From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 328 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: October 21 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Press Release [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni and Alanis question [Nuriel Tobias ] joni and jazz ["Mario De Tullio" ] RE: in this moment ["Wally Kairuz" ] What ever happened to Toronto? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: What ever happened to Toronto? ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: joni and jazz [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: in this moment [Mags ] Re: in this moment [Bobsart48@aol.com] Joni does NOT like Alanis [Relayer211@aol.com] she lays her hands down [Mags ] Pamela Wallin's latest book [Kate ] Re: she lays her hands down [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Pamela Wallin's latest book [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fw: joni question ["Mark or Travis" ] New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine [Scott Price ] JONI-in the LA Times [Kammass@aol.com] Re: DCC 24 kt gold Court & Spark [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine [Phyliss Ward ] Re: JONI-in the LA Times [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes ["Kakki" ] Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine ["Kakki" ] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 (LONG!!) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 2 [AsharaJM@aol.com] More on Joni painting ["Kakki" ] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 3 [AsharaJM@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 03:30:12 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 21 On October 21 this article was published: 1997: "Jackson Browne: Joni's new tune is a low blow" - National Enquirer (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971021ne.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 642 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 04:21:30 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Press Release In a message dated 10/21/01 12:29:16 AM, kate@katebennett.com writes: << the cool thing is that when i brought in the press release to the local arts paper the editor said he LOVES joni >> Wow, Kate, what are the chances of that! Love you, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni and Alanis question Hi everyone What does Joni think of Alanis and her music?... I'm asking cause i was sure i didn't like Alanis till i heard "No Pressure Over Cappucino" and "Joining You" (From the unplugged show)and now I wonder who else is writing lyrics about young folks with such an amazing insight and so painfuly naked these days but Alanis. I can "understand" Joni's "problem" with anyone who isn't a guitarmaster and a harmonygenius like her but out of all those who claim to be "influenced" by Joni's lyrics Alanis seems like she's the only one (that i can think of) that Joni should give a big hug. Alanis bonus track ("All afternoon"?) from her "Jagged Little Pil" album where she sings "J-O-N-I" so loud and sweet paints such a beautiful picture of a Joni fan (the boy Alanis is in love with in the song) that i get the shivers. Hope you'll tell me. Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:14:14 +0200 From: "Mario De Tullio" Subject: joni and jazz Thank you very much for your (Cindy, Kakki, Bob, Kate, Jerry) encouraging comments on my English. I am mainly a jazz fan, so I met Joni's music through Mingus (Jaco could actually swing like nobody else!). I also like very much the sound of BSN, which reminds me of the Gil Evans orchestra. I must confess that I do not know much about Joni's work between these two albums. Can anybody suggest where I can find articles about Joni and Jazz music? Thanks, Mario NP: Oregon, Alpenbridge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:24:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: in this moment magsie, what did joni sing when she played the piano? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:31:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: What ever happened to Toronto? Like many other JMDLers, I often get up during the night to pee a fecking anaconda. I was looking forward to tonight's little wake-up call from nature because I thought I'd finally be able to read some up-to-the-minute, close-encounters-of-the-Joni-kind stories from our Toronto representatives. But no . . . Oddly, there have been just a few posts here about the Toronto thing -- from Jimmy and Coyote Rick a couple of days ago, then Jody, and most recently, Mags. Plus a post last night from Kakki suggesting that we all might hear some amazing stories soon. (It didn't happen.) Makes me wonder about the incredible silence from some of the people who are there in Toronto with Joni, but still aren't telling us anything about what's going on. People like Ashara. And Sal. Polifka. And what about Epstein and the Ruby Slippers? Hmmmm . . . My guess is that some of our JMDLers have horribly embarrassed themselves in front of Joni, and they're just too ashamed to tell the rest of us exactly what's going on. Who knows what this crazy group may have done to warrant such strange silence about this special event? Between you and me, I wouldn't put it past any one of them to slap an inebriated arm around poor Kilauren and ask the nearest photographer to, "Get one of me and 'Little Green' here." They say that no news is good news, but in this case I just don't know. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 04:15:20 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: What ever happened to Toronto? Bob, You are a treasure...a living god! This is off-the-hook funny. You slay me. Really. Caught me peeking for reports in the middle of the night, too. Thanks for the comic relief... I'm watching this pot till it boils... :-) - -Julius > > My guess is that some of our JMDLers have horribly embarrassed themselves in > front of Joni, and they're just too ashamed to tell the rest of us exactly > what's going on. Who knows what this crazy group may have done to warrant > such strange silence about this special event? Between you and me, I wouldn't > put it past any one of them to slap an inebriated arm around poor Kilauren > and ask the nearest photographer to, "Get one of me and 'Little Green' here." > > They say that no news is good news, but in this case I just don't know. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:35:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and jazz << Can anybody suggest where I can find articles about Joni and Jazz music? >> Mario, Les has compiled an UNBELIEVABLE article database at JMDL.com Go there, and you can do a search for articles that mention Jaco, jazz, whatever you want to read about. And don't be ashamed about discovering Joni through the jazz link. What matters is that you did! ;~) Bob NP: Gregg Cagno, "Mingus Died In Mexico" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:37:54 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: in this moment She didnt sing...she just sat down and played....from her soul. It was most moving, truly, deeply so. Mags Wally Kairuz wrote: > magsie, > what did joni sing when she played the piano? - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:36:29 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: in this moment Mags wrote, re Toronto "if only I could take you there...let me try....... imagine......." You could. You did. It worked. I did. Beautiful post. Thank you. Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:05:38 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni does NOT like Alanis I remember years ago Alanis was crying because Joni made a stinging comment about her music. Though I don't think Joni wanted to especially single Alanis out.Joni does not admire those young women who have a tenth of her talent. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:20:50 -0400 From: Mags Subject: she lays her hands down she lays her hands down upon keys long forgotten chords come to life oh she comes to life, to my life and yours she brings me back to that life i see my self in a tiny room in the far corners of a church in st catharines listen wait for the phone to ring hear the desperate lonely voices call out to me lean on me for comfort listen i have the local fm radio station on i hear the voice of an angel singing down to you down to me i am totally captivated by her and when the song is done i call terry williams and ask who is she after that i hang up the phone overwhelmed and again she comes to me there in that tiny space into all the spaces of emptiness her voice fills me i am no longer alone ever again later that year i become pregnant a jezebel living in isolation she comes to me again that voice comes to me in shades of little green reminding me once again she's sad she's sorry she's not she's not ashamed little green happy to the end on the stage in front of me in the distance i see visions long fingers she lays her hands down upon the keys when did you hear her first when did her voice touch your heart and soothe the loneliness inside of you what pain did she take away from you she does not sing this time instead the notes soar up into the air into the spaces once again filling lonely spaces inside each and every one of us we cry together we are touched by her full of grace - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:40:57 -0500 From: Kate Subject: Pamela Wallin's latest book Hi all, I am very much enjoying the reports of Joni receiving her star on the Canadian Walk of Fame and her recent performance that some of you lucky folk attended. I hope this will not be redundant, that there are some of you who have not seen or heard of EVERY appearance Joni has ever made. I work in a newspaper newsroom in St. Albert, Alberta. Publishers send books to be reviewed, so when Pamela Wallin's most recent one came in I naturally checked it out immediately, as Pamela, a TV journalist and broadcaster, well known across Canada, also hails from Saskatchewan, from a little town very near my own hometown. I have never met her, but I still feel a pride in her accomplishments and am happy to see that she never fails to acknowledge her roots in the province we both call home. In the province of Saskatchewan, there are many tiny farming communities spread out across the southern and central areas of the province, and in the centre of each --say-- 50-mile radius, is a hub, a larger town that the denizens of the smaller ones travel to regularly because there are more services there, more shopping, etc. I come from Margo, a town with about 150 people now, mostly seniors, and with no school anymore, but it has a Co-op store and a Post Office, a bar, a little cafe (my sister runs it two days a week), a service station, a seniors' centre, and sadly, no more grain elevator. It is a dying village. My sister, grandmother, uncles, cousins, nieces still live there, and I wish I could, too. It's home. Pamela comes from Wadena, the town at the hub, which is a 20-minute drive from Margo. To drive there is a regular occurence and of course everybody knows everybody or SOMEbody in their family or has at least HEARD their family name! It's a small world. So anyway, I grabbed the book and went straight to the index to see if Joni is there. Of course she is -- several times. Pamela has interviewed people from all over the world, and any celebrity who tours Canada is almost certain to make him or herself available to be interviewed by Pamela. This book, "Speaking of Success -- Collected Wisdom, Insights and Reflections," is a collection of things, said by people she interviewed, that struck Pamela as meaningful in some way. So here I offer you the Joni tidbits. p.26: "Many of my generation, and the twenty- and thirty-somethings too, have tried to re-create -- or perhaps create for the first time -- that sense of belonging. The workplace and our circle of friends can often substitute for old-fashioned ideas of family and community that were missing or that we have often reluctantly left behind. Singer, songwriter, poet and painter Joni Mitchell, an only child, said this: 'My sense of family is that I have chosen it along the way. I have many brothers - blood brothers but not genetic brothers. Family is the heart.' " p.100: "Joni Mitchell is considered the single most influential woman in pop music -- a fine musician and a poetic lyricist with a velvety voice deepened by time and smoke. When I talked with the living legend -- poolside in Los Angeles -- she gave credit to one potent mentor: 'I had an extraordinary teacher -- a maker of writers and a maker of athletes and a stirrer up of spirit. He knew how to make you wild and put the lid on you. He told me to "write in my own blood." He told me this at the age of eleven.' And so she did. She opened up her mind to see what was there. 'What things are you going to write about?' she asked. 'Things that are on your mind or on your heart.' Physical surroundings can also stir the soul and expand horizons. Mitchell, the songstress of Saskatchewan, believes small towns and miles of prairie ignited her curiosity about the world: 'Every morning the train would blow its whistle as it entered the bend before the town of Maidstone ... We lived out on the highway. Traffic then was pretty sparse, but the train came every day, and there were buses going by and the occasional car. But the coming and going of things -- to sit next to that hard ocean, so to speak, and see things coming and going -- inflamed my curiosity as a child. "Where are they going?" And so I used to hear the whistle blow at the curve and run to the window, see that puff of smoke, and I'd wave at the conductor.' " p.135: "Joni Mitchell discovered she had polio at the age of nine; this was, unfortunately, just before the Salk vaccine was discovered. Soon she was paralyzed and was placed in what she described as a 'terrifying' hospital for victims of the crippling disease. She still shudders as she recalls the sound of the pumping of the iron lungs. Joni was told she might never walk again. Although she did survive it all, she gave up running and playing sports and took up dance. 'I celebrated my legs,' she said, 'but I turned to grace instead of speed.' The experience was powerful - 'Every time you rise up from some near-death encounter, you come back stronger and hopefully more full of life. It either makes you or breaks you.' " p.178: "In order not to offend, we must be careful about our choice of words, but it's also true that political correctness has silenced many, making people afraid to say or do what they mean. Joni Mitchell was an exception. She sat chain-smoking throughout our interview, and when I asked her if she wanted to offer the viewers a disclaimer, she turned to the camera and said 'For all children watching this, don't ever do it. For all adults, mind your own business.' Then she smiled, having made her point." p.213: Joni: "I think about what kind of old lady I will be. I'm going to go lame eventually. I've got a collection of canes ready and I'm going to poke people with them." That's all folks! I am looking forward to getting Karen O'Brien's biography of Joni into my hot little hands one day -- something nice to look forward to. Yesterday I emptied the last glass of water -- I have refilled four each day, one for each jet crash, in memory of those who died and those who will grieve for and remember them -- it is a ritual I have stolen from the Greek Orthodox church and adapted according to my own needs. When someone dies, they put out a glass of water each day for 40 days, for the spirit of the deceased to come and drink from before they leave the earthly plane. Yesterday I emptied the last one for the last time and lit a pure beeswax candle made by a dear friend. It will burn constantly -- when I'm home -- until it is gone. Kate du Nord ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:44:09 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: she lays her hands down Thanks Mags for your beautiful poem and the reports too. I'm so happy that you finally got to see Joni. much love, Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:33:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pamela Wallin's latest book Kate, Thanks so much for the transcriptions, I appreciate the effort and enjoyed the excerpts very much. Especially the part about Joni & her canes! I would pay good money to have Joni poke at me with an assortment of canes! Makes being "caned" sound like not such a bad thing :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:29:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: joni question I'm forwarding this for my friend Melanie. I know people have discussed Joni's quirky time signatures. Any speculations about Turbulent Indigo? Mark E. forwarded question: OK, I'm not a musical dolt or anything, but Joni has bested me for several years now and I'm not too proud too admit it. Has the joni list ever talked about the time signature(s) in the song Turbulent Indigo? What the heck is it? It shifts, or I'm imagining things. It seems like it floats between 4/4, sometimes 2/4, sometimes 3/4.... is it 4/4 with a 5/4 measure or two thrown in there every now and then to throw off our expectations? This has always bothered me, I've always thought one of these days I'm going to sit down and really pay attention and count and write it down, but... that just seems so... anal retentive... and yet... I would like to know.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can observe a lot by watching. -- Yogi Berra ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:15:45 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine I just heard from Kakki who is away from her computer this afternoon but wanted to pass on word to everyone who may be interested and able to obtain a copy of today's (Oct. 21) Los Angeles Times. Two of Joni's recent paintings depicting events of September 11 are reproduced in the Sunday Times' magazine section. Accompanied by an article by Robert Hilburn titled "What Are The Odds of Reviving the Passion?" are a painting by Joni showing the two World Trade Center towers, and another view from out the back window of her home. According to Kakki, the paintings are done in Joni's impressionistic style and are quite dramatic. If your local newsstand carries the Sunday L.A. Times you might want to check it out, otherwise, Kakki will try to get the paintings scanned and will post a link at a later date. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:02:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine Would someone be willing to pick up an original copy of this up for me............please????????? Hugs, Ashara {getting ready to type up her review of Friday night} :-D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:08:02 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: DCC 24 kt gold Court & Spark Today we were out shopping & I found a 24 kt gold DCC cd of 'Court & Spark' at Circuit City for $20.99. C&S was my very first Joni Mitchell record and is probably still my favorite. So after debating with myself, I finally decided to buy it (I also picked up RLJ's 'It's Like This'). We came home & Travis started preparation of a pot roast in the kitchen. I went to the living room and couldn't resist popping C&S into the player with the intention of listening to one or two songs, just to see how it sounded. I ended up sitting down & listening to the whole cd, absorbing just about every note as it played. I'm not an audiophile but I've always felt that the first pressing of this particular record that I bought on cd did not sound as good as it should have. My memories of first getting acquainted with this record have accorded it a near mythical status among the many records I bought & came to love during my college years. In a lot of ways it was the ultimate discovery for me, more so than 'Sgt Pepper's' or any other record. I had never heard anything like it before. When Edward & I first bought a cd player, somewhere around 1985, I made a vow that 'C&S' would be the first cd I would buy. But somehow, the experience was just never the same as hearing that vinyl record back in '73 or '74. Later I bought the HDCD version. It still didn't do it for me. Today I think I finally was able to relive that 'goose bump experience'. The beauty of this record came so clearly through those speakers today and it made me remember how much I love it from beginning to end. Maybe 'Hejira' has more depth. Maybe 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' and 'DJRD' are more musically adventurous. Maybe 'Night Ride Home' and 'Turbulent Indigo' are more mature works. But for me, 'Court and Spark' has a perfection and beauty to it that still takes my breath away. I think it was a major mile post in Joni's career. She had definitely shed the 'folk singer' image with this one & was on her way to destinations uncharted & unknown at the time. So JMDL audiophiles! I want to know what your opinions are of the gold DCC 'Court & Spark'. Did I get a good deal? Or would you have put the cd back in the bin & walked away? After listening to it this afternoon, I don't have any regrets but I am interested in the opinions of those who know more about what to listen for than I do. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:28:23 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: JONI-in the LA Times Hey if your interested in purchasing the newspaper. I just found out that Barnes and Nobles carries the LA Times and they get Sundays issue on Monday. If you have Barnes and Nobles in your area that is. Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:30:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DCC 24 kt gold Court & Spark << Maybe 'Hejira' has more depth. Maybe 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' and 'DJRD' are more musically adventurous. Maybe 'Night Ride Home' and 'Turbulent Indigo' are more mature works. But for me, 'Court and Spark' has a perfection and beauty to it that still takes my breath away. >> You're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned, Mark...the "sound" of C&S certainly stood out at the time, and even after all these years, still takes my breath away with it's sonic values. I have the el-cheapo CD version, and would happily spring $20.99 for that gold CD. I'll say you got a nice deal. Be sure and comment on that new RLJ too, after you get over that C&S! ;~) An interesting C&S related note: I just got and listened to a 1973 record by a Swedish folksinger named Turid. She does a Swedish language/piano version of I Had A King, and while it's very pretty I noticed a STRONG similarity to the piano line that Joni employs in the title track of C&S. Hmmmmm.... Bob NP: Kevin Gilbert, "Fun" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:32:01 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine I'm exhausted after having a very long day selling my art at a show today. I came in to check email and saw Scott's post. I immediately called the closest grocery store to see if they had any newspapers left. They had a couple so I asked the girl on the phone to please hold one for Phyliss, and I'll be there in 10 minutes. I get there and ask for the paper and she (looked to be a teenager) asks me if there is something special in it. I said yes, my artistic idol of sorts has some of her new paintings in it that I wanted to see. She asked who and I told her Joni Mitchell, not expecting any acknowledgement of course but to my surprise she says "really? I'd like to see that too! As I'm leaving she is picking up the other copy to peruse.... Interesting. Maybe it's that pumped in muzak playing Edith and the Kingpin all the time or something... Anyhoo, it took me a little while to find it but the article is only 2 half pages long and doesn't mention Joni at all. It is however about one of this list's favorite topics, the state of pop music and the lack of quality therein. On one side of each of the 2 pages is a skinny reproduction of two of Joni's paintings and the caption says: **** " I laid {my photos} out, two of a kind, and I was just playing around with the images absent-mindedly when I realized that by putting them edge to edge that a repetitive pattern occurred. So I started this series of paintings which I call 'Repetism.' They represent the fact that the world on Sept. 11 turned upside down _Musician Joni Mitchell, explaining her images of the World Trade Center in flames and the comforting view from her bedroom window. **** In the first painting the upper section of the World Trade Center Towers is depicted, one smoking, the other flaming. In the smoke, the somewhat ghostly face of a human can be discerned, as if seeing a face in the clouds. In the flaming section, although less clear, I see a devilish face. very powerful. The bottom half looks like a mirror image of the top. The other painting is very serene, lots of flowers, a blooming tree with a bench under it, and at the bottom a hand holding a book with a red cross symbol and the work "news". This one is also divided in half with a mirror image. Scott Price wrote: > I just heard from Kakki who is away from her computer this afternoon but > wanted to pass on word to everyone who may be interested and able to obtain > a copy of today's (Oct. 21) Los Angeles Times. Two of Joni's recent > paintings depicting events of September 11 are reproduced in the Sunday > Times' magazine section. Accompanied by an article by Robert Hilburn titled > "What Are The Odds of Reviving the Passion?" are a painting by Joni showing > the two World Trade Center towers, and another view from out the back > window of her home. According to Kakki, the paintings are done in Joni's > impressionistic style and are quite dramatic. > > If your local newsstand carries the Sunday L.A. Times you might want to > check it out, otherwise, Kakki will try to get the paintings scanned and > will post a link at a later date. > > Scott - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:33:18 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times In a message dated 10/21/01 9:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kammass@aol.com writes: > Hey if your interested in purchasing the newspaper. I just found out that > Barnes and Nobles carries the LA Times and they get Sundays issue on > Monday. > If you have Barnes and Nobles in your area that is. > Kammy > I read the Hilburn article online at the LA Times site, and while it is an interesting read from Hilburn, there is NO mention of Joni in the article. I thought I'd save some of you Joni fanatics some time, if all you sere looking for was a mention of Ms. Mitchell in the article. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:39:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Last Call for Anne Hi all, just a quick note to say that I'll be closing out Anne's CD and mailing it to her on Tuesday. So you've got til Monday night to get a message to her (through me.) You can call me at 864-233-7584, at your convenience. ANY TIME!! The ringer is off so I won't hear the ringing. If you've sent or left a message and want to be sure I have yours, feel free to ask me. Bob NP: Kevin Gilbert, "Ghetto of Beautiful Things" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:00:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times Geez Paul it was never about an article - it was about her Sept. 11th paintings being featured with the article. I see the LA Times online does not show the paintings. I'm scanning them now and will have a link to them shortly. Kakki > I read the Hilburn article online at the LA Times site, and while it is an interesting read from Hilburn, there is NO mention of Joni in the article. > I thought I'd save some of you Joni fanatics some time, if all you sere > looking for was a mention of Ms. Mitchell in the article. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:08:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times In a message dated 10/21/01 10:03:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > . I see the LA Times online does > not show the paintings. I'm scanning them now and will have a link to them > shortly. Kakki > > Kakki Bless your sweet heart. I'm at the LA times official site right now, but they don't show the paintings online;~) I was told by a fellow NJ Joni buddy, that Borders carries the LA times as well. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:52:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes I've put a link to the paintings below. I have to say that I was very impressed by them, more than I expected to be. You have to look at them a bit to really see everything. There is a face of tragedy in the smoke coming from WTC 1 and a face very similar to Bin Laden (look for the turban) in the fire coming out of WTC 2. The painting from her bedroom is very dreamlike and the book looked to me to be like a bible, but with a Red Cross and the title "NEWS" on the cover. Very interesting. She always amazes me at how prolific she can be (short turnaround time between event, inspiration and creation). She told Stephen and I that she did these paintings right after Sept. 11th. They are very well done. I'm sorry my scan job isn't so great and you might notice that one of them ripped as I was putting it through the scanner! I hope you all can get a copy of this - it is well worth it. To hopefully clarify why there may not have been commentary from Joni in the Hilburn article - his article is one of several written by the LA Times various critics in Drama, Dance, Art, Film, Theater, Television, Architecture, Classical Music and Pop Music. All of those articles are accompanied by art work in various media done by local LA artists. They don't really "go" with the articles, except to be other expressions of Sept. 11th. Would love to hear more from Joni on the subject in an interview soon. I hear she did talk about this at the Toronto tribute, so hopefully our roving (and missing) reporters will fill us in soon ;-) Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1481388&a=13900367 If you use AOL, use this link to see the photos. Click here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:04:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine Phyliss, I'm so glad you caught the notice (thanks Scott!) and got a copy! I had to drive around to get a few extra copies myself and bought out a mini-mart's last 5 for people who had asked me to pick them up previously. The guy at the store looked at me quizzically as I was just pulling only the magazines out and handing him back the fat papers. He said "did you write an article or something?" I said "noo, an artist I really like has some paintings in here." ;-) Thanks for including Joni's caption (below) " I laid {my photos} out, two of a kind, and I was just playing around with the images absent-mindedly when I realized that by putting them edge to edge that a repetitive pattern occurred. So I started this series of paintings which I call 'Repetism.' They represent the fact that the world on Sept. 11 turned upside down." Musician Joni Mitchell, explaining her images of the World Trade Center in flames and the comforting view from her bedroom window. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:37:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes They are very well done. I'm sorry my scan job isn't so great > and you might notice that one of them ripped as I was putting it through the > scanner! I hope you all can get a copy of this - it is well > worth it. Kakki, Thanks for the alert! After trying both Borders and Barnes and Noble and finding that they don't carry it, I called Joe Muggs Newstand in Atlanta who carries most major cities and they agreed to hold one for me tomorrow when they come in. Now I just have to figure out how to get down there to pick it up in the next two days. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:28:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: for Anne and you all I just returned from a weekend in the Twin Cities, need to go for church business, had to do some bishop things, and last Friday night had dinner with a family that had a home worship/family gathering, three generations, everyone very involved, and it was very meaningful to be a part of that loving and singing family, and we had these songbooks that were made maybe 10-20 years ago and a lot of Christian folk songs and camp songs and such and the family plans on about an hour or so of family singing every Friday night - and lo and behold! there as one secular song in the songbook, one non religious song, so of course I had to request it: Both Sides Now and while we sang it, I thought especially of Anne and of Ashara and of so many others here as I could name names in my silent prayers, and I prayed for all of you, because to sing a Joni song when I am far away from home reminds me of the community, the family, that we have here - I remember Terry playing and everyone especially Yael singing in Birmingham for Joni Pine Knob 2000 and maybe that made this sing along last Friday remind me of you all - so anyway I was thinking of you, I sang for you, and the vibe of that moment told me that everything is going to be just fine for Anne - if I weren't so tired I would have written this better (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:34:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 (LONG!!) This review took AGES, because, as many of you know, I can't type to save my life, but I hope you enjoy this description of our night. I wish you could have ALL been there with us!! Hugs, Ashara - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We arrived at the Liberty Grand, a large stately building,to see a very large banner in front announcing what was in store for us thatevening: An Homage to Joni Mitchell as part of the 6-week long World LeadersFestival. The evening began with cocktails, and Joni made a short appearanceduring the hour. Then a wonderful sit down dinner of Elderflower Cured AtlanticSalmon, Pecan Crusted Yukon Caribou with Saskatoon Berries, Goat Cheese andButternut Squash, and a delicious White Chocolate Cheesecake with BlueberryCassis Sauce. Executive Chef, Anthony Walsh from Canoe Restaurant and Barwanted to capture the brilliance of this country through the flavors andtextures of regional cuisine. He even had a substitute for this vegetariandiner! As we made our way into the theater, it quickly becameapparent that this would be a very interesting venue, with the stage in thecenter and seats to either side of it. Not a traditional theater nor theater inthe round, it would be curious to see how this would work for the audience. The darkened stage started to glow a soft blue as Both SidesNow was played by the band, which consisted of a piano player, a cellist, andtwo other musicians that were playing Indian type drums, bells, and axylophone. Brent Carver, Ann Marie McDonald, and Rebecca Jenkins came out toguide the audience through a multi-sensory evening consisting of liveperformances, media clips, and special presentations by many of Jonibs friendsand influences. Brent painted the scene with a narrative of Joan Andersonbsearly life on the prairie, while the cellist accompanied him with a softversion of Both Sides Now underneath, and the two large monitors above wentthrough a slide show of Joan as a young girl. Of course, he mentions a hugeinfluence of Joanbs, Mr. Kratzman, who told her, bIf you can paint with abrush, you can paint with words.b Next, Brent sang a beautiful version of Nightin the City. More anecdotal stories, such as her Grade 4 report cardsaying, bOriginal ideas with a gift of interpretation.b And another Mr.Kratzman piece of advice, to bwrite in your own blood.b This was followed byseveral of Jonibs poems including bThe Fishbowlb and bI Am a Guitar.b Whilelistening to these poems, we were treated to a slide show of many of Jonibs earlyfelt-tip pen drawings on the monitors, including many that are in the bookbStar Art.b Gordon Lightfoot was next invited to the stage to talk aboutthe early days, when Joni was first getting started in the music business. Hebrought us back to Detroit in 1965, when Joan and Chuck Mitchell were playingat the Chess Mate. He reminisced about being invited up to their apartment, andhaving to walk up 5 flights of stairs carrying guitars. He knew even then thatshe was a quality songwriter. He also talked about the Beatles coming onto thescene, and how every time they each had a new album to promote, there was a newBeatles album on the shelf next to theirs. He ended with how happy he was to bethere and how he hadnbt seen her since 1976. Then off the stage he went toreceive a hug from the honoree. Joel Bernstein was next to honor Joni, in his bdisembodiedvoice.b Pictures of Joel and Joni on the monitor gave way to pictures that hehad taken of her over the course of knowing Joni as her friend, photographer,and music transcriber for over 30 years. He explained the difference betweenstandard tuning and open tuning. He said, bWhen the young Joni Mitchell wasfirst introduced to these open tunings, she coaxed some very different soundsfrom the guitar strings.b He went on to say, bAnd one day long ago, whileretuning her guitar from one open tuning to another, she stopped someplace inbetween and listened. bOoooob&b&.delicious!!b thought Joni. bI think Ibll stayhere a while and explore.b And so she did, coming up with both a new andoriginal tuning that wasnbt standard or open and the new and original chords toplay in it. This was the musical equivalent of Alice opening the little doorand glimpsing an entirely new world beyond. From that day to this, Jonibscuriosity, sense of adventure, and unique sense of what composers call btonecolorb have resulted in her own very personal discovery and deep exploration ofliterally dozens of these new worlds.b Joel mentions that he is currently completing aproject of many years- a 2-Volume set of arrangements of every one of Jonibsreleased songs, complete with carefully transcribed tunings and chords foreach. Hoping to be released next year, he says it will provide a bdetailed mapof where she has traveled musically over the years.b He says he hopes it willinspire others to explore her songs and finishes with, bBut you know what? Evenwith the book, when it comes to playing Joni Mitchell songs, nobody can do itlike bThe Mitchb herself.b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:35:21 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 2 Next, the three performers introduced bThe Mitchell Effect.bNoting that Joni has been covered by more recording artists than any singlecomposer, with the exception of Mozart, we were treated to impromptubinterviewsb of people on the street, including song clips of everyday peoplesinging the lyrics to Jonibs songs. It was really fun and good placing in theprogram. That was segued into Rebecca Jenkins singing Blue, with an honest andheartfelt interpretation of the song. Next we looked again to the monitors where Angelica Hustonand Jonibs best friend, Charles Valentino, were expounding on Jonibs virtues.Angelica said that she is bone of those people who makes you happy to be alivebecause you feel like shebs always taking a big bite out of life.b Charles saidto Joni how much she deserved this honor, and that he and Angelica were goingto have a dance in her honor. In the introduction to his next song, Brent says,bMichaelb&Willyb&Richardb&Careyb& Beautiful, beautiful Marcieb&Cherokee Louiseb&Ronb&Chikieb&LeadFoot Melvin. With every one of these people, Joni Mitchell seems to havereintroduced us to some part of ourselves. And in the brevity of one song, shepaints an entire life...like that.b As he sang Shadows and Light, Hejira wassomehow sandwiched between the beginning and end in a fluid, mellifluous way. Moving forward in Jonibs career, the next subject was aboutcharting new territories. Herbie Hancock was now on the monitor, talking abouthow he bhappenedb onto the Mingus album. He wasnbt originally scheduled to beon it, but His friend, Jaco Pastorius, called him and said they were in thestudio, and invited him to play. From that point on, he and Joni becamefriends. He says about Joni, b Her normal mode of conversation is so graphicand full of symbolism, just like her poetry. She speaks poetically.b WayneShorter was on the monitor next, saying that she is a person who was willing totake chances, one of the few who were willing to put her career on the line.And by doing so, she proceeded to bbreak sound barriers.b Rebecca Jenkins came forward to sing a really lovely versionof bTwo Grey Rooms.b Following that were humorous anecdotes, including the factthat Joni Mitchell has been the answer to 42 Across in the New York TimesCrossword Puzzle, and her lyrics have stumped a contestant on Who Wants to be aMillionaire. Stating that Joni Mitchell is an bicon,b our eyes went back to themonitor for video clips of Joni references, including Chicago Hope, Youbve GotMail, Down to You, and Robert Downey singing River on Ally McBeal. Another sandwich follows of Brent singing Sunny Sunday,pausing long enough for Anne Marie to powerfully recite the lyrics to TheMagdalene Laundries, and Brent finishing with the remainder of Sunny Sunday. Itwas a very powerful combination, with perfect timing. Finally. We are introduced to the Lady of the Hour, JoniMitchell. She approaches the stage radiant in a two-piece Issy Miyake green andblue outfit. She is joined by Denise Donlan, the president of Sony Music,Canada. Before Joni can even sit down, she is rushed by Brent, Ann Marie andRebecca, each offering a pack of her favorite cigarettes, American Spirits. Allthat is left is a light from an audience member, and she comfortably settlesinto her chair next to Denise. When asked about her bcreative genius,b Jonisays she collects all kinds of ideas and stores them away, including a lot ofcinematic ideas and short stories. She added that they always seem to bsortthemselves out.b She said as a child, she wrote in rhyme. When she was upset, itgave her a structure to work things out. As far as painting, she says, bI used to carry a sketchbookeverywhere. Every time I sat down, I used to draw what was in front of me. Iused to sketch everything.b She did this while bgetting her craft together in acertain way.b Joni continues, bI would draw the people at my concert before Iwent on. They would have to take the pen away from me.b (So she could go onstage.) She says she has been approached several times to write asong for a movie, but she always ends up telling the whole movie, so they neveruse it. She calls herself a bmusical illiterate,b not knowing the blanguage,but she adds, ba sophisticated musical illiterate, kind of like an idiot savantof sorts.b She says she like to move around in keys, and gives bmetaphoricalinstructionb to her players. She gives an example: bFor instance, in TroubleChild, the piano player was just playing notes, and I told him to play aJapanese wave- it arcs up and then sucks down on itself. Whereas Wayne (Shorter)came to me the first time I played with him in London, he said, bItbs likeyoubre in Hyde Park, and therebs a nanny and a baby, and the baby has a boat,and the wind is nudging it- (she makes a sound-do, do, do), itbs nudging it,(do, do, do) Ibm going to play it like that.b (do, do, do.) and I just thought,bOh, I love this guy!bb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:37:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on Joni painting (Gee, it seems so weird not to njc tag tonight ;-) Regarding the turbaned head face appearing in the fire of WTC 2. There is actually an overlap of two men's faces in this depiction. It is more difficult to see in my scan, even when it is enlarged, but in the original it is very clear. Would be nice to see this one in person for more detail. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:42:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 3 On the question of how have your paintings changed since September 11th? Joni says, bThere were two wars in my life on September 11th. I broke up with my boyfriend. He complained that I repeat myself too much, and I bdob repeat myself too much. Especially now because Ibm writing my book, so Ibm writing a lot of my yarns in the oral tradition.b She said she took a lot of pictures with a paper camera on September 11th, and she saw a lot of figures in the smoke. She started painting what she called brepetism,b doing 5 double images. She said by painting, it helped her to become emotionally detached. Joni moved on by talking about her involvement with singing with an orchestra. She says when the orchestra starts to swell, itbs likebsurfing a pipeline,b and pushes out a certain kind of performance. She adds that since there are such dramatic intricacies to her songs, you have to be more of an actress to sing them. She just wanted to sing and bsustain one nice moodb which she could obtain by singing the standards, and she was hooked. Denise tried to wrap up the evening by saying there was only 10 minutes left, and would she show us an example of her creative process? Joni then asked the audience if we would like to hear her improvise at the piano, or sing with the practice tapes of the orchestral background of the new CDbs she is working on. Of course, everyone yelled, bBOTH,b and she was glad to oblige, although I think Denise was a little concerned of the late time. No one in the audience seemed quick to leave. We were more than content to stay as long as Joni would have us. She moved over to the piano, right where we were sitting, and it was truly a rare treat to witness her at the piano again. She improvised chords, much the way Paprika Plains was written, and we were spellbound. When she finished, she moved over to the stereo that was set up by her chair, and pushed a button. Joni explained that these were demo tapes, made by the orchestra for her to listen to at home. She said she often listens to them while walking around her house. The first strains of The CircleGame came through the speakers. I have to say that, for me, this is one song that I have heard too many times by too many people, and I was a little tired of it. But, when Joni opened her mouth to sing, it was fresh and new, and I listened to the words in a whole new light. She radiates beauty and her mature voice was perfect for this piece. Her whole being lights up when she sings, especially her own material. She bowns itb in a way that I find rare in singers. She has the ability to move through your soul when she sings, and speaks to you in her music as if she wrote the piece solely for you. She followed The Circle Game with Be Cool, a slowed down version of Borderline, taking a moment to explain that she had just received these tapes 6 days prior, as she kept looking to Larry (Klein) to help recognize which song it was, Cherokee Louise, Coyote, For the Roses, and ending with Slouching Towards Bethlehem. It was an incredible joy to watch her in the creative process. The evening came full circle as Mr. Kratzman, her 7th Grade teacher, came up on stage to present her with her World Leader award. We witnessed an intimate moment while Joni reconnected with the person she credits as being such a large influence in her life, the teacher who gave her an A-instead of an A+ on a piece of poetry that she thought was very good. When asked why another boy received an A+, Mr. Kratzman answered, bbecause that is the best poem he will ever write.b ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #328 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?