From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #330 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 330 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- tribute ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Articles: October 22 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: October 22 [les@jmdl.com] Joni Tribute in Toronto [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni Tribute in Toronto ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Joni Tribute in Toronto [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 2 and 3 ["Leslie Ross" <] Re: [Bobsart48@aol.com] from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) [Emily K Gray ] the 'f' word [christopher blake ] Re: the 'f' word ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kakki" ] Globe and Mail Tribute review ["Stephen Epstein" ] RE: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kate Bennett" ] Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell: 'We Expected Eternal Paradise For This,' Say Suicide Bombers [Vi] Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kakki" ] Quick Hits (VLJC) long ["Kate Bennett" ] tribute ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) ["Wally Kairuz" ] the stirring of thoughts ... joni in toronto [Mags ] Re: Teena Marie and "The Israelites" ["denknee" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #506 [Yael Harlap ] excuse the lack of tagging [Yael Harlap ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:58:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: tribute mags, thank you for the wonderful description of the tribute & your beautiful poem! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:31:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes Kakki, thanks so much for posting these paintings....i really relate to the contrast of the exploding towers juxtiposed with the serenity of her garden...a powerful statement that i imagine many of us feel who are not in NYC.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:42:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #503 ashara, thank you for your wonderfully detailed account of what sounds like an extraordinary once in a lifetime event! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:42:42 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 22 On October 22 this article was published: 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Seattle Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981022st.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 643 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:42:42 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 22 On October 22 in Joni Mitchell History: 1988: Joni performs a short set in San Remo, Italy. Mauro Regis writes "This was the second (and last) Joni's appearance in Italy after 1983 tour. She was prized with the Premio Tenco, and performed a solo set of about thirty minutes. She was cold and throat ill, but played an incredible set, with one of the early (or maybe the first) live performance of "Night Ride home", and a building up "Passion Play" with no words." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:16:53 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni Tribute in Toronto I can now imagine what it must have felt like to be in the audience during the taping of PWWAM. I've only been to two of Joni's concerts, but this homage to Joni Mitchell outshines the concerts by far. Ashara did an excellent job of documenting this wonderful evening, so you already know the details. It was an amazing night in such an elegant setting. Men and women dressed to the nines to honor Joni. The reception, the dinner, and the actual tribute were 5 hours of total bliss for me. To be surrounded by such good friends from the list enhanced this evening even further. I could tell that Joni was really enjoying herself. She sat undisturbed with her good friends and family throughout the evening. No pesky reporters or photographers in her face. No adulating fans seeking autographs or as Bob Murphy so humorously mentioned "I wouldn't put it past any one of them to slap an inebriated arm around poor Kilauren and ask the nearest photographer to, "Get one of me and 'Little Green' here." LOL!! If any of this was going on, I certainly didn't see it. I had the privilege of finally meeting JM.Com's very own Jim Johanson. What a wonderful man! He showed what class he has when he sent a short note to Joni through one of the waiters which read something like : "Congratulations Joni, I know you are having a wonderful evening with family and friends and I don't want to disturb you. Just letting you know I'm here." (I know I didn't get the wording correctly Jim, and I hope you don't mind my mentioning this) Anyway, I'm just saying to the list what a gentleman you are, and how you exemplify this great Internet community. back to the tribute................The big event was a blend of Joni's peers showing their appreciation and respect by way of songs or short speeches. To see Gordon Lightfoot up on stage, to watch Mr. Kratzman sit and chat with Joni about her school days, to listen to Joni talk about her life, and then to top this all off with Joni playing the piano and singing bits from her upcoming album. This was an incredible evening of all sides of Joni which I shall never forget. SPECIAL NOTE: I must apologize to my dear friend Coyote Rick. He purchased our tickets the day they went on sale. Rick told me we were in the first row, but seats 34 & 35. Knowing this was a small venue, I figured we would be way to the left of the stage. The day of the tribute I told him I would rather have seats on the fourth or fifth row and be in the middle. (Here's where I eat crow.) We were ushered to our seats 34 & 35, but they sat us in the second row. We were right in the middle, but in the second row! Sitting next to Rick was jmdler Janine Sherman. I was happy with our center seats, but why this row of empty ones in front of us? WELL, in they walked, one after the other as my jaw hit the floor. Kilauren sat in front of me, Larry Klein in front of Rick, and Joni sat in front of Janine! It was the closest I've ever been to Joni. Don't worry folks, we did the JMDL proud. The three of us showed class. I only took the Altoids from Kilauren's purse. Then, using tweezers, Rick yanked a neck hair from Larry. (Larry slapped the back of his neck thinking it was a mosquito) AND lovely Janine kept kicking Joni's seat saying "Now, how do you think your housekeeper felt Ms. Mitchell???" :~D So, there Coyote Rick! I'm sorry I complained about our seats. Are you satisfied now???? Thank you Toronto and Joni for a wonderful evening! Jimmy (back in hot Ft. Myers) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:26:41 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute in Toronto I love this! It's probably what I would be thinking if I was ast this close to Her Joniness! - ----- Original Message ----- > Don't worry folks, we did the JMDL proud. The three of us showed class. I > only took the Altoids from Kilauren's purse. Then, using tweezers, Rick > yanked a neck hair from Larry. (Larry slapped the back of his neck thinking > it was a mosquito) AND lovely Janine kept kicking Joni's seat saying "Now, > how do you think your housekeeper felt Ms. Mitchell???" :~D > > So, there Coyote Rick! I'm sorry I complained about our seats. Are you > satisfied now???? > > Thank you Toronto and Joni for a wonderful evening! > > Jimmy > (back in hot Ft. Myers) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:40:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute in Toronto In a message dated 10/22/01 8:18:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Don't worry folks, we did the JMDL proud. The three of us showed class. I > only took the Altoids from Kilauren's purse. Then, using tweezers, Rick > yanked a neck hair from Larry. (Larry slapped the back of his neck thinking > > it was a mosquito) AND lovely Janine kept kicking Joni's seat saying "Now, > how do you think your housekeeper felt Ms. Mitchell???" :~D > > Jimmy, you are one sick pup!!!! ROTFLMAO fiftyblashes withbawet noodle Miss Crump rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:47:13 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 2 and 3 This report was just excellent. I really regret not getting along to the event. Biiiiig mistake. The accounts of the new work in progress are just driving me mad with anticipation and I'm wondering at the same time how I could lig my way into the recording sessions here in London. Les (London) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:24:22 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Marian wrote: "Now that I think about it, I think it was the Spanish in Central America who did the thing with the blankets. In some areas, 100% of the population was wiped out.................. In North America, I think more than 60% of the Native Americans died from smallpox." OK, so let me see if I have this right. The Spaniards in Central America intentionally sold blankets laced with smallpox (did they wear rubber gloves so they would not catch it themselves ?) to the Native Indians in Central America, who contracted it in large numbers. Then, just before their extinction, they managed to spread this communicable (but not so communicable) disease to the Aztecs through direct contact such as warfare, and before you know it, it had spread through intermarriage and whatever to all of the other 200+ tribes in North America until over 60% of the Indians were dead, but leaving the white man mostly unscathed (because of their secret vaccines). And that is how the Spanish intentionally killed off 60% of the Native Indians. Personally, I think there is some chance that diseases spread among Native Americans in many areas, in many ways, from many sources (no doubt most of them European), in the vast majority of cases unintentionally. I will give my "cousin" who is chair of the History department at Providence a call to see what most historians think happened there, in terms of intentional versus unintentional. Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:42:01 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) hi all. courtney and i got hitched on saturday, 10/20. it was beautiful, a small and perfect gem of a ceremony (officiated by ourselves and including a part where *I* told *HIM* "you may now kiss the bride!"). we had 40 people -- our friends and families -- and it was a real trip, i mean a real wonderful emotional burst of joy, to get all signed up officially with this person who has changed my life. and now for the JC! my two best friends, pro and semi-pro singers, sang "at last" a cappella and in harmony... and at the restaurant, where i had put "court and spark" in the CD changer (courtney got to choose one phish CD... his love), it turned out that the dance that we did with our parents was "free man in paris"! weird, but weirdly perfect. courtney and i did our "first dance" (well, SOME of these traditions i love, esp. the ones about music) to "bye and bye" off the new dylan album. all in all, a magical night -- one that filled this new yorker's heart with hope and love despite the concurrent acknowledgment that mourning and sadness don't go away... OK, so thanks for reading this (for those who care!) -- now i'm off to have some coffee with my HUSBAND (whoa). we're heading to a beautiful little wooden inn in the adirondacks next weekend where we will hike, sleep, and get out of NYC! love, emily tedrowe, reporting live from her second full day of marital bliss in brooklyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: the 'f' word as a part-time lurker i wonder if it is my place to say anything but i will anyway. i would appreciate it, in future subject headings, if people could refrain from using profanity. there are other, more literate, means to convey a message to the masses. i am checking my mail at school and do not know if any young people saw the prominently displayed vulgarities upon my screen. in the future i will only check my mail after school hours when purveyors of smut can feel free to contact me. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:38:52 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: the 'f' word s a part-time lurker i wonder if it is my place to > say anything but i will anyway. i would appreciate it, > in future subject headings, if people could refrain > from using profanity. there are other, more literate, > means to convey a message to the masses. i am checking > my mail at school and do not know if any young people > saw the prominently displayed vulgarities upon my > screen. in the future i will only check my mail after > school hours when purveyors of smut can feel free to > contact me. The first part of this post was okay, until the purveyors of smut comment. I don't ever remember using profanity here but if I did it would be appropriate since this is a site for Joni Mitchell and that word is from one of her songs. She also deals with adult content in her songs. I really don't think this is the place for censorship. If you, Mr. Blake, are allowing kids access to this site, then that is your fault, not the people who are doing the posting, and furthermore, using profanity does not make one a purveyor of smut. I suggest you find yourself a site more appropriate for you if you do not like what is written here. Also, smut is a subjective term, to say the least. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:36:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes Kate wrote: > Kakki, thanks so much for posting these >paintings....i really relate to the contrast of the >exploding towers juxtiposed with the serenity of her > garden...a powerful statement that i imagine many >of us feel who are not in NYC.... I wish I could feel the serenity of that beautiful garden - maybe someday again I will. As I wrote previously Joni did give us some of her thoughts about Sept. 11th which I hesitated to relate to the list because 1) I didn't feel right about repeating her before she made an "official" kind of statement in an interview, song, etc., 2) we may not have heard her entire viewpoint on the subject and I did not want to cheat her by relating it before perhaps not having all of her thoughts on it. I will give a hint, though, ;-) and say that the viewpoint she expressed is very unique and not at all geo-political in nature, either way, but she did place accountability in a non-political sector. I will also say that her viewpoints may be "politically incorrect" in certain circles, even though those viewpoints are not political in the traditional sense. I hope we do hear more from her soon. I also wonder if the listers from Toronto heard anymore from her on the subject and have anything to add. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:50:16 -0700 From: Jim Subject: New Joni paintings from LA Times Magazine Just wanted to let everybody know that I put up images of those two new paintings that Joni completed shortly after the World Trade Center disaster. Just go from the link that appears with the blurb on the news page, or if if you want go directly to the paintings at . I'm so glad some of us got to hang out together in Toronto -- what an incredible experience! There'll be updates on Harbourfront appearing over the next week (probably in installments), as soon as I can pull things together. So stop by! jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:06:23 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Globe and Mail Tribute review Hi all, In today's Toronto Globe and Mail there is a review of Friday night's Harbourfront Tribute- go to www.globeandmail.com and click on the heading near the top "The Arts". It is the 2nd or 3rd article down. (As I am on Lotus Notes for e-mail, it is next to impossible for me to send it directly!!) Do check it out today, as it was in this morning's paper! My report to follow later- it was utterly fantastic!!! Best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:56:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes Kakki, I understand why you must feel hesitant to share joni's views which she shared with you. That her view is unique is no suprise! I hope we will hear from her soon too. I hope you can find a place of serenity Kakki. In spite of all that is going on, there is so much beauty that surrounds us that can heal us. Being surrounded by nature & children always brings me back to that joyful place. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:32:47 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Proximity to perfection The wonderfully-named Jimmy Stewart wrote: "WELL, in they walked, one after the other as my jaw hit the floor. Kilauren sat in front of me, Larry Klein in front of Rick, and Joni sat in front of Janine! It was the closest I've ever been to Joni." CONGRATULATIONS, Jimmy, Coyote Rick, and Janine! For your good fortune, as well as your impeccable behavior. You done us proud! Your happy surprise reminds me a little of my own Brush With Greatness in October of 1998. After returning from Joni's concert in suburban Detroit to our very nice hotel, where we had already met Joni earlier that afternoon, a few JMDLers and I wandered into the hotel restaurant, where a good number of our group were already assembled. I sat down at the table and was probably chatting up a storm when somebody poked my arm gently and pointed backward. Well, my jaw dropped to about 10 feet lower than the floor: there, at the table behind us, sat Joni, Larry Klein, Brian Blade, and a few others whose names I can't recall at the moment. Suffice it to say that, for the greater part of an hour, one side of my chair was *back to back* with Joni's as she enjoyed what I hope was a very good dinner. And for the first time in my life, I was stunned into silence! Mary P. NP in my head: "I remember that night when you told me, love is touching chairs." Or something like that. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:39:04 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell: 'We Expected Eternal Paradise For This,' Say Suicide Bombers http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/hijackers_surprised.html [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN] Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell: 'We Expected Eternal Paradise For This,' Say Suicide Bombers JAHANNEM, OUTER DARKNESSThe hijackers who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon expressed confusion and surprise Monday to find themselves in the lowest plane of Na'ar, Islam's Hell. [TABLE NOT SHOWN] "I was promised I would spend eternity in Paradise, being fed honeyed cakes by 67 virgins in a tree-lined garden, if only I would fly the airplane into one of the Twin Towers," said Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11, between attempts to vomit up the wasps, hornets, and live coals infesting his stomach. "But instead, I am fed the boiling feces of traitors by malicious, laughing Ifrit. Is this to be my reward for destroying the enemies of my faith?" [TABLE NOT SHOWN] The rest of Atta's words turned to raw-throated shrieks, as a tusked, asp-tongued demon burst his eyeballs and drank the fluid that ran down his face. According to Hell sources, the 19 eternally damned terrorists have struggled to understand why they have been subjected to soul-withering, infernal torture ever since their Sept. 11 arrival. "There was a tumultuous conflagration of burning steel and fuel at our gates, and from it stepped forth these hijackers, the blessed name of the Lord already turning to molten brass on their accursed lips," said Iblis The Thrice-Damned, the cacodemon charged with conscripting new arrivals into the ranks of the forgotten. "Indeed, I do not know what they were expecting, but they certainly didn't seem prepared to be skewered from eye socket to bunghole and then placed on a spit so that their flesh could be roasted by the searing gale of flatus which issues forth from the haunches of Asmoday." "Which is strange when you consider the evil with which they ended their lives and those of so many others," added Iblis, absentmindedly twisting the limbs of hijacker Abdul Aziz Alomari into unspeakably obscene shapes. "I was told that these Americans were enemies of the one true religion, and that Heaven would be my reward for my noble sacrifice," said Alomari, moments before his jaw was sheared away by faceless homunculi. "But now I am forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until I burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. This must be some sort of terrible mistake." Exacerbating the terrorists' tortures, which include being hollowed out and used as prophylactics by thorn-cocked Gulbuth The Rampant, is the fact that they will be forced to endure such suffering in sight of the Paradise they were expecting. "It might actually be the most painful thing we can do, to show these murderers the untold pleasures that would have awaited them in Paradise, if only they had lived pious lives," said Praxitas, Duke of Those Willingly Led Astray. "I mean, it's tough enough being forced through a wire screen by the callused palms of Halcorym and then having your entrails wound onto a stick and fed to the toothless, foul-breathed swine of Gehenna. But to endure that while watching the righteous drink from a river of wine? That can't be fun." Underworld officials said they have not yet decided on a permanent punishment for the terrorists. "Eventually, we'll settle on an eternal and unending task for them," said Lord Androalphus, High Praetor of Excruciations. "But for now, everyone down here wants a crack at them. The legions of fang-wombed hags will take their pleasure on their shattered carcasses for most of this afternoon. Tomorrow, their flesh will be melted from their bones like wax in the burning embrace of the Mother of Cowards. The day after that, they'll be sodomized by the Fallen and their bowels shredded by a demonic ejaculate of burning sand. Then, on Sunday, Satan gets them all day. I can't even imagine what he's got cooked up for them." [IMAGE] ) Copyright 2001 Onion, Inc., All rights reserved. http://www.theonion.com/ [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:39:28 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes In a message dated 10/22/01 4:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > As I wrote previously Joni did give us some of her thoughts > about Sept. 11th which I hesitated to relate to the list because 1) I didn't > feel right about repeating her before she made an "official" kind of > statement in an interview, song, etc., 2) we may not have heard her entire > viewpoint on the subject and I did not want to cheat her by relating it > before perhaps not having all of her thoughts on it. I will give a hint, > though, ;-) and say that the viewpoint she expressed is very unique and not > at all geo-political in nature, either way, but she did place accountability > in a non-political sector. I will also say that her viewpoints may be > "politically incorrect" in certain circles, even though those viewpoints are > not political in the traditional sense. I respect your decision, especially because you are not sure that you heard her viewpoint in its entirety. I can only hope that Joni has a more realistic outlook than Richard Gere. Though I only have heard secondhand what he had to say Saturday at the concert in New York, I consider him an embarrassment to Americans. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:23:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes LOL, so what did richard say, paul? >>>I respect your decision, especially because you are not sure that you heard her viewpoint in its entirety. I can only hope that Joni has a more realistic outlook than Richard Gere. Though I only have heard secondhand what he had to say Saturday at the concert in New York, I consider him an embarrassment to Americans. Paul I <<>< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) Hurray for you, Emily! Sounds like a really FUN wedding - just the way it should be! Much happiness to you ... and your.... husband! - --- Emily K Gray wrote: > hi all. courtney and i got hitched on saturday, > 10/20. > it was beautiful, a small and perfect gem of a > ceremony > (officiated by ourselves and including a part where > *I* > told *HIM* "you may now kiss the bride!"). (I especially like that part - ^ right up there.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:53:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes In a message dated 10/22/01 6:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > LOL, so what did richard say, paul? > > Admittedly this is secondhand, but he apparently appealed to those in the crowd to embrace bin Laden and to forgive him and his band of terrorists. We should reach out with kindness to this killers of civilians and invite them to join us at our table. This is from a Richard Gere website: New York (ABCNEWS.com) b Richard Gere, who is deeply devoted to the teachings of the Dalai Lama, says the best way for Americans to deal with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is with "the medicine of love and compassion.""In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who's suffering," the actor told ABCNEWS Radio in an exclusive interview. But, he said, we must also think about "the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. If you see it from a much wider point of view, we're all in this together. We're all intimately interconnected in all of these actions." Gere was in New York on Tuesday to help celebrate the release of Good Life, Good Death, a book by Rinpoche Nawang Gehlek, a Buddhist lama, or teacher. The event was planned before the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and included performances from Paul Simon, his wife Edie Brickell, and composer Philip Glass.Love as Medicine One of Hollywood's most vocal advocates of Buddhism, Gere stressed the importance of compassion for everyone b even terrorists. "It's all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible," said Gere, star of such movies as Runaway Bride, Pretty Woman, and Primal Fear. "If you can see them [the terrorists] as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better." Gere said he was on his way to a Buddhist retreat in Massachusetts on the day of the attacks, and arrived just after the attack on the World Trade Center began. "I got there about 10 o'clock, and when I arrived there, everyone was in a state because the first tower had been hit," he said. "Within a few minutes, the second tower had been hit and it was, um, extraordinary chaos. An enormous amount of tears and a lot of compassion and suffering was being generated there in this retreat." This isn't the first time Gere has publicly advocated using love to deal with international incidents. At the 1993 Oscars, he asked the audience and the millions watching the awards ceremony on television to send "love and truth" to then-Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping to persuade him to pull Chinese troops from Tibet. bDavid Blaustein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Quick Hits (VLJC) long Hi All! First of all to everyone in Toronto who feasted on the festivities ... How wonderful for all of you and thanks for keeping us posted. I guess I wasn't that excited till you all got there and started posting. But we want to hear more, - every little detail. Ashara, what a great post ... it was way better having you report than E! I will be reading that over and over to make sure I can see everything that happened as if I were there ... And then there's Mags, my newest friend since leaving Jonifest 2001. What beautiful verse you wrote and were kind enough to share with all of us. Another post I will read again and again. I am so glad you are there to enjoy this with Brei. Both of these posts had me - of course - in tears, but tears of joy and a tiny bit of envy. I want to speak about the attacks & our reaction. I wish I was in a good enough place with all that has happened to get my thoughts in better order, but I am not very confrontational and I wince at some of the personal attacks and insinuations I have seen here. So please be easy with me - I am a big chicken. Guess I am ready to roll ... But just some quick hits, I am a pacifist with a temper. Okay no Billy Jack jokes, ... well it's the first thing that came into my head after I wrote that damnned sentence. Seriously though,I believe in pursuing justice for as long as possible in a non-violent manner. BUT comes a time when we can not accept all the guilt and be our own worst enemy, nor be so complacent that we get walked all over. What kind of action at that point should be well planned and thought out. After reading many of Kate's posts here since the horrific event, I too felt that violence was not necessarily the first & only or the best way to go. But I also don't pretend to know what the right answer is, I was impressed with Bush's first few days - 2 weeks after the "event." But I think he is feeling way too comfortable in his skin right now and that attitude can trigger even more animosity. I am trying NOT to entice or insult anyone here, so believe me I was shocked and glad he handled things as well as he did ... early on. But for all we say about the need for war - the longer it goes on the more innocent people will be killed, maimed, starve etc. And guess what ... I am a little worried about "me" in all of this. I am so sorry, but I think it was someone from Chicago (Fred?) as he used the Sears Tower in his example, I too fear the reality of nuclear disaster from these "suitcase nukes." I am more scared than at any time during the Cold War. I have been working out in my head, when I get depressed or bored, escape plans or safer places to live. Sometimes I feel crazy cause this seems to be the last thing everyone thinks is going to happen. What are we doing about defending against that or is it this real - THERE MAY BE NO DEFENSE FOR THIS OCCURRENCE! I have had several "Nuke" dreams, this is NOT like me at all. I think many nights, during train rides to work or home, waiting in store lines about the horror almost 6,000 people had to face their last moments on earth and it makes me sick. I think of the thousands more who waited for days for loved ones to come home and didn't and my heart bleeds. But I think about picking on a war torn devastated country and look at the pain in their faces and I can not look away. Can you? Since 1976, that's 25 years to make a policy or carry out a plan in the middle east. I won't go into my Regan bashing here & now but he was soo used against Jimmy Carter by Iran. He must have thought after the hostages were released that he actually had a plan in place so far as the Middle East was concerned. For that matter every administration since has failed to see that light and I who once had a comfort zone where these matters were concerned ... feel it no longer. So now we must start from the bottom and work ourselves up. We must ALL get rid of ALL that is nuclear, we must keep our noses in our own business and we must build solutions that are based on our common threads. Perhaps as a country it is time for us to take that road less traveled. Before the roads are all destroyed. This is not giving up or in, it is how heroes & history & victories are made. I am not a hero ... I my friends am very scared for my family - for me and for all of you beautiful people. I know I have rambled, but I have a bit more to say to our little community. Kate thank you for helping me not to simply react. I was reminded of my Robin in many of the words and thoughts you focused on and I was reminded to continue on with her dream of peace through pacifism. Thank you Kakki for your well thought out views and the non-confrontational way you present them. Two people with opposing views who actually listen to each other! Ahhh what a wonderful world it can be. Anne thanks for your poem, it touched us all deeply. So many more posts or words that I can't pin on the correct person, but thank you all. You certainly have all been a comfort to me this past month. And to all the gang on JMDLEZ, thanks for just being who you all are. There are days when I just want to destroy everything in our way, but I am reminded that I am an American - a human - I am civilized - I feel pain - and I remember that there are more people who come together than pull apart ... Imagine, I do and I know I am not the only one. Well I may have come in as bright as a neon light and burned out right here before you but I was boiling over with my thoughts and I wind up going all over the place. Anyway there is my two cents. Let's all keep talking but let's all do more listening. Peace Susan Well that took up about 2 hours of work oh well time to go! Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:07:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes Paul wrote: >I can only hope that Joni has a more realistic >outlook than Richard Gere. I did not get the impression that she was a pacifist. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:08:04 -0700 From: Ted Greenwald Subject: Newbie - CD trade request Hello all, I've been lurking and haven't seen any trading on the list, so I hope this request isn't out of line. I'm looking to trade for the JMDL CD Trees and various other JM titles. Have lots of Beatles and Neil Young, plus some Richard Thompson and others. Thanks! Ted - -- - ------------------ Ted Greenwald senior editor Wired Magazine 520 3rd Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.276.4974 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:00:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Quick Hits (VLJC) long Susan said, "Perhaps as a country it is time for us to take that road less traveled. Before the roads are all destroyed." Susan, in this statement you were able to express something so deep that I have been struggling to put into words all of these weeks. Thanks. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:00:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: tribute thanks jimmy for your post, i can hardly imagine how excited the three of you must have been to sit behind the guests of honor! i picture you all trying to contain the excitement but hardly able to... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:56:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) > love, > emily tedrowe, reporting live from her second full day of > marital bliss in brooklyn > CONGRATULATIONS EMILY & COURTNEY!!! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:04:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) emily, such great news!!!!!! i wish you all the sweet things that love brings! a hundred years of happiness to you and courtney. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Lunes, 22 de Octubre de 2001 10:56 p.m. Para: Emily K Gray; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) > love, > emily tedrowe, reporting live from her second full day of > marital bliss in brooklyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:42:59 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: from Emily Gray TEDROWE (!!!) Emily K Gray wrote: > > love, > emily tedrowe, reporting live from her second full day of > marital bliss in brooklyn Congratulations, Emily!!! Sounds like you and Courtney have had a wonderful and memorable start to your life together. Best wishes to you both, always. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:52:49 -0400 From: Mags Subject: the stirring of thoughts ... joni in toronto I cannot help but write some more thoughts and feelings... the bonus of this tribute was sharing it with other jmdlers...some Ive met in person and some only through various emails. It was so good to see everyone again and witness this incredible evening. (almost too good to be true!) I believe that our jmdl connections are deepened because of this rare and amazing tribute to our Joni. Thank you to everyone for your friendship and love. We all met on Queen Street West the next day and just kept looking at one another ... speechless... how is it possible??? how can we possibly relay how it felt to be in the presence of Joni, let alone what she gave to us that night. Certainly a piece of her heart, at the very least. I am eternally grateful to Brian for this the best birthday gift ever. Joni was gracious and beautiful and she had so much fun and was obviously moved to the core by everything that happened in her honour. It was especially wonderful to see her face when they announced that Mr. Kratzman himself was there to give her the award at the end of the evening. In that moment, I watched the transformation as she became young Joni in the classroom sitting up and taking notice of this man who was definitely 'not' like the rest of the teachers in her experience. They greeted each other like long lost friends and held each other close in a warm embrace. They had a looooong and memorable talk about those days...eyes glistened brightly as Kratzman read something he had written for her. Yes, it made her cry, and pretty much everyone else in the audience. To see that others 'get it' had to be such a joy for Joni...finally. I also enjoyed seeing Gordon Lightfoot and Loreena Mckennitt in the audience...Gordon of course got to go up on stage early on in the evening to say some wonderful things about his memories of Joni in the early days of coffee houses here and south of the border. I understand that Gordie and Joni have been long term friends. Ive been a fan of Gordon's for a very long time and it made me so happy and proud to see him share in Joni's tribute. He is quite the performer himself and has had long standing gigs at Massey Hall in Toronto. While the Liberty Grand was quite innovative, I would have liked to see this take place at either Massey Hall or else at the Festival Theatre in Stratford, Ontario. Just my humble opinion of course. I cannot help but say how very special it was to sit beside and share the evening with Brian. I said this in my other post and I cannot help but say it again...it really is because of Joni that Brian and I found one another in this space..and of course that leads me into a big thank you to everyone for your support of 'us'....oh it takes a village. And to our very own Jim Johansen...while I did get to meet you finally and tell you how I feel in person, I wanted to reiterate how much we appreciate everything you have done and continue to do for all of us and for Joni . thanks for listening to me gush some more. loving the stories from all sides, now and then. love, Mags and Brei - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:59:19 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: Re: Teena Marie and "The Israelites" Okay, I hadda crawl outta lurkdom because I couldn't let this go by: That Caucasian, soulful Brit Kiki Dee released a fine album, for it's time, on Tamla/Motown in 1970: 'Great Expectations', and in 1972, the less soulful Lesley Gore released an album, 'Someplace Else Now', on Motown subsidiary MoWest. Teena's debut, 'Wild and Peaceful', came out on Gordy in 1979. And me thinks the line from Demond Dekker's "Israelites" reads, "My wife and my kids they PACK up and leave me", but ya gotta listen real close to be sure. Thanks. Now lemme get back to some rest... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:48:18 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #506 Mags said: >While the Liberty Grand was quite innovative, I would >have liked to see this take place at either Massey >Hall or else at the Festival Theatre in Stratford, >Ontario. Just my humble opinion of course. But it *couldn't* have been at Massey Hall because I was there watching Tori Amos at that very time!!! :-) I am suffering major major tori withdrawal and am contemplating using money and time i don't really have to fly out to LA in two weeks to see 3 tori shows in a row. someone please tell me i am crazy. - -yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:50:48 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: excuse the lack of tagging My apologies for forgetting NJC. Its been a while since I've done that. Bad Yael. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #330 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?