From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #332 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 332 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: October 24 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 24 [les@jmdl.com] Richard Gere's comments [simon@icu.com] Re: October 24th!! ["Victor Johnson" ] October 24!!!!!!!!!! ["kerry" ] Golden Birthday ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Donna J. Binkley" ] happy day! [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: ...and the Oscar Goes To... ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] HPBD! ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Mr. Kratzman ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Mr. Kratzman [Jerry Notaro ] Subject: Toronto Tribute ["Kate Bennett" ] and the Oscar goes to [Anne Sandstrom ] 10-17-01 Graham Nash Interview ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: and the Oscar goes to [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: and the Oscar goes to ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Merk54@aol.com] Re: and the Oscar goes to [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Mr. Kratzman [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: and the Oscar goes to [Scott and Jody ] Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Richard Gere's comments - What's the big deal? [Merk54@aol.com] RE: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching and 1 more [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: and the Oscar goes to [Catherine McKay ] Re: and the Oscar goes to [Catherine McKay ] John Kelly at the Fez [Hejira924@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:20:48 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 24 On October 24 in Joni Mitchell History: 1994: Tonight, Reprise Records held a "Turbulent Indigo" record release "meet & greet" at the Ruth Bloom Art Gallery in Santa Monica. The invited guests and the press could view more than 30 of Joni's paintings while hearing the new album tracks (released to the public the next day)on the gallery's sound system. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:20:48 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 24 On October 24 these articles were published: 1980: "Shadows and Light" - BAM (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801024b.cfm 1998: "Dylan, Mitchell keep the old crowd coming" - Minneapolis Star Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981024mst.cfm 1998: "Legends of the fall" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981024tgam.cfm 1998: "There's no escaping the Sixties time warp" - Ottawa Citizen (Concert Preview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981024oc.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 644 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:12:55 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Richard Gere's comments CONCERT FOR NEW YORK Madison Square Garden Oct. 20, 2001 Richard Gere's comments, from the VideoTape: "Hi New York. I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about. This is, this is, this is something I think we're all going to remember for the rest of our lives. This is the moment when we needed to be healed. And when music showed us the way. Music does what it does best, it helps us to heal. And I think in this situation right now, when, when we have the possibility of taking this energy -- this horrendous energy that we're all feeling -- and the possibility of turning it into more violence and revenge -- we can stop that. We can take that energy and turn it into something else -- we can turn it into compassion, into love, into understanding. (crowd boos) That's apparently unpopular right now, but that's alright. My friends right now are the cops, the firemen, the emergency workers. Those are the ones who don't ask if you're a good guy or a bad guy if they're going to save you. They don't ask what your religion is when they save you. They just do it because it need to be done. (crowd cheers) That's the heart that I'm talking about, that's compassion, that's the real thing. That's what we all need to aspire to. Before introducing our final New York film tonight, I just want to remind you to call the number on your screen or go to the Web address to donate to the New York Fund. And if you haven't given anything yet, now's the time to do it. Just call up and make your donation. Now if you've already given -- see if you can dig into your pocket a little more -- cause it's really needed now. In the midst of our grief for the lives that were lost on September 11th, many voices have emerged to help us understand the meaning of this tragic and historic event. Among the most poignant is that of Ric Burns whose epic series on PBS "NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM" aired its final episode just two weeks after the tragedy. People most needed it to restore a vibrant vision of New York to our national consciousness. "NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM" celebrates the richness and diversity of America seen through the lens of its greatest city, New York City." (End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown) for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- they sin by their silence ... when they should have spoken out. A. Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:11:48 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: October 24th!! Happy Birthday Mags!!!!!!!! Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:50:00 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: October 24!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAGS!!!!!!!!!! (our wonderful new H.L.!) Hope you have a great day!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:26:37 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Golden Birthday Dear Mags: I hear this is your golden birthday...24 years old on the 24th!! You DO know right...that you can eat anything you want on your golden birthday and not gain a pound. It is part of the golden rule. So enjoy all the liver and onions, lima beans, brussel sprouts, canned peas, squid, sweetbreads, and knockwurst to your heart's content. I have made a fabulous brown sugar bundt cake (heavy as a pound cake) for your birthday. Hell offered to bring the ice cream. Yael quietly sang a song she wrote about not traveling with ice cream over international borders. Lori is bringing rainbow hats and fortune cookies along with some very great news about her mother. And Kerry, well she has a thing for Miss Muffet and her tuffet so she is bringing cheese curds. Susan, also known as "The Gutz" has prepared a video for you of her riding her Moto Guzzi while singing "Black Crow". Happy Birthday Mags. Peace.......Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:38:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > IT'S MAGS' BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss > > This is indeed cause for rejoicing & general dancing in the streets. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAGS!!!! Hope it's the best ever! xoxox Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:56:37 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Toronto Tribute Dear Kakki: From the stories you have shared about your Mama...I am not one bit surprised she remembered the Toronto Event! If Joni did not mention Coco...I have told Coco stories. :) Love and Peace....Sharon Kakki wrote: > > What a sweet report, Stephen! I'm just so happy for all of you who could be > at such an incredible event! Maybe it's good I didn't go - I probably would > have been loudly hyperventilating when she took to the piano and started up > the bit of Paprika Plains! > > I was surprised that my mother had remembered the event was coming up and > called me for a full report on Saturday. She started choking up when I told > her the story of Mr. Kratzman. > > It sounds like you all had such a stunning time. These Joni events always > seem to be unfailingly incredible and fantastic for the jmdlers. > > Oh, and did she say anything about Coco?? ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:06:45 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Joni and Incredible String Band Jacky Gertus@aol.com quoted from Mojo >Admittedly, Robin tripped over the power cable at Big Sur >Festival and the entire show ground to a halt, but they'd >ended up afterwards in a hot spring in the rocks with >Joni Mitchell and David Crosby, all of them "pink as shrimp" >and singing Swing Low Sweet Chariot." Thanks for this Jacky - I'm sure I remember seeing some film footage of Crosby in a hot tub looking totally off his bing bong, surrounded by several young girls - or did I dream this - maybe it was a clip from the Big Sur film. Last year I drove up Highway 1 and spent a night at the Big Sur Hotel - staying in the tiniest single room I've ever slept in - in a log cabin in amongst the tallest trees. I went down the road a bit for something to eat and ended up in a biker's roadside cafe, full of ZZ Top look-alikes - I felt a bit out of place as I'd long since cut my hair!! I found this in a Rolling Stone review of the 1969 Big Sur Festival - see http://www.suitelorraine.com/suitelorraine/Pages/rncsny69.html "The Incredible String Band followed [Joan Baez], appearing in a vast assembly of instruments, singing their tales of troubadours, one of them about a pig, dedicated to "the Hog Farm people" who've done alot for us and for the country." and later "Joni Mitchell sat at the piano and offered a song she said she had written about Woodstock: "We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden". Did anyone on the list go to that festival? According to http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html she only played one UK gig supporting the ISB in 1967 at The Speakeasy in London - and she also played at The Marquee in Soho on that tour (how I wish I'd known about it then!). At the time I was living in Oxford and vividly remember seeing Robin Williamson and Mike Heron of the ISB at the Town Hall. Still love their early material, particularly 'October Song' from their first album (one of Dylan's favourites, too, I see in this Dirty Linen article http://www.futuris.net/linen/feature/32isb.html and 'The First Girl I Loved' from their second album '5,000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion'. > Changing the subject, I went to the annual rally of the BMG Federation on > Sunday - the most old-fashioned gathering of amateur musicians you could > find. My friend and I won the duet category so are feeling chuffed especially > as one of the judges, and later performers, was Simon Mayor. Very cool! Many congratulations, Jacky - Simon Mayor is an internationally renowned player - so very cool indeed!! I imagine you've visited his www.mandolin.co.uk website. Have you seen any of his instructional videos? Would you recommend? very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:24:10 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday Mags!!! Hope your day is filled with love and laughter. Love Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brian Gross Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:30 PM To: Joni@smoe.org Cc: pholden@iprimus.ca Subject: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S MAGS' BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss She is the love of my life and today I would like her to know just how special she is to me and to all of us. Happy Birthday Sweetie love, Brei xoxox ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:32:46 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: ...and the Oscar Goes To... hey, how about Joan Allen? Does anyone like Joan Allen? She's wonderful. J np: Son House - Low Down Dirty Dog Blues Janene Otten janeneo@mji.com www.RockDaily.com www.RockNews.com "I stood unwound beneath the skies And clouds unbound by laws. The cryin' rain like a trumpet sang And asked for no applause" - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:35:13 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: happy day! Happy Birthday Mags!!!! That means that two of my favorite people were born on the same day - you and Russ! And, for the Joni content, the biography is an interesting read. It fills in a bunch of details, but, of course, leads me to wonder about questions I never considered before. The thing I've found most surprising so far is what Joni said she would say if she were to do the introducion that Joan Baez asked her to during the Rolling Thunder Review. Frankly, I don't know what to make of it. She uses a word I never thought would escape her lips - and the one word I've never used. (it starts with 'n') Seeing as how I'm about to disappear for a week or so, I hope this doesn't start an interesting discussion on Joni and racial relations. (wait for me! wait for me! well, ok, you don't have to...) Anyway, the book touches on this subject a bit, especially Joni's dressing up as "Art Nouveau" on the cover of DJRD, and even in the line "while Muslims stick up Washington." It also talks about how she pissed off Furry Lewis, and the fact that she was frowned upon by some for being a "white chick" who collaborated with Mingus. Frankly, I've always been uncomfortable with Joni's dressing in blackface. But then again, I have a certain narrow prejudice myself that unless you grew up in a neighborhood in racial turmoil you couldn't truly understand the complexities of racial relations. I realize I'm wrong about that, but I guess it gives me the attitude of "well, I didn't have a lot of what others seemed to have, growing up, but I did have the first hand experience of cultural clashes and attempts to resolve them from a very early age". Anyway, the book is quite interesting. And there are references to us, both directly and indirectly, including general quotes from discussions we've had. (Remember the Urge for Going thread of a couple of years ago?) So, I guess we're famous... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:44:13 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: ...and the Oscar Goes To... Joan Allen gets my vote! Janene Otten wrote: > > hey, how about Joan Allen? Does anyone like Joan Allen? She's wonderful. > J > > np: Son House - Low Down Dirty Dog Blues > > Janene Otten > janeneo@mji.com > www.RockDaily.com > www.RockNews.com > "I stood unwound beneath the skies > And clouds unbound by laws. > The cryin' rain like a trumpet sang > And asked for no applause" - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:32:49 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Mr. Kratzman Stephen Epstein wrote: "Perhaps the crowning glory of the evening was having Mr. Kratzman arrive onstage. Big hugs between the two of them. He is a gentleman, articulate, loving and kind and far younger looking that I thought was possible! Joni was in tears, as was most of the audience. It was a loving tribute from him, to her!: Stephen, thanks so much for posting your wonderful report, but especially, for letting us feel as though we were in the front row of the audience for this special reunion. I have been touched over the years by the consistency with which Joni has mentioned Mr. Kratzman, who, of course, "taught [her] to love words." However, I had assumed that poor Mr. Kratzman was likely long departed from this world. Am so glad that isn't the case, and that former student and teacher had the chance to publicly demonstrate their appreciation and affection for one another. I work with teachers professionally, and can only imagine what it would have been like to have the chance to encourage and influence a student like the young Joan Anderson, who had so much to offer, although her gifts, perhaps, were not visible to just anyone. Arthur Kratzman's statement, "if you can paint with a brush, you can paint with words," literally changed Joni's life. . .and quite possibly, ours in the process. Talk about a "teachable moment"! So go hug a teacher today. And that means YOU, anyone who knows Sue Cameron! ;-) . Thanks again, Stephen. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:34:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: HPBD! Happy Happy Happy Happy Birthday Dear Mags! I hope you have a wonderful day!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:38:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mr. Kratzman you can hug ME too!!!! i taught my first class when i was 15 and i haven't stopped ever since. it's been 25 years. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Pitassi, Mary Enviado el: Miircoles, 24 de Octubre de 2001 02:33 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org; septstein@agmont.com CC: scam1@freeway.net Asunto: Mr. Kratzman So go hug a teacher today. And that means YOU, anyone who knows Sue Cameron! ;-) . Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:44:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Mr. Kratzman I used to use Joni's lyrics when I taught Jr. High English. And once used the entire Tommy work for an extended study, music and lyrics. Years later I still get comments from grown men and women how much it meant to them and how much more they understood them because of it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:26:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Toronto Tribute Stephen, thanks for the wonderful review of this evening. So, now that she has publically shared some of what she told you privately with Kakki, IT IS TIME TO SPILL THE BEANS! ;~} >>>Talk about repetism! Many of the things she and Kakki and I talked about a few weeks ago were chatted about- break-up w/Donald, the events of Sept 11th and how she was affected, painting......<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:10:01 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: and the Oscar goes to Has someone else already proposed this? I suggest our own Claudia should play Joni. Now the REAL question is - who should play Bob Muller (since he IS in the bio after all...) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:08:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 10-17-01 Graham Nash Interview Here is a recent interview with Nash (once Joni's boyfriend so there is the Joni content)...he talks about the current world situation, music (vinyl records, some great CSN, Everly Bros, & Grateful Dead stories) as well as his digital photograpy. http://www.themusic.com/ ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:35:09 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to Anne writes: > Has someone else already proposed this? > > I suggest our own Claudia should play Joni. > > Now the REAL question is - who should play Bob Muller (since he IS in the bio after all...) Great casting call! Claudia should play Joni for sure. As to who plays Bob Muller...Richard Gere, of course. ;-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:51:30 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: and the Oscar goes to Now here's something i agree on! Claudia should definitely play Joni. But Richard Gere's not cute enought to play Bob, he's also a tad shallow, our Bob is much more down to earth. But then i don't have a better suggestion either. But that's my take on the subject. Bob should play Bob. db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of JRMCo1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:35 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to Anne writes: > Has someone else already proposed this? > > I suggest our own Claudia should play Joni. > > Now the REAL question is - who should play Bob Muller (since he IS in the bio after all...) Great casting call! Claudia should play Joni for sure. As to who plays Bob Muller...Richard Gere, of course. ;-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:12:57 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mags, Happy Birthday, Mags!!! Have a great day! Talk to you soon, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:19:03 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to In a message dated 10/24/01 4:03:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > But > Richard Gere's not cute enought to play Bob, he's also a tad shallow, our > Bob is much more down to earth. Well, to each his own, but Gere is pleasing to my eyes. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:30:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Mr. Kratzman A couple of things that I remember from the conversation between Joni and Mr. Kratzman (who did look quite good for his age). He said that he remembered Joni always sat in the back of the class to the left. She picked people from the class that she wanted to sit around her. They even mentioned names of a classmate or two. Joni said she knew Mr. Kratzman was cool when he said "you can chew gum in class, as long as you bring enough for everyone". I could be wrong on this, but I believe she also said that Mr. Kratzman didn't like the text books they were using in the class and told everyone to disgard them. Since he was from Australia, he was going to teach the class about that! (Did I dream that last part? Help!!! Rick, Janine, Ashara, Pearl, Mags, Brian, J.J., Polifka, Stephen, someone??? Jimmy, who would hug Suze or Wally anytime! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:20:20 -0400 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to > I suggest our own Claudia should play Joni. > I like that idea. I can't think of anyone more suited. I would also like to suggest that the part of Bob be played by Richard Dryfuss, of "Goodbye Girl" days. He's got Charisma and when he says...Hey Kid or How's it goin' kid, you know it comes straight from his heart!! It's so good to be back. love, jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem Anyone blessed with a finer sense of hearing than myself would be very kind to tell me what is Joni singing in the end of nearly every chorus of Slouching Toward Bethlehem. After the line "...to be born" Joni's back voices go "oh-wwwwweeeeee" and then a line that sounds like "hell of a man" and then a line that sounds like "a shimmering iron" (only sounds like, for both lines). I'm 100% positive Joni's singing words in both cases. Been trying to solve this riddle ever since i first heard the song. Please help. Lots of love and life to ya', Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:08:14 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Richard Gere's comments Ain't nothin' wrong with what he said. - -Fred In a message dated 10/24/01 3:59:59 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: >"Hi New York. > >I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about. This is, >this is, this is something I think we're all going to remember for the >rest of our lives. This is the moment when we needed to be healed. And >when music showed us the way. Music does what it does best, it helps us >to heal. And I think in this situation right now, when, when we have >the possibility of taking this energy -- this horrendous energy that >we're >all feeling -- and the possibility of turning it into more violence and >revenge -- we can stop that. We can take that energy and turn it into >something else -- we can turn it into compassion, into love, into >understanding. (crowd boos) > >That's apparently unpopular right now, but that's alright. > >My friends right now are the cops, the firemen, the emergency workers. > >Those are the ones who don't ask if you're a good guy or a bad guy if >they're going to save you. They don't ask what your religion is when >they save you. They just do it because it need to be done. (crowd cheers) > >That's the heart that I'm talking about, that's compassion, that's >the real thing. That's what we all need to aspire to. Before introducing >our final New York film tonight, I just want to remind you to call the >number on your screen or go to the Web address to donate to the New York >Fund. And if you haven't given anything yet, now's the time to do it. > >Just call up and make your donation. Now if you've already given -- see >if you can dig into your pocket a little more -- cause it's really needed >now. > >In the midst of our grief for the lives that were lost on September 11th, >many voices have emerged to help us understand the meaning of this tragic >and historic event. Among the most poignant is that of Ric Burns whose >epic series on PBS "NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM" aired its final episode >just two weeks after the tragedy. People most needed it to restore a >vibrant vision of New York to our national consciousness. > >"NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM" celebrates the richness and diversity >of America seen through the lens of its greatest city, New York City." > > >(End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:11:47 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni and Incredible String Band n a message dated 24/10/01 15:08:26 GMT Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > > At the time I was living in Oxford and vividly > remember seeing Robin Williamson and Mike > Heron of the ISB at the Town Hall. Still love their > early material, particularly 'October Song' from > their first album (one of Dylan's favourites, too, I > see in this Dirty Linen article http://www.futuris.net/linen/feature/32isb. > html > and 'The First Girl I Loved' from their second album > '5,000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion'. Those are great songs, Paul, and I didn't realise Dylan was a fan. I expect you've heard Bert Jansch's recent version of October Song have you? It's on his Crimson Moon album. 5,000 Spirits is my favourite String Band album. I have often wondered if there is a link between ISB's "Somewhere in my mind there is a painting box" and Joni's "I am a lonely painter, I live in a box of paints" and if so, which came first. Don't suppose I'll ever know! > > > Changing the subject, I went to the annual rally of the BMG Federation on > > Sunday - the most old-fashioned gathering of amateur musicians you could > > find. My friend and I won the duet category so are feeling chuffed > especially > > as one of the judges, and later performers, was Simon Mayor. Very cool! > > Many congratulations, Jacky - Simon Mayor is an internationally > renowned player - so very cool indeed!! I imagine you've visited > his www.mandolin.co.uk website. Have you seen any of his > instructional videos? Would you recommend? > Yes, I've been visiting Simon's website for a number of years now, although it doesn't change much. I haven't seen any of his videos although I probably should have a look at them. I've looked at some of his tutor books and they seem good, especially the celtic one. I've seen him play a couple of times and have some of his albums. I particularly enjoyed seeing his "Mandolinquents" band, including Gerald Garcia on guitar, play. I was extremely lucky to have the classical player, Alison Stephens, as my teacher, but, sadly, she's now too busy being famous to teach me any more. Best wishes Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:12:09 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Incredible String Band >Did anyone on the list go to that festival [1969 Big Sur Festival]? I can't remember. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:05:00 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Richard Gere's comments >In a message dated 10/24/01 3:59:59 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: > >>"Hi New York. >>I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about. This is, (snip) >>(End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown) This was the only thing that bothered me. I HATE Roger Clemens. - -jan (national leaguer at heart) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:35:17 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Richard Gere's comments - What's the big deal? Simon, Thanks for reprinting Gere's comments from the other night. I watched the telecast, and while I remember thinking it took alot of balls to say what he said, personally I was kind of glad he said it. What better demonstration of our strength and our freedom, than to have him address that particular crowd and say the things he said. Were his comments inappropriate? To some people, I'm sure they were. Were they insensitive? Based upon the people in the audience, I would say they probably were. However, I totally support his right to say what he said (and at the risk of being labeled anti-American myself, I agreed with him, at least in sentiment). If we've reached a point where someone can't speak out in favor of compassion, love and understanding, without being labeled an embarassment to the American people, then the terrorists have scored a much bigger victory than anyone is admitting to. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:27:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem ''head of a man, shape of a lion''. the apocalypses beast. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Nuriel Tobias Enviado el: Miircoles, 24 de Octubre de 2001 07:02 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem Anyone blessed with a finer sense of hearing than myself would be very kind to tell me what is Joni singing in the end of nearly every chorus of Slouching Toward Bethlehem. After the line "...to be born" Joni's back voices go "oh-wwwwweeeeee" and then a line that sounds like "hell of a man" and then a line that sounds like "a shimmering iron" (only sounds like, for both lines). I'm 100% positive Joni's singing words in both cases. Been trying to solve this riddle ever since i first heard the song. Please help. Lots of love and life to ya', Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:39:44 +0100 From: "brian symes" Subject: thanks joni Dear Joni I really love your two paintings "wtcyard" and "wtctower" I converted the two paintings into .wmp files and used them for the background graphic's on my computer. The yard painting gives me smiles but the tower painting gives me tears. I have been in love with both your music and art work since your first album. Love Brian Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching and 1 more Oh, The Sphinx. (I was so used to the "shaped like a lion, it has the head of a man" line that i just couldn't get it right, not to mention the fact that Joni always printed nearly every lyric) So does it mean the song is...mmm...Egyptian? (The desert sands, the falcons..) THANK YOU, Wally! Wally, just another question, ok? The credits for "Tiger bones" say Joni's vocals are in it. Am i wrong to say that i DON'T hear any voice there or have i gone deaf?... Nuri - --- "Wally Kairuz" > wrote: >''head of a man, shape of a lion''. the apocalypses beast. >wallyK > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Nuriel >Tobias >Enviado el: Miircoles, 24 de Octubre de 2001 07:02 p.m. >Para: joni@smoe.org >Asunto: Unknown Lyrics of Slouching Toward Bethlehem > > >Anyone blessed with a finer sense of hearing than myself would be very kind >to tell me what is Joni singing in the end of nearly every chorus of >Slouching Toward Bethlehem. After the line "...to be born" Joni's back >voices go "oh-wwwwweeeeee" and then a line that sounds like "hell of a man" >and then a line that sounds like "a shimmering iron" (only sounds like, for >both lines). I'm 100% positive Joni's singing words in both cases. Been >trying to solve this riddle ever since i first heard the song. Please help. > >Lots of love and life to ya', >Nuri > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! >Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy birthday, sweetie, uh, Mags. Sorry, late as usual. Will everyone please stop posting for a while? - --- Brian Gross wrote: > IT'S MAGS' BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss > > She is the love of my life > and today I would like her to know just how special > she is to me and to all of us. > > Happy Birthday Sweetie > > love, > Brei > xoxox > > ===== > After twenty-three years you'd think I could find > A way to let you know somehow > That I want to see your smiling face > Forty-five years from now. > > --Stan Rogers > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:18:51 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Jim wrote: > Just wanted to let everybody know that I put up images of those two new > paintings that Joni completed shortly after the World Trade Center disaster. > Just go from the link that appears with the blurb on the news page, or if if > you want go directly to the paintings at > . > > I'm so glad some of us got to hang out together in Toronto -- what an > incredible experience! There'll be updates on Harbourfront appearing over > the next week (probably in installments), as soon as I can pull things > together. So stop by! > > jj Jim, way cool thing to do, thank you. The second picture is something I want to get ideas on... It sure does look as if she (or whoever the hand belongs to) is holding a Bible, maybe a complete Bible, maybe a New Testament, since the word "Gospel" means "good news" and the word "news" appears on the book cover under the cross - - I have not been knowledgeable on the imagery in Joni's work... so I am very interested in anyone's interpretations of that drawing, including Kakki and Stephen who may have discussed these paintings with Joni - (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:22:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mr. Kratzman - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I used to use Joni's lyrics when I taught Jr. High > English. And once > used the entire Tommy work for an extended study, > music and lyrics. > Years later I still get comments from grown men and > women how much it > meant to them and how much more they understood them > because of it. > I used Joni's lyrics in a Grade 10 English project. It was going to use lyrics of a bunch of rock/folk singers, but it ended up being entirely Joni. I hope everyone had a Mr Kratzman or a Mr Notaro or a Ms Suze or a Senor Kairuz at one point in their life - it makes everything worthwhile. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Has someone else already proposed this? > > I suggest our own Claudia should play Joni. > > Now the REAL question is - who should play Bob > Muller (since he IS in the > bio after all...) > Excellent idea! For Bob, maybe... Paul Newman, if you could de-age him. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: and the Oscar goes to - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Great casting call! Claudia should play Joni for > sure. As to who plays Bob Muller...Richard Gere, of > course. ;-) > LOL - Gere was my second choice after a younger Paul Newman! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:03:11 EDT From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: John Kelly at the Fez I'm going to see John Kelly (for the first time) at the Fez in New York this Sat., Oct. 27, with his new tribute to Joni - "Shiny Hot Nights." His promo has him dressed just like Joni was on the cover of Hejira, with black cape and beret. He is supposed to focus on her "later" songs. Does anybody want my opinion of the show after I see it? Will anybody else from JMDL be there? If so and you want to meet me, please reply. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #332 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?