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #333 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?